Islam is not a shonen🤣

Lol

Haha!

Shafiq Sha we confuse ourselves if we dont face the facts

@@Yassine_98 it does have harems though

lol, muhamed worshipers are irreligious people and you are a funny bot

@@worfoz "Pray to Muhammad" Lol yeah yeah lol false god jesus you never met a muslim dont you

@@AryaputraGemilang No, muslims do not exist anymore. Muhamedans pray to muhamed and hois associate alla, like the innovation shahada tels them Islam is about Isa´s God, muhamedansism is about muhameds alla. Jesus is the real god of 2.5 billion christians, you hate that, but I respect religions

@@worfoz stfu

@@theren2486 You know, it is really a good idea to just shut up when you don't know anything.

Ok, that's fine but what he quickly glossed over is the fact that Dan Gibson went and did the research in person and no one else has he says it's because 'it's not important' but it's because no one dares question Islam. If you know anything about any of the research into this this documentary is worthless at best. He's just using anecdotal information to deny it. Most likely he is an arab Muslim and to them their religion is 100% pure from start to finish zero mistakes and they could never admit they were wrong. He is wrong, I'm pretty certain of that. Dan Gibson isn't an anti Muslim, quite the opposite he loves Islam and the arab countries almost more than anyone I've seen from the west. He would have loved to verify Mecca if his research would have permitted. He is just a historian.

mosques in islamic spain also did this. apparently they held on the opinion that the general direction of prayer was sufficient to make the prayer valid instead if actually facing it

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allah is the east and west so quran says dont border about directions, god is everywhere, you dont earn something in positioning your body in this or that direction...

Javanese Kejawen Hindu Suryaman chopping his penis and bowing to desert incestuous tribes! Shame shame

Dan Gibson investigated the early mosques and their foundation.

@monotfrommeccamonotfrommec1520 similar scenario to what it is now. A lot of mosques were built on the location of existing buildings. It was easier to convert an existing building than raze it and re build it. The Hagia Sofia is a prime example.

This is seen in places like the Hagia Sophia as well. In any case, many original mosques in Islamic lands aren't even fully oriented to Mecca. Premodern astronomical technique was good but not always perfect but has been resolved by aligning the prayer rugs with Mecca even if it makes the orientation within the building somewhat awkward.

@@adnaanu the Hagia Sophia verdict changed everything for Turkey 😂the almighty made nice turkey roast of turkey,, it was a joy.

@monotfrommeccamonotfrommec1520 not sure what you are referring to? What is the Hagia Sofia verdict?

I'm also an atheist, however, do not feel the same. Have you read the Quran, what do you think of 98:6, 9:5 or 9:29? Why should one respect a book that says such things against others?

Thanks I like atheists like you

@@theastronomer5800 context is a thing

@@theastronomer5800 You know, one day, you should grab a translation of the Quran and read it contextually, from beginning to the end. Instead of cherry picking verses that are part of a larger conversation and the point that the sura or that part of the sura is trying to make. None of the verses in their proper context say, what you think they are saying.

@@mrweirdguy5249 Of course, and I have three translations at home and have read the Quran twice, along with many hadiths and tafsir. Have you read what Ibn Kathir for example has to say about 9:5 and 9:29? The context seems rather clear to me.

Shafiq Sha noo noo we confuse ourselves with ignorance and close minds ! Thats our problem azhab 50 explain it to me plz in quran

The way muslims pray even that isnt in quran ! Who made it up we sont even know , probably the non muslim arabs way of praying! Allah is the same word as well !

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE back box? It's called the kaaba

@@cemasikoglu9597 trying to b funny eh....?

Eerie Von no your just writing to write something answer me with knowledge so we can discuss

Perhaps

@@judicatorhurayth1927 The funny thing is actually a Flat Earther and Quranist Sam Gerrans actually believes in this Petra Theory 😂

That is the weirdest guy i ever seen!!!@@Saif_VAGABOND_Talpur

@@Saif_VAGABOND_Talpur what a fool

@@----f Who?

Lol this is a lie. We have very old masjids dating back to the time of the Prophet. Search masjid al qiblatayn in somalia. 2 qibla since it used to be towards Jerusalem but got changed to Makkah during the prophets lifetime.

@@duckgoat7570 Thank you for attempted rightmakin. Article in wikipedia doesn't say how the mosque was dated. All I know is that there has been much deception since the very beginnin so, without bein an intensive scholar on the topic, I have no way to validate nor to invalidate any particular statement I am not interested to spend much time findin details, but would rather see a finished presentation by someone else. Therefore, without bein willin to spend the time, I cannot discuss it with you in a way that might bring, to you, satisfaction. However I will warn you against "conformism" (which is horizontal or social) versus actually askin "God" for the answer (vertical), which he promised that he will give if we ask.

Dan Gibson dedicated a lifetime to these discoveries. The more astonishing thing is that islamists in the middle age (or whatever period that was) decided to change facts, erase evidence and started to live by lies ... and they still do to this day. Apparently to avoid the pain of being wrong and deceived and lied to and telling lies for hundreds of years. But is that the reason for the violent nature of islam?

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Did you not watch the video? It gives a perfect explanation as to why that is

yeah I was thinking the same. It would then not only be a muslim conspiracy but a christian one as well. Why in the universe would they do that?

Arabia Petraea was a vassal kingdom of Byzantine ruled by Ghassanid, a Nestorian believers dynasty

@Siraj Haq your thinking is foolish and without credential value if it lacks the evidence and contradict the truth

Yes

@Siraj Haq Qureshis was a north arabian tribe , north arabians go back to a man called Adnan who lived in the time of Jesus , and the name Adnan was very common in the nabataeans civilization i think after the destruction of the nabataeans kingdom by the romans in 100 AD , many tribes migrated to Hijaz one of them was Qureshis that migrated to Mecca the Nabataeans were the descendants of Ishmael so no contradiction with the fact that the prophet is a descandant from Ishmael

You're 100% right. For example, I'm a Christian, and I'm fascinated by Islamic history because I didn't learn much about it in school. I trust this guy a lot to give me an unbiased and genuine and scientific conclusion without letting his own religious views misguide his judgement.

@@shafiqsha9875 There is a refutation to this theory available on KZfaq kzfaq.info/sun/PLW1vycCEWR7EhexQWeJrw0701YITXjxZe I am not aware of any western leading scholar who has agreed with Dan Gibson's theory, but rather many have disagreed, primarily because he doesn't analise his sources and because he doesn't take into account how the early Muslims calculated the Qibla.

You are astounded much too easily!

@IIOO Im sorry what are you trying to say? I don’t understand

He has some liberal bias but that's fine

Shame.

Petra's photos on my Twitter! ASAP!

Al Muqaddimah I sent some over! :)

@@AlMuqaddimahYT If you Don't answer me then I am gonna Stop watching your Videos,my question is that did Aurangzaib regret Killing his Brothers ? Because he must have known that doing so was a Major Sin in ISLAM! Hence did He or Did he Not????? Please do answer don't be rude and arrogant!!!!!

Although that he needs to assume a massive cover-up over a long time and a large and diverse area, with _all_ books mentioning an important fact being changed, should ring all the alarm bells that you can imagine. History doesn't work that way; if someone needs to claim something like that for their revolutionary new theory to work, you can usually bet that it's wrong.

@@varana yeah, I think Christians and Jews can use the same argument, how their books could be changed as muslins claim without anyone noticing it, and when that modification could have taken place..., But here we are talking about Islam, so I'm not bringing that here. I have my pros and cons, since the Muslim faith was relatively new and I don't know if in every corner of the empire people were well aware of all things,at least the common people those that weren't able to read arabic. But I'm not adamant about it.

This explanation is as bad as the explanation provided for why Mary is confused with Mary the sister of Aaron and Moses, and why the quran says that Jews consider Uzzair as the Son of God. It is called clutching for straws.

Actually a city in the North completing down plays how importantance the Hadj is. Your second point of rewriting history by later authors, draws into question the reliably of the recorded Quran.

tdwebste3 The Quran was supposedly revealed in 620, an entire Quran was discovered dating from 640 pretty much the same, twenty years is not a lot for the Quran to have been changed so much, and there have been Quran pages discovered at the time of Muhammad carbon dated back to his time, which are the same.

The Byzantines make no mention of the religion of the Arabs. There is a Byzantine document saying Mecca was in Arabia Patrea. So yes they mention Petra

They tried everything. Even made up strange idea such as Prophet Muhammad was trained by church. Lmao

@@wamulyati3605 🤣 they’re literally stupid

@@RedWolf75 can u provide a link or source to that document u claim? or are u just spewing nonsense?

@@RedWolf75 The suggestion that it was Petra and not Mecca is still wrong. The Quran itself refers to the Nabateans of Petra and condemns them for their polytheism (Quran 15:80-83). Why would the Quran refer to the Nabateans as a different community than the Quraish? It's because they are different.

Hahaha sure buddy.

Dan is fool

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

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lol I find it funny that non-muslims find this misdirected qibla as "suspicious" and try to creates controversy over it, when us muslims are so accustomed to find carpets that set up at odd angle against the wall because the mosque was built in wrong direction.

Yes but early mosques analized by Gipson that pointed to the same spot(petra) that is not random. And that is the point and mistery of the research. Not that some face in other direction but that a group of early mosques faces petra. Why?

Actually these missionary & atheists couldn't convince muslim. Now they are trying to confuse muslims with many things.

@@shafiqsha9875 There is a refutation to this theory available on KZfaq kzfaq.info/sun/PLW1vycCEWR7EhexQWeJrw0701YITXjxZe I am not aware of any western leading scholar who has agreed with Dan Gibson's theory, but rather many have disagreed, primarily because he doesn't analise his sources and because he doesn't take into account how the early Muslims calculated the Qibla.

@@TahaWasiq He said Muslim pray to Black stones. It said all about his knowledge about Islam.

@@shafiqsha9875 Virtually all of the western scholars, even the atheist ones disagree with Gibson. I just can't see a serious historian agreeing with such absurd theory

@Siraj Haq you make a pretty good point. Arabic was a backwater language just spoken amongst the Arabs who were tributaries of either the Byzantines or Persians, who know how much those dominant cultural influences seeped into the Arabs and therefore Islam unknowingly before the Islamization of Persia.

@dorderre with more followers comes more responsibility...

WELL, ITS ALL THE MAGIC OF ARAB MONEY! IT DOES WONDERS!! 😄😄😄😆😆😆😁😁😁😎😎

Yes bro exactly what I was tbinking

Finally someone said it, I am an Arab too and noticed it myself

Yeah, u know that knowledge so speak up LOUDER bro, dont be shy.

Directions are determined by scientific approach not Arabic vowels 🤨🤨🤓🤓🤓

You can't change history, just as you can't say Mecca is the place of Adam and hundreds of prophets, whereas history never records that place existed before the 7th century. listen, there is not enough water source, there will be no civilization, period.

@@Martin-lv1xw for people who think earth is flat, it might

Arabs not muslims

you know the world is a globs right. so ultimately you would have been right. Just the longer way around lol.

The quran instructs us to pray anywere between the hemisphere which includes the qibla.

Taha Wasiq all muslims should face one direction but it has to be correct dont you think ?

@@shafiqsha9875 at this point you're just spamming the same thing on every comment. I dont think anything you say can be taken seriously

Trust me, there were more than a few charlatans like Gibson who masquerade under the guise of academia but instead are missionaries

That's why you should look for professionals with no agenda to defend.

@@glasgowblackchigowski6117 Gibson spent over 25 yrs studying in arabia and living through it. don't tell me you know more about the culture than he does. u should credit him for doing what muslims r not doing at all: RESEARCH.

@@cuteawais Gibson's research is as good as my failed school project, there are countless other researchers other than him who are more competent and don't share his views at all, that's historically speaking. But if we come to faith, picking on myslims saying that they don't research their religion as much as the others do, that's big fat lie. Muslims are most knowledgeable about their religion more than any faith in the world, we know our religion inside and outside, unlike mr Gibson's faith that makes him a lot more biased in doing more speculations than real research.

@Saad Bin MasudI studied at Jesuit school, I know what I'm talking about

tkasih!

@@fnulnu6 Sama-sama!

Agreed

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Well, dan gibsons theory is very good too, im convinced

@@braham_1137 kzfaq.info/sun/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE Masjidil Haram in Makkah was not the first mosque bro

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE ok

Dan Gibson is a Christian Romans 3:7 - The New International Version (NIV) 7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”

If you were conflicted and confused by Dan Gibson then I'm afraid you have very weak iman. How about you learn about your deen from Islamic scholars instead of shayateen

@@GTGforever turn to Allah now as Jesus did and all the prophets before it's too late

@@GTGforever seriously stop embarrassing yourself and STFU. Lying to yourself is a mental illness

This is 100% the truth...the pyramids are spot on and almost every monument from that era all point to the four corners. I know there are some that dont and are believed by some to be pre the current poles but that's another discussion but a lot of them are 99.9% accurate. It's obvious from the start that this kid already doesn't believe and he is just presenting the facts as laze fair as possible to make them seem insignificant. You can't have some fat old white man telling the entire arab community that they are wrong. I've seen the dan Gibson documentary at least 15 times because I am western Muslim and I think his evidence is near irrefutable. The big hang up is that in Islam they consider their religion 100% pure from the moment gibriel or gabriel first spoke to Muhammad until now they say their text is unchanged therefore it is the only pure word because christianity which they acknowledge in a positive way still falls short because the original texts of Jesus were destroyed. So I get the hesitation but for non arab muslims we are open to any new evidence because we aren't tied down to dogma.. Dan Gibson saying they pray towards the black rock is nothing but colloquial at best, it doesn't matter... the kabba and the rock are in the exact same place.. I stopped watching at 5 mins because I can't stand the dance when it's clear someone is biased from the start.. they did a satellite linked study that showed all of the kiblahs pre the big change in 673 to 750 point towards Petra, not Jerusalem, not Mecca but Petra and it makes 100% sense

So I further listened to about half way and this kid is just reaching. It's just a pure hit piece. I get it I guess but what a waste of time to just be wrong... you have to say to yourself you're wrong and prove that the wrong isn't right before you can go with your final conclusion. This young man obviously can't do that..

There are alot of mosques around the Islamic world that have only recently corrected their qiblah people made alot of mistakes back in the day and specifically at directions i don't know if you read history or not but it was common for travelers to find themselves in a completely different area than they wanted to go while still using those tools

​@@isseabdirahmanweheliye9010 So did all those early kiblas pointing to Petra precisely, make a mistake too? All of them made the same mistake? Obviously they knew the direction and it was Petra

He didn't address any of the actual points of Gibson. Why do the mosques point towards Petra to within an error of only 2.9 degrees? Gibson's work is also supported by linguistic, epigraphic, numismatic and trade route studies over the last few decades - they all point to northern origins of Islam.

@@theastronomer5800 hmm. Good points. And given that Islam is highly influenced by Christianity and Judaism, it would not be surprising to have a Northern origin like the other two abrahamic faiths.

Regardless, just the fact that he's willing to explore this topic impresses me. Modern Muslim thinking is much too conservative, and this is on the border of sensitive as far as mainstream islamic topics go.

@@maisa5943 That is very true. I have seen too many Muslims dismiss any historical evidence as soon as it contradicts their traditional narrative. I find the history very fascinating. Have you read the books by Dr. Puin and Dr. Ohlig by any chance, super interesting! (Early Islam, and The Hidden Origins of Islam). They contain many contributions by scholars in different fields. I find the early Islamic coins very interesting myself! Jay Smith did a decent survey of them if you're have never looked into them (he's a Christian apologists, so you can ignore the few times he talks about Jesus, but his historical summaries are good to listen to). Cheers!

Dan Gibson has 120+ videos on this subject, (=EXTENSIVE RESEARCH) now muslims are all about WISHFULL THINKING concerning the DEMOLISHING MISTAKES IN ISLAM, but they should realize a 10 minute video, is really not going to answer the EXISTING PROBLEMS in this case about PETRA/Mecca....do more research muslims, get your brains active

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE yeah ik only the sauds and some tribe in saudi Arabia are allowed to go inside

@Estex There are apps that tell you the directions. But as el muqqadima said, while qibla is vital, we usually tend to face a general direction that should technically make us face Mecca if I am in an unfamiliar environment. But for example, if you are in my home and ask me about qibla, I should know where it is since it is my home after all. Basically, it is the sense of direction that guides you.

@Estex what my school teach is muslim face mecca for praying but the actual kiblat is ur sincerity to face kiblat not the mecca itslef, mecca is kinda symbolization to help us show and rationalize our faith. I mean praying can take us at least a minute and many people more than 5 mnute, when praying on ship or plane we can't ask the captain to not making any directional change so we stay facing mecca

I have a question.... if you face the Kabah anywhere in the World and then turn backwards meaning the Kabah is in the back... You still face the Kabah technically...

@@CharDhue I mean you are metaphorically facing the place where god technically dwell but god dwells everywhere

Oh really who said so a mortal man ?

@@1-gz7xy Historians say so

Even 800 years prior to Islam, the Arabs were well known for their navigation skills. That’s why their core business was traders and caravan merchants

​@@MPika-qd8jk Good question. 1. The name "Badr" is not a name of a place, it means "full moon". The battle of Badr means battle of full moon. Another name of the battle is Battle of Hunin (Battle of Nostalgia). The term Badr itself has no relation to geography. 2. The first account of Battle of Badr was described in Ibn-Ishaq's biography of Mohammed (100 years after the battle), in that biography, there is not a single geographical description of the place of the battle. 3. Then Ibn-Hisham expounded a little bit based on Ibn-Ishaq's description (170 years after the battle, 70 years after Ibn-Ishaq). 4. The first account of geographical description about this battle we find is in Al-Tabari's work (250 years after the battle, 80 years after Ibn Hisham). He allegedly found the geographical description from a "letter" sent to the caliph Abdul-Malik (250 years after the battle). There is no authenticity of source regarding this letter that suddenly appeared out of nowhere. 5. Not a single historian or caliph before Abdul-Malik never knew about that letter. The Abdul Malik's letter describes the location of battle to be currently known place in Saudi Arabia. 6. The last point: according to Ibn-Hisham and Ibn-Ishaq, a caravan with war and food supplies was set out SOUTHWARD from Damascus Syria to the holy city of Mecca, Muslim soldiers heard about the news and went to NORTH to loot the caravan. How would you explain it? I didn't do any research regarding Tabuk. Therefore I can't comment on this issue. It's an open and interesting research problem, people should pursue it. Perhaps I will dig into it in the future.

@@MPika-qd8jk People only resort to bad mouthing or personal attacks when they are incapable of conducting a civil discussion. Never saw a single Muslim in my life who has a shred of capacity to engage in civil argument without being emotional. I am not assuming anything about your personal knowledge or conviction. Neither I am passing any judgement about your character. But you are continuously engage in in such kind of behavior. Okay I agree, I lack knowledge (I am not expert in every domain of knowledge), I have no problem admitting that. BUT I don't engage in discussion unless I am presented with a CLEAR and PRECISE source. Now educate me. Read my comment again, present me ONE VERSE where it describes anything specific and clear description about the geographical location of the battle of badr in the Quran. And show me which hadeeth it says badr is a name of a place. غزوة بدر literally means battle of the full moon in old Arabic. Show me proofs that 17th of Ramadan date is not from Al-Tabari's book you found it from Ibn-Hisham or Ibn-Ishaq's work. (or from Quran or Hadeeth).

Yeah i mean you are blaming muslims to not take seriously a claim some guy just made about mecca out of nowhere. Where all of history is so rigid and relatively well understood that a kaaba change happens and no one says anything about it except some guy 1400 years later ?? And you are suggesting us to take it seriously and we are close minded if we don't ?? This is like saying donald trump is the terminator and we are close minded to not explore the idea.

@@abdullahmuzaffar2483 None of what you have said is a counter argument. What you are basically saying is "you are wrong". I don't understand what is the point of writing an entire paragraph? You could have just finished it in one line. Lol.

These "researchers" are explaining questions that nobody ever asked.

@Saad Bin Masud historical flaws?

@Saad Bin Masud you're free to publish your own scholarly works in that field, let's see your arguments and evidence.

@Saad Bin Masud Eww disgusting, go away.

@Saad Bin Masud Historical flaws like what ?! Can you give me examples

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Shia religion was created in the third Islamic century. 😏

@@Irfan--Khan Without lies Islam dies.

@@worfoz • That's your personal opinion. 😏

Do you know that the Qarmatians stole the Black Stone for thirty years and transported it to Al-Ahsa, which is east of Saudi Arabia, and then ordered the Arabs to go on pilgrimage to it? What do you think was the response of the Arabs? The Arabs ignored their demands and made a pilgrimage to Mecca because the land is holy, understand?

And many early islamic inscription flourish in Arabia.. And petra is very silent..

There is a masjid(mosque) in Makkah with a rock inscription slab dating back to the early 600s... I visited the masjid & i read the rock inscription.

@@yakmi1116 i don't know about that, but Hejaz is very flourish on islamic inscription..

@@ekadria-bo4962 because hejaz have huge mountains and big cities like in Taif & Thaqif & have large fertile cities oasis like Madina & it's close to Tihama & Yemen..... There's no doubt that nowadays Makkah is the same as the pre-islamic Makkah.

@@yakmi1116 there is no pre.-islamic makkah

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Avi lipkin and anis sorrosh did research on this in order to refute kaba was built by Abraham, the research stagnant with conclusions it was built by Jewish setlers.. And it's not Petra but the current one (today Mecca)

Yeah made more sense if Abraham made ka’bah in petra than in mecca because he left his wife hagar and his son. No way they can survive in a small desert town without somewhere to plant a wheat or palm tree to eat. And in islam it was described being a big city as traders pass by to collect water from zam zam well, but if many trader passes by then at least it will be mentioned in a map or something

Actually these missionary & atheists couldn't convince muslim. Now they are trying to confuse muslims with many things.

@@muhammadridhosinuraya Lol, your words "in Islam" is about the later period where Mecca developed as City, but not yet in Hagar and Ismail time.

Avi lipkin did much better works than him ,he's a jewish anti islam

@@inongbalee3092 Who's Avi Lipkin? What are you talking about?

@@NP1066 he's a jewish anti Muslims just like I said ..he wrote the book return to Mecca... he did lots of academic research for this matter and its far more convincing than Gibson one ..such as who built the kaba,

@@inongbalee3092 You're presenting him as an anti-muslim and you expect me to like or be interested with what I'm hearing? That's a turn-off right away. As a Jew myself I'm against people who are anti-muslims. I wouldn't dedicate my studies to Islam if I didn't like and respect muslim people and Islam.

@@NP1066 my emphasis is even though hes an anti islam he still presenting reliable academic reports on his research which later he compile into a books ..his research started from moses exodus so it's cover Petra, though his conclusions are differ with muslim stand point but it's not an issue

also a big mistake he made. Alexandrias books were not burned by muslims. It was by the christians. The muslim made great findings of the second great library in Persia when they conquered it. He totally flipped the history. the christians were having a war struggling to hold Rome when they burned the library saying they only need the bible, now he's saying the muslims did it. (check Dr.Roy Casandra's research for details) Im not trying to hate on any religion, just simply stating arguments and facts that were misinterpreted and altered.

@@fahmeedamohammad217 I was not aware that he thought Muslims burned Alexandria WHAT? No way is Dan reliable, this video proves that and also many other points such as battles fought around Mecca, and with graves, that date back to the prophet (PBUH) time.

Dan Gibson's theory can be easily disproved because he makes a lot of assumptions to fill in the gaps and TRY to reason with them. But mainly he fails because he has poor knowledge of hadiths and gets many references to be outright false. An arabic youtuber (who speaks english) refuted almost everything about his theory. From the hadiths he misinterpreted or got wrong, to the Qibla argument among others. kzfaq.info/sun/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_

@@AFGsultanZ Check my reply above, it will help toy greatly.

@@silentbyte196 I will look into it 🙏

you are correct. Do you have some material I can read on about Changez changing things

I perfectly agree. The Islamic Golden Age ended due to a reason. Hopefully we can overcome that mistake and go back to reason. And that’s coming from a non-Muslim (me).

@Saad Bin Masud I know.

The Islamic "Golden Age" ended because of the crystallisation of Sunni Islam. The Islamic world cannot "go back to reason" as long as Sunni orthodoxy breathes. So one might ask, why was there an age of reason in Iraq and Persia for 300 years. Well, it is precisely because of how cosmopolitan the society and the intellectual classes were. People then and there could actually read Ancient Greek and Persian (and in the 8th/9th centuries, Sanskrit too!!). Islamic legal scholarship was more of a cottage industry, which in today's Near Eastern Studies scholarship is magnified beyond belief. Once the Ulema moved out of their cottage industry role to become the dominant side-kick or dominant full-stop institution in the Islamic world, reason and creativity and culture/arts were soon to die out. There is a serious contradiction in calling this Golden Age "Islamic" given that Islam (whatever Islam often means) played the most central role in extinguishing free thought.@@kekkek2852

​@paulthomas281 Did you learn about this 'end of reason with Sunni Islam' from E Michael Jones? If not where, as I'd like to learn more. Thanks

Sufi merchants!

9 sufis from two periods of times I believe, started from abbasid era

How Islam spread in middle east is based on tyranny of Ummayyad and Abbasid. The struggling to bring back as Rashiduum Caliphate is impossible and still today!

In human record, there is one from 6th century. The charter of medina or medina treaty. There's also one from the beginning of time, the Quran 48:24

​@@wantrevize Ibn Ishaq's Sirah, supposed to be dated at early 8th century is the earliest source of the charter. But it is also lost writings, referenced by Ibn Hisham in the 9th century. Earliest attestable writing about the charter is then dated at 9th century. Same problem for the Abû 'Ubayda writings about the charter, referenced by Tabarî in the 10th century. How do you respond to that ?

So , tell me where is cave of Hira , cave of thaur in petra? How muslim goes to ethopia in first hejrat ?

Additional objective information kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obejm9mTyammnpc.htmlsi=42XZNN2ZOrltfJWh

Interesting can you provide the source 🤔

@@umaryusuf537 "Diodorus Siculus writes about Arabia in his work Bibliotheca historica"

@@adamroodog1718 interesting I wonder what city he’s referring to coils be Petra could be something else we have way to know. Also I looked at Dan Gibsons claims and there are a lot of issues with a lot of his points from him Mis translating words to using fabricated sources to not being fully fair according to his own judgement. With that his claim isn’t strong enough and I don’t by the fact that Petra was the first Qibla. What do you think?

@@umaryusuf537 to tell you the truth umar i dont know and i dont know if anyone truely will know now after so much time. the qibla of the early mosques seems like there is something to it. what that something is again i dont know. the saudis remove anything we could learn about early islam like aisha's house, now a car park and public toilet, the graves of the companions of the prophet, the contents of the kaaba and they were even going to destroy the green mosque during the first gulf war. the cave of hira looks man made to me. especially the roof. the etymology of the word mecca is something like in phonecian is ruined, old arabic is santuary, and narrow, which also seems to fit with petra. in the koran there are alot of traders and merchants. i think its described as the mother of all cities with roads leading north south east and west. that doesnt really fit with mecca. if you were going to jedda for example you would have to leave the plateau go down into the desert to get to mecca and then up again to get back on the road to jedda. ive often thought that if i was islamic and was on the one haj of my poor life would i go to mecca or petra? my answer to myself was i would go to mecca but i would also visit petra just in case. haha. im sitting on the fence dan gibson may or may not be self serving, or blinded by what he has found or even just plain wrong. alot of people who do things like this focus on their discovery and then see it everywhere in everything. but he brings up enough questions that need answers whether he is wrong or not. im interested in the truth. im not religious and not trying to say islam is wrong, im just trying to understand a very interesting part of history. all religions i have studied have this period after the main man dies and before the rules of the religion are set that i find fascinating. budha for example didnt want anyone to pray to him. he wanted the people to focus on learning from his teachings. but people being people made him into a god. at his temples which are called a stupas they paint the face of budha but without ears so budha can never hear the people praying to him. christianity was for jews only until paul returned from corinth with money from the new converts. and now maybe mecca isnt where it is supposed to be. or the inscriptions on the al aqsa mosque dont appear anywhere in the koran, whats up with that. its just something i find really interesting i hope you and your family are happy and healthy and you had a wonderful eid with them recently best of luck adam

@@adamroodog1718 interesting analysis you have. Yeah Dan Gibson does bring up some interesting questions but as far as I’ve seen most have been answered there’s a 30 part series on KZfaq by a Muslim KZfaq who address many of Dans points I cab link it if your interested in watching it

Great comment.

kzfaq.info/sun/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_ Also 2nd century Mecca The historic consensus in academic scholarship has long been that "Macoraba", the place mentioned in Arabia Felix by Claudius Ptolemy, is Mecca.[24] More recent study has questioned this association.[25] Many etymologies have been proposed: the traditional one is that it is derived from the Old South Arabian root M-K-R-B which means "temple".[25]

Detective o will made a really good playlist for all of this. You should check it out and you should watch all the videos as it goes in parts of course.

The burden of proof is upon you and not upon those who believe it’s Mecca. It is totally impossible for Gibsons ‘hypothesis’ to be true.

@@AaronHafeezGFX Actually, the burden of proof resides entirely with Islam. They are the ones making outrageous historical claims. Dan Gibson challenges that, and the muslims don't like being challenged.

That why some orientalist said Islam is actually one of branch of christianity, and some said that created by some christian priest

Did Meccans frozen in time,did they just go extinct hahahah The owner of this channel is Syawish who is atheist one side ,islam another. so that explain this nonsense. Hadiths mentioned all the details of Mecca,if Petra is Mecca,where is Zam Zam Well? Where is Safa Marwah where the Hajar wife of Abraham were running up n down with Ishmael in her hands,wheres this and that valleys? If Petra is Mecca why are archaeologists all affirmed the library located outside Kaabah was a house that Muhammad was gave birth at,and theres measurements of his house size and companions house sizes and nothing like Petra. Islam has seperate history on Petra,not Muhammads history. Hadiths are made by chain.of narrators.individuals who had history of lying or such and narrates a hadith will make the chain weak.So we take the chains that are mostly of holy ppl.and individually judged by the community no biasness. Kaabah was damaged not destroyed. Sauds will smack this Paki Syawish who is torned between being athiest n muslim.and being a wack ass historian.

I feel like there is an incredibly modern assumption in thinking it would be noticed.

@@Kuudere-Kun exactly. Not many original muslims to begin. No many maps existed. Many muslims died in war etc. The. Petra got excinct by earthquakes, nobody lift there anymore. The stone had already been moved to Mekka...

Dan Gibson's hypothesis is very weak. i right away dumped it when I learned about it. The language spoken at Petra is Aramaic. If Dan Gibson is correct the earliest quran should have been in Aramaic. Yet the quran had always been written and recitated in Arabic - with the dialect of Mecca.

The direction matters but there is a 45 degree tolerance. And if you totally miscalculate it even if you did your best, that is also tolerated.

​@@attilaseyfullah8522 The kiblas pointing to Petra are precise, no 45 degree bs tolerance

@@SaintSkanderbegus you call aan who fakes being a Muslim for personal gain a saint. Your opinion has no value.

I love him for that

@khairularchi You don't seem to understand that Mecca is a theory, just like Petra is theory. If Petra does not work, this does not mean Mecca works. Both can be non-starters. Mecca being the setting for many of the Qur'an's surahs is impossible. I don't accept the Petra thesis, and I certainly don't accept the Hijazi Mecca either. This video does absolutely no discussion of 7th century history.

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

of course not - how could a real muslim think otherwise... lol

The hypothesis aims to explain why the early qiblas face towards Petra - that is an archaeological fact. How would you explain it? Gibson's work is well supported by many other researchers over the last few decades. Linguistic and epigraphic studies for example show the likely norther origins of the Quran, numismatic studies show that early Islamic coins were minted in Jordan and Syria for ~100 years after, none in Mecca/Medina. Trade route studies show that Mecca was not know as an important trade city and is not mentioned until after Muhammad

​@@theastronomer5800 Islamic history is only about 1400 years old. That's not very old in historical sense. It was well into the time when humanity has started keeping written history. So, the idea that the name and location of a city-A was changed to city-B (which is 1200 kms away from city-A) seems far-fetched. With thousands of pilgrims coming to the city every year, even since pre-islamic times, such a conspiracy is very hard to execute by anyone. Then there is the medina period during life-time of Prophet Muhammad. Prophet migrated to medina on foot, crossed the dessert in 8 days. Thats doable for 450kms, but is it for 1250kms? Then we have battles of Badr, Uhud, Trench etc. Where armies are coming from makkah, and medina to fight in between. On this hypothesis, the non-muslim armies would be coming from Petra. Note that by the time of Ummayads, Islam has already spread much farther than Arabian peninsula. Persian and Roman lands were also already captured much earlies. So muslims were coming every year to perform hajj from as far as India, to Morroco. So would be simply impossible for anyone to change a city and relocate kaaba in all historical written records, and oral traditions.

@@silveriorebelo8045because it is stupid, Dan Gibson claims that early mosques face Petra rather than Mecca. But he compares the mosque orientations with MODERN directions of Petra and Mecca. He does not realise that historical qibla directions cannot be the same as modern qibla directions. In fact, the easiest mosque orientations were not calculated at all, but relied on astronomical horizon phenomena, not least because the Kaaba itself is astronomically aligned.

@kingleonidas7594 Exactly. The arguments in Qur'anic Geography have much more evidence than just qibla directions. I doubt the author of this video actually read his works.

Nah there people that early Muslims were Christian

This Theory of Dan Gibson only works if according to him and his ilks Arabs removed the mentioning of Petra Qibla from their Islamic Sources!

Allah itself is an outcome of conspiracy theory

@@adwaitvedant3297 wot?

@@adwaitvedant3297 this then leaves the Arab Christians then in a real dilemma? 🤔

@Port Sap no it's not

Man this is just a theory to make muslim confused they want to question our faith by saying/writing stupid things

watch the channel "sneakerscorner" it will open up ur mind about easily islamic history. gem of a channel

@@cuteawais lier propaganda christen machinery channel

@@izharehaq it gives u facts with proof. That’s all I need. If u don’t want to believe it that’s ur weakness. U can’t accept the truth

@@cuteawais Don’t speak about truth when you write ‘ur’ instead of ‘your’.

Simply not true. Makkah is a valley and is surrounded by mountains. The extended city is mountainous. And Makkah is not carved

BRUH THERE IS A MOUNTAIN IN KABAAH LMAOOOO 💀💀💀💀💀

You have never been to Mecca, have you?

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

This video, by Al Muqaddimah, is not relaying the full account by Dan Gibson. Al Muqaddimah knows that many people, mostly Muslims will not watch Dan Gibson's videos and so won't cross check what is in this video. So, I'll try to give a short (full) view of Dan Gibson........There are over 100 mosques that face either Petra or between Petra and Mecca. (Not just a few like this video claims) The mis-direction of qiblas has been 'known' to the 'West' since about 1820s by German historians and archaeologists. At the time was also the start of archaeology in Egypt. Many times the direction of the mosques have been shown and told to Dan Gibson by the mosque imam or other mosque officials. They have also been measured accurately by GPS co-ordinates. Hajjaj fearing the Gods, purposely pointed his built mosque between Petra and Mecca, as he wasn't sure which direction is best. The scared city of Petra, or the scared black stone, which was by then in Mecca. So it keep it 'fair' he pointed in-between, ie Wasit. Finding out directions between cities was known by many in the region and for many hundreds of years before islam. This how they were able to travel on old caravan routes. It wasn't Zubair who took the Black Stone to Mecca as this video claims, no, it was supporters of Zubair who took it to Mecca for 'safe keeping' in a area which was empty, far and difficult to get to. Zubair stayed behind in Petra to continue fighting, where he was eventually killed. Mecca is not on ancient maps, not because it was not of value to Romans, like this video claims. Al Muqaddimah, is really twisting the truths here. Maps were vitally important to old empires so they can find out what is there or not, and if its worth conquering. Hundreds of years before islam and even before the Romans, the ancient Greeks had already sent geographers around the south arabia region to understand what is there. Again there is no mention of Mecca. Also not by the Persians, Egyptians etc, even though its right on the door step. You'd think if people getting up once a year to travel, walk, all the way to Mecca, who acoording to islam would have been pagans, there'd be some sort of map? Or written account of people going there? But nothing. There are maps by ancient Greeks showing the smallest towns in south arabia, along the coast right into Yemen, but never Mecca? Why? If people had lived in Mecca before islam, then were are the graves of these peoples? There should be hundreds of graves going back hundreds, of years. But nothing. And why is there no archaeology from this region? Its a dry dessert area, so it should preserve artifacts very nicely, but again nothing. Why was the early quran written in a Northen dialect, which was in use in Petra and not the Southern dialect? Why is there a building with the Kabaa building shape in Petra? With the same dimensions that early islamic writer Al-Azraqi wrote about? And which the kabba in Mecca does not fit to?

Why tho ? Can you explain

@@rohitmore3133 Why what? Explain what? .......be specific.

@@tsbkzwct2474 why its absolutely hilarious ?

@@rohitmore3133 lol

The Egyptians were happy to chop of the faces of previous Pharaohs.ie why is there a later head on the older body of the Sphinx?

can you show me where in the Quran mecca is described as green city?

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Where does Quran say that?? 👀

W r u lying dawg? Give the verse

Not really, hehe.. xD

@@avtaras I don't know? They(Muslims in speakers corner) cite the specifics to the point. Christian trolls run away for lack of information. On their part.

haha..sneakers corner debunked speakers corner a few months back. go watch it. Petra is the real Mecca. You're welcome

@@cuteawais Except they didn't? The evidence shown was debunked on the spot

@@cuteawais Christians say that Isaiah 42 is not about Muhammad, because the Sela is not sela of medina but rather in Edom which is Petra. Now, they have to accept prophet Muhammad since they believe Dan Gibson, lol.

I guess there is a good reason why Saudi is now starting to openly talk about its pre-Islamic history as well...

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

@Samsun Nahar here you go. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gL59q9GD2svMlYk.html

no i havent actually

@Siraj Haq just a harmless guess brother chill out.

@Samsun Nahar There is a refutation to this theory available on KZfaq kzfaq.info/sun/PLW1vycCEWR7EhexQWeJrw0701YITXjxZe I am not aware of any western leading scholar who has agreed with Dan Gibson's theory, but rather many have disagreed, primarily because he doesn't analise his sources and because he doesn't take into account how the early Muslims calculated the Qibla.

NO HE DONT, IF U ARE HIS FAN THATS OKAY BUT DONT THROW HIS NAME IN COMMENTS TO GAIN VIEWERSHIP

Cultivating field in Mecca* In his documentary he says Muhammad(PBUH) Father was working in the field one day and came home …after that he argues there is no cultivable land in current day Mecca but there is in Petra so where was the Prophet Muhammad father cultivating? *Answer*word used طين which mean working in clay not cultivating *Muslim forgot Petra?* Pay Attention.The Dan's argument goes as follows .Muslims say Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) at start prayed at Jerusalem then it shifted to Mecca because they read that from al bukhari. And Al Bukhari wrote his collection 100 years after the Qibla change . So till that time(when Bukhari wrote) muslims had forgotten about Petra. Bukhari went to people and asked them but they only remembered that their grandparents prayed toward syria. So Bukhari tried making sense of the information and concluded at start of the Prophethood qibla was jerusalem then it changed to Mecca *Answer*Lets ignore that most of his arguments come from Bukhari . We have Imam Malik bin Anas who has written Mota imam Malik and in his book he writes the same thing as Al bukhari .And he was 39 years old when according to him(dan gibson) Qibla change took place . So he(imam Malik) was not making guesses by what muslims know, at this time according to him(dan gibson) Qibla change took place in front of him but he writes same thing as Al bukhari which means Bukhari statement to be correct and Bukhari not doing guess work and Dan's hypothesis about the Bukhari statement to be wrong *Boundary stones not in modern day Mecca* In his documentary he says that all muslims are commanded to face the forbidden gathering place when they pray . Which is a large area marked by stones. Then he went to say that it should be large or they will be lost. He says there are no marking stones in Modern day Mecca. But there are Square cut stones which are named gin rocks in Petra . There are 20 of these stones that mark all the entrances of Petra. *Answer*There are special boundary stones in Mecca known as أنصاب الحرم you can google them it will show you pictures of these boundary stones . This show's the ignorance of Dan Gibson. How can he say with a straight face there are no boundary stones? So boundary stones exist today and if someone say they are placed by Abbasid We have Imam Malik ,Imam Malik is quoted in the book الدؤنة الكبرى in page number 452 saying Omar Al Khattab(who was even before Umayyads and decades before Abbasids and Qibla change) was the one who found all the boundary stones. Imam Malik who was born 711 CE before the Abbasids came in power which means he saw the boundary stones, that's why he is talking about them . And why he would lie to thousands of eyewitnesses who according to Dan's hypothesis saw Abbasid place the boundary stone ,that the(boundary stones) are before Abbasids. And only abbasids are getting advantages by placing the boundary stone why will Imam Malik would help them cover up when there 1000's of eye witnesses why would Imam Malik would lie and if only one of the eye witness saw him lying he could tell his follower about his lie which could destroy his whole career. *No rain watercourse in Mecca* In his documentary dan gibson says during Hajj muslims have to go 7 times between two mountains Safa and Marwah and Bukhari(the person according to gibson is doing guess work) tell that Prophet chose to do this running in rain watercourse. And he tries to prove that in current day changed Qibla there is no watercourse by showing a drawing literally a drawing. But the description fits Petra *Answer*The word used in hadith is مسيل remember this word. In today's Mecca construction has took place so we can not look for rainwater course in today's Mecca but we can look at description of Mecca before reconstruction and after qibla change(aka after 750 ce) so we can be sure it is talking about current day Mecca and not about Petra. To be fair Dan gibson did that by showing a drawing but drawing's contain inaccuracy . If we look a look at hajj accounts for example hajj account of ibn jubair(born in 1145) in his book Tadkira lel Akhbar Aan Itifakat Al Asfar in 81 he describe the area of safa and marwah having مسيل(rain watercourse) he is after the Qibla change so it means he is walking in the same Mecca as today. Which current day Mecca fit's the description. *Note*:By reconstruction I don't mean they have changed the place, I mean they have expanded so more people can fit in. The place of Safa and Marwah is the same as before they are not moved the slightest The cave of Hira is not facing the city?* Dan Gibson in his documentary argues that in Ibn Hisham 49 say's mountain of hira faces Mecca. But in current day Mecca entrance of cave hira doesn't face Mecca *Answer*The account say Mountain of Hira which by the line you draw is *facing Mecca* *Conclusion*:Current day Mecca fits all description *Problem of distances!!?* Gibson's argument goes as follows.While Ummayads were fighting Ibn Zubair in Mecca ,News came Caliph Yazid passed away and Muawiya bin Yazid became Caliph. Army decided to return to damascus and At Tabri specifically say new caliph survived for only 40 days. How could the army make it to Damascus in less then 40 days? *Answer*At Tabri gives two report one 3 month the other 40 day.even if 40 days are correct no where in the At Tabri report it says they reached before the new caliph died *Did Al Zubair moved the Qibla* First answer, did Tabri someone edited out year 70 out of Tabri book .He(Dan gibson) say that At tabri writes a lot of pages some time 2 chapter but he wrote only some line for year 70. If we look at some other years we find At Tabri only didn't write less in year 70 but he write less in many of his years for example 46,95,49,47,48,52. Gibson argument goes as follow .In year 70 at tabri writes Musaib ibn zubair brings supplies to holy city. At Tabri writes he brought horses and camels.Gibson believe this was the year were Ibn Zubair moves south of petra in the place where is today's current day Mecca and make Kaaba there because horses and camel can only be used for traveling *Answer* word used is دابة which mean animals .It could be any kind of animals like sheep cows and later At Tabri writes he slaughter's the animal for food.The purpose of bringing animal is written there.Plus there is a contradiction Gibson say in year 70 kaaba was moved to Mecca and then shows tabri account of year 65 of building of kaaba.Let me get this straight kaaba was moved in year 70 but when they were moving miracuously Kaaba was already in Mecca and somehow Tabri knew that miraculos kaaba was built 5 year before the moving.The answer is in front of you there is no record of Kaaba moving the year 70 which Dan says, Musaib only brought animals for food. If someone is wondering why did Ibn Zubair rebuilt Kaaba in year 65 it was due to Prophet(PBUH) wanted changes in kaaba but they were not able to do that because they had came out of War. So Ibn Zubair implemented those changes that Prophet wanted in his rebuilding of Kaaba. _Note:Ibn zubair rebuilt kaaba in same place as before and according to gibson theory ibn zubair shifted Kaaba in 70 hijri so rebuilding happen before that which means rebuilding happened at Petra according to gibson theory.By that he has no evidence of building of Kaaba in Mecca and shifting_ *More* -evidences- *Zubair shifting Qiblah!!?* In his documentary he say that people of kufa say to ibn zubair we turn to same qibla as you which is according to him that people of kufa turned to Mecca and joined ibn zubair in facing toward Mecca which is key for understanding what happened later .And kufa playing a major role in development of abbasid dynasty. *Answer*It was not told to Ibn Zubair but to his brother.This statement was said 67 hijra and according to dan gibson(go watch the documentary) ibn zubair shifted Qibla in 70 hijra . Pay attention Ibn zubair moved the Qibla to Mecca in 70 hijra and people of kufa supported his new Qibla 3 year before in 67 hijra.How kufa accepted his change 3 year before the change Hidden Mistake Gibson's assumption is based on the fact that muslim face the black rock. His documentary is based on this that muslim first face Petra then zubair shifted black rock to Mecca causing confusion among muslims and the follower of Zubair took over making Mecca the only Qibla. Which is very stupid and every muslim kid will say against it. If you move the black rock to Washington Muslim will still pray toward Mecca.Muslim face the direction where god commanded them not any existence of any stone *Muslim burnt books to hide Petra!!?* Gibson argues that Muslim burn books leaving a vacuum of knowledge; he quotes letter of the caliph saying burn book of Alexandria.And he(dan gibson) says muslim writer ibn al Qifti tell that they were sent public bath of Alexanderia and it took six month to burn these book *Answer*Al Qifti is a known liar .Britannica takes the burning books as fabrication and Al Qifti lived 500 years after the letter. Plus there is no report of the burning of the library of Alexandria before the 13th century. *DAN Fabricates Maps* Dan in his documentary show the map of Umayyad and Abbasid and he gives north africa to Umayyad. Which in reality was under rule of Abbasid you will see why it is important, When dan gibson shows parallel mosques he shows parallel mosque from north Africa which is under control of Abbasids tell me according to him abbasids were the people who imposed Mecca to all Muslims why would they be neutral and build parallel mosques?

*Parallel mosques destroy Gibson* In his documentary dan gibson says many earthquake hit Petra and muslims left petra and all muslim started facing toward Mecca .First of all we do not leave our qibla because earthquakes hit it or it is damaged. According to gibson muslims of north africa and spain were building parallel mosques in which they first check location of Petra than mecca and made a line parallel to it so the last thing they should forget is Petra because they are making parallel mosques for centuries according to his own website.in his website last parallel mosque was built in 1196 ce and earthquake hit petra at 748 ce so parallel mosques were built for 4 and a half century so why did they not write about it. If they forget about it due to earthquake then why last parallel mosque in built in 1196ce *Qibla argument* *Biased criteria for selecting mosques* There are many mosques built by muslims in the 7th century. You can look at this by going to his website but he only put 12 mosques.What methodology he used.He says he only chose mosques which are not rebuilt. Al Aqsa mosque ,Guangzhou Mosque ,Sunaa Mosque ,Al Qiblatain Mosque,Al Fustat mosques have been rebuilt several time.Why he didn't abide by his rules *Guangzhou Mosque* There is no evidence that the companion of the Prophet traveled to China. In his website he didn't put them in the Petra section but in the mosques which he was not able to recognise. When we click on that mosque it gives information about another mosque.and in the map it is not facing Mecca nor Petra *Fustat mosque* This mosque is rebuilt again and again but dan's claim's description ground plan survived Lets look at ground plan 1 Amr ibn al As prayed facing toward east 2 Amr said stand up when sun is beginning to decline 3 Amr said stand when sun is on meridian and have (the sun) at your hajibaykuma 4 Amr waz laying ropes so that the qibla of the mosque could be set up 5 Amr said Shariqul Al Qiblah and you will find the Kaaba 6Amr prayed in mosque ,he prayed almost toward east When he prayed in a Church he would pray almost in qibla of the christian This is the ground plan find Petra through it.Can you use this to find an accurate qibla?By reading this quotes you can see how early muslim tried to find qibla tell me by doing this can you find location of a far land. So why you are expecting early muslims to find accurate direction. *Ba'albeck mosque and Amman citadel* Dan gibson claims they do not face Mecca and Jerusalem and they face Petra and these were built in first 100 years of Islam. But in website he says both of them were built in 740 which is not 100 years of Islam and in his website he says these both are in between mosque not facing Mecca nor facing Petra .Dan debunk Dan *Waist Mosque* In his documentary he says it faces petra. Lets Dan debunk Dan.In his website it is an in between mosque which means it is not facing Petra nor Mecca.This mosque was made by Hajjaj, The general who killed Ibn Zubair why the general who killed the person who shifted Qibla is neutral?This general killed every person who spoke ill about Umayyads and the person who rebelled against Umayyads he is neutral on that?When he entered Iraq he said he said I see the glitter of blood between those turban threatening everyone to be careful because he will kill everyone who is against him and Umayyads. *Mosque or Palace!!* He describe Humeima Qasr as Mosque but it is a Palace and somehow he found out where muslim prayed in that Palace *Sana'a Mosque* Sana'a mosque faces Mecca but it is little bit to the east this thing is accepted even by Dan Gibson.But Dan Gibson think at that time there was such technology that they could perfectly pin point towards Mecca.If you go Dan's website you can see by the lines he draws himself most of the Petra mosque are also not facing Petra but they are just in the general direction.This is what is called double standards. _Note:Last two mosques of Dan gibson are not from first century of Islam_ *Dans hide mosque* The Mosque of Omar he classifies it in 2 century of Islam.But there is a consensus that it was founded by Omar bin Khattab which is 636 and it was completed during time Yazid 2.Why did gibson hide that because it doesn't face Petra and it destroys his notion of all early century mosques pointing in Petra.To make a Theory first you come with a hypothesis then try to disprove it if you can’t it becomes a Theory. But When testing Dans hypothesis it is disproven by Mosques which is seen as his plus point. *Why did mosques point in different location* "Everything between Mashrik and Maghrib is Qibla"(Tirmidhi 342) In this hadith Prophet's give relaxation and say and allow muslim's to face in general area of Qibla that's why earlier muslim only faced toward general location and Mosques were all over the place.

@Al Mudarabah wow a biased video you yourself uploaded

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Geographical references in the Quran relate to north-western Arabia in the region of Petra. Qiblas of Mosques pointed towards Petra til until 724 AD. Starting with 822 AD all mosques quiblas pointed to Mekka (Arabia). Mekka (Arabia) does not fit the descriptions in the quran. Mekka (Arabia) was not situated on a major trade route. No archeological record in mekka (Arabisa) before 700 AD. Plants mentioned in the quranic mekka did never grow in Mekka (Arabia). Petra was a pirlgirmage-center before and in the times of early islam. Attacks of the Mekkans on the city of Medina are reported to have taken place from the north (which makes no sense given that Mekka (Arabia) is in the south of medina. Reported distances in islamic reports make sense when related to Petra.

This explanation is as bad as the explanation provided for why Mary is confused with Mary the sister of Aaron and Moses, and why the quran says that Jews consider Uzzair as the Son of God. It is called clutching for straws.

A lot of questionable implications came to my mind as I was reading your comment. If the so called "outburst of violence" is the first thing that came to your mind when thinking about the question "How do Muslims usually reply to this sort of stuff?", then you really need to change your expectations. There are maaaany videos like these made by Muslims, especially when they have to refute or reply to certain allegations and what not. This video is not special, but it's still very good nonetheless, that's the only thing you're right about.

To be fair I see Christians, Jews, and Hindus do this. I shared a video explaining the location where people think the third temple is, is not an accurate location. A bunch of fundamentalist Jews lost it. This is a problem of religious nationalism period. It exists in all forms there is Muslim nationalists on the internet (Mohammed Hijab types), Christian nationalist (Eric Hovanah types), Jewish nationalist types (actually if anything I think a lot of pan-Judean organizations represent this well), Hindu Nationalism (Lev Patel especially when he says all abrahamic faiths are just Zoroastrian), etc. People being competitive over religion is a problem and those organizations/“influencers” expedite the problem.

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

there is nothing ambiguous about the history of women's fashion in Europe Headscarves stopped being worn far before 1900s in certain regions of Europe

@@sabrina1380m The point stands that what is considered ”primitive, oppressive, and backwards” by the west has always been something they themselves instituted as well not long ago

Doesn't matter whether or not the majority is "aware" of it - there is ample evidence of the fact. The example you give is not the equivalent of a systematic erasure of evidence. The American south is a better example of a deliberate attempt to suppress and erase history, with their attempt to literally whitewash the civil war and make it about a noble cause rather than slavery. They literally did rewrite the history books - and yet the evidence still exists that the civil war wwas about slavery. So the idea that the history of Mecca being Petra could so totally be suppressed - no, I don't buy that.

@@sabrina1380m you are comparing a cultural behavior changing over a long time to religious fundamental position changing overnight and yet no one reacted to it how is that even possible? People were coming to hajj every year from all over the world and changing the position would be a point of interest for them no?

@@isseabdirahmanweheliye9010 anything can disappear from the mind of the people with enough doctrine and fear, e.g: Tiananmen Square, Japan’s atrocities in WWII

i'd suggest experiment to sail on the sea & use night stars during nights & sun ascensions during the day for navigation, just like the ancient folks did. See if the techniques proven to be accurate to determine directions. If the ancient folks didn't have good technique, i'd expect some masjid would face eskimo or antarctic then. But no. Their accuracies were not bad afterall.

@@JoeJoe-qy2bb Exactly!

I don't know if you read his book, because he spends about 30 pages talking about ancient navigation. This is the #1 issue that seems to come up - "they couldn't determine directions back then/had no GPS". This is silly, because we know from early Arabic history that they traveled great distances though the deserts with the caravans (before roads existed) and there are references in Arabic texts that describe the methods and equipment that they used (some tools can be seen in museums). The star compass for example was accurate to about 2 degrees, and the average errors of the Petra-facing mosques is 2.9 degrees. So, as you say, very persuasive. Furthermore, statistics! The standard deviation is 2.1 degrees and the error for these mosques to Mecca is over 20 degrees, which is 5 sigmas. If you look up the probability of trying to face Mecca but hitting Petra with a sigma of 2.1, it's about 1 in 3 million.

@@theastronomer5800 Wonderful! Thanks for the info. Honestly, I have not read his book. I just watched the documentary of Dr. Gibson.

@@markpagente3665 Oh, a part of his book with the supporting evidence is available online here if you'd like to check it out: www.almuslih.com/Library/Gibson,%20D%20-%20Supporting%20Evidence.pdf

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Actually these missionary & atheists couldn't convince muslim. Now they are trying to confuse muslims with many things.

@@shafiqsha9875 It´s called scientific hypothesis. That is how we inch closer and closer to truth

I mean sort of there is that whole timeline of Judaism happening in ancient Egypt. Ironic seeing as some in Israel wanted Ethiopian Jews to reconvert or did not believe Yemeni Jews (two of the oldest Jewish communities). Meanwhile they did not question any Ashkenazi communities.

He is dumb I have also watched his video,, complete ignorance

What about his arguments and evidences?

The hadith match the geography as the levent as a whole but even then accepting those hadith are accepting many other that state the qibla is mecca lol? And it Doesn't make sense how arabs as a whole could be able to create a new religion within the roman empire which persecuted pagens and jews but somehow the world's strongest empire allowed arabs to become strong enough to conquer the levent and persia?

@@Abd-gm3hq You realize that the Roman/Byzantine Empire had been collapsing for decades. By the 600's its land, tax base and human resources had been cut in half. It was called Rome, but did not control Rome. When Muhammad began preaching, the Sasanian Persians had already invaded and the Byzantines were deadlocked in a blood letting war around Mosul that lasted from 602-629. The Byzantines by their own account had withdrawn nearly all troops to fight. They abandoned all garrisons East of the Dead Sea and they only left a small garrison at Ajnadyn near Gaza on the West side of the Dead Sea. They were defending from the North. That is where the Islamic forces first encountered the Byzantines in 634. They swung around the Dead Sea from the south and routed the Byzantine army. Khalid Ibn Walid, Yazid and Shurahbil were very capable strategists and understood the weakness of the small garrison. The Byzantines were drained from the 27 year long war with the Sassanian Persians. The Muslim Army attacked at the battle of Mud near Lake Tiberius in Jan 635, then Marj Al Suffar in Feb 635. After an intense siege of Damascus (where they had a large following already) they forced the battle of Yarmuk in August of 636. Yarmuk was a large decisive victory and sent the Byzantines out of the Levant. They were never able to return, because large portions of the population quickly converted. Islam offered a compelling message for them, and they were tired of Byzantine incompetence, corruption, military weakness against foes, and heavy taxation.

If Mecca is Petra, Why Muhammad bring his Army to Thabuk to anticipating Byzantium ? Dan Gibson too much drunk