That would be fascinating!

HUGE agree

Great suggestion!

I'm sure she is already planning on it

That would be cool

Same… my gosh ❤

Wow i've been thinking the same.

I'd resubscribe to Netflix just for Erin!

If she wrote a book I would buy that so fast too!

Same

So we did actually try it in candlelight but i decided to drop the scene from the video. We actually could not see any difference at all, other than one was shinier, greasier just as you see when I try on my hand. My only conclusion is that lead would lighten/whiten but it was undetectable on the skin. It didn’t look at all like makeup. Because it had the skincare benefits may be in part why they used it. I’m not sure if we’ll ever know. Will pin 📌your comment to update that we tried in candlelight - ps I saw Lisa Eldridge did this but as it wasn’t spread on skin you could see it brighter than the non toxic product. The thing is once it’s fully blended on skin it made no difference. I really hoped we would see a discernible difference. Also chatted with Lisa about it as I initially wanted to share her scene and then show on my hand. Since we didn’t see a difference we felt it wasn’t important to keep. 😊

Amazing! Thank you for this response!@@erinparsonsmakeup

I love your vids! I want to address similar lighting to candlelight. Circa the 1820s fire screens were used to protect wax makeup from melting while a person wearing it was sitting near a fireplace. Also during this time gambling was popular, particularly card games such as whist and bouillotte. Although single candles were in use, so were overhead crystal chandeliers, lamps that reflected light into the room from mirrors, and Bouillotte lamps - three candles under a painted brass shade. The candlelight would be directed out the bottom as it reflected off the interior brass of the shade. Illustrations of the day show women at card tables near all these light sources and also wearing red or pink blush and lipstick. Maybe the waxy makeup was applied heavier and the reds and pinks enhanced the white? How would the makeup look next to a fire? Near a pier mirror reflecting candlelight? At table next to a Bouilotte lamp? Would the brass create a bronzed look?

@@DonatellaSoulSPI🌸 that’s fascinating, thank you for sharing 😊

Women supposedly wore the "lead paint" but also POWDERED the heck out of it with what was basically chalk and that looked cakey but you're right, it was definitely a diffuser in low light.

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Wow, thank you! I appreciate it so much 🤗!

Absolutely! I just wish she wouldn’t try the products on her skin! It makes me nervous for her!

It truly is. I’ve been saying this for years now- someone needs to give this woman her own Master Class

@@elliedaniel5900 the quality of her video production and everything she creates is among the best on KZfaq! ❤️🌹 She’s my favourite in this space that’s for sure!

You’re so sweet 😊I truly appreciate the kind words!

❤❤❤

I completely agree!

So true

I wish 😅

So do we! ​@@erinparsonsmakeup

I don’t see why not! 🤗

BBC could never!, She is an icon

BBC does not deserve her, please.

Probably a strange question, but does being around lead pipes affect your health at all? Have you noticed any differences? How often do the things you’re working with have lead pipes?

This is such a cool fact; thank you for sharing!

Thankyou so much! I did dip into my own pockets to produce but feel the beauty history is worth every penny 😊 maybe I’ll do some easier videos on the next few 😅

​@@erinparsonsmakeupwe love you, Erin. You're a treasure!

​@@erinparsonsmakeupplease add ads to your videos. I'll watch them in full to help you!! You are a Queen 👑❣️!!!

​@@erinparsonsmakeupit's fun when cosmetics nerds find their niche. You're living the dream for all us dabblers and we get taught. Win/win. 😊

@@erinparsonsmakeupI’d watch anything you make, modern make up tutorials would be super cool and cheaper to make. I loved the documentary, thank you for doing it!

Maybe it’s the reason I’m sort of clown like with my own makeup. I feel so free to share my self expression through this art. It definitely makes me feel prettier knowing I’m serving a look 😅 so I totally get what you’re saying. People still makeup shame but it seems to becoming less these days I think

@@erinparsonsmakeup Lol I do exactly the same! I often do real clown makeup just to wear to work on a Tuesday because I not only love it, I think it’s important to show people that you can be as outrageous as you want with your self expression and nobody should have the power to scare you out of how you choose to express yourself. Looking forward to more of your videos🫶

makeup shaming is still alive and well especially in manosphere spaces

@@erinparsonsmakeup I used to love drawing , painting, sculpting and fine art when I was growing up; but Into adulthood I transitioned into wearing makeup . I absolutely consider makeup ''looks'' as an art form and daily source of self expression, and I love thinking of it that way. Professional Makeup artists often have Photo books of their different ''looks'' and work ( which I love to look at) But I also think there is something beautiful in considering daily makeup looks as a legitimate art from in itself and almost a form of performance art. Thank you for such a wonderful video and sharing your beautiful art and skill with all of us :)

The reminder of why we force companies to have safety regulations is good, too. These people suffered from using products claimed to be "safe" and probably modern (at the time).

Maybe it’s from all the old Hollywood films I watched 😅I am very auntie mame animated 😂 Thankyou for saying so!

You’re totally right. I thought to show experiments with the powder itself but it’s this risk factor that stopped me. I think probably easier to absorb by breathing than on the skin. Maybe there will be a part 3 😅

​@@erinparsonsmakeup please be safe! We really appreciate you trying this make up already. So fascinating!

Anything you put on your skin enters your bloodstream within seconds.

Yes, please be careful with these lead products!

Oooh that would be soo interesting!

Yes I’d love to! 🤩 It may take awhile to get to but I plan to explore as many cultures as possible 😊

Yes please!

Yes!!!

Yes please

the line between medicine and poison is all about dose and formulation

lead reminds me of tretinoin and how it "fixes" the skin

​@@user-sg4ov7ng4h is tretinoin toxic?

Well for thousands of years that was the opposite of what we wanted. Then “modern medicine@ came in and wanted the entire table.

Oh the names I got called when I was young 😅 I was almost pure white but with freckles on the nose 😝 I did link a primer that looked somewhat similar to the lead salve. But it is pricey so I’m wondering if Alicia is working on a safe version. When she does I’ll share it!

@@erinparsonsmakeup Oh, yes. Vampire was a favorite of my classmates. Corpse bride, too. 😂 Thank you so much for the link, and for the potential follow-up, if Alicia does end up being able to create a safe version!

This just reminded me of this weird off label bottle of lotion that I was given years ago. It claimed to be “shimmery” so in my mind, I figured it had something like mica or some other super fine shimmery substance. Nope. It was a cheap, watery, sickly sweet vanilla scented lotion with literal plastic glitter chunks in it. 🥴 Absolutely hilarious looking back but I was _pissed_ in the moment.

I would absolutely love to hear these podcasts! 🤩 we def need more beauty history exploration - maybe not with such reckless handling as me trying on though 😅 but it’s nice to know others are as interested as I am 😊

Thankyou so much! It’s truly appreciated 🤗

No No Skincare teehee 😂

Make a video on the kinda make up wealthy Roman of ancient Rome time wore ​@@erinparsonsmakeup

Maybe a bb cream!

they remind me a bit of korean "tone-up" creams I used to see a lot of. but I think they look more heavy and pasty than the lead tbh

The Mac luminous skin tint (I think) gives this type of effect! It’s gorgeous and has more of a luminous effect than a shimmery one.

I've heard a lot that the RMS Beauty luminizer is a gorgeous, non-shimmery product that can create this effect!

You could just use a mineral based sunscreen that leaves a white cast. It's literally the same effect as lead makeup

Boring influencers

Is Mr Ford his channel name or is he a co-host/guest on other channels?

When I saw him, he was a guest, I think it was InsiderBeauty, but I'm not 100% on that (I said Mr. Ford bc I didn't want to misspell his first name 😅).

​@@r-e_miihis name is Javon Ford! He's a very well spoken and knowledgeable cosmetic chemist, you can find him at @javonford16 (if he doesn't show up, search his name and look at KZfaq shorts)

We’ve done some fun TikTok’s together actually! He made me a 1930’s lipstick based on one of my old recipe books 😊

Ladies and gentlemen, the most patient editor in the world 😅 Thankyou sooo much For all your hard work Seanna 👏

@@erinparsonsmakeup any time! Happy to be a part of it ❤

In the 16th century, they did not know this. However, as Erin showed, there is *no evidence* that Elizabeth I did wear this as a "makeup". There is a reference to it being used like a medicine to help heal the pox pustules but when they were healed, may not have been continued. And as Erin showed, there is no evidence that Elizabeth had any symptoms associated with lead poisoning. Which if she had been using Lead and Vinegar all her life, she would have done. Elizabeth was sharp as a knife to her last hours. Which indicate no neurological symptoms as was described.

Finally 😅 this one took me forever! So much research but I’m relieved to post and clear my brain, thinking of only lead for months lol!

Same!

I did not share this but I did try it quickly on my face - it looked exactly as on my hand, whiter with a luminosity but no coverage at all. Somewhat toned down redness. Once we know more from professor McNeil maybe we can explore a part 3 😛

@@erinparsonsmakeup Id love to see that footage, maybe after the full series is out we can get some deleted scene bonus footage ?

what under base do you use?

🌸 from a Brand called beauty glow, blossom colour. I use the one that looks like pearl I will only put it on high cheek bone areas, my eyes, nose, basically anywhere I highlight I also prep my face, so each night when I moisturise, I will use castor oil, few drops The secondary effects, is your eyelashes will get extremely long and your skin will look amazing the next day Then the makeup I use is Korean types, full coverage in 3 shades, I take tiny drop of each and will put it like an artist will shade my skin. I will use a Korean powder, very fine like mineral veil, or baking type powder. Except the ones I use have white pearl effect and I get pinky ones, so it’s subtle and I get that baby dolls face, it’s dewy if that makes sense 😊

🌸 I’m not sure if KZfaq will keep this comment but the brand I use has SPF and that’s why I love it It is so difficult to blend sunscreen with makeup that I use makeup that already has it blended in Etude house double lasting foundation, it’s my favourite 😊

Omg I hope she sees this!!

BOOST!!!

Omg I’ve never seen these. I’m going to look up right now 😊 I think Lisa Eldridge did an incredible series with the bbc on makeup. I think it was Covid that only allowed it to be 3 episodes. We did chat about teaming up for aomething 😊

@@erinparsonsmakeup Lucy Worsley does a wide array of historical videos for the BBC that are great! Also, Amber Butchardt, a fashion historian, has done a series I highly recommend called A Stitch in Time (BBC) that is both fascinating and at times heartbreaking. She also did a series for English Heritage on historical hair and makeup you might like. Both can be found on KZfaq. And yes, Lisa Eldridge's series was great as well!

The BBC seems to support this kind of programming moreso than the States. I've seen so many cool series on fashion/history, music, subcultures, and art from the UK. Seems like a good place for her to pitch a show!

@@erinparsonsmakeup I think you’d like her show, if you aren’t that into British royal history then I think at least you’ll enjoy the investigative documentary editing style inspo and the cute outfits lol . That would be amazing ! I hope you get to collab !

@@Diamond_Skies yeah and BBC shows like the Lucy Worsley ones are also often aired on PBS (a free over the air tv channel focused on educational content) in the states so it’s much more accessible than any streaming services that are locked behind a paywall .

Geisha also used very white paint, but I don't know if it contained any lead. They wanted that high opacity white paint color, it wasn't supposed to look like normal pale skin but far whiter.

@@Call-me-AlI remember watching a video on the Vogue Japan KZfaq channel of a traditional Japanese dancer doing a get ready with me. The makeup that is used these days is still manufactured by Shiseido and it looked like it was something water based. I’m just kinda amazed that she could get that level of coverage with a water based face paint and it did not crack or crumble at all. It just stayed smooth the whole time even after she was done preforming

I want so badly to go to Japan and explore this further 😮 the first white lead makeup ever found comes from China which certainly would have then lead to Japan. I think, and I will have to try this, that if you mix water with the powder perhaps it could give more coverage. The thing is the lead flake itself is not water soluble so I imagine it would be very streaky. However if you were acting on stage in the theatre you wouldn’t mind as people would not be so close up. The total white out effect probably would be more important. Anyway it’s all theories but I truly hope I can find out and film it all one day soon!😊

​@@erinparsonsmakeupI can't wait to watch this when you do!

Got another one

Great idea! I may do some easy videos coming up. This lead one took so long to put together 😅 bur whatever I film it will most likely have some beauty history behind it because I have an obsession 😊

I tagged the closest thing I could find but probably could even mention a zinc sunscreen - although the lead product looked less greasy than sunscreens today. But certainly left a white case. I think it also lessened the redness 😊

Chanel’ Blanc de Blanc

I actually never thought about that 😮 there is one very clear first hand account from a German traveler who comments on her appearance. This is where we learn of “wrinkles and black teeth”. No where does he mention any cosmetic. I wish I would have included this tidbit in my first video. I also hope the films on her will stop ruining my viewing experience with awful makeup 😅

@@erinparsonsmakeup I agree. Her mouth must have hurt from teeth being rotten

​@dolphinschild62 it seems like a lot of people were walking around in a significant amount of pain centuries ago. I think about that every so often, when I have a gripe of my own or come across someone else dealing with a malady. Some things would just have to be dealt with for ages until it healed, some afflictions could be treated but it takes a long time, and some problems would have to be lived with forever. I guess that's not really different today, but at least there's better palliative care now so people are in less pain.

We’re dying to be beautiful ☠️

​@@erinparsonsmakeup That traveller never got close to Elizabeth. He saw her from a long distance away so there was no way he could have seen what she was really like. This was also in around 1601 when Elizabeth was near the end of her life. There is also no evidence her teeth WERE all rotten. She was known to be very frugal and also didn't eat a huge amount (which explains her extremely slim figure) - so even though sugar was around then and sweetmeats (sweets made from marzipan and sugar etc) were popular with the elite, they were not a daily thing due to sheer expense in general and from Elizabeth's perspective, a waste if consumed on a daily basis. We have a reference in around the 1570s ish, whereby she did need one tooth removed and was quite worried about it (understandably as no anaesthetic then) but was prompted to go ahead when one of her male courtiers had a healthy tooth removed to show how easy it was. (!!!!) Whether its true or not (what he did) that is the only reference. We also have the claims she was bald (hence the wigs!). When the Earl of Essex entered her bed chamber in 1602, he found her in a state of undress (as it was early morning). Her hair was white and loose around her shoulders....expected in an lady of 68. At her death, its not clear what was going on. Royal Palace of Greenwich unfortunately, is still perpetuating the myths of blood poisoning through the makeup...which as you've just shown would not have been the symptoms of lead poisoning. What we do know was that she suddenly fell ill in the autumn of 1602 after deaths of close friends/cousins. Seems she went into a depression. She may have had some other illness too. Maybe you should contact Greenwich and get them to set the record straight? www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/little-known-or-unknown-facts-regarding-queen-elizabeth-death I've been studying Elizabeth and 16th century history for the past 30 years and also re-creating living history as a Tudor or Elizabethan woman. I've also portrayed Elizabeth at an event. I get cross about the depiction of Elizabeth with clown white makeup. No evidence shows this was in the Royal Wardrobe accounts. We should look at the "medical records" and see whats in there too. Its like the myth that Tudor people didn't wash themselves (they did), or clean their teeth (so many recipes for potions to clean the teeth) and were all teeny tiny. THANKYOU for this amazing research to explode this myth. Brava. my website showcasing my costumes is www.myladyswardrobe.com

Thankyou so much! 🤗!

Also I would definitely donate to a Patreon to produce more of these and see the inside workings or background that went into them.

Forgive me for taking so long to post it! 😊 there was so much info, the edit took forever too wittle down. And then I got nervous I shouldn’t show it at all 😅

I’ve seen her name a few times in the comments but I don’t know who she is. Gonna search her out now and follow 😃

Now this would be a true dynamic duo.

My goddddddd this needs to happen🥹😭🥳

Christine has done makeup videos before in the past. They need to get together.

I appreciate that Thankyou! 🤗

Thank you! So fascinating. I always assumed she inherited the pox with the country from her father too...

I've been studying and re-enacting Tudor/Elizabethan life for 30 years now. I've gone through the Royal Accounts for Elizabeth for her wardrobe etc including "makeup" and there is just nothing. The few references are always after her death or by people who were very late in her reign. For example, one description of her around 1600 mentions her rotted black teeth - except this person never saw her. We have ONE reference of her needing a tooth removed (many people now do) and she was worried about getting it removed (understandably at the time) and apparently (we don't know whether this is absolutely true) one of her male courtiers, had one of his teeth (a healthy one) removed and that helped her have hers removed. The reference to a body bursting in the coffin is about Henry VIII - and due to his health issues and sheer size these does seem like it is true. I have not heard this about Elizabeth in all the years I've been studying her. I have portrayed Elizabeth at an event in Saffron Walden in 2022 which was lovely to do. Made my gown for the event and even had a small front wiglet created (I had a headdress at the back so no need for a full wig) as my own hair is blonde and she was red...and I didn't have time to dress my hair as I usually do. Eventually will get a page up on my new website about it (www.myladyswardrobe.com)

@@myladyswardrobe YESSS!!! THANK YOU!!! I find it very frustrating that people still to this day say that Elizabeth burst in her coffin. There are SO MANY "history" channels here on KZfaq saying the same thing over and over. And even if she DID, so what? If she did it would be from natural phenomena, NOT because of her makeup. Which, was less likely to happen anyways since they removed the majority of internal organs in those days and put them in separate containers for preservation. I feel as if she has been wrongly documented by "historians" throughout time, and those false documentations have trickled into today's time. There are many wrong historical perspectives that people don't challenge to this day simple because earlier historians said so. I have been making historically accurate Tudor court dresses this year (1530's, as my 14x great grandfather was Sir Henry Norreys, who was executed during the Anne Boleyn trials), and plan on making Elizibethan ones next, so that's so cool to me!!!

@@beatdizzy smallpox is not inherited. You may be thinking of syphilis. If the parent (mother) has it, then the child can be born with it. In this case, there is no evidence Henry VIII had syphilis. We can be confident this was the case from the medical records we have. the main "treatment" for syphilis in the 16th cehtury was mercury (which had its own issues). Henry was never "prescribed" this. Also, Henry did not seem to have many in the way of mistresses. We only know of two - Bessie Blount in the 1510s and Mary Boleyn, Anne Boleyn's sister in the early 1520s. Both before he had any relationship with Anne Boleyn and certainly 10 years before Elizabeth was born,. Also, if a child is born with syphilis they are not going to live very long - certainly not nearly 70 years as Elizabeth did and certainly not without obvious health issues such as cognitive delay and development, skeletomuscular complications, neurological issues - likely severe learning difficulties - which one could never describe Elizabeth as having. And that is assuming any child with congenital syphilis survived the birth. Often, if its contracted in utero, it often results in still born or death soon after birth. So, no, Elizabeth did not have syphilis, and neither did Henry VIII and more importantly, neither did Anne Boleyn - as the only way Elizabeth could have got it is if Anne had been infected.

​@@Jarvis_Mari I've just discovered that the website for Greenwich Palace which was the site where Elizabeth was born, has a whole load of wrong information particularly about the so called "makeup". Ho hum. I'm constantly trying to stop myths about our ancestors...eg they never washed themselves, they didn't clean their teeth, they were really really short, homes were messy, hated their children, etc etc . I've made so many gowns over the years. I have a 1535 gown (basing it closely on but not absolutely identical to, the Queen Jane Seymour painting) for this August. Currently this weekend on a Dior style 1950s dress! I have a form on my website if you wanted to connect with me. Please feel free. Happy sewing,.

But the labels don’t even mean anything half of the time. They don’t test every single product and just throw a label on. It’s not accurate. Also all food like fruits and vegetables have lead in from the ground unfortunately. Certain foods have more lead than others do. There’s no way to avoid it since we’ve used it so much in the past in multiple things.

This one took way too long 😅 I love Toronto by the way!

I need to post the short where I dyed it. It’s always back to dark now 😅

Thank you so much!! 😊

I’ve featured her products in past videos including some tiktoks. I absolutely adore Alicia! No one else is doing what she does, and they do it so well. Her liquid rouge is still one of my fav products to date!

It’s definitely in the works 🥳 taking a lot longer than I would hope for 😅 but will happen eventually. I’d also love to know more about makeup in ancient Scotland so maybe I’ll come to your area one day!

@@erinparsonsmakeup It is so beautiful here! I live in Edinburgh which if full of ancient secrets and beauty! That would be amazing! xx

I adore her so much! She was such an incredible help with finding all the recipes I mentioned in this video. It was our conversation a year ago that got this whole thing started😅

Omg it is 😮 woah I def need to explore this further. The only thing I can think of is maybe talc. It’s interesting clean cosmetic companies do not use talc at all. I’m curious to explore this further

TiO2 as a cosmetic is still proven safe (it's also the only PROVEN safe sunscreen filter for aquatic life - zinc actually harms it just as much as organic filters do), debatable as a food additive though.

@@erinparsonsmakeup Scientifically the fear around talc is bc of possibility of contamination with asbestos rather than talc itself. But in modern cosmetics due to refinement it's not an issue. However greenwashing has made it a whole thing.

The J&J case only just kicked in and they switched talc for cornstarch in 2023. I know it was ostensibly about the contamination, but if they eventually dropped talc altogether, it would be interesting to go through the court docs. Inc decoder says a Kiels SPF has titanium dioxide. Mac powder blush.

Everyone else has to wait two months 😅 I’m so glad you were able to catch both!

I wish! It would be so incredible to have a real budget behind this instead of my pockets 😅 but I’d gladly pay to explore more beauty history with all the people in this episode!

How she touched it like it's nothing I can't understand it

So I chatted with Lisa about it. The thing is this 1831 recipe is the only known formulation with actual measurements. Any others you’d have to guess on how much of each ingredient to add. I asked professor McNeill if she experimented with others and she said yes all of them. She also said they all went on the same, very sheer like a primer consistency 😮

@@erinparsonsmakeup So there had to be some other pigment Eldridge used if all the lead compounds make that sheer a mixture. In the documentary it looked more like a vaseline or cold cream with titanium dioxide or some other harshly white pigment. I stand confused 😅

No makeup line in the works but the museum is! I can’t wait to share all my beautiful vintage items with others 🤗 more to come! Soon ish 😆 I will def have to do a very detailed video on MM’s 50’s makeup soon

​@@erinparsonsmakeupI can't wait to see the museum!!! How exciting! Love ya doll! ❤

I immediately thought about this.