The fact that ERA isn't modeled correctly to explode makes a lot of sense and explains why TOW2A missiles, which have warheads specifically designed to defeat ERA often fail to defeat ERA. It would have been nice to have a demonstration and comparison with western and Russian ERA to prove your Russian bias point though.

I do find it funny how on vehicles like the Leclerc AZUR to gaijin it supposedly has these giant panels of era that provide nearly no benefit over even some of the smaller tiles like contact 1

“Very nice. Impressive. Now. Let’s take a look at Russian ammo”

The annoying thing is Nato doesn't add any benefits just extra weight. Challenger 2F/TES/OEF era is like 5000kg and still doesn't stop anything. T72B3/T80BVM era only 1000kg but just eats rounds. I play all nations and have everything in top tier would just like to see better balance M1A2 v2 Sep ERA is Shit and you can't take it off.

Other things to note -Ammo carousel explosion chance is too low -Suspicious number of premiums around 10.0 BR

I put a DM53 out of an L55 into the dead center side of a T-80BVM from about 20m at a 90 degree angle recently and he just turned without stopping and one tapped me. I could not believe it. I mean we get used to these things but they do need some attention.

Also as someone who love huge caliber cannons with HE. Im pretty sure the hitbox of the top armor for RU tanks are smaller than the actual texture by a LOT.

I would be ok with Relikt in game if Russian vehicles that get it wouldn't have it come as a stock addition to the tank. Some of them have the ability to mount "extra" ERA already, and it would make more sense to have the ERA be a researchable modification altogether.

Lately I've started seeing BTR-80s pop up in my tier (I'm up to a Pershing), and while I don't have experience fighting the more modern MBTs, I will relay something that just happened today. I came across a BTR-80 parked in an open space in a town. I was perpendicular to it. Didn't see me coming. Slowed down, lined up, and shot it right in the side, more or less between where the driver and gunner would sit with a 90mm round. Probably a distance of 30m. Zilch. Not only did it start moving after this, it started firing. I lit it up with machine guns as well, which had no effect. I then shot it again, and it again did nothing to it. All of my weapons get knocked out and I'm only saved by another tank appearing behind it. The fact that an APC with less than a fraction of the armour thickness my rounds can go through can just withstand that kind of punishment is a shocking example of this faction's OP nature. They just take hit after hit that should destroy, disable, or knock the crew. I've lost crew and gun components, even an entire tank, to a shot on a drive sprocket or idler wheel. Shoot their turret point blank and its like nothing ever happened. Especially laughable when its a T-34, given the effectiveness of such tanks against Pershings in reality in Korea. I even shot an SU-100Y at point blank in its ammo storage. Twice. The animation even showing the round and debris flying through the shells inside it, and it did not catastrophically explode. The exposed crew sat there and eat .50cal ammo and kept operating as normal.

All one needs to do is what Ukraine war films in ultra high definition; and witness how well ERA is working out. Also in tank on tank combat the 125 is punching through the front slopes of Russian tanks.

Every time I get screwed by a Russian tank for no reason, I come back and watch this. (I just bounced a 128 on a T-34's hull and turret ring and an IS-2's coupola. I almost uninstalled.)

Yeah I think you nailed it on the end, purely engine limitation on how it should function, it’s hard to code especially on a game like WT, I would love to see ERA reworked

In air battles for prop planes the American planes are heavily underpowered, despite having “speed” it feels like Russian planes and sometimes German ones outclass American props almost 10 to 1, higher tier Russian jets have op missiles and they’re absolutely broken at any rating

5:50 flyer plate ERA, like Kontact-5 and Relikt, is more effective at higher angles, so that's realistic

Isn’t Ukrainian ERA on the BM OPlot shown to be massively effective via the fact it’s multiple ERA stacked upon one another? If that didn’t work, they wouldn’t use it right? I don’t know, I think we are skipping over tons of things without sources/explanation. Further more it’s angled to slice APFSDS, and HEAT charges… You said angled ERA doesn’t work… This goes against everything we’ve seen from NATO, and the Eastern Bloc nations… If ERA truly was less effective while angled we’d see squared off ERA mounts for Russian and NATO tanks where they’d look like rectangles. But they don’t. The BM Oplot is a great example because it’s one of the most well protected tanks out there. Yatagan beating it out. As far as the west maybe the Leopard 2A7. But east? If we exclude the T-14 or make it raw protection? The Oplot WINS. None of what you said would make sense. If it did, no MBT would look like, or be the way they are. There would be no Kontact 5, no Relikt, no Duplet , no Malachite, no ARAT 2, FYIV, etc. Either I’m confused, or there are some massive mis assumptions/over simplifications in this video. I’m not sure. But pls explain thoroughly, because it isn’t tracking for me at least based on what we’ve seen.

ERA works better than head on, it imparts more energy onto the penetrating projectile. Increasinh effectiveness, it's why it's angled on the tanks.

your videos are so nice and calming to watch

ERA does provide a lot of protection in real life, especially modern ERA with dual plates being effective against APFSDS. In some places war thunder fails to model the functionality of ERA correctly but aside from a few instances of it overperforming (ERA needs to be less effective at a flat angle, Nearly all of the protection of dual plate ERA relies on increasing the amount of material in the way of a penetrator, angle is necessary for this) IMO its a passable representation. I also think that the overperformance is more of a modeling error on ERA itself than intentional Russian bias. Outside of the soviet tree, ERA is not nearly as common; thus most of the bullshit happens when dealing with Russian vehicles (not to mention the fact that Russia has such a large top tier lineup). If they fixed the angle issue, ERA would be a lot more fair than it is right now; I would say balanced. Yes, WT cannot simulate it realistically, but it needs to be effective in WT because in real life ERA represents an incredible increase in protection over plain armor. I think that the idea of an 'ERA resistance' stat for projectiles could definitely do a lot as well, but to me the most optimal solution seems to be to both fix the angle problem and to improve the game engine itself-something WT desperately needs anyways. IMO there is plenty of more crucial bullshit that counts for Russian bias. I would love to see more videos in this series!

If Im right, most modern NATO rounds, are designed around defeating russian ERA, In which most darts can go right through, Look at Ukraine as an example.

8:00 there are no APFSDS with actual counters to heavy ERA in War Thunder. People have been trying to claim that DM53 does but that's not really the case

Heat and EFP charges are very , very different , do a quick search😅

This NEEDS to get more attention

By how it's presented in the video, it seems like you're saying that "light" ERA effects shaped charges simply by exploding. All types of ERA have flyer plates, even "light" ones (with some rare exceptions like Duplet), with the difference being the thickness of the plates.

HEAT. Uses plasticity and pressure to make a really really hard fluid out of the copper. The extreme environment the copper is in makes it really high pen in a TIG/MIG like environment. In fact think of HEAT as a really really REALLY angry TIG/MIG welding, with a 10km/s feed rate. For laymans.

The bags should not be Relitik, Relitik requires the 2 Flier plates.

The amount of MiG 21s in the game is fucking ridiculous

what do you mean in 2:50? From what I get you saaying ERA cannot stack or normal armor? I mean I'm asking that because we have ERA that is Stacked by design, named Ukranian duplet, now we don't know how well that works but its the thinking

My hot take: there is no nation defining bias of any kind but rather an overreliance on badly modeled and implemented mechanics/systems. When russian ammo doesnt detonate when struck everyone looses their mind but then a Leopard or godforbid an Abrams does the same noone bats an eye, further more - good crews can survive fuel tank detonation in the fighting compartment and still be able to operate the tank so don't be surprised when shooting the lower plate on an T-80 You only take out the driver, set the tank of fire, maybe get a mobility kill and then die because the guy shot You

just started watching so maybe you will mention it. but up until the update that added spall liners... High hardness rolled armor generate little to no secondary spall. guess what the armor that protects the ammo rack of the T series MBTs is made of? HHRA. On top of ERA on the sides eating a lot of the shots energy. HHRA is singlehandedly the reason for them surviving so well for so long. Obviously this doesn't even go into how K5 and Relict on the front of the tank protect the Russian MBTs from the initial penetrating shot. its essentially a jail out of free card. Kudos to the Russians for creating KERA but in game that almost always concludes in the Russians getting the upper hand if the opponent does not shoot them in 1 of two front weakspots. one of both of which result in the HHRA of the turret bustle being hit and generating no spall. this is why you can shoot a T80 in the LFP and the round goes clean through the entire length of the tank without damaging anything but the engine and killing the driver.

In general there are wonky things (like ERA and RNG involved in ricochets) that benefit some vehicles per nation at some brs. Russia is unique in that disproportionately many Russian vehicles benefit from most of the RNG and jank at every br. Until recently, top tier vehicles used to start with HEAT rounds and you had to grind to get a rod, while Russian top tier vehicles are disproportionately covered in ERA. Curious.

It's a Bolshevik game. What do you expect?

Incorporating high tech post war vehicles and weapons should never have occurred because the game engine and general game design, including maps, is incapable of supporting them realistically.

pantsir pisses me off the most.

Can agree with majority of the stuff except for these: 4:01 if what you say is true then anyone who ever used claymores would need their legs amputated, but they haven't. Its almost like backplates for directed explosives do something. Skipping shells off of Relikt (and such) will have better results than if it was direct. The devs said this themselves and simulations show it aswel. You're effectively increasing the angle at which the projectile impacts while at the same time applying counter force. This would lead to 'bouncing' AP shots off the sides at greater angles because by the time it comes into contact with the actual armor, the velocity is lost. Also you forgot that some vehicles do double stacks of heavy ERA on the front plates. Overall if they were to fix it, it would become a one shot thing (as it should) but it would increase the effective armor by maybe 30% than what it already was. It gains something and loses something so im in.

You guys need to realize that there is no "Russian bias" the game is fuckey and has bugs/glitches everywhere. ERA is not modeled properly so it just counts as extra armor/ERA. volumetric causes a lot of the problems not with just Russian tanks US tanks German tanks and every tank in the game. you guys need to stop making "Russian Bias" a thing and start telling Gaijin to fix volumetric and the ERA models.

Shhhhhhhhh -T80UD purchaser

Well most Russian “ERA” in Ukraine is just rubber blocks, which actually provide more protection than you think since rubber is literally NERA, but it is not nearly as effective as actual ERA

I do thing there is Bias in this game but in a different way. 1. The only thing i can say was "Russian Bias" as all refeer is the Bakelite on some russian Props 2. Yes there is "Russian Bias" but this is more about some mecanics that gaijin do not add until a russian vehicle has it (amphibius vehicles, smoke granades, etc) and others that were added only to russian vehicles and take time to add to other nations even when they had it. 3. The other instance of "Russian Bias" was the fact they need to add a russian vehicle per update no mater what and with the old event system there was always a russian vehicle. (Germany and USA do not always get them) 4. Everything outside that is either "Premium Bias" (When they add overpowered premiums to waithing to players to buy them and then nerf them) wich happen in every nation (this is often agravated by they shitty BR system/balance algorithm) [We cannot forget the existance of planes like the xp-50 or the wyvern or tanks like the SAV.20.18.48 or the VIDAR. Obviusly there are Russian examples Su-11 and Mig-15Bis ISH and the 2s38 ], this also happen when they add a new vehicle (but not that often) but is a way to lure players to grind a new nation (Same with some event vehicles) 5. Everything else is confirmation BIAS caused by gaijin broken mecanics/bugs. ERA eating bullets [VOLUMETRICS/BAD CODE], Ammo not exploding [Not only a Toptier problem it happend in all BRs with a lot of vehicles outside russia, in the comments someone put an explanation], The IS series dont die to bombs [IDK what happen there lol], AIM-7 being bad [Skill issue/server issue, is a 50/50 sometimes is because you did an awfull launch other is because the hamster died, this also affect R-24 and R-27ER but because the R-27ER has the ability to relock the target you can save it]

Just look at the state of top tier air and try to tell me there is russian bias

so game engine limitations and simplified modelling is russian bias now. got it. i am looking forward to the next episodes of this series, because if they will be like this one, you will make a big fool out of yourself. there is no russian bias in the game. for 10 or so years people were screaming this, yet nobody could every give any kind of evidence, not even a small one. when they tried, it turned out to be their own skill issue and/or lack of game knowledge. (oh, let's just ignore the fact, that china has heavy ERA too)

lol a cope channel

Nope there is no bias Yes ERA's are modelled incorrectly but gameplay wise they dont matter much.

Hi love youre vid I completely agree to the things you talked about in the video. There are two things that whould also help the bias in my eyes. First is do you judge a tank by its design or how it was produced, this mainly effect ww2 Russia and late war Germany both countries especially at the end of war had production issues in steel quality (Russia treated too hot - > harder but often break at even lighter forces, germany not having alloys avaliable). Second is the problem of obscuring information russia tents to increase performance of their equipment while nato does the opposite saying there equipment can do less. This naturally leads to a Russian bias since the official sources say so, wich is understandable but frustrating. Sorry for any writing mistakes English isn't my first language and im dyslexic Thanks for reading this

Still crying about that ? No complains about how garbage to fight a sweedy leos ?