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@blancolirio
@blancolirio 11 ай бұрын
More info by Denys that strongly supports a missile strike: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bq5ieaqmyZmbgoU.html
@kristinwinter5006
@kristinwinter5006 11 ай бұрын
You Ruskie trolls never sleep!@@dietervolke7811
@mcloutier5
@mcloutier5 11 ай бұрын
Very thorough report by Denys.
@dietervolke7811
@dietervolke7811 11 ай бұрын
However, there was no direct confirmation that Prigozhin, who was known to take numerous security precautions, was dead. A second jet belonging to him, which was also in flight, turned around midair after the incident and later landed at Ostafyevo airport near Moscow. Chatham House Russia analyst Keir Giles said: “It is known that multiple individuals have changed their name to Yevgeny Prigozhin, as part of his efforts to obfuscate his travels. So until we know for certain that it’s the right Prigozhin, let’s not be surprised if he pops up shortly in a new video from Africa.”
@Mywhtjp
@Mywhtjp 11 ай бұрын
No explosions were reported. Probably straffed by machine guns.. quieter but they accomplished their goal. Sadly.. Just watched the first part of that video.. He's got nothing on you as far as his knowledge of airplanes and your resource of identifying them..
@mcloutier5
@mcloutier5 11 ай бұрын
Everything russian is maybe/maybe not. But Denys’ report is very thorough.
@2011blueman
@2011blueman 11 ай бұрын
We know it wasn't an accident. I'm surprised anyone was willing to pilot an airplane with him on it, and anyone else was willing to be on board.
@zlm001
@zlm001 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. They may have been Wagner pilots though.
@tinytattoomike7943
@tinytattoomike7943 11 ай бұрын
💯
@HokieJuju
@HokieJuju 11 ай бұрын
Yeah it seems a little odd that there were 3 pilots on board but from what I’ve seen, they were all Wagner pilots.
@psikogeek
@psikogeek 11 ай бұрын
"This is your captain speaking. Please welcome our VIP passengers, Yevgeny Prigozhin, Mohamed Atta, and D. B. Cooper. Enjoy your flight, everyone."
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 11 ай бұрын
Seriously. I'm floored that he was flying into Russia, and apparently fairly often, from what I read this afternoon. I mean, even if he wasn't on that plane, _someone_ high enough to launch missiles clearly thought he was. If he's alive, I'd suggest he takes trains from now on. Not that I have any love for the man. Slava Ukraine.
@aviatorel32
@aviatorel32 11 ай бұрын
Putin promised Prigozhin that he won’t be prosecuted, and he kept his word.
@jonathanmvkhai
@jonathanmvkhai 11 ай бұрын
A man of his word.
@fighterjetsteve
@fighterjetsteve 11 ай бұрын
Vlad said prosecuted...... he just didn't mention assassination.🤔🤔
@christopherstewart7707
@christopherstewart7707 11 ай бұрын
Prigozhin should have stipulated that he get immunity from not only legal prosecution but immunity from missle strikes. It always pays to get the best lawyer…
@mcahill135
@mcahill135 11 ай бұрын
Well, in a sense he was prosecuted. Not in a court of law, but, at 33,000 ft
@raymondclark1785
@raymondclark1785 11 ай бұрын
Shows putler was willing to use Freindly fire on 9 others to get his revenge
@Gregorius421
@Gregorius421 11 ай бұрын
Worth noting that ADSB data was lost at FL280, not when the aircraft impacted the ground. Circuits were severed while flying.
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 11 ай бұрын
Of course it was. It exploded in the air. Wladimir knows his business.
@dougall1687
@dougall1687 11 ай бұрын
FR24 over on facebook gave a more detailed analysis of the vertical speeds recorded by various receivers, and there seem to be 2, maybe 3, final data points with a very rapid descent rate (c. 7,000 ft/min). So the initial event doesn't appear to have completely disabled the flight systems.
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 11 ай бұрын
@@dougall1687 Meybae some vigilantes climbed onto the wings and tried to stitch them together but their cheap russian strings did not hold up.
@dougall1687
@dougall1687 11 ай бұрын
@@wolfgangpreier9160 I think the point is that if the ADS-B was still functioning during the initial parts of the descent, then the avionics were energized at this point (either by battery or engines) and so both CVR and FDR records should be available covering the event itself and early consequences. Although assuredly this will not be made public.
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 11 ай бұрын
@@dougall1687 Where did they shoot it down? Over Russia. Who has the best electronic warfare in their own country? Russia. Questions about ADSB make simply no sense in this case. I was always wondering why the russians even allow ADSB signals in and out of their land. But who knows what a russian thinks?
@Blxz
@Blxz 11 ай бұрын
What a truly unlucky turn of events. Could have happened to anyone. Anyone flying over Russian airspace who also happened to carry a passenger that had acted against the Russian head of state, that is.
@rabidbigdog
@rabidbigdog 11 ай бұрын
Yes indeed. MH17 springs to mind.
@anthonymaddison9588
@anthonymaddison9588 11 ай бұрын
Treason is punishable by death in many countries including the USA.
@Markle2k
@Markle2k 11 ай бұрын
There were a lot of VVS personnel who would not mind making a “mistake” like his guys did when they shot down the Il-22M. Poetic how they descended in much the same way.
@Brad2117
@Brad2117 11 ай бұрын
Well said. I almost missed the second paragraph lol
@fuzzy1dk
@fuzzy1dk 11 ай бұрын
not only against the head of state, afaiu he was running around in Africa because GRU wanted to replace the Wagner group there with their own people, so they also wanted to get rid of him
@cozysouth
@cozysouth 11 ай бұрын
Accidentally flew through the path of a missile. Never guessed that was going to happen.
@mikemontagne2703
@mikemontagne2703 11 ай бұрын
Inadvertently flew into the same bowtye shaped pre-fragmented maelstrom that makes up the warhead of a Buk 9M38(?)....
@Don.Challenger
@Don.Challenger 11 ай бұрын
Yes, well who hopes to fall out a window, off a balcony, down an elevator shaft, slip fall down the stairway - sadly this venture was merely from greater altitude and the armored vests would only expedite their fall from greatness (as it were). Mr Putin strikes from afar; however, that killer is no godlike Apollo.
@oldschoolman1444
@oldschoolman1444 11 ай бұрын
Poor airplane!
@MichaelOfRohan
@MichaelOfRohan 11 ай бұрын
Lol we knew he was dead the moment he opened his mouth against russia.
@kamakaziozzie3038
@kamakaziozzie3038 11 ай бұрын
Classic Hillary body count
@rkoczewski1
@rkoczewski1 11 ай бұрын
It was not a missile It was not a bomb It was not a crash It was a “special military landing”
@kbg990
@kbg990 11 ай бұрын
Special Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly
@james_chatman
@james_chatman 11 ай бұрын
😆😆😆 I shouldn't but these people have actively made the world a worse place. Won't be missed.
@hb1338
@hb1338 11 ай бұрын
@@user-jh4xk3ml1q Incorrect . Putin usually waits for the initial palaver to die down before acting, maybe because he thinks revenge is best served cold, maybe to lull the victim into a lower state of alertness.
@wngimageanddesign9546
@wngimageanddesign9546 11 ай бұрын
LMAO!
@brucedickson6019
@brucedickson6019 11 ай бұрын
10.0
@tubefr71
@tubefr71 11 ай бұрын
When I first heard the news, my immediate reaction was “I want to hear Blancolirio’s analysis on it”. So as always, thank you!
@jamesm3471
@jamesm3471 11 ай бұрын
The only reason this Legacy jet crashed is because Yevgeny Prigozhin couldn’t fit out its window. In all seriousness though, my heart goes out for its crew.
@cheddar2648
@cheddar2648 11 ай бұрын
_one cannot make an omelet without cracking a few eggs_ --The New York Times
@bluejew6969
@bluejew6969 11 ай бұрын
The crew were likely Wagner pilots so I wouldn’t feel too bad for them
@dski8097
@dski8097 11 ай бұрын
The puff of white and grey smoke is a signature of a missile proximity detonation. That jet was shot down by a sophisticated surface to air missile.
@cockatoo010
@cockatoo010 11 ай бұрын
doesn't need to be sophisticated. Pretty sure an Igla (Soviet MANPADS) could shoot down a business jet.
@uwekonnigsstaddt524
@uwekonnigsstaddt524 11 ай бұрын
The sound of jet engines can be heard. Perhaps a fighter shot down the jet
@ericvonp
@ericvonp 11 ай бұрын
Plane was at 25k ft high. That’s to high for that
@user-pl7so1gn4d
@user-pl7so1gn4d 11 ай бұрын
@@cockatoo010" Igla" is valid up to 5-6km only,if im not mistaken. It was rather a missile from the "buk",or smth similar.
@dale2540
@dale2540 11 ай бұрын
If it was shot down, wouldn't it blow up? Seeing they just took off & full of Fuel.@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 . I see this as something blew up from inside the jet, blowing the tail end off... hard to say.
@adrianinglis5922
@adrianinglis5922 11 ай бұрын
It was only a matter of time but I thought he would have fallen from a 6th storey window like so many others.
@j2simpso
@j2simpso 11 ай бұрын
For a leader like him, the number of stories he has to fall from increase greatly.
@Dave-ei7kk
@Dave-ei7kk 11 ай бұрын
I think this is a case of killing 7 birds with one stone. (Plus the flight crew who were probably incidental casualties).
@montepickett3
@montepickett3 11 ай бұрын
Yes I thought he would catch "3rd floor window cancer"
@BoMcGillacutty
@BoMcGillacutty 11 ай бұрын
Clearly mass suicide.
@Relkond
@Relkond 11 ай бұрын
I’d figured on an accident - something that could be plausibly denied. This seems quite risky. If there’s shrapnel holes in the aircraft, that’s going to give credence to the idea of a shoot-down, which can serve as justification for Wagner to pull some dumb $#!%
@tao5664
@tao5664 11 ай бұрын
Juan, I love how as an American you kept a straight face when you said "and we're never going to get the straight story as this happened over in Russia" Greetings from Australia
@hobnob4224
@hobnob4224 11 ай бұрын
Yep, same as in the good ole US of A. Probably hit by a magic bullet.
@JimMork
@JimMork 11 ай бұрын
When did we get a straight story about the invasion of Iraq. Let's not get too haughty here.
@andrewf2
@andrewf2 11 ай бұрын
The last guy who crossed Putin committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Twice.
@robertstennett7566
@robertstennett7566 2 ай бұрын
According to the Russian investigating team it was a hand grenade that exploded in the interior of the plane.
@cee5050
@cee5050 11 ай бұрын
That white "cloud" at 4:50 reminded me of the same kind of cloud when they shot down the Chinese balloon.
@alanaldpal950
@alanaldpal950 11 ай бұрын
Well, like so many other Russian Big Wigs, Prigozhin died from a great fall…. Much higher than the usual apartment window
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 11 ай бұрын
It's actually quite comforting to know that he most likely had the whole way down to think about the atrocities he committed in Ukraine. Good riddance.
@jhgming
@jhgming 11 ай бұрын
@@badmonkey2222He probably wasn't even thinking about that. He might have already been dead in the air, or he might have been thinking about and hoping for Putin's downfall, we'll never know
@bullfrogger1208
@bullfrogger1208 11 ай бұрын
Well, at least you don't call bullets to the back of the head "suicide".
@Blxz
@Blxz 11 ай бұрын
The higher you reach the greater the fall. Never more true than now.
@c1ph3rpunk
@c1ph3rpunk 11 ай бұрын
@@jhgmingwas he even alive when boarding.
@nicklovell5872
@nicklovell5872 11 ай бұрын
Thank you Juan. Your assessments are always clear clear and informative and easy for the layperson to understand.
@purplesprigs
@purplesprigs 11 ай бұрын
Please, everyone, lay off the conspiracy Kool Aid. He is dead. Also, JFK was not killed by the Keebler elves and I am not D.B. Cooper...or am I?
@TechGorilla1987
@TechGorilla1987 11 ай бұрын
@2:57 - "Ass over teakettle." Now THERE is a term I have not heard in a while. Mum used to say that all the time. Good memories.
@hernanhernandez3861
@hernanhernandez3861 11 ай бұрын
"Truth is the first casualty of war..." great quote.
@Hans_R._Wahl
@Hans_R._Wahl 11 ай бұрын
Yes!
@gcrauwels941
@gcrauwels941 11 ай бұрын
Someone showed some pictures of the tail section separated from the main impact and a section of wing consistent with SAM damage. I knew it was coming, just didn't know when. What he was doing still in Russia is baffling.
@cockatoo010
@cockatoo010 11 ай бұрын
Right. The continuous rod warhead of a 58E6 missile (fired by a Pantsir) is designed to cut trough the target after detonation. Although some in the comments are claiming that the pictures of the wreckage show small holes peppered trough some surfaces, which would be more consistent with a blast fragmentation warhead from something like a 9M317 from a Buk (small holes were peppered throughout the cockpit of MH17, for example) or the missiles from S300
@gcrauwels941
@gcrauwels941 11 ай бұрын
@@cockatoo010 Interesting. Would be consistent with large scale control surface failure.
@djinn666
@djinn666 11 ай бұрын
Anyone dumb enough to start a failed coup against Putin's inner circle is dumb enough to stay in Russia afterwards.
@keithrosenberg5486
@keithrosenberg5486 11 ай бұрын
I saw a photo that seemed to show shrapnel holes in a partly intact piece of the aircraft.
@MrMonoTracer
@MrMonoTracer 11 ай бұрын
Professional pilot here: Experience shows that it is very difficult to open a window of a jet aircraft inflight, even harder for a person to fall out of it. However, this problem can be solved when the window itself, with the airframe attached to it, falls out of the sky - with the unlucky person on board…
@RockandRollWoman
@RockandRollWoman 11 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@Hans_R._Wahl
@Hans_R._Wahl 11 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@RockandRollWoman
@RockandRollWoman 11 ай бұрын
You should have far more 👍👍👍. No one else has been able to reconcile this "accident" with the storied history of other Putin critics and their window-related accidents. I laugh every time I contemplate your elegant solution. 👍👌🤣🤣🤣
@MrMonoTracer
@MrMonoTracer 11 ай бұрын
@@RockandRollWoman Thank you😀👍!
@guyver268
@guyver268 11 ай бұрын
Just because his Prigozhin's name was on the passenger manifest doesn't necessarily mean he was actually on board. I can think of good reasons he'd like everyone to believe he was.
@navinstrument8353
@navinstrument8353 11 ай бұрын
Interesting perspective
@TheWilferch
@TheWilferch 11 ай бұрын
That was my thinking too at first when all that was reported was that his "name" was on the list.....but his name and the names of some other high ranking Wagner people were on the confirmed body count / naming list issued by the crash authorities. That all said...yes, it's a report from Russia, so maybe not truthful overall given the history.
@gmcjetpilot
@gmcjetpilot 11 ай бұрын
You don't think Putin former KGB was NOT able to positively ID Prigozhin was on plane (eyes on him)? It was a missile as crash scene pictures leaked out of plane (wreckage) is full of small shrapnel holes. Why shoot plane down? So when Prigozhin's is never seen again will you agree he is dead, or will you say this is a coverup so he can "go on the lam". Prigozhin's was just in Africa with his Wagner murdering psycho mercenaries killing woman and children. He was not hiding. Reports say he was one of the dead, Be skeptical but don't be ridiculous. These "hits" (murders) are normal for Putin. Anyone who criticizes him or opposes him ends up in jail, dead or both. Not to judge but to be clear we do it in America. Jeffery Epstein, a string of deaths around Clintons... this kind of thing happens...by evil people.
@Transilvanian90
@Transilvanian90 11 ай бұрын
Possible, but that's just speculative. Until we have evidence of anything, it's presumed he was there and died.
@dong4617
@dong4617 11 ай бұрын
I'm sure the FSB knew who was aboard before they shot it down.
@NFlight
@NFlight 11 ай бұрын
Wing missing, engine and tail gone. Missile.
@jamescollier3
@jamescollier3 11 ай бұрын
first and only camera footage!
@JoeKyser
@JoeKyser 11 ай бұрын
​@jamescollier3 yeah true, we are making assumptions here. No doubt that plane was blown down. We just dont know if this is part of a true story
@timb8095
@timb8095 11 ай бұрын
Pentagon are now saying, not missile
@richardlincoln8438
@richardlincoln8438 11 ай бұрын
Special military intervention.
@NFlight
@NFlight 11 ай бұрын
@@timb8095 Heard that too.. Vlad says it was Wine Crate Bomb that was loaded last minute. The FA messaged her family about "an unexpected delay". We'll never really know.
@thornunia5057
@thornunia5057 11 ай бұрын
Thanks, Juan for your experienced update on this incident.
@Hans_R._Wahl
@Hans_R._Wahl 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for picking this up - and for the recommendation to Denys!
@ChrisRaynorMD
@ChrisRaynorMD 11 ай бұрын
I was waiting to see what your assessment was on this. Thanks for the update!
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 11 ай бұрын
Arse over teakettle is a favorite expression of my dad's.
@Deltarious
@Deltarious 11 ай бұрын
Photographs of the wreckage *clearly* show the wreck displays perforations that can more or less only be from the shrapnel created by the detonation of a missile, they're very distinctive and pepper at least one side of the aircraft
@idanceforpennies281
@idanceforpennies281 11 ай бұрын
Yeah. Everyone is talking about a SAM.
@FPVMystique
@FPVMystique 11 ай бұрын
I'd expect damage more congruent with the use of a continuous-rod (CR) missile rather than a peppering.
@idanceforpennies281
@idanceforpennies281 11 ай бұрын
What ??? @@FPVMystique
@jamescraig4479
@jamescraig4479 11 ай бұрын
​@@idanceforpennies281A continuous rod warhead that upon detonation, forms an expanding ring that slices through airframes...
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 11 ай бұрын
There's also video of what's left of him, well what's left of his upper half at least.
@Saabjock
@Saabjock 11 ай бұрын
I worked on the Legacy 600 model several years ago. They don't just fall out of the sky in that fashion. There is absolutely zero forward component in that video. While extremely blurry, it looks like most of the empennage is missing which would explain the freefall. That aircraft either took a missle in the aft section or some type of explosive went off in either the aft baggage or in the hell hole.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 11 ай бұрын
Metal on the external panels that survived the post-execution fire all had the edges bent inwards, so the penetration was outside. From chef to roast is unsurprising, exactly 2 weeks after the Wagner mutiny.
@robertstennett7566
@robertstennett7566 2 ай бұрын
@@phillee2814 According to the Russian investigating team it was a hand grenade that exploded in the interior of the plane.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 ай бұрын
@@robertstennett7566 And according to the fox, it was somebody unknown who raided the chicken coop!😂🤣😂🤣
@danroll81
@danroll81 11 ай бұрын
I was surprised a few weeks back to see footage of him disembarking a Robinson 44 helicopter. He sure was confident enough to fly anything!
@kevinmansker8649
@kevinmansker8649 11 ай бұрын
In various screenshots you can see the right wing and most of the empennage is missing from the fuselage
@HokieJuju
@HokieJuju 11 ай бұрын
I was thinking it looked like one of the wings was missing but it was hard to tell in the video.
@c1ph3rpunk
@c1ph3rpunk 11 ай бұрын
Nyet. These aren’t the wings you’re looking for. It took off that way, it wasn’t me.
@germansnowman
@germansnowman 11 ай бұрын
There is a second video that shows it quite clearly.
@pistonburner6448
@pistonburner6448 11 ай бұрын
GRU placed the explosive charge into the Embraer's wing-mounted main landing gear enclosure. Boom -> wing comes off.
@denninosyos
@denninosyos 11 ай бұрын
The initial smoke plume looks like it comes from aft-right. I think an AA missile hit it from aft- right and tore the tail and right wing off. If it was an internal explosion in the cabin I'd think that the cabin would've been a bit more torn up and right wing still attached or in proximity of the falling main fuselage.
@zambia61
@zambia61 11 ай бұрын
Really enjoy your channel. Thank you for your hard work in providing excellent factual content.
@ugiswrong
@ugiswrong 11 ай бұрын
RIP Prigozhin, you were an excellent adversary, very entertaining
@paulstaney325
@paulstaney325 11 ай бұрын
Glad you bothered to report this incident, was hoping you would, always enjoy your clean, consis analysis of these events. As always, my hat's off to you Jaun. Keep up your excellent work !
@jonlangford7622
@jonlangford7622 11 ай бұрын
And this is why I subscribed. You directly answered every question that I had. Thanks.
@crushingvanessa3277
@crushingvanessa3277 11 ай бұрын
Glad to see your take on this. You explained a lot looking at this from a normal accident view. Interesting to is that they identified him so quickly. Or is that a normal amount of time.
@jonrobinson6046
@jonrobinson6046 11 ай бұрын
Best information from Juan once again. Great job
@stevekerr4538
@stevekerr4538 11 ай бұрын
We could coin a new phrase for this incident being a ‘crash of convenience’ for a certain leader
@maxmoo3275
@maxmoo3275 11 ай бұрын
This does NOT benefit Putin.
@nathandanner4030
@nathandanner4030 11 ай бұрын
Ron Brown comes to mind.
@uwekonnigsstaddt524
@uwekonnigsstaddt524 11 ай бұрын
@@maxmoo3275Ron Brown benefited Clinton
@moshet842
@moshet842 11 ай бұрын
@@maxmoo3275 How do you figure?
@Mentaculus42
@Mentaculus42 11 ай бұрын
@@maxmoo3275 Warnings to the elite in Vlad Land!!
@jamesonpace726
@jamesonpace726 11 ай бұрын
We all knew this was coming, surprised it took so long. Unless Prigozhin's not actually dead....
@SalisburySnake
@SalisburySnake 11 ай бұрын
Or was already dead? Seems odd to do it in such a way that outsiders can't confirm it was really him.
@JimMork
@JimMork 11 ай бұрын
Maybe he's sneaking off to Argentina.
@pezpengy9308
@pezpengy9308 11 ай бұрын
i usually get a catch in my throat watching your accident videos... but on this one i cant stop giggling!!!!
@thomasbell7033
@thomasbell7033 11 ай бұрын
Thanks again, Juan. I'm an aviation writer and I appreciate your narrative approach to these incidents, refusing to engage in outrageous speculation before all the facts are in. We pilots are compulsive second guessers.
@LarsLarsen77
@LarsLarsen77 11 ай бұрын
That's what happens when your weight and balance is radically altered by a missile/bomb.
@hb1338
@hb1338 11 ай бұрын
Most Russian military explosions are started by somebody smoking in the wrong place.
@tecnaman9097
@tecnaman9097 11 ай бұрын
The only thing we know for sure is that Girkin didn't pull the trigger this time. So is this the end of Wagner now? As Mr Churchill said of Russia "It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma".
@Kevinmaino
@Kevinmaino 11 ай бұрын
Hey Juan, would love a breakdown of the ferry flight Embraer with the Gol 737 in Brazil.
@Aviation1400
@Aviation1400 11 ай бұрын
There’s another angle of the crash that shows the legacy in what appears to be missing it’s left wing and at least both horizontal stabilizers
@manofcultura
@manofcultura 11 ай бұрын
The fact it’s not breaking up. I would surmise it’s a MANPAD that hit it. An A2A or SAM would do enough to shred a civilian craft of that size.
@runrau9275
@runrau9275 11 ай бұрын
Yes, also still photo's of the stabilizers a few miles away in a field.
@lonnywilcox445
@lonnywilcox445 11 ай бұрын
@@manofcultura 28,000 feet would be at the high end of effective MANPAD range. Most of the A2A missiles have relatively small warheads, just enough to get the fragmentation portion up to 6,000fps. It will blow chunks off a plane but not likely to shred it a la Top Gun. My guess is this was an IR seeker A2A missile. Why IR? Because even a "civilian" plane used by someone who runs a mercenary group is going to have a radar warning receiver in it. With an IR missile the attacking plane wouldn't have even had to turn on the radar to get an IR lock. They wouldn't have known they were being hunted until the plane was falling out of the sky.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 11 ай бұрын
​@@manofculturamanpads can't reach 25000 ft it was either a BUK or an S-400
@vstaritz
@vstaritz 11 ай бұрын
@@manofcultura Not really actually. It comes down to some level of luck but the Ukrainian 737 that was shot down by Iranian AA over Tehran couple years ago was airborne for quite a while before it eventually hit the ground. It was directed where it eventually crashed. It is a much bigger craft but it was a static SAM that did it. A Tor or Buk afair.
@JohnTrombley
@JohnTrombley 11 ай бұрын
You are right on top of these events, Thanks
@richb313
@richb313 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for adding your experience to the list of people questioning this crash.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 11 ай бұрын
Juan, always love your coverage....Bravo....Paul in Florida
@ElectroAtletico
@ElectroAtletico 11 ай бұрын
Dang, he didn't get pushed out of building, he got BLOWN UP!!
@HiggsBJ
@HiggsBJ 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this!
@Tiger313NL
@Tiger313NL 11 ай бұрын
Thank you once again, Juan.
@jeffshafer9079
@jeffshafer9079 11 ай бұрын
That looks exactly like the Blue Angels 5 jet I saw in Niagara Falls back in ‘85. Opposing solo hit it and knocked the vertical stab off. Man, when that happens it’s just flat spin all the way down.
@iskydivetoooo
@iskydivetoooo 11 ай бұрын
I like the way you analyze things.
@EdwardKilner
@EdwardKilner 11 ай бұрын
I’ve been a serious amateur photographer since 1971. How come I never seem to point my camera into the sky and catch an initial explosion on an aircraft carrying an infamous person? I am very sorry for the loss of the 3 crew members. Another war crime, I’m sure.
@jamesphillips2285
@jamesphillips2285 11 ай бұрын
Cellphones are often poorer cameras; but are easier to have on-hand.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 11 ай бұрын
War crime? What the ones he committed? This guy was a mass murderer of children an elderly people his people killed Ukrainian pows with a sledgehammer, there's nobody going to miss that thug the world is a much better place without this monster. And what's actually quite comforting is the fact that it looks like he had that whole way down to think about the atrocities he committed and Ukraine before impact. Good riddance.
@notreallyme425
@notreallyme425 11 ай бұрын
What a coincidence!!!
@bigd4366
@bigd4366 11 ай бұрын
They probably heard the explosion and got out their cell phone.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 11 ай бұрын
Because as hard as you try, you cant be in as many places as all the other people with cameras. Dont think of this video as being captures by a person, it was captured by the network of people across the world. Also, I suspect that you haven't been shooting in a target rich environment such as a war zone.
@davied5496
@davied5496 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I’d be good to have that that flight if you were talking about between the 737 in the Embro AFB do that one in the future if you can
@jordillach3222
@jordillach3222 11 ай бұрын
Some photos of the wreckage show what looks like shrapnel dents and perforations on the fuselage which suggests a missile strike. Actually, that bigger cloud of smoke looks very much like a missile blast.
@robertstennett7566
@robertstennett7566 2 ай бұрын
According to the Russian investigating team it was a hand grenade that exploded in the interior of the plane.
@perkinscurry8665
@perkinscurry8665 11 ай бұрын
The fact that his name was on the manifest doesn't necessarily mean he was on the aircraft, just that someone wants us to think so. I think authorities were a little to forthright with this information for me to believe it without some skepticism. Wouldn't surprise me if he was killed in a basement somewhere and his body dissolved in acid and that his name was put on the manifest as a cover.
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 11 ай бұрын
I mean, I wouldn't put anything past Russia, but you'd have to get to Pregozhin first. My guess is, particularly since the failed coup, he was surrounded around the clock by a small army of well-paid mercenaries armed to the teeth. Why send in a commando squad to do all that fighting when you can just remotely shoot his plane out of the sky? Anything's possible, but this arrogant stooge had apparently been in and out of Russia several times the past few months. Russia appears to have been ready this time. I won't celebrate the violence, but I won't mourn this foul man. I say good riddance. I mourn every Ukrainian civilian who's been murdered as well as every brave Ukrainian fighter who's fallen. Slava Ukraine.
@richardpark3054
@richardpark3054 11 ай бұрын
Or maybe he's already enjoying champagne and ouerduerve in Argentina. He was/is a powerful & savvy mercenary with decades of experience. Is it beyond belief that he's arranged to be 'killed' and, therefore, disappear?
@jasoncarswell7458
@jasoncarswell7458 11 ай бұрын
If the Russians tell you it is noon, assume it's actually midnight.
@Pentium100MHz
@Pentium100MHz 11 ай бұрын
@@richardpark3054 No, it isn't. He could have easily got a body double to fly in that plane with his passport. I'm sure the bodies in the ground are quite mangled by the crash and a possible fire, that identification may take a while. But, he was on the passenger list and maybe his passport was found in the wreck. Of course, if he was not on the plane, then he will be really quiet for a while, plotting.
@OceanSwimmer
@OceanSwimmer 11 ай бұрын
​@@Pentium100MHz Spooky thought! Putin won't sleep easy until DNA confirmation is made, if possible.
@moxievintage1390
@moxievintage1390 11 ай бұрын
I did see a clip with a wing clearly absent--the left one, I believe. There apparently was another aircraft, in their envoy, also in the area--just landed from what I heard. An interesting one for sure. THANKS Juan!
@Tony_Airlines
@Tony_Airlines 11 ай бұрын
The entire left wing and both horizontal/vertical stabilizers are gone with engines still attached. There is a second bystander video where, if paused just before the aircraft disappears below the treeline, the bystanders got a top-down view of the crippled aircraft and you can make out the right wing, fuselage and engines.
@irvmaduro
@irvmaduro 11 ай бұрын
I saw another video with a wing missing on its way down. Looking at the trail of white smoke just after the incident in the air, looks like a missile attack.
@jasoncarswell7458
@jasoncarswell7458 11 ай бұрын
I am still unconvinced that Prigozhin would be so stupid as to put both himself and his XO on the same aircraft... and then put both their names on the passenger manifest. I'll believe it when I see the bodies.
@kevinmadore1794
@kevinmadore1794 11 ай бұрын
Amen. Why would a guy of his stature fly over the heart of the Russian Federation in a jet registered to his company knowing full well what Putin does to his enemies? It makes zero sense.
@truracer20
@truracer20 11 ай бұрын
It's the new USSR, nothing can be believed from them.
@feelincrispy7053
@feelincrispy7053 11 ай бұрын
Yep I’m with you. He’s known to have many body doubles as well
@harveywallbanger3123
@harveywallbanger3123 11 ай бұрын
Agreed, it smells like maskirovka. But we'll find out quickly because Wagner won't be able to hide the death of their leaders for long if it's true.
@mvd4436
@mvd4436 11 ай бұрын
He knew that if the govt wanted him gone, he'd be gone anyway. He violated the terms of his exile and had to go
@tedstriker754
@tedstriker754 11 ай бұрын
The way it was falling flat like it was, it seems the horizontal tail was gone, And most of the wing is gone. If the tail was intact, it would have probably been nose down like a missile. It was a fuselage in a flat position. That kept it's speed down somewhat as evidenced by intact pieces like an engine, cockpit windows.
@nickwind2584
@nickwind2584 11 ай бұрын
As far as unsolved mysteries of Russians falling out of windows goes, I say Prigozhin wins the world record for highest altitude. 😂
@skayt35
@skayt35 11 ай бұрын
Putin fled a largely unprotected Moscow during the Wagner mutiny, and afterwards had to publicly shake hands with Prygoshin, in Belarus, outside Russia. Putin was ridiculed by the whole world, including the Ukraine, and even the Russian TV propagandists had trouble portraying this as strength. It was widely considered as the deepest humuliation for him since he took office as the head of Russia. The record downfall of Prygoshin was the minimum which Putin could dish him.
@Confucius_Says...
@Confucius_Says... 11 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ctwalston1565
@ctwalston1565 11 ай бұрын
Yup
@bruhdabones
@bruhdabones 11 ай бұрын
@@skayt35you know what they say, the bigger they are the harder they fall 😂
@orchidorio
@orchidorio 11 ай бұрын
Prigozhin was PUSHED out the window!!!!!
@Snaproll47518
@Snaproll47518 11 ай бұрын
Quite interesting there is video of the event.
@id10t98
@id10t98 11 ай бұрын
That wasnt a plane crash. That was debris falling from a plane that blew up.
@daneast
@daneast 11 ай бұрын
Just saw another camera shot of it falling (amazing how many people caught it from the ground - they must have heard an explosion which prompted them to look up). The plane is clearly missing a wing - appears to be the port side wing. Also apparently a wing was found two miles away from the wreckage.
@haqvor
@haqvor 11 ай бұрын
They have found parts of the aircraft a few km from the crash site. From what I saw the paint matches the vertical stab and another part that looked like one of the elevators. It remains to be seen if Prigozjin was actually on the aircraft.
@doublebass1985
@doublebass1985 11 ай бұрын
its missing a wing, plus the way it falls is indicative of a loss of wing the way it steeply dives down and then kinda flutters and then dives again.
@localcrew
@localcrew 11 ай бұрын
Looks like the “Donuts on a Rope” contrail like from a fast, fast missile. That’s a thing, isn’t it? Some intel guys could chime in here.
@aidenschvatkok5732
@aidenschvatkok5732 11 ай бұрын
I haven’t heard anyone mention donuts on a rope contrails in years
@jmi5969
@jmi5969 11 ай бұрын
No intel necessary, just googlemap Kuzhenkino and see the military bases around it. There's all sorts of SAMs and AAMs.
@localcrew
@localcrew 11 ай бұрын
@@aidenschvatkok5732 I try to work it into conversations as much as possible.
@ricklowers8873
@ricklowers8873 11 ай бұрын
Juan, at the point where you paused the video; it appears the aircraft is falling tail first at that point. “Tumbling” is about all you can say for how it came out of the sky.
@hewhohasnoidentity4377
@hewhohasnoidentity4377 11 ай бұрын
Actually I like JB description of "ass over tea kettle."
@OOpSjm
@OOpSjm 11 ай бұрын
It lost the tail and started tumbling.
@davidpowell3347
@davidpowell3347 11 ай бұрын
something to remember is that when a breakup or explosion at great distance and/or altitude occurs there is a delay of on the order of a couple seconds or more between when something wrong first can be seen and when the initial sounds from the explosion are heard by a ground observer. There is a formula for determining the distance from the observer if the exact time of the delay is known. The same thing as trying to determine the distance from a lightening discharge to an observer who compares the time of the visible flash to the resultant "thunder" (lightening discharges might occur over a longer time than an "instant" and can have great length causing the initial sound to come from more than one point of direction towards the observer and have some duration) I would think an out of control falling metal aircraft would make a great deal of aerodynamic noise different than normal flight noise more or less all the way from the precipitating incident crippling it to the ground impact
@JSBIRD69
@JSBIRD69 11 ай бұрын
I'd love to ear the Cee Eye Aye's alibi regarding their wherabouts during this crash.
@nothandmade9686
@nothandmade9686 11 ай бұрын
That is one high window to fall from.
@PauldeSwardt
@PauldeSwardt 11 ай бұрын
Shout out to the Brazilian Embraer Legacy 600 - Goto private jet choice for private military leaders!
@JimMork
@JimMork 11 ай бұрын
Flawed. Can't outrun ground to air missiles.
@user-pf5xq3lq8i
@user-pf5xq3lq8i 11 ай бұрын
If that is true then the mechanic could have planted something. The way it came down like a lawn dart suggests the wing was blown clean off.
@davidmerwin7763
@davidmerwin7763 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Juan, well done!
@brunodavidferreira5781
@brunodavidferreira5781 11 ай бұрын
Here,in Brazil 🇧🇷, at 1965/66, dictator Castello Branco,was shoot down by a Brazilian Air force T33(SHOOTING STAR) much similar like this Embraer BJ....
@deniseellenburg649
@deniseellenburg649 11 ай бұрын
Wow! Someone actually caught this crash with a camera! Wild!
@halmc8109
@halmc8109 11 ай бұрын
"Ass over tea kettle" one of my dad's favorite expression. First time I've heard it for decades -- thanks for the fond memories.
@PizzaChet
@PizzaChet 11 ай бұрын
That dense cloud to the left looks a lot like the mushroom shape of an air-to-air detonation. No surprise. Just like MH 17.
@Zarcondeegrissom
@Zarcondeegrissom 11 ай бұрын
and the perforations and multiple crash sites for the aircraft parts, a lot of MH17 similarities. except one was mostly Dutch/Malaysian/Australian/etc passengers, the other a rebellious russian leader destoned to eventually fall multiple stories out a basement window.
@gporzio55
@gporzio55 11 ай бұрын
I believe MH17 was brought down by a SAM, not an air-to-air missile.
@hb1338
@hb1338 11 ай бұрын
Air-to-air or ground-to-air.
@earlhuff7847
@earlhuff7847 11 ай бұрын
@@gporzio55 I don't disagree but at that altitude I lean more towards air to air. My uncle is a retired fighter pilot and we discussed this last night. He is convinced air to air, that white smoke that Juan pointed to is classic prox detonation. I am just speculating but my uncle has seen that stuff first hand and I trust his opinion. The missle could have been fired miles away and the fighter that launched already egressed out of the area. There would be no need for evasive action after launching he is well within his own area.
@JimMork
@JimMork 11 ай бұрын
That plane came to mind, too. Difference is that those passengers had done no business with Putin at all. They might actually have been victims of Malaysian airlines management. There was no need to fly over that field of battle. It was a risky choice. Mostly saved a little fuel IF IT MADE IT to the destination. Instead the fuel was splattered all over a battlefield.
@mikelong9638
@mikelong9638 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Juan, as always a good factual report.
@wngimageanddesign9546
@wngimageanddesign9546 11 ай бұрын
The later photos of the wreckage reveals the fuselage peppered with small impact holes indicative of a ground-to-air missile munition.
@REB4444
@REB4444 11 ай бұрын
No way they would know this quick that there were 10 dead bodies. When a plane crashes like this, there are body parts everywhere. Plus they were burnt also, so it would take days to determine how many bodies there are. This plane was clearly brought down from how it was coming down. For the life of me I can't understand how the Wagner guy thought it would end-up any other way after he rebelled. He was a dead man walking the minute he made that decision.
@robertstennett7566
@robertstennett7566 2 ай бұрын
They would have had to file a flight plan which would include the passenger on board.
@poneill65
@poneill65 11 ай бұрын
I saw reports that the tail and engines (which are back by the tail) were found some miles away from where the fuselage and wings fell. Most likely an anti air missile that targeted the engines and blew the tail off (if not a bomb in the rear)
@OOpSjm
@OOpSjm 11 ай бұрын
Correct, the tumbling debris in the video is just the main fuselage.
@somaday2595
@somaday2595 11 ай бұрын
But what about the sound of the engines?
@poneill65
@poneill65 11 ай бұрын
@@somaday2595 Apologies, I slightly mis-spoke,.. At least one of the engines stayed on the fuselage (it's seen in the wreckage) and was possibly still running while it had fuel. I believe I read the tail section was found with "an" engine,.. maybe so, maybe not, but the tail/elevators/rudder were certainly found miles from the fuselage, there's pictures and locations published.
@WillaHerrera
@WillaHerrera 11 ай бұрын
I agree that story about the one that clipped that 747 over the jungle was crazy
@deesandiego
@deesandiego 11 ай бұрын
Thank you as always
@hb1338
@hb1338 11 ай бұрын
The puffs of white smoke are very similar to those made by certain types of proximity fuse when they fire. Of course there may be other things which create similar smoke clouds.
@JT-sr2pl
@JT-sr2pl 11 ай бұрын
There are videos of the missile trails.
@JT-sr2pl
@JT-sr2pl 11 ай бұрын
And photos of small ball bearing type holes in a piece of the fusilage.
@JT-sr2pl
@JT-sr2pl 11 ай бұрын
​@@theaviator06one called 'Moscow calling'
@robeckel4965
@robeckel4965 11 ай бұрын
I was hoping you'd do a video on this ever since I read the news today.
@vadim7590
@vadim7590 11 ай бұрын
to translate the lady filming, aside from cursing, she does say it was shot down.
@sheldonsmith5662
@sheldonsmith5662 11 ай бұрын
There were two Wagner jets in the air. RA-02748, a Legacy 650 was ahead this jet, RA-02795, a Legacy 600. Is it possible that Prigozhin was on the other Wagner jet?
@dwaynemcallister7231
@dwaynemcallister7231 11 ай бұрын
The witness said it was missing a wing and after crash parts were still floating down.
@imo8249
@imo8249 11 ай бұрын
Believe you're right
@K8VTWA
@K8VTWA 11 ай бұрын
Who’s surprised? Great video as always, thanks.
@DIGGER19860
@DIGGER19860 11 ай бұрын
It had a wing blown off you can see the smoke from the missile in one of the videos. People on the ground reported 2 explosions
@LtNduati
@LtNduati 11 ай бұрын
I think everyone in the world knew that was not an accident the moment word had gone out that the Wagner group leader was possibly on board and was in Russia
@marlinweekley51
@marlinweekley51 11 ай бұрын
The Russian military were ready to film it from probably many angles before they shot out of the sky.
@silentflier5144
@silentflier5144 11 ай бұрын
Several news sited (BBC, NBC etc) have still photographs of what appears to be whole the tail plane and upper fin (T tail) some distance from the crash site, damage included missing elevators, rudder etc. Colour scheme and construction looks like it is this aircraft. Looks like it lost the whole of the tail section from somewhere in the region of the engines. Suggestions include bomb in the rear baggage stowage area. Looking at what can be seen of the tail wreckage it doesn't appear to be as damaged as a close up missile strike in the engine area would have caused.
@kittonsmitton
@kittonsmitton 11 ай бұрын
Thanks he was on the passenger log some say he was absent.
@GeorgeSemel
@GeorgeSemel 11 ай бұрын
Dan Gryder will have it all sorted out for us on Sunday!
@robinbanks4257
@robinbanks4257 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Mister Blanco
@AdamC5013
@AdamC5013 11 ай бұрын
His name is Juan, Juan Lirio
@MrLunithy
@MrLunithy 11 ай бұрын
@@AdamC5013 Yeah... Blanky Blanks the man is a legend mate.
@fixanypc
@fixanypc 11 ай бұрын
that cone shaped puff of smoke is the classic signature of a continuous rod warhead of an air to air short range missile. Based on previous data I have seen and the fact that Russian MANPADS systems used exclusively blast fragmentation warheads I am fairly confident this plane was purposefully shot down with more than likely with a Vympel R-60 (NATO AA-8 "Aphid") Air to air missile launched from a Russian Air Force fighter. With this being so close to Moscow its is nearly impossible with this to be a shot from a foreign missile especially given the impact trajectory in the video.
@christopherrobinson7541
@christopherrobinson7541 11 ай бұрын
There are also ground launched versions of the air-to-air missiles that also use the same type of warhead.
@livethefuture2492
@livethefuture2492 11 ай бұрын
"The higher you go the further you have to fall", quite literally this time as it would seem
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