Kyle Mikesell thrawns theme was also incredible

No, it was too soft and effeminate. Not the voice of a charismatic commander. The best Thrawn voice actor was Marc Thompson doing the original trilogy (NOT the recent books where he copies Mikkelsen).

@CT-7667 Cool. I haven't read Zahn's new books yet. I kind of didn't like how in books like Choices of One, he made Thrawn into more of a nice guy. The Thrawn of his original trilogy was ruthless af and was an excellent villain, undoubtedly filling Vader's shoes. The funny thing is that the Rebels series did a better job returning him to his ruthless origins.

@CT-7667 If Thrawn's the good guy, then who's the bad guy who will actually hold our attention?

@CT-7667 Ok, but you have to agree Thrawn is cooler. I want a cool bad guy! :-P

That’s what people don’t often notice about Thrawn. He’s not actually evil. He’s just really, really immoral.

@@LysimedVenteel It's not that he's immoral, so much as he views the moral picture at such a far remove that he appears immoral or amoral at first and second glance. Thrawn's purpose is to serve the ultimate good of the Galaxy by building the most effective militarily machine he could in defense against the looming Extra-Galactic threat, and his purpose in that is the preservation of his people. He is evil, he's just not immoral. His sense morality demands he do evil things to build and maintain a position of strength sufficient to combat greater evils. He chose the path of evil because he saw it as the most likely path to avert a greater Evil, and that's why he's a villain. The path of the hero is to reject evil deeds at the outset, and then forget the best path from the remaining morally just alternative.

​@@LysimedVenteel i always thought of thrawn like a guy like snape from harry potter just somone who gets his hands dirty and does things for the greater good even though they would conflict with his personal values

Honestly, Legends Thrawn is waaaaay more of a threat than this version. Give Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and Final Command a read, you won't regret it.

Because people are dropping their standard of quality to accommodate. Garbage shows like Rebels and Resistance are now called average.

DirtyMack Rose tinted glasses. Same with the clone wars. Both were very mediocre shows aimed primarily at kids but people look at them as a holy grail when the next hate bandwagon comes along.

Because star wars fans are dumb

@@olliesloane151 That's because Clone Wars actually a good show, not mediocre dumbass.

@@olliesloane151 I say more of Clone Wars actually got better over time and played what they got. And had to put out good story material for it's audience. Rebels is fine and all but the show really didn't out do themselves when it comes to good ideas they set up like inquisters or Ezra messing with the Sith Holocron, it's either resolved in one episode and not bother with ever agian, or anything old idea had huge quality drop.

This is fair. And although I wasn't ever really that big of a fan of rebels, I would hope my quarrels with Thrawn's representation in Rebels are well founded beyond my personal prejudices.

Sam Pines Yea I was never a fan of Rebels. I thought Thrawn was just poorly handled. I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed. Think about it. The strategic mastermind, the one of the only aliens in the Empire, gets kidnapped by an annoying teenager with space whales

I was not a fan of rebels, but to me Thrawn was great

Joseph Iorio anything sounds bad when you say it with that attitude. Vader the master of the darkside in a dark cloak and pitch black helmet, dies to a bit of electricity from a 100 year old. See how that works?

Joseph Iorio Zahn said it himself: he wins as long he can control or take into account the various factors, the moment something ineffable like the Force comes in his plans fall apart.

**Mandolorian Theme plays**

Pablo Hidalgo lol

Kinda bold to mention Hidalgo in the same sentence as Filoni. Although Dave has created some things that really break the canon as well. Two words: Inhibitor Chip.

That's bullshit. Marvel has no room and do old stories, why the double standard for Star Wars?

The marvel fandom that read the comics and kept up with all of the media(comics, movies, t.v. shows) is significantly larger than Star Wars. Marvel is probably around 30 percent of fans that keep track of everything whereas less than 1% of all star wars fans have read a large amount of the books. Couple that with the fact that the EU had gotten really convoluted and by the end you had to have read a majority of the books to understand what was going on in the most recent books. I read about 1 or 2 star wars books a month and I started last year and I'm still not to the Legacy of the Force and the Fate of the Jedi, which is where the new movies would have had to have been set in the timeline. You can also add to the fact that Timothy Zahn, Kevin J. Anderson, Michael A Stackpole, Aaron Allston and Christie Golden, all authors who wrote for the Star Wars expanded universe, all knew that they were not writing canon in the first place. They were writing media tie-in fiction which was purely for the enjoyment of the reader and to make Del Rey Publishing/Lucasfilm Publishing money. When 150 million people have seen 1 or more Star Wars films, only around 3 million have read the best selling star wars book(Heir to the Empire), and only around 150,000 or less fans have read more than 10 of the books, it really makes sense why you would move it to legends. Especially since the authors themselves are ok with their work not being canon.

@@jonathankoan Nope. Everything you said is wrong.

+Albert Einstein It's not. If you look up the original A New Hope ticket sales, you will see that there were around 150 million tickets sold. If you listen to what Michael A. Stackpole said at Dragon Con in 2016, he said that Timothy Zahn's novel "Heir to the Empire"(which were #1 on the New York Times Bestseller List) only sold about 1.5 million units(Hardcover and Paperback). That, being the top book in terms of sales, means that ony 1% of Star Wars fans have read that book. That number does get lower when you look at the other books and it drops significantly when you look at people who have read many of the books. The average of the remaining books is typically under 100,000(certain books are the exception such as the Phantom Menace Novelization, The Force Awakens Novelization, The Force Unleashed, The Last Jedi Novelization, and Thrawn Alliances). So, lets say that everyone who purchased those other books have read everything(which they haven't, but for calculations sake then we will say that they have) then only 100,000 people have kept up with the Star Wars Expanded Universe books. That means that 100,000 divided by 150 million is .07%. That means less than 1 tenth of 1 percent of fans have read the novels. If they based the films off of the Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi, they would have to have lots of additional exposition(Ex. the Dark Nest Trilogy, the New Jedi Order Series, the Young Jedi Knights Series, the Thrawn Trilogy, etc) which most people would not understand or follow, which is not condusive to a franchise. Therefore, everything I said is not WRONG, but therefore right. If it is wrong, why is it wrong?

Unlike with Star Wars, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a completely different universe from the various comics and other stories and was designed to be that way from the very first Iron Man film. Even within Marvel Comics themselves, they'll just set things in a different universe when they want to tell new stories that don't fit alongside previous ones, and I'm not sure but haven't they had their own share of continuity reboots? I know DC certainly has.

Obi-Wan Kenobi Hello there

Hello there

You had the highground

You have also avenged Duchess Satine's death.

No but I saw how u let Qui die

Nah, because they don't care that much. That type of people is just disgusting and is no star wars fan. They really don't care about anything starwars.... They just care about their idiocy

Agustín Baletti yawn

@@danielwhite3244 yawn

@@agustinbaletti uhmm what? Not liking something means you don’t care. Dude that’s ridiculous

@@agustinbaletti A lot of people have legitimately criticism of how Disney has handled star wars. The sequel trilogy was absolutely awful, it's not defensible. Beyond that, people do have criticisms of things, sometimes it seems like they're just looking to find something to criticize, but it's not that often. Oh important thing though, Disney steals peoples art, copyright strikes anything star wars related, and talks down to the fans on a regular basis. The fact that you can't even have the ingame music playing in a playthrough of a star wars video game shows how dumb Disney's copyright war is. Compare this to George Lucas, where parody, fan films, were encouraged and people wouldn't be copyright struck for illegitimate grounds.

purrgil ex machina

The Purrgil are now the Eagles from Lord of the Rings.

I feel it was a good way for Ezra’s connection with nature that they’ve been building up for the whole series to finally pay off

Thrawn, Maul, Rex, Vader and Ahsoka (along with Bendu and and the time traveling episode with Mortis trio) saved Rebels from being goofy disney show IMO.

It wasn't a victory if it was it would contradicts to a new hope opening saying "the first victory against the empire" scariff is the first rebel victory that's why in rebels they used purgil instead of Rebel Ships or reinforcements if they did it will contradict

The Battle of Attilon was still a major victory for the Empire. It just wasn't the total victory that the Empire was hoping for it to be. It's a lot like the Battle of Hoth in that respect.

Goddamit Constantine

The only reason he couldn’t win was because the rebels succeed in A new hope. Meaning they weren’t wiped out.

@@Compucles Everytime rebels escape, lets face it, its a rebel victory...

LTDLimiTeD1995 same. I would be very happy if they continued legends as a separate continuity. I really don't like the majority of the new canon stuff. Especially the Mandalorians and the post Endor period.

Vexkun at least we still have some fan made stuff. The mods for Empire At War are pretty cool and most of them follow the legends timeline. A lot of them are still being updated too.

The chiss have force sensitive navigators, and he met anakin during the clone wars

@@brennantorretta7749 but he's never seen the force used like it is in Rebels especially in the last season. Thrawn himself is not force sensitive and aside from Chiss skywalkers he doesn't experience it on a regular basis, as such the force was something he simply couldn't prepare for and thus it's by the force that he's beaten.

Oh they’re canon alright, I have spoken

@@tezmard3003 i agree

Why thank you

@@marcusisgood9 I will do what I must.

@@obi-wankenobi2356 There are things in the universe that are simply and purely evil. A warrior does not seek to understand them, or to compromise with them. He seeks only to obliterate them. ITS FUCKIN’ OBI WAN KENOBI is a perfect example

Me, one dimensional? You need to read those books a lot more carefully.

@@GAdmThrawn Perhaps "one dimensional" was the wrong word, but, in Legends, Thrawn was just as arrogant and self centered as any other Imperial officer. In Canon, he has a degree of honor and a complex commitment to both the Empire and the Ascendancy.

@@mitwhitgaming7722 Canon Thrawn is one dimensional I agree.

Canon Thrawn is garbage.

@@alberteinstein3419 Have you read the Thawn novel?

This guy is asking the real questions here

They kinda can’t bring Mara back. The way Lucasfilm’s story group has explained it is because in Legends Mara was a dark Jedi. And they don’t agree with the concept of dark/grey jedi because it’s a contradiction(and it is). And with the creation of the inquisitors as the emperors assassins, Mara wouldn’t fit in there either as she’d have to be pretty damn evil(which Mara never was). So in order for her to be re introduced into canon her character would have to be altered tremendously. BUT there is some good news on this front. Story group has given Timothy Zahn partial creative freedom over the character. He can re-introduce her at any time as long as it’s a mutual agreement between Zahn and Story group.

Professor_Tickles 92 remake Mara Jade within canon can be done, as a different badass character but fighting the Dark Side.

@@Prof_Tickles92 Mara was one of the Emperor's Hands. They were assassins that only took orders from the Emperor. Very few people even knew they existed. The Inquisitors are and always have been Jedi hunters, not assassins. They are an official branch of the Empire and are pretty well known. There is no reason Mara couldn't be reintroduced as one of the Emperor's Hands or something like that. Emperor's Hands still exist in Disney canon btw, so there's no real issue with it.

For the Chiss try "Outbound Flight", the Vong are in the books "Vector Prime" and following

@@legolasgreenleaf9094 Thank you!

I wonder if he'll be related to Snoke in some way. Not to sound rude, but I think Smith has a very roughly handled made from clay sort of facial features, which they could accentuate and alter with makeup and whatever else to bring his appearance closer to Snoke's(check out his old Doctor appearance for what I mean) He'd also fit as a First Order officer or even a Knights of Ren. Or he could be a Resistance member.

I'd rather have hım defeated by rebels. If not what's the point of them existing in the fırst place? The show is named rebels for a reason.

The show isn't about rebelling, it's about the phoenix rebel cell. And what can even defeat Thrawn other than space whales,?

He was also defeated in legends too.

Well, I think that's up to preference.

I don't know, I just really like the scene where they come out of the clouds.

no

Yes

@@asilturkklc171 no

@@alberteinstein3419 yes

@@asilturkklc171 nope

Look up both scenes and you'll see what I mean lol

Well he wrote the new canon thrawn books so maybe

@David Jacobs they will be. Oh, they will be.

... But he was easily killed. By the magic space whales

@@bannawithamic2018 this comment aged well

True

He stopped a sabotage effort on lothal, put the tie defender into production, discovered callus was a spy, found their base and drove them out of it, severely damaged the rebel fleet and very nearly defeated the rebels at lothal but the pergil showed up. Zahn himself said that thrawn can only be defeated by something beyond his predictions

Really is it compatible nice

I agree with this. I enjoy Rebels for what it is, but Thrawn never really comes across as a significant threat because he keeps losing. I think the show would have worked better if the Empire and Thrawn had won a string of victories in season 3 and early 4, and then only at the end the Rebels manage to turn it around.

Exactly. That's why I loved the Clone Wars. Cad Bane actually won and was a terrifying threat. Also the Separatists actually had competent admirals, like Admiral Trench. Some would go as far as to say that the villains sometimes won too much lol.

Albert Einstein or if the villains didn’t win, they exacted a real cost. Maul killed Satine, so even though he was overthrown it still felt like the good guys lost something important to them.

But even Thrawn didn't lose Attolon. He was utterly smashing the rebels and destroying their fleet, and it was only Admiral Constantine's actions that allowed Ezra to escape.

@@Meirstein nope. Thrawn lost every time. Canon Thrawn is dumb.

He never expected purgills

If you exclude the sequel era canon is actually really solid imo, especially the era between ep3 and 4 is full with great content

Oh yes. Oh god damn yes.

@Commando Droid Enjoy your life of taking things at face value.

A temporary setback