Have your today's drummers tighten up the bottom and top heads of their snare drums, then tell me what they sound like.

Nate, Your opinion is at best uninformed, and, at worst, small-minded. This is not where you want to be, if you hold yourself out as an educator. THE thing all musicians aspire to, particularly in jazz, is a spontaneous, seamflow of of honest, compelling expression that touches the hearts of listeners. Buddy emoted as well as anybody, and exponentially better than most. To be a technical genius and emote is the most difficult needle to thread because the two often cut against each other. Plus, he did it in a style of jazz, big band, that requires far more discipline than playing in smaller groups, which again makes it harder to keep the flow, swing, and improvisation going. He caught, and accentuated every note his band was playing to the maximum without ever getting in the way of any of his players, always maximizing the potential of the music. Most drummers max out quickly doing a drum solo because they lack either the chops, or the ability to tell a story in their solo to hold the audience's attention. Buddy could mesmerize an audience for as long as he wanted to. He could jump in the audience's lap with fun loving over the top performance, or become one with his instrument, as if the the audience didn't exit. It was gripping either way. Plus, he played with total passion, and commitment to the art form. Moreover, he held his ground, and played what he wanted to play, when the world said big band was dead.He reinvented big band jazz, and made it relevant as form of music to listen too, not merely dance to. That's a true artist. Buddy's influence on drumming is to hit the pinnacle of emotion, and communication with every note you play. Your opinion compares apples to oranges. You seem to like the more quirky, small group jazz people. It's an entirely different style than big band, although, many of the greats there played with Buddy and loved him. Nothing wrong with the drummers you mentioned. I love everybody who is attempting to move the art form forward. Your fatal mistake was condemning Buddy to create clickbait. Why not say, we're all familiar with Buddy's genius, but are are some super drummers who deserve our respect too? Moreover, it's really soulless to personally attack a deceased human being's character. Clearly, you didn't know Buddy. He was loved by most who knew him. He was generous beyond words, and a wonderful husband, and father. Sure, he had his bus tapes, that he himself loved, and laughed at. He had a sense of humor about his own drive to create the best music possible for every person who paid their hard earned cash to see a great show. My suggestion is really own your multiple mistakes here, and make them right. True that, nobody can teach a drummer to play like Buddy, but you should do a video to talk about what made him great. And you might learn something of the man, and share some of the great things he did for others. Buddy's not here to defend himself. Play fair. As it is, you look so ignorant, it throws into question your credibility as a teacher. It's never too late to learn, and make things right for a true educator. Long live, the late, great Buddy Rich.

Nate has a point and he does not attack the man at all, chill out man. I would be much more critical. Buddy was sure a hell of a drummer and his skills and chops are out of this world; still today when I see him perform I am flabergasted BUT most the music he played sucks. A fantastic entertainer as I politely say but music wise not interesting: Circus Music at its best.

@@THEKECHEXPERIENCE Nate said Buddy was, "kind of a dick." To me, that's a personal attack on the man.

@@Robert-ck7nm I think this is common knowledge ;)

@@user-mm8vw1ow1x it's never easy to start learning anything! Good job on sticking w it though

Great idea!! I sent Adam Neely's "bass playing for guitarists" tutorial to my guitar player when we started our duo side project... It was an eye opener for him and we also share lots of musical education videos to one another... Even though he's not a drummer, he'll sit through a good lesson video just to get a grasp of what I go through in my head when playing with him. Sometimes it's just a drum lick he picks up and writes a guitar riff to fit around it and give me a break to do a fill along those lines... Same on my side when I learn about scales and modes and how they were applied in whatever songs and I use those as examples to tell him how a guitar solo could work within our context.... So yeah! Great idea! Do it!!!

@@G60syncro Yeah exactly Adam's video reminded me of this idea! I think it could be exciting for non-drummers, and it would definitely draw more ppl to this fantastic channel. Listen to the people, Nathan.

I agree...

buddy was not just the best jazz drummer, he was the best drummer ever, PERIOD!!!!!

Anybody who loves Buddy should pay homage to his friend and extremely talented drummer (perhaps Buddy's equal), Louis Bellson. Buddy respected Louis so much that he had Mr. Bellson sit in for him when he once was too ill to make an extended tour.

Yes, Morello, Hamilton and Erskine are tops. Don't forget Louie Bellson, the originator using the double bass drum in solos.

yes

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Gregory Hutchinson, Jimmy Cobb, Max Roach, Ed Thiggben, Greyson nekrutman

Yess Carl Allen to

I agree with your assessment however, I will ascertain that but he was revolutionary when he came on the scene he was revolutionary and one is only revolutionary in the beginning and then becomes an excepted norm?! I don’t know but buddy will never be normal I mean his playing will always be anything but normal he was a freak of nature and a force of nature and I’ll leave it at that

I saw buddy live too and was completely blown away !!!!!! Buddy is my favorite drummer !!!!!!!

He was also one of the best bebop drummers. Had no trouble adapting, & proved it w/ countless bebop sessions, Including many w/ somebody he used to get into fights with, one Charlie Parker, who loved him!

This was a list of players not on a top 50 list that we should no of. That play jazz in a true jazz way. That are really good at what they do. Who are not known for playing solos on the tonight show named buddy. That’s my take.

I believe what Nate is saying is Buddy was not an innovator of jazz drumming. There wasn't a before and after in jazz drumming with Buddy. With Elvin there definitely was, Roach etc. I think there was a before and after with Buddies chops... certainly Tony Williams and countless others were influenced by this aspect of his playing. I think Nate is doing a great service to get us out of the past and into the present with his list. It's a shame to miss out on greatness happening right now. I love jazz but I know so few on his list 😟

@@lucianolombardi1022 You can hype today’s musicians without tearing down the greats of the past. This is clickbait bullshit using the fame of Buddy’s name to draw eyes.

Great comment, thanks. Yes, imho, this was 80% a hit job on Buddy and 20% a contribution to the present day greats of jazz drumming. The 80/20 man was showed his ignorance of the true Buddy it is pathetic. He failed to even mention the greats you did and also the JATP tour. I studied with Joe Morello and when you don't mention him as a jazz drummer you show that your research is flawed.

Very interesting similar to me except I never Bonzo was never my fav .

I agree. Buddy Rich had the best and fastest solos. Buddy is the Great Ninja of drums and there are none that can touch him in what he did. That said, from a musical perspective, I'll take Krupa playing Sing Sing Sing over any song Buddy was on.

I actually didn’t mind his music with Nat King Cole and Lester Young. He’s really Holding back and it’s awesome

I gave you a thumbs up and your comment was accurate except for the years Buddy was not with a Big Band. He played with all the jazz greats in a small group context with the Jazz at the Philharmonic tours for years. The battles between Rich, Roach and Krupa were legendary along with his creative jazz playing with Bird and so many other jazz greats. Check it out. Thanks Schreff

Not even for his type of jazz

Your son is amazing! One of my favorite bassists of the modern era.

your son is matt brewer? daamm

Wow!😊

Buddy played as good in a small group context with Bird etc. Please check out JATP and you will see there were years of Buddy you missed when he was doing small group work.

You forgot Gene Krupa...

And Hampton was no slouch all though I preferred him on vibes

I would add Joe Morello.

@@Tom70s lol idiot

@@krioni86sa Idiot? Why?

Yes I agree with you wholeheartedly you’ve got the right idea!

He is talked about all the drummers Nate mentioned Ralph has taught at least 50% of ari hoeing, mark turner jr. Chris brown, tyshawn sory, and to many more to name

i think you missed the point lol...

@@vb6427 no I didn’t. I just love joe morello that’s all. Totally random answer. Not pretending to answer Nate are any other of you brilliant smart guys.

YES! Always makes me sad he gets left off great drummers lists. I guess his style isn't flashy enough, but that is why he stands out for me- he serves the song, not his ego.

Yes !! Definitely one of the most musical jazz drummers

He was the first one who came to my mind. Joe’s a beast!

Great comment. A few days ago i saw this vídeo: "Deconstruing Something (Isoleted Tracks) - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9uaYNWVxtqseKc.html" ... it's awsome for its simplicity. Most of the song he didn't uses the hihats or ride, only snare and bass drum. The music wins.

@@YeahNego Then add how often the drum is enough to identify the Beatles song. Recently learned that one of his "secrets" was being a lefty playing a righty drum kit, he was always a smidgen late because he had to go further with his left hand. Take a look at this , she is amazing in her own right.

I disagree. Buddy certainly was musical. No one before him made the whole band better the way he did. He wasn't all bombast. He pushed the band. You can hear the difference even on the Tonight Show (sometimes), when he'd play with the band. Shaughnessy was one of the best big band drummers, and it was his band. Yet, even as a kid I could hear the difference when buddy sat in. The song came alive, more excitement, more integration between the drums and horns - somehow, even though he was playing lots of notes - more musical. He really could hear the band and respond in a brilliant way. The solos were good, sometimes spectacular, yes, but his playing with the band. That was his musical genius IMO.

thank god !

Herlin is excellent and underrated

@@8020drummer Herlin is low key beast. I'm also kinda surprised that Ed Thigpen didn't come up on your list. His brush work is some of the best in all of jazz. Another sleeper is Bob Moses who doesn't get enough love.

He was a pioneer in what regard?

@@applejuice5635 If you have to ask that question then any answer given would not satisfy you.

@@reschrefflerakaschreff9566 I genuinely wanted to know, I wasn't trying to argue.

@@applejuice5635 Sorry I took it wrong. He pioneered in so many ways from " Traps the Drum Wonder " as a child star to the acknowledged greatest during his time by his fellow drummers, bandleaders and the public. Gene Krupa who brought the drums to the front of the band instead of being a 2nd class player agreed as did all during the Rich era. BR was and still is a legend and pioneer in the big band era and the top drum soloist ever imho.

If there’s such a backlash how come BR is on every top 10, 20, and 50 list ever

@@8020drummer Idk, I don't look at lists of the best drummers. :) But I'm sure any media outlet making a list like this is going to have a lot of boring received wisdom and Boomer picks. I'm all for updating the canon and for people knowing about Nasheet Waits & Clarence Penn (and Whiplash sucks), but apparently I'm in the hipster drummer echo chamber and not seeing whoever is still ranking jazz musicians.

I agree, Mr. Rich displayed supreme touch---and time keeping on some lesser known ballad recordings! Why do people refer to him as an A-hole?

@@mahavashkar4677 Because he would berate his band after a bad show, as recorded on tape by one of his members. He also rubbed many up the wrong way including Dusty Sprinfield and his long time friend Frank Sinatra, who was just as much an asshole as Buddy if not more.

Thanks for your videos!! I think BR is a very important figure in jazz- not NEARLY as important as Louis Armstrong or Charlie Parker, Gene Krupa, Coltrane, etc. - but the big bands he led made some important music and hired some of the best arrangers/composers - and provided great opportunities for some younger musicians (Bobby Shew and Bob Mintzer - for ex.) His personality (both good and bad aspects) were memorable. His playing had some pretty jaw dropping technique. But I would listen to hours and hours of SO MANY other players before I would listen to him. That said, a lot of people were really drawn to his showmanship and technique/chops and he will hold a high place in their view for ever. He also was an important influence on many drummers who heard him- Weckl and Colaiuta (and many others) cite him as an influence. But start listing off the most influential jazz MUSIC ever (Think Coltrane albums, Miles albums, etc) and He will not appear very much.... Billy Higgins will show up quite a bit- along w Tony, Elvin, Max, Mel Lewis, Papa Jo, Sonny Payne, etc... even Bill Stewart, and the "younger" generation, which you give great examples of in this video. Keep it up! I enjoy your work!

Alan was a great teacher and your comment was very good.

Amen, good point!

I checked out the Jo Jo Mayer video. As soon as he said Buddy Rich was Schlock I turned it off: (One minute 14 seconds in) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iJiRapRjspu3enk.html) Oh, he was speaking German? My bad...

@@citydrums7525 The language Jojo speaks in this interview is his mother tongue and it's called " Switzerdütsch ". You understand it when you speak " regular " german but it's not just a german accent, it's a language of it's own. ( In Switzerland there are two main languages, french and switzerdütsch. Depends on where you live in Switzerland.) Oh, and by the way....the video offers subtitles in english.✌🏽

Agree!!!!

Brian Smith : Yes! Damn is right.... right between the eyes

Amen

oh my! The answer is a stunning YES!

Explain, B Burnside. Enlighten us.

Buddy got all kinds of press, played very cleanly, and had some chops, but had little to no impact on jazz or other jazz players. That's what made ”Whiplash” so weird to me, he obsessed over Rich even though many players from his time, such as Kruppa, had way more influence on jazz. No hate towards him, but there are tons more players (better and worse than him) that had more importance to jazz and would be much more worth will to check out. This is of course subscribing to the idea that it matters who is best, but no matter how you feel about the argument younger players need to know Buddy Rich isn't number one.

B Burnside: OK it’s obvious you’re not a true believer in so far as Buddy Rich is concerned, sounds like to me you can take him or leave him and that’s OK that’s fine you’re entitled to your taste your preferences your opinions but dismiss BUDDY like that makes me wonder if you really really ever listen to the guy maybe you did maybe you didn’t I don’t know I’m not gonna say all I know is as far as as I’m concerned and we can agree to disagree BUDDY RICH was the greatest drummer ever to draw breath no matter what kind Music we’re talking about and who’s to say; who’s to pigeonhole jazz that way? I mean you’re really short changing the concept of jazz when you played The stuff, like this guy has done on this video this seemingly one type of jazz Presented here! When there’s so many different types of jazz there’s many different types of jazz, Like fruits and vegetables there are so many tastes! Same with music: there’s big band jazz which was Buddy’s forte, there is progressive jazz, there’s straightahead jazz, there’s bebop, there’s Dixieland jazz,There’s swing jazz, there’s avant-garde jazz and so many more genres of jazz! seems to me like the guys in this video; seem to be all playing in that one groove, that one feel that one sound the fact that this guy who posted this video and I’m sure he knows what he’s doing as far as DRUMS are concerned ???!!!!I’m sure he’s a great player but to put an “X” over Buddy’s Image, It’s frankly to me very telling where his heads at; to me....very condescending to Buddy in his description of him he just dismisses Buddy Like that and that’s his right he has a right to his opinion, but again Iwill just have to agree to disagree but if I could play like any single drummer in the world if I had my choice Of anyone in any genre, my pick, it would be BUDDY RICH every freaking time! any thoughts?!

Miles affirmed it. Yet, it's quite obvious Tony was a blatant game changer in jazz drumming---similar to Hendrix on guitar. Tony Williams was brilliant with his hi-hats, cymbals and sparkling musicality---within the song (PINNOCHIO)---and very conceptual soloing. Some times it seems people downplay his 1975 LP Believe it! Yet, if you listen carefully, he puts on a clinic on that LP. During the early 90's he led a high quality quintet that produced about 5 wonderful LP's that showcased his wonderful compositions as well. All props to Buddy Rich---The Mike Tyson of Jazz Drumming.

I thought Roy Haynes was Mile's favorite. Just goes to show.. something

@@stevelk1329 I'm sure Miles appreciated all of his great band mates. But, I've found more than one quote where he goes out his way, to exalt Mr. Williams as a Superior Artist/Musician.

@@mahavashkar4677 Not positive, not a big deal. Just remember reading a couple places he'd said this. Can't remember if I read a quote from him saying that. I do remember reading Davis saying he knew Williams was going to be one of the baddest ... drummers ever the first time he heard him 🙂

Miles was a huge fan of Buddy's. He sat listening to Buddy once, & said, "Did u hear that one lick he played? Turned the whole band around!"

Baker did a lot of great jazz recordings and played with great jazz players in his day. Seriously was forced into rock n roll because of the loud amplifiers and the drugs. Great musician nonetheless.

Ginger Baker Trio is fantastic.

So true, and the pity is the 80/20 guy destroyed all the good on the new greats by attacking one of the old ones who is a legend-Buddy Rich. His lack of research was very disappointing when it comes to not going back and treating jazz drumming from before Chick Webb up to the present. And your comment about rants is right on like your playing.

👏🏿💯👏🏿💯👏🏿💯👏🏿💯🥁🎶 ...Baby Dodds, Big Sid Catlett, ".et,al" as well!

;Oh yeah and you’re going to see him all right!

I think it's actually worse than just replaying the entirety of Whiplash with no commentary, but forcing people to watch "eyes wide shut" style

Ethan Iverson said he's met folk on the NYC jazz scene who thought Paul Motian couldn't play drums. Now while his approach was/is unusual, those doubters only had to go back to when PM drummed for Bill Evans to see the man was legit, and then some!

Check out Joshua Redman/Greg Hutchinson on Trios Live. Crushing performances by all, an inspired set. Modern but accessible.

Your idea about "one of the greatest big band drummers but not necessarily best jazz drummer" is about as spot on as it could be said.

He was more than a great technician. Of course, that doesn’t necessarily mean he was an innovator.

Seth Cashman : an innovator is one who sets new standards for everyone else to follow unfortunately the standards buddy rich set no one has yet been able to follow certainly not these guys in this video! These So-called “Young Guns” And please by all means thank you for your participation!

No anger involved......just love of the music. Buddy was not a nice guy. No doubt. What was a old man, nearly 50, to do? He played his music.....when many thought it was dead. You now have great musical programs in college and high schools. There’s a reason for that. I would guess that some of the new cats discussed here benefitted from them....there are some truly great players out there. The deal is that many drummers did not survive, or could not make the transition from ‘swing’ to an 8th note feel. I’m so old I’m surprised I can remember this stuff or complete this sentence. When young, I did not, could not, appreciate what and who had gone before. But now that I’m old and angry......with an open mind......it ain’t so hard.

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Yeah, of course, he didn't reinvented himself or progressed to new pathways. But intead, he perfected his playing style to a pretty high standart. He's one of the old guard "snare drummers" who expand their vocabulary over the drum set. And my personal opinion, he sets the energy standart for the rock drumming generation. Sweatin like buddy, should be a standart term for a metal show these days 🤣 But as far as jazz evolved, i mean, as long as you play the swing pattern, nothing really evolved 😶 but who cares, as long as it is fun, it's worth it. By the way, i thought, to invent new styles, you have to break with the tradition? Kind of rebelling against the conservative standart, like bop did back then?! Art should be surprising right? So then, Check out Christian Lillinger!!!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z8Wagquhrd2rn6M.html

No, because most of them play traditional with the exception of eric and Bill

@@8020drummer Ari plays matched grip exclusively too!

No, he always referred to his band as a band that plays jazz.

Because there are cultural and social elements that initiated the development of the Jazz art form! There's more to it than entertainment and drum battles. I doubt if even Buddy Rich recognized that 'foundation' and it's significance⁉️💯 "FREE BILL COSBY"

@@davidwicks9538 - I'm not sure how your A is relevant to my Q as I never spoke to Buddy or entertainment and/or drum battles.

@@mcsequoia5107 I 👀 you still don't get the knowledge the Bassist🎻 was sharing with you⁉️ Perhaps, his point was learn the history, purpose and foundation of the art form 1st. Then you can go where ever you want from there, at least that's my point, show a respect for the 'art' and it's creators!

Edu Manzano and Jose Manalo.

Clarence Becton! Nate mentioned Rudy Royston who's like you're version of Clarence Becton's bold and strong style

@@stephenviggiano4179 Wow. I'm jealous. I first heard him on Mal Waldron's The Quest album and made it a point to buy anything I could find with him on it.

You're absolutely right about Buddy Rich, he had more chops than his country's collective barbecues on the 4th of July. The only thing you probably misunderstand is what "literally" means.

@@dvdly Buddy was life and death "blow your brains out" drumming every time. He did have a style, but it was not imitated by anyone: it was the "Drum as if your life depends on it" and play the most impressive logic-defying stuff you can so as to leave everybody in shock and awe after a performance kind of style ! So he was influential after all , If you look at it from that aspect...

Great comment especially when you talk about the nice guy era, so true.