Vz-Hextrudort WaterCooled Prototype + Goliath Hotend.

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Жыл бұрын

In this one I am assembling the setup and putting it to the test. FYI, no it is not ready to sell, neither are the helical gears. I don't have a date yet. I want to fully test this guy first and beat it. I expect it to be ready in March 2023 maybe.
-We will have Vz-Hextrudort spare parts, helical gear sets, LOTS of Goliath with spare parts for worldwide, more Vz330 kits. 2023 things will flow better in terms of availability :)
Printers:
-full Vz235 printer kit: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dld...
-Full Vz330 printer kit: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkF...
Printer Parts:
- Waterpump kit I use here: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEt...
-240mm Radiator: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFO...
-120mm x2 fan: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEJ...
-Vz-HextrudORT watercooled : s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEZ...
-Goliath watercooled : s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DDP...
-Fly Super 8: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A8mOXD
-Drivers s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AFDBtp
- XY Motors: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9iN6y9
-Alu Water cooling blocks: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DlK...
-Fittings: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEV...
-water cooling kit: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dnc...
-48V PSU: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dcf...
-CPAP fan: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dmk...
-CPAP tube: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A9rUYd
(complete part list can be found on the BOM list on github link below)
-Eibos filament dryer: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dc7...
Full VzBoT Printer project: (BOM, cad, stl): github.com/VzBot3D/
CNC Parts on Mellow Store Aliexpress or f3d-racing-fdm.myshopify.com/
Visit Mellow Store for VzBoT parts: mellow.aliexpress.com/store/g...
Please join us on FB: / 4098868770205560
Disord: / discord
If you wish to support: ko-fi.com/vez3d

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@Nordern Жыл бұрын

Now that's a really cool idea! combining the extruder with the cooling block!

@JoshMurrah Жыл бұрын

Dude I’m SUPER impressed with your IS results - so nice!!

@fail_fast Жыл бұрын

It's incredible for a machine of this size, especially on the Y

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

yeah its pretty good. Though amplitude is a little higher than before.. but I think its due to the fact that I had nozzle brace before, and now there is none. But its still super stiff and quite amazing on the IS

@thomaswiley666 Жыл бұрын

I really love the simplicity of the connections and the slim form factor of the assembled unit.

@radicalphil1871 Жыл бұрын

FINALLY the solution! I've waited exactly for this to come for months. The rest were just sub-steps. Great work and eventually the only logical solution to all of it! Unfortunately I miss the time to build this myself. So I waited for you to do it.

@OfficialyMax Жыл бұрын

I am in awe and have so much feeling of jealousy on such a beast of a 3d printer. People like you are the future of 3d printer engineering. Oh and speed benchys :P

@XeroShifter Жыл бұрын

I literally bought the previous version for air cooling last night lol. Now I'm going to have to buy parts to replace. Such is the price of progress I guess. Great to see your passion never seems to wane. Honestly so excited to upgrade my printer. Its not a VZ or HevOrt (Ender 6), but I'll keep pushing it until I can afford to build one myself.

@MrJofArnold Жыл бұрын

Addictive isn't it? 😂

@johnmulligan9299 Жыл бұрын

Just found your channel. You have some awesome printers. I have been printing for just under a year and Im in love with it. I have an Ender 3 V2 and just got a Creality K1. Please keep the videos coming!

@everettebinger5956 Жыл бұрын

This is so freaking awesome!!

@witalijlewandowski2384 Жыл бұрын

How cool this thing is! I always though water cooling is good for only specific cases. And it's best example - shorter filament path, no moving parts for cooling on print head, temperature in chamber can be as high as anyone need - and nothing affects cooling quality.

@MihaiDesigns Жыл бұрын

Cool progress Vez!

@FlexMoePower Жыл бұрын

First 👊. Can't wait for production model. 😎

@T3chWarrior Жыл бұрын

Beautiful!

@MauriceMischo Жыл бұрын

Awesome design 💪💪

@randomdamian Жыл бұрын

You know it's a good day when you see a new VEZ video :D

@bob_mosavo Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Vez 😁

@ColtonOnushko Жыл бұрын

watching this video then doing something on my ender 3 is hilarious. It's mindblowing how quick this thing is

@HelgeKeck Жыл бұрын

very stylish setup

@Andi-Maringer Жыл бұрын

Realy awesome job!!!! I run Vorons and RatRigs. But i think a vzbot is one of the next!!!!!!

@skydragon1966 Жыл бұрын

badass

@twanheijkoop6753 Жыл бұрын

Just received my vzhextrudortlow a few days ago, probably gonna pick up the helical gears and reverse Bowden adapter.

@Dave-wv9vc Жыл бұрын

Vez you're iterating so fast my wallet can barely keep up!

@Psych0h3ad Жыл бұрын

Niceeee!

@_Xantras_ Жыл бұрын

The aluminum carriage doesn't even seem hot at all, damn

@ehrans2 Жыл бұрын

Awesome rig bro!, Have you any detailed video explaining how do you attach the input shaper probe to the nozzle itself? Is mind blowing

@jzagaja Жыл бұрын

Simon - artist and engineer at once 🙂Gentlemant please make mounting for bed slingers like Kobra Max.

@bdykes7316 Жыл бұрын

Have you measured the static vertical stiffness of the printhead? High extrusion rates might produce enough force to slightly lift the nozzle up.

@simonbrandeis Жыл бұрын

Wow, I'm amazed of your work on this special printer. I'm currently waiting for the Parts to arrive for my Vz330 build. What Filament are you use, whitch you mentioned in the end? Whitch Brand and Type? I'm thinking of printing the Parts for the VzBot with that. Thank You.

@pmcquay1 Жыл бұрын

tapped nozzle for measuring resonance?! My mind is blown! Never thought of that but it makes so much sense.

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

yep

@DubMassTV Жыл бұрын

@@Vez3D Any chance you could do a guide on how to set up that nozzle mount? Struggling to find a place to mount the accelerometer on my stock Tronxy X5SA carriage. (slowly working toward converting it to vzbot)

@SinaShahsana Жыл бұрын

you can offer 1 ptfe tubing holder for 3mm and people who have moon motor can put 0.5 mm washer in the Gap, you can even add the washer in kit. that is way easier.

@DMonZ1988 Жыл бұрын

hey Vez, this thing is stunning! what a beauty. unfortunately aliexpress has stopped shipping to austria recently. could you let us know when you have stock at one of your EU vendors please?

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

yeah it should be soon this week Im re-organizing with Mellow and distributors

@jeejeeism 13 күн бұрын

Hi! Such Cool builds You got, keep it coming! I've beingn swirling some grazy idea to have watercooled CoreXY build out of my CE5P with VZ heads and tool changer. So there'd be cooled toolrack for like some 5 heads and one cooling circulation in carrier to avoid some complexity of tubing if those heads needed their own tubing each. There's still whole lotta iteration with it like controlling and progr etc but just wanted to hear some sophisticated opinion of Yours about the question of 4:01 @ the vid and could that fixing be able to be implemented around that heatbreak, i'd liked to state that is possible, what You think?

@manray8513 Жыл бұрын

i hope they will be available on mellow

@jerodernst6706 Жыл бұрын

So im probably just lost, but is there a place i chould buy this whole setup? And also how does it do printing PA12-CF, so i guess what would the top temp be to operate at safe. But also dangggg, that is moving and looks damn solid. Love it

@hakkaisha Жыл бұрын

Looks awesome! You are pushing the bounderies och what can be done with aluminium and 3d printing! Is this a solution to the patent?

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

Yes, it is

@tombo7719 Жыл бұрын

New subscriber, that thing is a BEAST! What filament were you using if u dont mind?

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

ABS CF

@tombo7719 Жыл бұрын

@@Vez3D interesting.. what are you setting the cooling at? I have always shut fan off on ABS, interested to see what you say

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

@@tombo7719 30% cpap.

@tombo7719 Жыл бұрын

@@Vez3D THANKS! I WILL TRY IT OUT SEE IF IT HELPS!

@strictnonconformist7369 Жыл бұрын

To boldly go where no one has gone beore! Missing a letter in your graph labels ;)

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

Oops.. thanks haha. Too late though

@MrKRSO Жыл бұрын

Any chance of making a replacement helical gear like this for the QR extruder also? With 8mm bore..

@Lux158 Жыл бұрын

Really nice! I just thought a bit and.. did you use FEM(or other) to simulate the loads, maybe you could even remove more material :D A while ago I saw a ultralight Voron Rail (I think it was the x-axis) where the the original tube was basically completely milled away.. :D But i also assume the extra load from 20m/s needs a bit "more" than a simple axis.. :D

@Lux158 Жыл бұрын

Also an addition, since I need to sell a kidney anyway (hopefully you understand the joke :D ), why didn't you use titan, then you might be able to get even smaller maintaining the same strength.. :)

@MrJofArnold Жыл бұрын

Just imagine an all titanium VzBot! 🤤

@rafsh1846 Жыл бұрын

Can you please share that low profile part cooling duct

@kalashin1529 Жыл бұрын

would be interesting, to see how much °C the Water of the cooling increased :) nice video, nice idea, nice guy!

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

I can tell you.. only by 2-3c

@bigwendigo2253 Жыл бұрын

What size nozzle are you using for your .24 layer height? 0.4? This is so awesome man. I’m too poor to afford a lot of these components so I’ve got my trusty V1 Ender 3 Pro that I’ve been upgrading piece by piece. Linear rails are the next major upgrade I want to do. I also really want to get a second printer so I can still print while it’s under construction.

@ballbous Жыл бұрын

Why not dial in your ender 3 to be reliable then get a tronxy X5S and start slowly working towards a vzbot? You can definitely do it with little upfront investment, upgrade as you go is a lot more fun imo too.

@BigfootPrinting Жыл бұрын

Zirconia through the entire melt zone is going to be a problem I think. Especially if using a tungsten carbide nozzle that mates to it. Those ceramics are not going to give at all and things may shatter when heated. Also, may I suggest checking out the libra mini gears? They have both sides helical so that the thrust in a configuration like yours is negated. Otherwise maybe consider thrust bearings for the gears.

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

hehe I know about those dual helical gears.. since.. I worked on this with Mellow and I have one version of the Vz-Hextrudort that uses those gears. BUT its just way too expensive to make so we dont make them anymore. As for Zirconia, maybe I said it wrong, but I didnt mean all the way through the entire melt zone.. I meant all the way though the heatbreak. But after discussions with good engineers , the current design will last long even with several spools of CF abuse.. but it will eventually need to be replaced. But we will have replacement. And maybe have a full Ti one option

@BigfootPrinting Жыл бұрын

@@Vez3D I print mainly GF nylon so I’d want the titanium option definitely. mellow isn’t making any more of the dual gears anymore you’re saying? Or that it was too much cost for this particular extruder?

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

@@BigfootPrinting no more dual helical. As for the heatbreak.. will check to make a Ti option

@ralmslb 4 ай бұрын

I think I'm buying this extruder (WC version) and adapt it somehow to another heat block (not a fan of the extremely long Goliath). Is the heat break thread the same as like a E3D V6? Is there a CAD version of the water cooled version ? Thank you

@SoundShunter72 Жыл бұрын

I thought the red fitting was intentional, to fit with the theme. Looks good imo.

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

not everyone likes red :) black is a fit for all :)

@zacoten.f.6700 Жыл бұрын

Good day ! Is it possible to use FYSETC CNC machined gantry for voron 2.4 in VZBot, or carbon fiber square 20х20 tube is prefarable ?

@MrOrangeman18 Жыл бұрын

nice one. looking smart. BTW is this cube downloadable anywhere? thanks

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

Yes in github.com vzbot3d github.com/VzBoT3D/VzBoT-Vz330/blob/master/Assemblies%20BOM%20and%20STL/Print%20Test/VzCube.stl

@TheEpicknives Жыл бұрын

Hot dang, what are the specs for this printer so far? I bought a kobra max recently and have been looking sadly at all the people doing lightning fast fdm prints. The feeling was only offset by seeing how small the fact printers were...until I saw the mk2 ones that looked almost tge same size

@rmfberry261 Жыл бұрын

That y acceleration change seems pretty crazy! has the goliath always been 3 posts or is this a change to try and sell in the US? is this printer really this quiet? Seems like whenever i hear a voron it sounds like its going to shake itself appart

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

Always been 3 posts between core and heatsink

@PinGuiNPL Жыл бұрын

Hi! Which Filament is it? Aaaand any chance to get your Slicer Profiles? Would love to compare them to mine

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

Its mentioned in the video...abs cf. My slicer settings are on github

@johndamigos3833 Жыл бұрын

I have an issue with the cooling, i have exactly that configuration and when i am printing abs/asa with the enclosure (260 hotend) after some time i can't touch the extruder, is to hot!

@Andy-1094 Жыл бұрын

Is there a thrust washer for the helical gear set? There will be an axial load applied switching from spur to helical.

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

there is none. and yes there is probably a axial load applied, but i dont think its significant enough to over come the filament+twirl grove force.

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

I have done some artifact test to see if it would cause issues with the axial load pushing gears forward.. but I didnt see any issue so far. Test continues.

@Andy-1094 Жыл бұрын

That’s great to hear. I was thinking it’s possible the filament might be taking up the axial load because of the grooved cup feature pushing the filament in. The transferred load axially should not be enough pressure applied to really harm anything anyway. I guess just watch out for any galling you see in your tests. Steel to aluminum will definitely do that over time.

@imforpeace9511 Жыл бұрын

You've mentioned that you used 0.55mm width whilst using the 0.5mm nozzle. Are you doing this to form pressure outwards from the original nozzle diameter, and if so, how does that affect the prints?

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

You normally set your width a bit wider than nozzle

@TrippyRiddimKid Жыл бұрын

And here I am cheering on my ender 3 to do 2500 accel and 120mm/sec. I need a corexy...

@daliasprints9798 Жыл бұрын

Klipperized E3 with per axis limits patch can do 6-8k on X on outer perimeters, 80k X and 20k Y elsewhere.

@BigfootPrinting Жыл бұрын

@@daliasprints9798 where is that per axis accel patch located?

@daliasprints9798 Жыл бұрын

@@BigfootPrinting "Limited Cartesian" is the key phrase. It adds a new kinematics module that's a variant on normal cartesian with the per axis limits.

@HReality Жыл бұрын

I’m trying to find a complete assembly/setup video of the head with water cooling and it’s pump/wiring etc. can you point me in a direction?

@michail1963 Ай бұрын

when purchasing the Hextrudort set, I need to purchase the Moon motor, adaptor plate and new copper zirconium tube separately right? And where can I find the CNC PTFE tube holder? And do I get the Goliath nozzle and hot end in Mellow 330 AWD kit from the start? sorry but description on Aliexpress is not the best or I suck at finding things.

@Vez3D Ай бұрын

The new hextdudort plus has built-in ptfe holder

@michail1963 Ай бұрын

@@Vez3D Thanks. Your comment prevented me from ordering the wrong Hextrudort...

@1fareast14 Жыл бұрын

I'm considering putting something similar on a dual nozzle v0.1, what is the actual max flow?

@graydeanj Жыл бұрын

Did the hextrudort low shop with helical gears? If not where can I buy them

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

helicals are not yet ready.. in the description you can find the details

@BeFree0_0 Жыл бұрын

Is there a version for non direct driver

@timoacktun8478 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately my newly purchased CNC Vz-Hextrudort doesn't perform any better then the printed version before. Still the same Extrusion artifacts pointed out by MirageC. Sadly the praised new shaft assembly and twirlgear did not make a difference. At least for me. Curious if others noticed a difference : /

@timoacktun8478 Жыл бұрын

Edit: I used 8t motor and will test again with 10t motor. And maybe the teased heliacal gears will improve performance when available

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

@Timo Acktun yeah use 10th and did you do the alignment procedure? Did you try other spool too? It should improve or remove those artifacts but i hear people running 8th are having issues. Its very touchy to align motor perfectly with a 8th. Try 10th

@timoacktun8478 Жыл бұрын

@@Vez3DSame with different filaments. I will try with 10th later. Can you explain more about the alignment procedure?

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

@@timoacktun8478 check here github.com/VzBoT3D/Vz-HextrudORT/tree/main/Installation

@mykola2535 Жыл бұрын

@@timoacktun8478 Hey did youever get it to work as intended? The motor I got in my box had a bent shaft so I was forced to swap to a 10th tooth motor. I followed the guide he linked. I am wondering at this point if the pom gear has issues since I have followed his guide.

@torquemada1971 Жыл бұрын

Hey dumb question, your plate height is only contolled in two areas. Wouldn't three point ensure it rises and lowers evenly?

@patrikvojin9620 Жыл бұрын

Hi all. Please where buy upgrade For VzHextrudort :)thank you for answer i not see in aliexpress

@swfreeD Жыл бұрын

you have to check the temperatures differently, a thermal camera does not measure the actual emissivity of highly reflective materials, what you probably measured there was most likely temperature of a nearby object getting reflected in the metal. thermal cameras are not accurately measuring materials which act like a polished mirror for infra red heat radiation. you can try that by standing in front of brushed stainless steel, for you its just a metal surface, but in the thermal cam image it looks like you stand in front of a mirror, you can see yourself, and you can even measure your body heat, but not the temperature of the metal itself.

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

I agree. I should put a tape on it or something. But the temp of the motor was right since it has a mat finish. Also.. to the touch shows me its working very good. It says cool :)

@brendinemslie8226 Жыл бұрын

Looks good. I am looking forward to putting one of these on my large 500x500 printer. I am curious how well it prints with larger diameter nozzles (1mm and up)

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

It prints very good :)

@neto16478 Жыл бұрын

which filament was used ?

@camerongarrow324 2 ай бұрын

Where do you buy the adaptor plate ? I can only find the old adaptor plate on the mellow store ?

@Vez3D 2 ай бұрын

It's in the vz- hextrudort listing

@camerongarrow324 2 ай бұрын

Thanks man.

@ThomasWood3DPrinting Жыл бұрын

Have you ever messed with a crazy rabbit feeder for multicolor? I think one of your builds going incredibly fast and multicolor would be nuts

@CBORK27 Жыл бұрын

PLA is more suitable to test heatbreak 13:35

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

Another good test..but wanted to test with chamber heat

@Michaelhood0 29 күн бұрын

I follow the alien press link and it's very hard to understand how to buy. Not sure how to identify if it comes with helical gears or how many tooth motor. I see 8t/10t and it discourages purchase because I don't know what I will get

@Vez3D 29 күн бұрын

8 or 10t is a personal preference.

@Michaelhood0 29 күн бұрын

@Vez3D I still don't know what I'll get the items aren't very descriptive. I don't see helical gears mentioned. I would have likely ordered some parts months ago I only oli could know what I'm buying

@Vez3D 29 күн бұрын

@Michaelhood0 i can help you. Are you on discord?

@Michaelhood0 29 күн бұрын

@Vez3D I'm not I have a Facebook My wife has been wanting to order me some parts for father's day and I have been unsuccessful in getting her the info she needs to order

@Vez3D 28 күн бұрын

@@Michaelhood0 im ok fb. Group vzbot

@dayumcraig7657 8 ай бұрын

I'm a little confused - documentation of the whole thing is unfortunately very poor, there is the Hextrudort with water cooling and there is the goliath with water cooling. Is one of the two enough? Can I run a water cooled goliath with an additional water cooled hextrudort unit (4 fittings)? thanks in advance

@brocksdaddy081910 Жыл бұрын

Do you have a regular job and do this on the side or is the main income?

@JonS Жыл бұрын

When, and why did The Goliath get shorter?

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

when? Like now in this video.. why? It was announced multiple times on all my social that we were working on this project :) Renders were posted weeks ago.. and even a real picture. Why? you mean..... Why NOT ? :P Its the same goliath just without heatsink. Shorter like that

@JonS Жыл бұрын

@@Vez3D edit: oh, you just mean shorter because of the heatsink removal. I was thinking the hot section had been shortened.

@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

@@JonS nah.. that recipee wont change. Its the same heatblock and same everything

@Apophis-en9pi Жыл бұрын

Kudos for not using slice boron nitride!! 😂😂

@Jkauppa Жыл бұрын

are you cool

@3D_Printing 10 ай бұрын

Gear's are bigger these days

@ChromePhoenixQ Жыл бұрын

Careful not to burn out the autofocus motor on ur dslr lens LOL

@pomax007 Жыл бұрын

В начале был хороший экструдер на водяном охлаждении. А потом обосрал всю идею добавив тяжелые дополнения! Что дополнение для боудена, что дополнение для горла. Переделывай!