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Warframe has a lot of bandaid solutions, its what 90% of augments are and why so many frames have mandatory augments.

TLDW version: I like that it exists, I don't like why it exists. Watch the video in full for detailed reasoning as to why.

Helminth is a symptom of a larger problem which is frames being too weak to survive steel path without it. The problem is ultimately steel path and the scaling of it, not the frames or the helminth system itself. In base star chart nobody would waste resources making their overpowered thing, more overpowered, but steel path changes all the maths. If you weren’t planning on doing steel path I would skip the helminth altogether. Just my opinion.

Warframe has so many systems at this point I lost track. Helminth itself has like 3 in 1

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Keep in mind the game is 10 years old and there are 55 frames and more coming always (4/year on average). I doubt they have the resources to go back on that many frames and make every weak ability shine. Especially when the game is ever evolving and an ability they reworked today may need to be reworked again in 3 years anyways. They also can only do so many types of abilities too. Do they have to give every frame a unique flavor of armor strip/energy regen/health regen/crowd control/damage buff/status cleanse.. etc. Or just make one of each a helminth and let player decide which type works best on the frame they wanna improve. I like this compromise we have with the helminth. The devs can make actual new content and I don't have to wait years for a frame I like to get chosen for a rework.

Its not an Helminth issue if you ask me but more of less good option in general. Example Nourish gives Viral/Energy and before that exist, the only way to get tons of energy with low efficiency build is Arcane Energize,Zenurik or Trinity (Or warframes im too lazy to list) I could pick Breach Surge for more damage or Banshee silent for CC to eximus in exchange i have to get Energize in the build. But do i have the time/patience to grind Eidolon to maximize or tons of plats to buy energize cause drop rate is low as hell. (Yes, Cavia exist to transmute for others arcane but that doesn't excuse how rare that thing is to open one still) And Corrosive weapon build + Viral nourish is just too good of a damage combo and personally more fun than wait Viral + Slash tick if you ask me I can see that they rectifying that problem like newer players have new aura mod to combat energy problem without making them OP at the start and we have archon shard giving as equilibrium. Corrosive + Radiation + Cold is another new way method of dealing damage because of new Cold Proc giving little crit damage and a standalone radiation mod which reduce the slot and capacity So my take for this is that they fix it. Slowly. But i rather take slow and some new stuff than nothing to be addressed with realistic resource they have in hand.

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i use ice wave with archon flow for kullervo. i can freeze my enemies with it and go for the kill for collective curse/wrathful advance. if one of those enemies drop an energy orb archon flow's property will proc.

I feel like most people forget most of the frames are from pre sp. Most have good kits for that and specialize for something. Helminth helps frames to give them diffirent building styles and most actually make them good in comparison to others. Like garuda example, shes definetly not ment to health tank and is ment for melee, yet with helminth you can make her do other content which she wouldnt normaly be able to do which is amazing. Helminth really isnt the issue here tbh. Seems most people are only interested in Meta and dont like to play other frames cos of x. Now if helminth were to get removed, most would just play couple frames cos no point in playing others. Also so many frames would need to get reworked and then they all would be pretty much the same. So in short, the issue is sp more than helminth, Old frames dont scale with their kits that arent ment to go that far. You enjoy playing x frame but you are missing armor strip? no worries, you can helminth it in instead of having to play frame you dislike/dont have. Tbh, id rather see unique builds instead of same Meta loadouts. Ps. Also the problem seems to be building a kit and understanding abilitys itself too it seems. Calling garudas 4th, passive and melee the only good thing on her kit is dump imo. Her 1st is amazing survivability and nuke, 2nd can heal in survival/defence quite nicely, its not ment to be used in exterminate and can be switched to more agressive playstyle with helminth etc, 3rd gives you pretty much unlimited energy, and 4th is good for nuking and scales nicely with helminth.

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dispensary on icewave is bad since nourish exists, another thing is that icewave is far better than freeze on frost so just subsume his 1st ability for nourish rather than 2 since both of those abilities have the same functionality just one is better since its AoE instead of Single Target with a much smaller AoE Nekros Soul Punch is just kicking a dead horse cause of how old Nekros' kit actually is Dread Mirror's Execute Threshold shouldn't be removed since if you're just relying on seeking talons you're already using her ineffectively and saying that Blood Altar is worth subsuming off for something else would just be like purposely stubbing your toe and wondering why it hurts Containment wall is actually a good grouping ability with the upside of giving damage vulnerability and Disometric Guard is more or less the same thing as Baruuk's Desolate Hands just on a different frame that can actually be sustained without having to be recast aswell is more an upside than a downside

Qorvex had Oberon at home energy

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frost can get energy back with archon flow btw

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I know this is irrelevant to the video but, I really want to know what is the frame they are using at the start of the video

Also it helps you hit harder than the enemy if you mod right. Same as any other build concept game

You started off strong and then lost the plot. These work arounds that build a road around the car accident, are least found in the helmith system. This would have been a great point when talking about mods. Surefooted type mods probably shouldn't even exist but nether should enemy loss of player control abilities. Stupid endgame players said the ai was too dumb and easy so the game is filled with cancer that removes your ability to play or do things. So they put this mod in for the new players and then all the end game players used the mod of their own free will and said the same thing as before. Same for rolling guard same for adaptation, same for every mod that is used really. You can make the game challenging by playing with no mods or no weapons, or no operator, or no necromec, and so on. Getting the parts for basic Grendel is basically the endgame. The helmith system is a great idea it's just being used wrong. All you meta slaves are just putting on nourish or gloom or roar or dispensary on everyone. You all just sit in your echo chambers telling each other the same thing. Just about every ability is useful. Your warframes have loadout slots, you can make different loadouts. I have like 4 loadouts for every frame average. Each 1 has a different ability different augment and different playstyle with a different helmith on it. None of them are unfun or unused. I have an icewave frost and you know what its fun as fuck to zoom through with vial rush and slow everything with icewave augment. Slows works on overshields and cold has 2 amazing arcanes for weapons and naturally gives a crit bonus. That build can go to level cap no problem, just don't expect the ability to 1 shot stuff above lvl 100. Your expectation is your mistake. Yea you picked the very worst of something and used it as a strawman like you could with any game ever made, but it's still useable on frost. If you had picked subsumed banish. It has a use, on saryn make your decoy and banish it now it taunts and never dies at lvl cap. Your welcome. All the armor strip abilities have a different best use and are totally viable. Guess what you lose value when in a party with more then 1 player using nourish, because its a party buff. If you use nourish for energy and so dose your partied vauban friend, he would be better off subsuming lycanth's hunt so he could generate the orbs for your noursh and still get your viral, because bastille locks everything in place for guaranteed headshots, and he can collapse it and melee them all for health orbs if that is needed. My garuda tanks on 1hp completely unkillable, uses blood alter just for energy, this build and playstyle cannot be done with any other ability or arcane in the game. Dread ward blocks damage the direction you are facing not "the front" in my case it's literally everything because I'm looking down and everything is down except the blood alter target I suspend next to me. Gloom in the air doesn't hit the things on the floor. Blood alter is not just amazing on garuda if you know how to play her, it's amazing on inaros or nydus too. It's the strongest heal in the game due to it's power strength scaling % heal. I know you think gloom is always better but when your up against 20x lvl cap nullifiers your dealing no damage and stealing no hp. I know you think air burst is the obvious choice for grouping but your wrong, gyres ability is better in 99.9% of cases because of the archon streach. Nydus's ability is also decent with the augment if your character has trouble with corpus, add the lightning arcane to any melee weapon are poison is now 1 of the elements you spread to the entire map. You would never get rid of diosymetric guard because it's not rolling guard it's also primed surefooted, and makes u immune stagger also (infested), it's worth using for the magnetic immunity alone (duvri circuit) or the toxic immunity alone (infested) but right there it just saved you 4 mod slots. Use the correct weapon on qorvex and containment wall is his best grouping tool. Literally read his passives and tooltip, k thx. If a frame had an ability that just said gives you 4 mod slots with no capacity cost it would instantly be the best ability in the game. Helmith is the best thing to every happen to warframe. I would have quit this game a long time ago if it didn't have options for variety and builds.

They can create new viable builds which makes the game more interesting so it both provides benefits and acts as a bandaid

Same thing for warframes abusing mechanics that were not part of their kit originally, like shield gating, shield based frames were known for having no survivability, now everyone can use pillage and people talk about how shield gating ruins the game by ignoring mechanics (armor / health) that used to be better than shields. Helminth is fun for builds (except when every build you see uses nourish), but I hate how they use it as a excuse for not buffing lesser performing warframes. In the past they were just reworking everyone into having 90% dmg reduction or an iron skin esc ability which is also a lazy way of doing it. Personally, I think the helminth system takes the individuality of warframes away.

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Helminth is use to make the characters a bit better for enemies in STEEL PATH 120+ enemies

Issues with the Helminth aside, you're using Garuda extremely wrong. Yes her Talons are great, but you're meant to use all four of her abilities together. You use Dread Mirror to stop damage from the front, Blood Altar to regen your health, Bloodletting to turn your Health into energy, and Seeking Talons for your damage. This way you never have your back to the enemy, Slash destroys them, and you have essentially infinite energy as long as Blood Altar is active while Dread Mirror tanks all the damage for you. At least, this is the way she was designed. If you want to play her a different way, then claim she's not good at the way you're trying to use her because some of her abilities don't work the way you want them to work, that's not an issue with her that's an issue with you. Could she be made more versatile? Absolutely. But she was designed a certain way and sadly her Talons were clearly an afterthought as they don't count as melee weapons for missions that require you to have a melee weapon equipped and there's no way to switch to them if you have another melee weapon equipped. Could she be reworked? Of course. In fact I would love to see a rework for her. But to say her abilities are just bad because you're trying to play her differently than intended is just ignorant. I've done level cap with her, no problems. She's amazing just the way she is. All that being said, here's another Helminth issue with her: it's great to put Thermal Sunder on instead of either her 1 or 4 because you get infinite energy from her 2 and 3, to nuke stuff. Which is often what I prefer to do if it's something like Defense or Mobile Defense, because Thermal Sunder can hit behind me and cover a larger area. So even on this frame with an amazing kit that you really shouldn't replace, you still can and it'll work better in some instances. Which is sad. The only time you should replace her 2 or her 3 are for a movement ability like Reave if you're in Exterminate or something, to get through the mission faster, but that's not what she's designed for.

Every frame should have an ability that either negates damage/damage suppression or an ability that heals

Most of the mechanics we are using today were considered bugs. Most of the good stuff is completely unintentional by DE. Most of the fixes are bandaids and don't solve half of the problem. Even the language is broken... Create a Kuva leech and get the weapon on Ru language client. And then change it back to English, the name will be broken. And it won't show you *drum roll* the part that was in English on Ru client... Like there are at least 2 different English languages in the game.

your lip smacking distracts me i couldnt pay attention much. i do agree that tgere are issues but it is what it is

This is a really bad, very shallow take. It's like you only took the system at surface level and went no further. You only talk about two meta helminth abilities and nothing else at all. You don't mention that helminth can be used to create entirely new play styles for frames. For instance with Garuda she has a breach surge build that is absolutely insane. Hildryn has a helminth build that makes her and her party invincible. And there's loads of other things helminth can be used to do that are unique or game changing. And I wanna touch on the bad "abilities" in a base kit. It's actually a GREAT thing that you used Qorvex since his example is easily rebutted. Not every warframe needs to have an ability that "mechanically" functions optimally. It's actually good that abilities are designed from a flavor standpoint first and foremost, then mechanics second. His wall ability is a wonderful example of this. Yes, he could have some ability that just zoops enemies up into a ball like Nidus, but the way the ability works now is evocative of the fantasy they want to shoot for. They knew he needed a grouping ability to make his 4 easier to land and the one they went with looks really awesome as far as playing into the idea they wanted to create with him. Is it the best grouping ability in the game? No, not at all. Is it unusable? Again, not at all. It works on it's own, just not as well as perhaps you'd like. You could certainly keep it in the kit and helminth some thing else. As far as the older bad abilities on the warframes of yore, well, there's just not much to say. They were created in another era, the devs not understanding what their game would turn into. Back in the day Frost was considered the best frame in the game because he allowed people to protect defense objectives near infinitely. Nowadays the game has evolved into some thing completely different and Frost is utterly irrelevant to the game at all. So, with the way the game is played changing, certain frames and their abilities just don't work within the current game play loop. Of course we also have abilities that even back then people were just like why? Valkyr's 1 is obviously one that you'd point out here. These are abilities that are so bad that there's nothing to save them. Yeah, we don't know what they were smoking when they put them on a frame, but at the very least we can say there's not that many of them in the game and they're mostly relegated to the old frames. If you're only using helminth as a band-aid and not as a way to open up your gameplay ever further then that's a you problem, most likely because you've become a meta slave. I don't know you at all, first video I've seen from you, but if the only thing you can talk about is how people only use nourish and gloom then you're delusional. I haven't even seen gloom in a pub in months. Maybe once or twice.

Pretty much all of this video is just the take of someone who seems misinformed or doesn't understand the interactions of various abilities. Try expanding your knowledge base by watching other popular warframe creators theorycrafting builds and testing them out, there are several people who do it and make ridiculously good builds with the most obscure frame/weapon/helminth/companion combinations. A lot of your statements about how some abilities are just garbage and nobody uses them are just so off base it's more annoying than funny. For example, Nekros soul punch is the only way you can control the shadows you create and in doing so you can actually create a functional army of shadows as opposed to an army of 6 frost eximus that block all of your guns from shooting... his 4 is arguably more useless and even problematic in long-form group content because shadows distract and spread out enemies making them harder to kill. Garuda's blood altar has neat interactions with other frames and abilities that can allow you to chain nuke entire rooms of enemies with on-death explosions of %health damage. You have spent so much time talking about abilities that you seem to have looked at for 5 minutes and think you know everything about them.

This is DE in a nutshell. They want to do as little work as possible on absolutely everything. If you need proof. Ask yourself this. What is unique about The plains, orb vallis, and Deimos, besides the aesthetic. Nothing. There is nothing unique about any of them except pointless things like the k board, which is dead content. It's the same gameplay in all of them. And then ask yourself this. Why is the foundry basically the main system keeping your progressing, but everything is such a fucking grind and they put those fish parts or ones into as much as possible because its literally just a time sink to pad out the game. Heres the problem they really eant to change without doing work. You can get to "endgame" in 20 hours of playing. I did it. I have an account with 86 hours and im done every quest and I'm on steel path. I have all of the galvanized mods before i have some basic mods like continuity. But DE is lazy and incompetent. So instead of making good and unique content, they look for the copy and paste button as much as they can.

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