Unlucky, but kinda how it works. I hope we get a better f15, but let's not forget the same thing happened to the mig 29smt, and will probably happen to other planes as well

its american thats why,

thats 90% of all veichles

Technically A models never got AMRAAM capability. That didn’t come along until MSIP II, which congress scrapped retrofitting onto the 15A’s. Otherwise this is too real

Most intelligent WT player

Why did he drive one in real life?

@@mich421It’s his favorite plane irl and he’s got a crap ton of information on it

@@christopherchartier3017 Information for the public does not mean it is accurate it could just be propaganda. Only the military really knows what it can and cannot do

"drive"@@mich421

This is exactly my thoughts and this kind of thing has been going on for years to promote the abilities of aircraft and vehicles of all types. I'm tired of people fanboy'ing their favorite youtuber as a GOD of information about aircraft. GeneralLee although a good source of information, doesn't automatically mean ALL his info is right all the time. @@mich421

f15A is not even pulling the correct AOA my guy

yeah right now the su 27 is definitely the top dog tho that will surely change once the later f15´s come out with the aim120 and a much better radar

@@eskildscott7841 Or a correct flight model, because the performace of the 2 planes is very similar, F15 should not be loosing to F16s in 1 turn fights most of the time

​@@railgunduckshouldn't be losing to f16s in the one circle period. In a 2 circle yes the f16 should win bit the one. Also if you get into the hard two circle rate fight with the su27 just pop airbreak the f15s thrust will win you the nose authority to kill the su27

​@@Gyyghhhhjjjkkit is, AOA limits for the Eagle are 21.9° below 270 kts.

If we get the C model with AMRAMS though

@@skatemaster33 they said no Fox 3s this update

@@genchar692 yes but they will come later

@@skatemaster33 yeah obviously

⁠@@skatemaster33yeah, then Russia will get R-77-1😂Gaijin always buff Russia stuff

I just got the F-15 and my buddy has the Su-27 and MiG 29 smt so will be testing this with sim controls tomorrow :)

Yeah, it doesnt work because the flanker will simply whip the nose around and launch an R73 inside the circle. Until we get aim-9X it's a done deal.

@@MagentaFerretNah. Mat clearly doesn't rate that well, he had a few opportunities to just rip around that circle onto stalled su-27, the lack of rudder use is weird too. Not to say that F-15 is an excellent dogfighter, not at all, but the video is meh

you have over 200 flares for a reason.. to pre-flare

It's war thunder, what kind of argument should that be if you need a joystick to win a dogfight with the F-15 xD

Yeah no the is zero reason to use the f15a as is. The f16c does everything better.

@@siett1335 F15a yes. It's dead on arrival. F15c which is still much older than F16c blk50, correctly implemented and with correct loadouts (talking about amraams) should have much better bvr than viper. But it's war thunder. They decided to add F15a which is a downgrade to all we have in us top tier instead of F15c which could have some chance with at least tws and insane radar. It's basically what F4C is to F4E xD

Versus the su27, it out rates it (in dcs) by 1 degree/ s in a 2 circle but gets clapped in the 1 circle due to the stall performance of the 27.

@@oversizedmuffin9534 I agree, do you watch growlingsidewinder?

It's like asking what toilet paper should u use. It's about your preference bruh.

@@justingaskins3440 Oh use my hands and then lick them clean like a dog so I wouldn’t know

This is a super gimed f15. If it come into the game ther is zero reason to use it over the f16c.

no the f15 flight model is just extremely gimped at the moment, everything is subject to change

but the question is why? why do they keep doing that? Why is Russia the only one getting HMD for this patch? Why are they the only ones getting spall liners? if that's not bias, then I don't know what is

@@kentreyes7379take note russia is still the only nation with a off boresight ir missile

​@@teariom456 take note r-73 didn't have equivalents at the time of entering the service

​@@kentreyes7379I can't really comment on the tanks as I don't know if the added Nato tanks have spall liners if they do by all means add them. But the reason russia is getting a plane with an HMS is because it used it. The f15a and f15C sadly did not so I don't see how this is evidence of bias although i do agree russian ground forces is favoured. I don't know if you can say the same with air . I can only see it as giving the things what they had IRL sorta. We do need the AMRAAM the 27er can't continue standing so uncontested.

F-15 operationnal AOA envelope: 45 deg full air-to-air load without external tanks. F-16 operationnal AOA envelope: 28 deg air-to-air config. AOA is only one piece of the puzzle.

I would say the opposite actually, according to a lot of US sources everyone else's vehicles are dog shit compared to the US, but when they actually when they went up against that vehicle it turned out the other nations vehicle was extremely good, this case is found with the American French pilot practice dogfights, america claimed that their f22 was extremely good but where shot down multiple times by rafales and mirage 2000s

@russianboy9241 no credible US source says every plane is dog shit that's not American. And sure the F22 can absolutely get shot down, but at the same time when pilots train in things like the F22/F35 they have the odds heavily stacked against them. A Pilot isn't going to get much training when allowed to use a stealth aircrafts full capability against non stealth aircraft. That is why when the F22 trains with other countries it either has its stealth compromised or an enemy aircraft will start from behind it or within very close ramge in order to give its pilots worthwhile training.

was just about to say this same thing, during wargames with the f22 they are made to carry external fuel tanks and start the fight within visual range. Because if we just stomp on everyone during training noone learns anything but if we play at our absolute worst we get to plan for the what if incase for some reason that same situation comes up in a real fight. @@ruska9773

@@russianboy9241This was after several earlier mock dogfights between the aircraft, in witch the F-22 often won. Also, as someone else stated, I believe the raptor was instructed to keep its drop tanks during said fights, but I could be wrong about that. It’s not uncommon for American aircraft to limit themselves to give their training partners a better operation, and to train their own pilots on how to fight when you have some Kind of disability. This doesn’t just go for Americans either - generally anytime a country has objectively superior technology, they’ll still train as if they didn’t for the reasons earlier.

@@kem9952 they did shott down some mirage and rafales too yes, but the f22 did not have drop tanks, the US claimed that had drop tanks, which later France refuted by publicizing a video showing the f22 carrying no fuel tank, so my point still stands

Also not to mention the F/A-18A that will probably be coming soon.

You are right but also f 14 has too many missiles even if they have less performance

after youre logic the f14 is overkill too. It is its irl loudout , get over it.

That’s just basic Russian engineering, it’s not gonna change when more flankers get added 💀

then they should add most missle fail and explode at lauch and shitty radars @@thatoneguy1741

@@mich421the f14 has less missiles than the su27 lmfao you’re defending Russia so hard

No datlink isn’t a thing in war thunder

Also you gottuse the flaps

The F15 and SU27 are very close in terms of performance in a dog fight. In a flawless rate fight (meaning both aircraft maintain optimal speeds and turn) The F15 beats the SU27 by 1 degree. In a radius fight the SU27 Barely out performs the F15. I feel like if they were properly implemented it would come down to Who the better pilot was/ who knew their craft better.

@@Donut833 currently, F15 wins neither the radius fight or the rate fight. flanker just pulls in instantly, and gets solution as seen in the video. trying to swap it to a two circle fight and the F15 magically loses all its power below 650IAS and cant reach it again. and even on a top speed run, ive chased flankers from one side of the map to the other and between 450 to 1200 ias, i can beat them but you hit a speed wall once you cross 1250 and you stop accelerating unless you fly higher to use thinner air whereas the flanker just laughs at you and can pull away faster than your rip speed. funny gaijin at it again

f16c still shits on su 27 tho so its fine for now

engines are missing a lot of thrust

That doesn't work irl, in WT or even DCS where I'm assuming most of you are getting your info, the su 27 beating the eagle is realistic, they aren't equal in terms of maneuverability

@@jaek__staying at corner speed works IRL, in war thunder, and DCS. Most people don’t understand this and doing so in a prolonged fight essentially guarantees victory.

@@jordanharvey5739 doing it in WT is annoying unless you're particularly good at tapping/feathering though it will help you win if you have position and enter the rate after your opponent does

@@jaek__ it’s not that annoying, I do it all the time. If you know your fight geometry it can easily win you fights consistently

@@jordanharvey5739 it is annoying especially in some planes like the Falcon, and it's definitely annoying in comparison to SIM controls

m4k wins by a lot

@@Main-itt no, the gripen wins

@@FernandoMendonca-iq4gk no

@@ptnnnnn197 yes

@@FernandoMendonca-iq4gk no

I agree

Not true becuase the f15 a has better flight performance the c is heavier

@@treykemmerer211the f15c has better flight performance than the A..

@@adyenmurry7027 no it doesn’t lmao the f15 a is lighter with the same afterburners

@@adyenmurry7027 the f15c is heavier by like 500

It's both, it was designed as both lol, I don't know where all these f-15 isn't a dogfighter comments are coming from lol. It's goal is to use it's powerful radar to win bvr before dogfight but it can still hang.

It you know the history, the F15 was over design because the US thought the Mig 25 was a advanced dogfighter.

@@Hawkeye6941Yep the f15 is very maneuverable but still won’t be as maneuverable as the su27. It should beat migs though

It is a dogfighter IRL. And BVR.

The American aircraft design and technology has been better than russias for 50 years now.

At least compared to the Flanker. When 90% of what you're like to to fight is using MiG-23s and MiG-21s the Eagle is godlike.

they should've just added the C variant

F16 was the Meta for the past 6 months???

​@@maxstgl2991the same was with the mig 29 before the nerf

@@maxstgl2991LOL no Mig 27 has been since it has the best missiles.

@@StorlansThe f16c was meta and was considered the best fighter by everyone until the MiG 29g came out

Majority of the community plays RB, not that many people play sim comparatively

@@thatoneguy1741 and? Thats not gonna make me trust RB player's opinions on the flight models any more.

You're missing the fact that it is dev server flight model anyway and it always change to the live server

@@nicolaspeigne1429 oh, dont get me wrong im fully aware. I was just throwing that statement out there

​@@aviatorlewski9310Gaijin 'balances' the planes however they want anyways. This whole aim at irl authenticity only applies when it suits them.

It’s not that we buthurt it’s just you add a plane that was 4 mid radar missiles high no hmd and no tws while Russia has now the 6 best missles on one jet with 4 amazing ir missiles

The only good thing in us right now is the f 16 flight performance but the missiles still are nothing compared to su 27

Only reason why we mad is because we don’t only wanna use the f16 for another couple months we want to be able to use both but we can’t since f 15 will get slammed by any jet in its br

And Russia is the only country who gets hmd in updates and off boresight ir missiles which js dumb

Braindead russian mains trying to enforce the idea that they didn't dominate the past 6 months. Meanwhile everybody has to fly low to avoid the overkill R-27ER.

No?

@@maxstgl2991 Lmfao yes it is. Im not arguing with you just stating the obvious.

@@maxstgl2991 Bro we know the fact that Gaijin it’s russian, and obviously they gonna make op their planes.

@@aceofluftwaffe6444 Literally no ? The SU-27 Always was MEANT to be Superior in the air (Maneuverability), I think you mean The F-15A needs a Buff because IMO it looks rough. It honestly funny at this point watching these people be mad at "Realism".

@@Ambush_ytand even so the only 2 top tier planes su can outturn rn are 29SMT and f-15 both have a “bus” FM rn

It was designed to be a dogfighter, US thought the Mig 25 was some new advance dogfighter so the US over design it.

@@Hawkeye6941 No, it wasn't. Secondly the United States never thought the Mig-25 was a dog fighter because the characteristics were all wrong and matched up perfectly with the requirements of the F-X program of earlier decades which the F-X program was going to be a long range interdiction strike aircraft to satisfy the requirements of the interchangeability policy between the Air Force and Navy at the time. However the F-X program never came to be and the closest thing they ever came to successfully accomplishing all goals was the F-111 which wasn't adequate enough to satisfy both the Air Force's requirement of being an interdiction air superiority fighter and the navy's requirement of being a long range interceptor. Which lead to the navy developing the F-14 under the F-VFX program after the failure of the F-111B. And because soviet airforce doctrine at the time which was learned through thousands of engagements with them in Vietnam conflicted directly with U.S. air force doctrine which focused primarily on strike air craft without Air to Air capabilities at the time which lead directly to the F-4 phantom being updated to be the sole air superiority fighter aircraft by equipping it with a gun and loading it with long range missiles and a beefy radar. However because soviet doctrine was to get as close as possible as fast as possible it put the F-4 as a distinct disadvantage which is why our doctrine changed by focusing more on BVR combat and investing heavily in missile and radar technology. Which the F-15 is designed to maximize. But the TL;DR short of it is the F-15 was too fat to be a dogfighter which lead to the Fight Mafia starting the LWF program which lead to the F-16 and F/A-18 which are dog fighters.