Kempy his head definitely moves down

One positive to come out of the game for NSW Spencer Leniu didn’t make racist comment.

There was a game plan to rock Walsh. A rookie, charged up by the emotion of the big stage. The moment presented Suaalii with an opportunity to fulfil that assignment and lay him out. A few centimetres lower he would have had a potential game-turning moment in NSW's favour + he would have a highlight reel for the ages again in favour of Suaalii, and potentially put fear in Walsh. However, he got it wrong and shouldered Walsh's head in a flying motion, Full stop. It is a game of inches. A heavy price to pay to achieve one assignment.

Hahah fuck I love the boys, but fuck their not taking it well

I hate saying this being from nsw, I agree with kempy

679 tackles made last night with no issue. 1 tackle made by someone with with his shoulder & knocked a player clean out for the count. Yet the ref is in the wrong.. 😑 just be better Suaalli 679 tackles were made, just copy them next time 😅 Be like Martin and bend ya back 🏆

Neutral here! 100% a red all day long, can’t believe people are even arguing based on how it has been refereed all season 🤷🏻‍♂️ hated it as it killed the game

Listening to Tom and Eddy trying to justify not applying the rules of the game to save the spectacle is a tough listen. I’m a NSW fan and I agree with Kempy. You can’t ignore rules and apply them wherever they feel like it

@blokeinabar Denan kemp knows rugba league, sualili chose to do that so he pay the consequence, fuck the spectacle he literally killed Reece Walsh so should be sent off nsw should blame sualili for losing not the refs or the rules Uppa QLD

Qld won a game with 12 men back in the late 80’s… we had injury after injury.

Lot of dribble from the dribblers 🤤

He gets sent off but can be replaced from the bench, 13 on the field and 3 on the bench. Qld activates 18 so they have an advantage, 13 on the field and 4 on the bench. It rated a send off and the GF is the most important game of the year, a one off, no second chances.

Serious question: if this occurs in LAST 7 mins instead of the first 7… do we still react like this? So question is whether its a send off or not- takeaway the emotion of the spectacle

Big screen that you boys can look at, Matty puts up the hit and you guys talk over the hit instead of saying “you need to watch it more” regarding if he slipped or not. Also please just one camera on the HS boys.

These hello sport fellas got rocks in their head

This demonstrates the brain damage of nsw supporters. Fellas copped a few shoulders or what. “Let’s re write the rule book entirely so we can still be grubs”

I remember the Hass hip drop on Cleary in the GF, nothing, not even a penalty. Cleary needed a pain shot at halftime and missed the internationals as a result. No action from the MRC. Accidental?

the vibe of this convo is like an nrl analyst on 360 or something trying to talk origin with my die hard uncles.

Ahhhh......yes, I remember last year when Fegler was sent for 10 minutes for the most ridiculous head high tackle decision, which was effectively the rest of the game. That on top of all the other injuries QLD had. The QLD players said "That's it..game over....we can't win from here. How can we possibly match them now?"

Talk about “ad cope-ium”

You guys are bloody hilarious. Good stuff!!

The thing that would make the most sense to me would be, in a case like this, match the Bin to the 15 minutes of the HIA. The bunker can review it and upgrade if necessary. If it's dangerous reckless play then that offending player can't come back, but can be replaced on the field so it's 13 v13, 16 v 17.

Just send the player off for the rest of the game. Matching the hurt player that is also off for the game. 20min of 12v13, then back to 13v13. It is fucking obvious. Accidents happen for fuck sake. Legit can’t believe kemp thinks what we had is best outcome possible. SOE ending due to an accident. Send off the player for the rest of the game. 12v13 for 20min. Offending team down a player for the remainder of the game. Other team gets 18th man advantage. And a penalty. This is a better outcome in every universe.

I can’t get through this ep, Kempy is a killer, not listening to the boys wholistic reasoning at all and just repeating his perspective 20 times

So protect the game? Or protect a player's career? Gotta look out for the players on this one. Game will just have to adapt. Their careers are short enough as it is. And it's not as if the game was a complete write-off either. NSW came back hard and were looking real good in the 2nd half. They were still a chance at 20-10 until Hunt's try with 15 to go.

Walsh slips over. Suaalii doesn't have time to pull out and makes contact with head. Penalty and sin bin without a doubt but you can't tell me there's not enough mitigation there to downgrade from a send off.

You're basically saying if a tackle goes awry and is overly careless, and it takes someone out, then that team whose player was taken out deserves to be handed the win. Because that's exactly what an early send off achieves. Surely there can be a consequence which severely disadvantages the guilty players team without taking them out of the contest 100%.

I’ve heard at least 20 takes on this tackle by this point, both from NSW and Queenslanders, ex players, ex origin stars etc. Kempy is the only one to not agree that Reece slipping had any effect on whether or not the tackle would have been high - or at the very least made it look worse. Maybe you should watch it another 1000 times mate

Just dribble from Tom and Eddy

Must be so conflicting for Tom and Eddy to be such staunch Manly/DCE fans and see DCE have a blinder. Last night would've been a hate wank for then

Having paid for flights and tickets to Sydney from perth to watch the game, it was pretty disappointing realising that 7mins in to the game the winner was decided. For me that's enough to not want to do it again.

As a queenslader, I think the game was unwinnable for NSW after the high shot...and I don't think it should be for one player's big, reckless error...Options: 1) maybe a 30min bin 2) send off but nsw can actiavte an 18th man after ten minutes 3) a rule that the ref could bin the player until half time if needed.. 2 seems best

what kind of standard are we setting if you can take one of the star players out in the 1st 10 mins, and not be binned for it. if he gets 10mins for that then anygame you can just take a star key player out and only get 10mins

QLD fan completely agree nsw should’ve won 5 in a row and that’s why they don’t have the same coach anymore

Got to meet ya outside the game last night Kempy, absolute legend. UP THE BEAK

Kenny… So you don’t want us going 110%?!

Move on guys

Would someone make an appointment at OPSM for Mr Kemp if he thinks that Reece Walsh slipping down did not lower his head height.

Tom/Eddy's argument is valid. They're talking about the spectacle of Origin and the implied economics. It's widely known that Origin is prime earning period for the broadcasters to get their ROI (who finance the game, players salaries). There's alot of casual viewers who watch origin, but don't pay attention week to week. Viewer numbers would have dropped off at the 60m mark, and you'd argue it may impact game 2,3 viewership. Particularly if QLD win game 2. Gotta protect the golden goose that is origin.

Have everyone from NSW forgotten Tom Flegler getting 10 in the bin Game 1 2023 for a head clash with NSW up 18-16??

Why is everyone sleeping on Kotoni Staggs? Surely he's in the conversation to come in for game II

denan, how on earth do you think there is no consequence for ripping someone's head off if the game doesn't get ruined by another person being able to take their spot? you dont think 4 weeks on the sideline doesn't deter you?

Should be a rule where you can send off the player then substitute his position and the player who got sent off can’t come back on the field but his position on the field is replaced by another player. Problem solved.

Good poddy lads! Pain.

Omg bro I died when he said Everyone came out and one bold fuck wreck it for us

People don’t understand that if walsh doesn’t slip he hits him flush on the chest!

The solution is very simple: send off and 10 min sin bin. Suali’i gets sent off for the whole game and the Blues are down a player for 10 min That way Suali’i gets punished by not playing and they lose their starting Center all game, but the game isn’t over and they can bring someone in 10 min later

No intent my ass! 😂 and he'd barely slipped by the time he was contacted.

Does Suaalii charge out like that at the roosters ?? nope so why did he do it last night ? becauseeeee NSW were told to take Walsh out 100% GG ya nsw cats

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It seemed like the bunker reviewed it and directed Ashley Klein to send him off. So you might be killing the messenger there guys.

Just for clarity on the Rugby Union rule to Tom’s point, a ref penalising a player with a straight red card means the team loses that player for the rest of the game. However when the ref penalises the player with a yellow card & off field review then the player can be replaced if the yellow card is upgraded to a red card.

New Zealand IS TUNED IN. HARD. Haven’t missed a game since 1992. HARD.

Everyone is missing the point - 40% of the broadcast money is because of SOO, reported 800,000+ people tuned out after the send off, big bikkies for channel 9. No broadcast money = no game.

The copium is strong with you miserable blues fans. Can’t wait for the excuses when Qld pump the blues again in game 2.

Ashley Klein refereed one of the greatest Origins; 2022 Game III.

Just dont go in for such a shit tackle. Slip or not he chose to make that tackle and "ruin the spectale".

24:38 I’m a Qlder and for jakey to sit there I felt for him 🤦🏽‍♂️😤

The intent was there the moment he jammed out of the line and hit him in the head. Blame the player not the ref.

Surely it’s not hard to see that if you lower the target and then it goes wrong, it’s 10 in the bin, and if you do not lower your target and it does wrong, it’s a send off… I don’t think it affects the origin brand if you try to eliminate head contact. If anything, there’s a different view where if players know that head contact is more acceptable in origin under a pressure cooker environment, there may not be the same amount of risk taken whether it be tackling or anything else which would impact the “rough” brand… thoughts?

Kempy is dead wrong. Joseph should’ve been sent for the game, but QLD shouldn’t win purely off a head high. NSW should be down a player, QLD activates 18th man. Joseph cops a long ass ban and a fine for being an idiot. Spectacle saved. NSW suffer a big disadvantage. QLD suffer a small disadvantage.

10 min sin bin won’t deter teams taking out opposition players. Next time someone gets their head taken off they might not get up.

Denan gets origin

Bro of COURSE it was intentional how is this even a question why tf should qld concede that he wasnt intentionally going for his head

Watched the replays. Agree Reece didnt slip. He was slightly lower then upright due to passing the ball. A great shame the matxh was ruined but it was the right call.

The argument has to be that it's not a consistent punishment. If he does that tackle 2 mins into the game, or 2 mins left in the game he gets sent off but the punishment inflicted is completely different. So the solution is the player get's ejected , then after 20 mins another player can come on.

Pretty childish attack on the ref who was clearly getting orders through the bunker.

What about in origin or any games any send off the player goes for 10 bin he doesn’t come back at all so you play with 16

Boys, imagine if Hammer laid out Cleary, you had Burton to cover him and after 10 mins he's back on the field without a try being conceded...

The fact that everyone agrees it was a send-off if there was a way to replace the player sent off shows it was the right call. Knowing you will be responsible for ruining the game should be a suitable deterrence.

I was There I Saw A Brutal Tackle on my Feet to applaud. He was sent off I was like come on 10 in the bin. Now that I look back I think the send off was right. But I hated that we only had 12 men If we’re allowed to get Button out there I think it would have been fine

The beak is just choosing his own narrative and is good at this argument. It’s like saying to Walsh don’t go for it and don’t use all your speed like it’s just something that happened and it will happen again. I’d love to wait to see it on the other foot.

I agree.. but the NRL market SOO on the big hits.. the NRL need to shift their approach from the top

Good work denan. How these guys can try reason that qld should lose Walsh and be punished over nsw in the end is laughable

so rather than concede that the hit was reckless, they want to change the rules....

13:02 exactly tackle around the legs or tackle different omg these guys are clearly fried 😅

Union Joe making it rain copium in NSW

you can always tell who is in it for the spectacle vs who is in it for the sport, and as ever its why NSW doesn't get Origin.

3:51 4 minutes into this video and I’ve sent myself off 🤦🏽‍♂️💥🤔

cleary cant put points on for us either though

I agree with the Queenslanders who think it should have been 10 in the bin instead of a send off. And there are plenty of them.

Whinge whinge whinge, have a crack at old mate that can't lay a tackle safely

I don't think its that complicated, just find some new rule that punishes the person and team who did the bad thing, but doesn't end the game at MINUTE 7!. Something like "If its a send off, but its in the 1st half they get a different 13th man for the 2nd half", or "10mins off and he can't play the rest of origin", or "He is gone and you now have 3 on the bench". Just some rule that lands somewhere between 10 in the bin, and deciding the game at minute 7.

Spectacle first. Okay so then don't fucking hurt walsh then, he's apart of the Spectacle yet in 2 origins now someone has gone out and taken him out of the game, that's absolute bullshit, QLD has had 5 put out of the game in the last 3 matches, how is that fair for the "Spectacle"

The best way to keep the spectacle is for no one to be sent off. The best way for no one to be sent off is to play the game right. The easiest way to play the game right is to not be reckless. And the best way to not be reckless is to practice your defensive plays and focus on your own footy instead of fearing what qld might do. In the end it’s a game of mm but it’s the peak of our game you have to get it right both for your state and for the game itself. It’s not your regular Sunday afternoon game everyone is watching you and you better hope they are watching you do it right and not go for cheap shots. I love the boys but their take on this is trash keep at them kempy hopefully they come to understand after their salty bitch period.

suali robbed the fans not the game , food for thought for that young man . No matter what a players health is more important than whether a fan loses a few dollars or the blues have an excuse for a winge

I haven’t seen this view but let’s say Walsh isn’t cat 1 an suili only gets 10 in the bin Walsh still has to go off for 15 minutes for the test even that’s not fair.

So what Kempy is trying to say is that if at any time a player gets ruled out of the game due to an action by an opposing player…its an immediate send off cause it disadvantages the other team??

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Best product includes having walsh on the field playing. We were robbed of that from an intentional reckless head shot that could of done so much more damage than just the knock out. I don't care if it "ruined" nsw chance. The only person to blame here is Suualii

Martin's hit was pretty good, but I'm pretty sure Hammers' third try was a pretty big hit. Big enough to kill a certain dribbly stream at least.

Also a Qlder why Andrew John’s in the nsw camp helping Cleary with tips etc and nothing for hynes.

I'm a blues supporter, but man that's a send off. Doesn't set a good precedent if that's only 10 in the bin. All eyes are watching and I feel people would be turned off the sport if it wasn't a send off. I don't get this stupid argument from Queenslanders saying he was trying to take Walsh out though. If that were the case the blues wouldn't be silly enough to have 4 forwards on the bench and no centre/wing coverage.

Think it’s so easy to talk about “speaking for the game” once it has gone against your team. The same people who are taking issue with this decision being made in Origin are the same people who probably have an issue with inconsistent refereeing in the NRL - you can’t have it both ways. We can’t act like the Origin and NRL are mutually exclusive either - they have repercussions for one another, both with refereeing standards and suspensions.

So all blasting out the line in defence is reckless? If you blast out the line and smoked walsh around the hips is that reckless?

Kemp mate I think the main the T&E are trying to point out is that no one is disagreeing that Sualii's hit was cooked, send him off that's fine cause Walsh ultimately didn't return on the field. But replace Sualii. No one wants to watch a 13 v 12 game (maybe QLD). There is too much money in the game to have games decided by a mismatch in player numbers. I think about NFL - players get sent off for dangerous helmet to helmet shots, next player up. At no stage does it deviate from 11 v 11. You see the impact on the game due to player skill (e.g a starter comes off and a 1st or 2nd string player steps up). If the team loses, then at least you know it was due to player skill and not cause you played a man down. inb4 "NFL squads are 52", well we have extended benches - let's use them. With the non-contact injuries peaking this year (hamstrings, groins etc.), having a 2nd rower out in the centres or forward rotation absolutely thrown out of wack cause of a 13 v 12 scenario just doesn't seem logical.

Two words: tackle lower 🤔

How do youse not mention Isaya Katoa at 7. Kicking game. 40/20 specialist. Composed from kick off to fulltime. Does his job well

Kemp: Lists off stats, gee that was a pretty good game. No, Hynes did not have a good name. His stats show he ran, great, he killed how many attacking plays by running on the forth, ensuring he didnt get the ball for the 5th? He was afraid of the ball. He was afraid to make a decision. He was afraid to pull the trigger on anything.

lets say its 2024 Grand final broncos v panthers and cobbo tackles edwards (identical to the walsh/Suailli tackle) in the 8th min and cobbo gets sent off, I bet kempy changes his mind