《無間道》Vs《無間道風雲》：重拍=抄襲？粗口=技窮？塵埃落定論高下【只要有電影】第195集（2023-16-01）

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《無間道》Vs《無間道風雲》：重拍=抄襲？粗口=技窮？塵埃落定論高下【只要有電影】第195集（2023-16-01）

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《無間道》Vs《無間道風雲》：重拍=抄襲？粗口=技窮？塵埃落定論高下
【只要有電影】第195集（2023-16-01）
趁著《無間道》20週年兼4K修復版重映，而M+戲院也選映了馬田史高西斯重拍它的《無間道風雲》（The Departed，2006），也許是時候可以客觀地好好比較一下兩個版本，作一終極評價，那是因為一直以來，不論在本地或外國，都有不少人堅持一種說法，就是後者怎樣也無法超越前者；甚至對它有兩種最普遍的指控：其一，是史高西斯抄襲了麥兆輝、莊文強的原創劇本；其二，是影片不外乎以大量粗口取勝（更有說它是荷里活史上最多粗口的電影）。兩個說法都暴露了論者對電影創作的含混概念……
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@goyijie7882 Жыл бұрын

小時候覺得這是經典港片。現在比較有鑑賞能力之後，我再看無間道1，真的覺得這部港片有著華麗的陣容，時代的意義，但在劇情上來說漏洞百出，很多劇情更有TVB FEEL，一點都不精彩。如果沒有任何支持港片情緒的話，我更會把他列入不及格的電影。我最不能接受的是他們把臥底說得那麼需要保密身份，但梁朝偉和劉德華經常在公開場合高調處理臥底的事情，完全不害怕隔牆有耳，梁朝偉還在大街上大喊大叫。甚至，如果真的是很私密的對談，上到天台交易更是很容易曝光。整部電影，最好的只是黑道臥底和警察臥底的IDEA，其餘的細節真的處理得很差。反而覺得，無間道 II 的整體性會比較好，只是陳冠希和余文樂的演技真的是鬥爛。劉嘉玲和吳鎮宇表現得很好。至於無間道 III，我就直接放棄了。

@user-fv4wr1bz4n 11 ай бұрын

無間道比風雲優勢在節奏，你講的漏洞完全無考慮時代背景，廿年後既今日臥底事情處理的細節標準可能先進好多，但當年警黑處理相關問題的水平好可能就係咁樣，而且風云劇本也有問題，三角戀設定是什麼回事，而且它劇本漏洞改得更少也是理所當然，因為是翻拍基礎上去改

@ronaldchan2000 Жыл бұрын

最尾結論令人聽得好唔舒服點解唔同意無間道風雲比無間道"高幾個層次", 就係唔識嘢, stubborn? 我去rotten tomato睇過, 無間道喺tomatometer同audience score兩項指標都比風雲高分其實唔只香港人, 連鬼佬都大把人鍾意無間道多啲佢地都好stubborn, 冇見識? Maybe, 但無間道係原創, 風雲係改編, 改編戲將原創戲改得更為豐富圓滿係理所當然(唔係拍嚟做乜?), 但原創始終係原創, 有時一部戲最重要就係條推陳出新嘅橋, 而無間道當年的確有橫空出世之感, 相反風雲始終係一部改編戲, 就算編導演青出於藍, 始終新意欠奉!

@celestecheung9050 Жыл бұрын

片名叫Deaparted已經把劇情隱約說了出來加上背景是波士頓天主教講redemption 配合故事主題

@RosalinaChu Жыл бұрын

響影像上高嘅成就，《無間道風雲》係遠高於《無間道》嘅，呢樣野的確係冇得拗。但文本層面《無間道》要更勝一籌，因爲佢用三部曲嘅篇幅成功構建出一個真正嘅“無間煉獄 the infernal affairs” ，即人物在中港關係嘅死結中泥漿摔角，無法掙脫嘅處境，馬田根本冇可能翻譯呢樣野。又好似後來韓國人翻拍杜琪峰嘅毒戰都遇上同樣嘅問題。學你話齋，如果因爲各種原因有意睇低馬田呢套戯，非常可惜。

@user-fv4wr1bz4n 11 ай бұрын

我覺得對兩部電影的優點唔應該偏頗，明顯，港版勝在節奏緊湊明快，美版勝在劇情漏洞更少一些

@VM-yt2fj Жыл бұрын

The original version has its unique cultural value which makes "The Departed" look like a normal police movie, although the cast of "The Departed" is way more aggressive. It makes me wonder it's the producers think that those super movie stars would save some time to skip the plot development or think the cast would compensate for some flaws.

@riemann2699 Жыл бұрын

之前都有聽講過另外一個批評：The Departed 係荷里活嘅西方電影人帶住一種自大嘅心態，對Asian cinema嘅篡改，將無間道呢套原本帶有東方哲理的經典改成了純粹娛樂的警匪片。當然我個人係完全唔認同呢種觀點，馬田呢種大師級導演又點會咁做。

@goyijie7882 Жыл бұрын

這些批評都幾無理取鬧，西方買了版權，別人自然有自己的詮釋。如果只是要看原版的東方哲學，不如回去看原版就好。

@jono77 Жыл бұрын

The Departed was a better film. I've rewatched both films a few times and while the Departed stood the test of time, the original hasn't aged well. Everything from the cinematography to the soundtrack, everything sounds cheesy and cliched, even in 2002 it had no subtlety. And I think the original's cast did a lot of overacting, especially 個矮仔同華仔, 2023 睇我覺得做得好誇張. Whereas the Departed is still a classic Scorsese crime film. It's up there with Goodfellas and Casino. Also on your point about the swearing, one problem i have always had with HK crime films is that the 黑社會 never swear, this immediately makes the movie unrealistic. The Departed just had a lot more depth, with the Boston Irish mob background. Whereas infernal affairs was just good guy vs bad guy black and white. To be fair I did find Jack Nicholson's microchip smuggling business very stupid. Infernal Affairs had a great plot and that was the only thing Scorsese needed to borrow.