Warframe - Incarnons are Better than Rivens

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McJäger Gaming

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@jazzyjswift
@jazzyjswift 4 ай бұрын
Lol my Phenmor Riven laughs in your general direction.
@MarkLangdahl
@MarkLangdahl 4 ай бұрын
It's hardly either/or... I have a riven for my Felarx. And that bumps the capability of that gun quite significantly... Getting -crit chance to go with Devouring Attrition is just awesome...
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
This sounds like a some what rare synergy to pull off. Thanks for sharing.
@MarkLangdahl
@MarkLangdahl 4 ай бұрын
@@mcjagergaming I probably just got lucky... Got it on my sixth roll. Roughly +50% to projectile speed, cold and fire rate and -40% to crit chance. Only slight problem is that the cold gives a little to high weight to viral compared to slash. I guess you can't expect to have everything...
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
@@MarkLangdahl That's just RNG.
@sonsoffishes1
@sonsoffishes1 4 ай бұрын
Technically, Rivens were made to encourage people to play weapons that are not being played, not the strength of the weapon. The disposition is directly linked to the playtime the weapon was getting.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
The popularity trends tend to being weaker. People use certain weapons on account of them being fun to use, strong against enemies, and or feels good. So yeah popularity is key, but the majority of weapons that are popular are really strong. Regardless, the same isn't usually the case for the weapons with higher dispositions. Not to say that they can't be good because viral, slash.
@inazumanokami28749
@inazumanokami28749 4 ай бұрын
I SUPPORT THE GRIND only my shorts have gotten anything past like 20 sum views but keep going brother!
@Abkimb
@Abkimb 4 ай бұрын
I would like to get an incarnon version of the quellor (my beloved). It already has an alt fire but I say they should make it so that u can switch the incarnon on and off in the mod menu. As for the incarnon we should just focus on the alt fire by speeding it with more crit or give it death ball like the latron incarnon or the Trumana
@CupidSmurf657
@CupidSmurf657 17 күн бұрын
Baza was my favorite weapon for awhile
@Youniversou1
@Youniversou1 4 ай бұрын
I really like your perspective
@Zamerus
@Zamerus 4 ай бұрын
I have a riven on my incarnon burston... Its not exactly a one or the other type of situation
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
Maybe so. But the incarnons in general are better than rivens, also alot easy to balance. Also the incarnon can vastly change the weapons usage. Thank you for imput.
@dejavureal
@dejavureal 4 ай бұрын
I think you should be able to spend some amount of Kuva (1000 x # of rolls, for example) to lock a stat on a riven, positive or negative, and have that carry over to future rolls until you toggle it off. I don't care how much it would saturate the market, Kuva is virtually a cosmetic resource outside of Riven rolling and I think we're overdue for some QoL. The only time you get to spend Kuva outside of Rivens and one-time crafts like cosmetics or weapons, Frames, and Frame parts, is 500 Kuva once every 8 weeks for an Umbra Forma. You can't even feed it to the helminth.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
I completely agree being able to lock in at least on stat would be so much more healthy. Ghost of Tsushima Legends has a mechanics like that in its gear rolling.
@Jay-eo5sx
@Jay-eo5sx 4 ай бұрын
They are better. I think the point of rivens is just to weigh a certain stat in your favour in a way that you couldn't normally with normal mods. Maybe you have a specific gun with super high crit chance but very low base crit damage really would benefit from a riven, that sort of idea
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
I understand that. But with normal meta (viral, slash) it really doesn't matter how good your riven is. If meta doesn't change then they will just stay generic stat increases. Unless we are talking about melee or stat sticks, rivens really don't seem to serve a purpose imo. Thank you for the imput.
@twilightgaming5023
@twilightgaming5023 4 ай бұрын
I basically view rivens as amalgam mods. They have potential to outright replace up to 2-3 mods on a build depending on the stats you get. They're basically a utility investment with a case by case usage. Being able to mod for prime shred + toxin, or Crit delay + vital sense + toxin, in a single mod, is a MASSIVE space saver and utility asset. So while Incarnons may be better at making old weapons more refreshing, Rivens allow you to outright replace or supplement many mods on a build and custom tailor a weapon.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
@@twilightgaming5023 I completely agree. I'm just not a fan of how they were implemented. Incarnons are better but not every weapon needs one of course. It's also far more accessible since getting a riven for a weapon you want is RNG, and getting a role you want is RNG.
@Youniversou1
@Youniversou1 4 ай бұрын
Please make helmith video
@Sal-fg3rs
@Sal-fg3rs 4 ай бұрын
Kill dargyn in flight using a bow, while aim gliding, with a Hobbled Deagon Key equipped. O.o
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
True, some of those challenges are very dumb.
@allan_a6265
@allan_a6265 4 ай бұрын
And to think that there are people who pay up to 25k plat for a riven is wild, I once said in trade chat: “rivens should not cost more than 1k plat, change my mind” and 3 sweaty pants went straight into my dms telling me how wrong I was, when I tried asking for a reason as to why they were so expensive not a single one of them could give me one, and every sentence almost felt like I was getting spit through the screen😂
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
The "argument" your most likely to hear is "it took so much time getting all the kuva" ... sooo yeah figure that one out.
@Shwrecked
@Shwrecked 4 ай бұрын
it's mostly the rarity and demand of good rivens
@TheStrayHALOMAN
@TheStrayHALOMAN 4 ай бұрын
I agree, I still love rivens because I actually use the obscure guns more like the tysis and viper but incarnons are just the better thing in the game.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
I only hope we continue to get more. Thanks for the comment.
@jasonbisdead
@jasonbisdead 4 ай бұрын
Wait. Rivens work with Incarnons. What?
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
Yes, yes they do. Do with that information as you will.
@jacobheller3146
@jacobheller3146 4 ай бұрын
Darksouls playthrough when?
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
It's been over a year Jacob... so probably never.
@wy100101
@wy100101 4 ай бұрын
This whole video is being mad at min/max end end game grind stuff. rivens are fine. No one needs them, but it gives people who are obsessed with the perfect min-maxed weapon and are happy to endlessly grind for it. It just sounds like you aren't the audience for rivens. Also, rivens work with incarnons. It isn't like they are mutually exclusive. Is that needed? No but most of this stuff isn't needed. I can go to level cap without either rivens or incarnons. You give off this pretty negative "people who don't play the way I think it should be played are stupid/wrong" energy, and it is pretty off putting. I'm never going to spend a bunch of time grinding rivens but I don't care about people who enjoy it. It doesn't hurt me at all. Live and let live my guy.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
Not my intention, the point I was trying to make was that Rivens are often referred to as a band aid fix. Imo it's a pretty bad fix where as Incarnons were hand crafted for those weapons. I completely agree you don't need any of it. The only real issue I have with Rivens are Market Value lmao. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
@wy100101
@wy100101 4 ай бұрын
@@mcjagergaming but a band-aid fix for what exactly? We are so ridiculously powerful that you don't actually need either rivens or incarnons. Both are basically different flavors of min/maxing. Rivens are well past the point of diminishing returns where it takes a huge amount of effort relative to the benefit, but who cares since you can easily wreck level cap without it? I like rivens for the sheer variety of stack packages you can get, and I like incarnons because they have fun mechanics, but you don't actually need either of them.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
@@wy100101 Noted. The Incarnons were made for weapons that "under perform", but you can still get a riven for what ever else, minus the disposition. And just because somthing is passed off as viable, and or decent. That still doesn't make it good. For example Latron before Incarnon. So to your point yeah technically none of this is necessary. But because is does exist it gives you more variety. Than just running around with the same 3 Kuva weapons. I'll just say I have a preference to Incarnons, and would like to see more in future. But thank you for sharing your perspective.
@wy100101
@wy100101 4 ай бұрын
@@mcjagergaming I think everyone wants more incarnons. I suspect they take a lot of work, but more would be awesome.
@toxicreflexes7236
@toxicreflexes7236 4 ай бұрын
They never intended to make bad weapons good, disposition is purely based on popularity and not how good a weapon is. Rivens are the finishing touches of a build and the disposition being higher with unpopular weapons is only an incentive for people to try out less popular weapons that may been overlooked before. And yes incarnon adapters are good but no its not comparable to what a riven can do. All in all they are completely separate and the only people that ever complain about rivens are the people with no good ones imo, but you are clearly still new though so there's time for you to learn about rivens and min maxing builds in the future just enjoy the journey bro
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
Incarnons ultimately change the weapons. A riven can't do that in the slightest. I honestly don't care if some one uses one or not. It's just a band aid fix for older / unpopular weapons. That was intent the video. I'm sure I came off a bit ranty at some points. But the statement I was making that Incarnons are a better fix to the band aid problem. PS I have like 1300 hours in the game lmao. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
@attila5221
@attila5221 4 ай бұрын
@@mcjagergaming incarnon are also band aids, giving a bouncy ball of doom attachment to a latron doesn't make the latron good, the bouncy balls of doom are good, the latron itself is only there to charge the magazine, rivens at least go off of the actual gun at hand, incarnong give you a whole new gun. rivens are make up, and incarnons are a goddamn plastic surgery. it's not even a band aid, more like new gun that doesn't even give mr.
@toxicreflexes7236
@toxicreflexes7236 4 ай бұрын
@@mcjagergaming 1300 hours but you still don't use a maxxed out primary deadhead on your best primary? also you don't even have primed mods. and yes rivens can very much change a weapon, certain weapons with -imp or -pun can fix a weapons ips weighting and turn it into a monster for slash damage and some incarnons are just underwhelming, i do agree its an amazing system but i just don't think its the same as a riven they are in 2 completely different categories one changes the weapons function completely and the other is just a mod
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
@@toxicreflexes7236 I have plenty of primed mods. And the arcane thing has to do with trading. I'm constantly getting complete sets and trade them. I honestly don't even need them for DMG increases lol. But yes rivens can potentially make a weapon stronger, but on average it doesn't matter especially with Viral Slash. Thanks for the roast.
@toxicreflexes7236
@toxicreflexes7236 4 ай бұрын
@@mcjagergaming viral slash is strong, but you keep saying it doesn't matter and it does, your crit damage and bade damage will scale the slash procs higher and give way more dps, and about the arcanes i get it i do so much steel path i just give away primary and secondary arcanes for free sometimes i can give you one too if you would like. and im sorry if it came across as a roast i was just trying to point out that you have areas to improve on in the build before you should even look into getting a riven for the weapon
@nativenight
@nativenight 4 ай бұрын
I roll my rivens to either make up for a shortcoming without losing out on damage. Or combine 2+ mods into one.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
As you should. Thank you for commenting.
@DragonCaller1
@DragonCaller1 4 ай бұрын
Okay so I sold a burston Riven for 1200 plat, So I suppose i conned someone out of plat right? Wrong first off the rolls were possibly the best rolls you would want CC, CD, PT. Only thing that made it less plat is the fact it had less mag size which was it's downside. Well you possibly say next that isn't worth that amount even if you got such rolls well what i say next may in fact change your mind because if anything given the amount of kuva spent on it I was the one that got the short end of the stick here. So before you start saying that those selling Rivens at such prices are only scamming perhaps next time think before you actually speak thanks. The last 12hrs today I was flooded with people wanting that exact riven but calling me a scammer. Not only because of videos like your but many others. Kuva weapons are close to or on par with incarnon weapons or at least some are, All farmable. Also Just heads up Warframes are by far the most contributing factor when looking at power creep in the game.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
1200 plat is like 50 - 60 USD$ so yeah a MOD being worth a AAA game is dumb as hell to me, sorry not gonna change that opinion. If someone wants it enough I'm sure they'll pay for it. But imo that's just outrageous. And yes Warframe are major point to the Power Creep but the "meta" and overall attitude towards the game has shifted. For example Shield Gating. AOE weapons have heavily contributed to this shift aswell. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
@attila5221
@attila5221 4 ай бұрын
incarnons are pretty much new guns inheriting riven dispos off of old guns rivens are just mods, not weapons making a comparison for rivens vs galvanized mods would've been more logical, that said, still pointless, since you can do both on one build.
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for saying what I was trying to in 1 paragraph, that took me 20 minutes of rambling.
@Zamerus
@Zamerus 4 ай бұрын
And now that i got to your argument at 6 minutes or so in.. n-no an incarnon's buffs are weaker and lower than a riven buff, (with the exception of the 2 zeramin ones with that 2k% damage bonus). Your stance comes across pretty weak with that point.. and i personally have more kuva than i need and i havent touched kuva missions since the year they released. And that year i did 6 low level kuva syphons... Still your free to play how you like, and im not going to try and stop you from modding or try to be some elitist who says you must have a riven. But rivens arent useless, or gatcha. Gatcha requires real money.. not a free farmable currency
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
Kuva is mostly useless out side of Rivens. And rolling a Riven a few hundred times can be very expensive. Further more comparing the Boar, Strun, Latron, ext... the Incarnon transformations are way stronger than any riven you can get PERIOD. Admittedly not all Incarnon are as strong as them, but if the base line for Incarnons are the Lex, and Boltor. The Incarnons will be stronger. As far as I am aware there is no Riven combo that can turn a generic weapon into a nuke launcher Imo the Incarnon is just a "final form" of the weapon. The only benefit the Riven has you can put it on Incarnon weapons. Thanks for a response.
@twilightgaming5023
@twilightgaming5023 4 ай бұрын
By this logic, using your exact working about rivens incarnons are arguably more power creep then rivens. Rivens simply give stat patching or massive utility. Incarnons completely blew all previous meta out of the water, and are utterly unparalleled by just about every single prior meta weapon. Rivens never really did they, they simply just shifted the scale slightly. While I agree that incarnons are the better way to make weapons viable, they're absolutely more power creep, by literal definition, then rivens@@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming
@mcjagergaming 4 ай бұрын
@@twilightgaming5023 I appreciate your different perspective. And I would have to say yes you are right about that.
@Apollo_91
@Apollo_91 4 ай бұрын
@zamerus gacha doesn't require money lol...
@Zamerus
@Zamerus 4 ай бұрын
@@Apollo_91 well that's how it's always presented to me, it is stated with that being the explicit reason gacha is bad. So forgive me for only ever hearing about gacha as a scam and not a free stat roll in a game
@mainfound626
@mainfound626 4 ай бұрын
I agree
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