Was The John Collins Trade BAD?

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In this video we discuss the positives and negatives of the John Collins trade that brought him from Atlanta to Utah. Despite seeing a resurgence in shooting touch from 3pt range, most of his numbers have been underwhelming and his contract only makes it harder to stomach and trade him away. While it may not be the most pressing issue on the list that the from office has, something has to be done so that the team can reach new heights.
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@BigNipsOnIce 6 ай бұрын

Man we need to talk about how absolutely incredible Dunn has been for us. Hes been the perfect facilitator and defensive guard for us. I wish the Jazz saw this while we had Mitchell and Gobert

@brentburnett6658 6 ай бұрын

Dunn has been nice but what has made the jazz better as a team is sexton. His energy changed things for sure. However, there is no one player that is a super star ⭐️ I like it because teams are guessing against the jazz except for Laurie. They know they must stop 🛑 him but how do you stop 🛑 the team? Depth can be better then overpaid supers! Unfortunately this team will be gutted for more assets which is somewhat a mistake. Hate to see it happen because team chemistry ⚛️ takes time and is now working in jazz favor. Comes down to belief and if nobody believes they can contend then that’s the issue. Collins has been fine for the jazz. Comes down to meeting the coach on his demands now and that applies to all… Play hard and pass!

@harrikuusjarvi3795 6 ай бұрын

For me John Collins is ok. He has been solid lately.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

Yes the past few games his shot has been on and his defense hasn’t been too abysmal

@tycy5144 6 ай бұрын

You ain’t have to put some clickbait bs title bro, that’s not why we watching you, please keep it grounded & 100

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

I was confused at first then I realized my editor put the wrong Rudy Gay photo in the background. It was supposed to serve as a look back on the trade and how poorly it’s working out so far. Not to look like he just got traded to the warriors 🤦🏽‍♂️

@____Riley____ 6 ай бұрын

@@wraithhoops I think he's talking about calling it the worst trade in history. Which is clickbait and doesn't help anyone watching.

@knowsomething9384 6 ай бұрын

@@wraithhoops People's complaints have NOTHING to do with Rudy Gay in the photo. It's a clickbait title, period.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

@@knowsomething9384 I’m sensing hostility rn and I’m genuinely trying to understand how it was clickbait. The John Collins trade was something I covered in the past and really loved at first. Now that it’s not going so well I made an update video. That title was actually selected from an nba or espn list that was detailing some of the most net negative trades made from the past off-season up to date. Like if I said “THIS John Collins Trade Was Pointless” I could see how it insinuates that they just traded him away, but even on the thumbnail he’s literally wearing a jazz jersey.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

@@____Riley____ so what would be something that would convey my point and not be hyperbole? Do you suggest I switch the “in history” to “Of The Off-season?” Is that a more ideal fit?. Just lmk

@James-lt3so 6 ай бұрын

Honestly with how well we’ve developed guys like Sexton. I’d love to see what we could do with Collins over the long run

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

I’d agree, I don’t hate collins, I just wish his contract wasn’t so egregiously bad for his level of production

@hamurabymora4203 6 ай бұрын

Trade sexton while the iron is hot. He’s small. Let’s get something while his value is peak

@jeffy.958 6 ай бұрын

Its going to be pretty ironic when Will Hardy plays Collins and Hendricks together and they actually mesh well on the court. Highly unlikely, sure, but imagine the dilemmas the staff will have to go through.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

Absolute comedy and mayhem I’d imagine

@leechristensen3534 6 ай бұрын

While yes John Collins is the worst negative in plus minus player on the Jazz and its not even close, but the trade eas for a second round pick that might not even convey and Rudy Gay... It was worth the shot to get him and also, he has been playing pretty well last few games. You can't call that the worst trade when Nets have that record in the bag when they traded for KG and Paul Pierce

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

Yes that was a dark time for Nets fans. Considering what was given up to obtain John Collins it’s hard to argue that it was the worst deal ever what is contract makes some people want to unfortunately

@justtimes9257 6 ай бұрын

well john collins move to center has been great because is allow his to play role

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

Every time I make a video criticizing one of the players they perform even better going forward. I’m about to diss the entire squad so they keep this win streak going.

@justtimes9257 6 ай бұрын

@@wraithhoops didn’t even know that was your strategy. I just came upon your page and I was thinking like the job was I made a good strategy by moving him to center and helping unlock the for floor spacing for the team

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

@@justtimes9257 lol no it’s just a running joke that comes up when I do live streams. It originally started with Jordan Clarkson back when he was starting because every time I would criticize him he would go from having three bad games to having an explosive game the next one. when it comes to John Collins, I generally saw him any more positive light than most people, but had to honestly assess the trade value and the situation at the time. That said, I love the move to put them at center because while he doesn’t provide the best rent protection, his three point shot making stresses out opposing defenses in a way that I haven’t seen in sometime. I’m definitely glad that you join the channel though.

@justtimes9257 6 ай бұрын

@@wraithhoops completely understand you and plus we all Clarkson is just streaky and plus it allows Collins to be like the rebounder and round the rim and said he brings an element to that’s very much needed wity floor spacing plus is vertiale threat is important

@lukesmith9692 6 ай бұрын

Good job i appreciate you. They have been playing him at C. The Jazz have a veteran lineup and should keep it thst way until they get all their peices. I think George, Hendricks, Kessler and OA are great for the future but should find that all star talent in two more young guys that are a SG and SF. I would keep George, Hendricks and Kessler on the bench to develop this year. Trade Sexton or Horton-Tucker and a 2nd for Markelle Fultz. Start PG. Fultz SG. Clarkson SF. Lauri PF. Collins C. Kelly O. Try to compete while building. I think they need two young prospects that will be great in a SG and SF. Trade Brice and Luka with future 2nds for something. Waive all their two way guys. Jaylen Martin is 19 SF or SG and is a free agent, they should look at him. Zhaire Williams, Jordan Hawkins, Bates or AJ Griffin for Luka and Brice with picks. Or trade Collins, Lauri, Clarkson and Sexton. You can trade them for Ben Simmons, O'Neil and Cam Thomas with picks. Let Simmons sit, one bad contract. Start a rebuild

@lukesmith9692 6 ай бұрын

Took back your heart and no comment. Nobody knows more about basketball than me ( or a player with good insight)

@Robdog15 6 ай бұрын

Don’t lie in your title just for clicks. Keep it 100!

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

You think this title is clickbait? Multiple sports outlets have anointed it the worst and I just wanted to discuss the take

@mateuszzdyb3547 6 ай бұрын

man, i respect you, but such a bad clickbait title,... , you can do better

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

I think the issue is actually in the thumbnail. I didn’t realize my editor put Warriors Rudy Gay in the back, it was supposed to be Hawks Rudy Gay. Which would’ve made it clear that the title is a look back on his production this season and how it’s not looking better🤦🏽‍♂️

@danr154 6 ай бұрын

I just cant unsee what I saw when we played the Magic and Paolo was just BODYING him every time and Collins was TRYING too.....immedIately I was like "ohhhh nooooo this is why the Hawks gave up, isn't it?".......DAMNIT!😂. Its sorta like Sexton and his court vision where once you see it youre just like "oh crap this is what the scouts see, isnt it? Oh boy." Hes one of those guys thats only a switchable defender in theory......oh sure he can switch its just that he cant stop whoever he switches to no matter what😂 But yea I get it now. If all we want is defense and corner 3s yea we would be better off just letting Hendricks play. Or we gotta figure out how to actually use Collins as a rim runner but that requires fixing our guard problem......

@moorthivasan5087 6 ай бұрын

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@adamfalcon7694 6 ай бұрын

Title made me think he got traded today. Scared me shitless

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

I apologize😭

@finnishview2933 6 ай бұрын

My problem with Collins is his defence, he is really bad even if he try play defence. Sometimes he dont seems even give much effort either. Jazz have another bad defender, Keyonte. They cant play both same time, better not either if they want to get stops. Keyonte is rookie and i kinda understand hes horrible defence, but he should to start show some improvement. However, Collins is veteran and he have no excuse be that bad defender. I have to disagree one thing, jazz dont need cap space for resign Lauri. Ainge think jazz have to pay too much for next contract for Lauri because he is too good, so Ainge rather try trade him instead. In that case, Collins is good to have because jazz need use 90% cap if i remeber right. I must say that there is too many rules with salary cap. Should be more simple system imo. Its very hard make tardes now because matching salaries and other rules.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

I agree defensively with her issues. I think the biggest thing for the Room situation is adding further value while still using 90% of the available Space so that you don’t lose it. It’s slightly confusing and honestly while I understand why certain things were added in the most recent CBA deal I don’t love it when it gets put into practice

@Switcheroo1 6 ай бұрын

John Collins is like a another Kyle Kuzma, a guy a star upside but Role Player intangibles

@ScRaMbLeS247 6 ай бұрын

If u want a good pick back raptors got one of the best 2nds to give u back and players like thad and otto expiring contracts and grady and McDaniels young pieces???

@ScRaMbLeS247 6 ай бұрын

Send Collins to the raps u keep Grady McDaniels the best 2nd available and get cap space to sign ppl.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

I actually don't hate the idea if I'm being honest

@ScRaMbLeS247 6 ай бұрын

@@wraithhoops it's def more than jazz traded for Collins

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

@@ScRaMbLeS247 definitely factual right there

@ScRaMbLeS247 6 ай бұрын

@@wraithhoops Grady isn't getn minutes with us he might actually feel comfortable in Utah he's still a lottery pick to base the trade around and the Detroit 2nd this year are the 2 most valuable parts of the deal even mcDaniels could replace some Collins minutes

@berrymckockiner5883 Ай бұрын

Dallas should trade powell and Tim for him

@wraithhoops Ай бұрын

You raise a good point, they could benefit from the addition, that bad contract would have to be matched though I’d wager

@topramen5718 6 ай бұрын

Collins for Wiggins

@konzza 6 ай бұрын

Like for like sideways trade for a piece of damaged goods to another. Hard to imagine how would that help either team.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

This comment confused me until I looked and realized that my editor put Rudy Gay in a Warriors uniform in the back as opposed to him in a Hawks jersey😭

@user-pm5lw9wb5r 6 ай бұрын

It's too early to say he is a bust. He is better than Rudy Gay.

@wraithhoops 6 ай бұрын

I'd agree with you there. Even over the past 3-5 games his defensive effort has been much improved and while he's not 'good' yet I hope he continues to trend upwards on that side of the ball specifically.

@user-pm5lw9wb5r 6 ай бұрын

@utahjazzwraithhoops I think he has pretty much reached his peak. He is just a role player, not a star player. But if Jazz can use him the right way he could be effective