Wata Games Faces Class Action Lawsuit

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An impending class-action lawsuit against the Wata Games grading service was announced. We discuss the details and legal strategy.
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@PatTheNESpunk
@PatTheNESpunk 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the potential lawsuit? Do you think it has merit? What do you think about the legal strategy and what could potentially be revealed? Read more from the Reddit announcement: www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/u28lo7/potential_class_action_against_wata_games_inc_in/
@JJ-et7il
@JJ-et7il 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I think all the big grading companies have conflicts of interest that aren't public and would be near impossible to verify. For example employees or executives of the company selling graded stuff through another person, which of course they probably had graded slightly more favorably than deserved. I think wata is the most egregious one but some consignment companies on eBay have been caught scamming too. Wata seems to be super greedy, making money off of grading plastic and cardboard wasn't enough, they had to rig the whole market. What fuckers.
@shoked99
@shoked99 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of shady practices by numerous parties and companies here. HA founders posting their collectibles, with no intention to sell, just to maintain and pump up their value pisses me off to no end. I would love to see this lawsuit and possibly others go to court, hold discoveries and then bring the whole house of cards down. I can only imagine what that could to do the value of all these graded collectibles: comics, cards, video games, etc. I know that would impact the average graded collector. Sadly we have to be realistic about this going anywhere.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is enough there to get it before a judge.
@JoshHoodSucks
@JoshHoodSucks 2 жыл бұрын
It's so damn wild to me you two along with others tried to warn and protect the people who it affected but these very same people are sticking their middle fingers at you like a child. Na na boo boo I'll do what I wanna do. Karl deserves an award. You two also deserve some damn credit.
@chasonthedon
@chasonthedon 2 жыл бұрын
Truueeee
@origintrackz5235
@origintrackz5235 2 жыл бұрын
They grw up spoiled brats of course theyre going to stick their fingers in their ears and say "lalalalalala i can't hear you lalalalalalala my daddy owns that yatch!"
@slusheewolf2143
@slusheewolf2143 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so thrilled about this. Before Wata, I was able to buyback any games I sold... I sold my entire video game collection after college due to moving into a smaller space. Because Wata, I can't even buy ONE game back because the prices are so horrible. Most PS1 games are now more expensive than Suikoden 2 was, before Wata. I have bills to pay, I can't afford re-collecting my PS1 games, and Wata is to blame for that.
@poopy_fingers3324
@poopy_fingers3324 2 жыл бұрын
Do you want some cheese to go with that whine?
@Aquatj999
@Aquatj999 2 жыл бұрын
These so-called “collectors” who are really only speculators have made the market into their little farm for wealthy jackasses only. I’m really sorry you have no reasonable, legal means of playing your PS1 games again. I’m hoping that when this bubble bursts, you can afford to get your collection back.
@shadowfox4529
@shadowfox4529 2 жыл бұрын
Not just Wata, but any collectors, along with the grifters and drifters that are into sealed and graded collecting. Yeah, they're 100% free to collect that, but I'm also 100% free to say they're freaking idiots, especially if they think some of those rare but horrible games are going to be worth money in the future. Plus, many PS1 games aren't worth what they are going for now, especially the ones that got Greatest Hit releases. I mean, Square Enix was apparently still selling new PS1 games into the late 2000's and early 2010's from what I've heard, and I've seen it for PS2 and some PSP games into the middle 2010's. So, scumbags are just hording a lot it.
@sotastatesoulja
@sotastatesoulja 2 жыл бұрын
Wata is to blame for you selling your collection. Shame on them. You should file a civil suit against them.
@jackdiamond5340
@jackdiamond5340 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a cut and dry case, Wata’s conduct is insane and I think any judge would look at this and go, “oh there’s no doubt this is fraudulent”
@poopy_fingers3324
@poopy_fingers3324 2 жыл бұрын
I bet this goes no where and nothing is done.
@ewaste8318
@ewaste8318 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering how long it would be after the Karl Jobst video until the lawsuits start rolling in against WATA. It makes you wonder if this is showing up on the FTC's radar yet.
@heisensaul5538
@heisensaul5538 2 жыл бұрын
If it wasn't on the FTC's radar yet, it should be.
@salvagemonster3612
@salvagemonster3612 2 жыл бұрын
I really now have to wonder about the rest of their auctions. How many of them are being manipulated?
@BoboBreez
@BoboBreez 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone re opened a wata graded game just to make sure they didn't steal the contents of the cartridge or game?
@maxxdahl6062
@maxxdahl6062 2 жыл бұрын
People sometimes open theirs and resubmitted it to try to get a higher score so they can sell it for more.
@DevilSurvivor69
@DevilSurvivor69 2 жыл бұрын
Not that I ever heard of, however I would anyone that buys one would not be inclined to open it because of fear of it losing value potentially.
@ScubaDiverPicker
@ScubaDiverPicker 2 жыл бұрын
Wata is a scam. As bad as NFT’s.
@thelanecampbell
@thelanecampbell 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to judge what’s worse when you compare two complete turds but both seem to make money.
@panagiotischristo
@panagiotischristo 2 жыл бұрын
Lol....
@linuxrobotgeek
@linuxrobotgeek 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently they are grading modern games now. Yikes.
@RozzWilliamsScholarsSociety
@RozzWilliamsScholarsSociety 2 жыл бұрын
Video begins at 2:03
@YoshisPainting
@YoshisPainting 2 жыл бұрын
Heritage should be attached to this.
@ca18drifta1
@ca18drifta1 2 жыл бұрын
I sent in a SEALED copy of Resident Evil 2 on Dreamcast last year to Wata under the 45 day window of getting my game back and it took about 7 months to get it back :{
@ca18drifta1
@ca18drifta1 2 жыл бұрын
@@richterbelmont5506like I literally just got the game back a few weeks ago
@shadowfox4529
@shadowfox4529 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully, this gets big media exposure and the FTC gets involved. And hopefully this bleeds into other collectible markets that surely have shady stuff like this going on. I mean, there is even VHS grading now, which if you collect that there's nothing wrong with that, but the whole grading mass produced entertainment media as collectible has jumped the shark, and grading itself for anything expect maybe (and thats a very questionable maybe) coins or baseball cards is extremely stupid.
@dennismcdonald2607
@dennismcdonald2607 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I believe there's more people affected by Wata's practices other than just folks waiting extended times for their games to be 'graded'. We ALL were affected by the rampant upselling of sealed games 'ready for grading' that many of us were denied access to due to exorbitant price gouging during the halcyonic days of the pandemic and therefore pushed out of a once attenable hobby. I think we ALL can agree with that to some degree!
@madjoe8622
@madjoe8622 2 жыл бұрын
Good good. About time someone goes after these scammers.
@thecunninlynguist
@thecunninlynguist 2 жыл бұрын
Wata lawsuit....amirite?
@lerler2000
@lerler2000 2 жыл бұрын
When I first heard about graded games selling for crazy prices that had no basis in reality. I started to wonder if money laundering could be involved.
@shadowfox4529
@shadowfox4529 2 жыл бұрын
It probably is involved.
@adamlombardo
@adamlombardo 2 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who works within Collector's Universe, and though I won't name them or what they do there (out of respect for their privacy), but according to them one of the major reasons for the delay in returns for the currently submitted games has to do with them trying to investigate/clean up the corruption within WATA.
@DevilSurvivor69
@DevilSurvivor69 2 жыл бұрын
Then a suggestion for your friend to take to their superiors: Come out and let everyone know that and maybe this lawsuit will go away and others will be averted. If CU is genuine in that desire then I'm sure that's not a bad first step.
@adamlombardo
@adamlombardo 2 жыл бұрын
@@DevilSurvivor69 Completely agree there.
@salvagemonster3612
@salvagemonster3612 2 жыл бұрын
You guys doing good job staying on top of this topic. I like breaking your guys balz a bit from time to time. But have realized you are a collector who really loves your hobby. Although it isn’t my field I can appreciate your passion for it. For forty years I have complained about auctioneers and some of their unregulated and shady practices. It has gotten worse with online auctions. See buyers can not come back on them most of the time if they sell a fake or damaged item. Unless the auctioneer misrepresented the itme
@shadowfrost44
@shadowfrost44 2 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting 6 months. Talked to them at a convention face to face. (3 months in) all they said they can't due anything. It's been stuck in post grading for 6 months
@cloudff72000
@cloudff72000 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned discovery- often settlements are to try and prevent that in civil suits. Though RICO is its own pandora's box - a federal indictment means all bets are off. I'm curious to see where it goes.
@michael_stout79
@michael_stout79 2 жыл бұрын
Happy 420 peeps 👽💨🛸🌑
@Jliving8008
@Jliving8008 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a huge shocker for me that WATA is being sued. Not…..about {bleeping} time.
@TimmiiGamingChannel
@TimmiiGamingChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't someone send a sealed Pokémon game with a price sticker and they damage it by removing that price sticker.
@ericgreen154
@ericgreen154 2 жыл бұрын
Probably need to contact the state attorney general’s office where these guys are based. This is unlawful
@pimaggot
@pimaggot 2 жыл бұрын
Could there be prison time? This is like insider trading. Insane
@thejackal007
@thejackal007 2 жыл бұрын
Legal Eagle just did a fascinating video on NFT's in general and what he touched on hits so many things that WATA is doing in principle.
@RyanParreno
@RyanParreno 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just trying to understand why Frank Cifaldi suddenly started talking about working with Wata. Without going into details here, I'm not talking about the game preservation issues that are certainly debatable. I mean why is he even working with these shady people at all? And why is he talking about it now that they seemingly are about to get hit with lawsuits that could obviously draw him in one way or the other
@Steve_SCirca30
@Steve_SCirca30 2 жыл бұрын
What impact if any do you think this will have on future game prices. I think it’s something to think about and worth discussing. You guys are awesome! Keep it coming!!
@Steve_SCirca30
@Steve_SCirca30 2 жыл бұрын
@@richterbelmont5506 yeah I know. I grabbed most of my cib collection right before the price spike. And I just did it because I wanted to add some box art to my collection and display. I’d like to have more but I’ll wait until it’s less popular. Collecting is a life long hobby for me, always has been. I can wait out the craze.
@Steve_SCirca30
@Steve_SCirca30 2 жыл бұрын
@@richterbelmont5506 but you know what that’s ok that it’s going to take more time because once we collected what we want then the fun fades. I know it’s not fun to pause because of these prices hikes. It just shows that us and everyone else that collects for nostalgia and not for monetary/investment gain won’t pay these outrageous prices and I think in the end that’s what’s going to drive the prices back down and put the games back into the peoples hands who really appreciates these games for what they truly are. I’d rather give all my games away to someone who appreciates them for what they are, then sell them to someone who sees them as an investment.
@lothar71
@lothar71 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect that prices are going to drop for some things hard, some things may stay higher but I don't see prices staying high for most things.
@davidplaysgames470
@davidplaysgames470 2 жыл бұрын
@@richterbelmont5506 reselling is what's hot not game collecting.
@juicysmooyay296
@juicysmooyay296 2 жыл бұрын
Let's all be reals here, the real dummies are the ones actually PAYING obscene amounts of cash for an old game because of greed. If you have $500,000 to spend on a Mario game with a K-mart price tag on it for $9.99 you deserve to get fleeced. You ain't starving.
@alex12104
@alex12104 2 жыл бұрын
You are thinking with emotion .,this is every market in the history
@scottfoster8681
@scottfoster8681 2 жыл бұрын
But what if it's the best part of the cup? 😂
@575forza
@575forza 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Danksgiving CUPodcast.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
I am not happy with what Wata and Heritage did. Video games mean a lot to us dorks and to see them pervert the hobby like they did makes me straight up angry. However, I am not completely convinced by the validity of this claim considering it’s only a Reddit article at present time. Once this gets picked up by a major publisher, I start to believe this has legs.
@spencers4121
@spencers4121 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't there a guy who sent in a expensive pokemon game, and got it back damaged.
@MasterZebulin
@MasterZebulin 2 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@emolovetree
@emolovetree 2 жыл бұрын
I think that was covered here on a previous episode
@NotoriousJay66
@NotoriousJay66 2 жыл бұрын
I got some of those munk bars, they're pretty good, thanks for the reco.
@captaintoyota3171
@captaintoyota3171 2 жыл бұрын
Oooo if they sold games thru auction at inflated proces only 2 return the $ as it was a buddy inflating market They'll be in DEEEEEP shite
@JimmmyRaynor
@JimmmyRaynor 2 жыл бұрын
just wondering if wata and collectors universe are publicly traded companies under a different company. I couldn't find anything, does anyone else know?
@alex12104
@alex12104 2 жыл бұрын
No it’s private. They were public but were bought out in like November of 2020 after 10x since the beginning of the pandemic
@heisensaul5538
@heisensaul5538 2 жыл бұрын
RICO? Holy crap, that's some serious charges and they deserved to be sued.
@ryanmcintee
@ryanmcintee 2 жыл бұрын
lawyerman probably looked like Charlie Kelly explaining Pepe Sylvia in that boardroom
@reallyretro
@reallyretro 2 жыл бұрын
Guess I wont be submitting my sealed copy of Swordquest Fireworld now lol! Who knows when I would be getting that back if ever.
@ca18drifta1
@ca18drifta1 2 жыл бұрын
Dude I sent in a copy of resident evil 2 sealed (dreamcast) last year under the 45 day window and it took over 7 months to get my game back. That real shitty part is like 2-3 weeks after I sent my game in that video dropped of them being scummy
@reallyretro
@reallyretro 2 жыл бұрын
@@ca18drifta1 Yikes! Yeah screw that, Ill just have to research a different company from now on.
@nickwalters6649
@nickwalters6649 2 жыл бұрын
They in a whole wata trouble.
@roytherocketparsons9096
@roytherocketparsons9096 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched enough Better Call Saul to know the Rico part is about the games crossing state lines
@adammedbery4454
@adammedbery4454 2 жыл бұрын
If the expectation is to settle out of court, what will happen to wata and everyone affected by their actions? If they settle and there's no official ruling and we never find out what went on behind the scenes, and they keep doing it, what good will the lawsuit be? I have no trust for people, and can see some fighting this suit with the end goal of just harvesting cash from wata/H.A. rather than doing good for the affected community.
@crtgamer2355
@crtgamer2355 2 жыл бұрын
All I want now is Munk Pack, WOOOO!!
@panagiotischristo
@panagiotischristo 2 жыл бұрын
Why isn't this news media?
@dendostar5436
@dendostar5436 2 жыл бұрын
Screw ‘em.
@PeacenLuv777
@PeacenLuv777 2 жыл бұрын
I never buy anything from the commercials at the start of these videos but I always watch them cause I just like listening to Pat and Ian talk...what is wrong with me XD
@barbatosrex9473
@barbatosrex9473 2 жыл бұрын
They're now grading PS5, Switch and Xbox Series X games
@neatuhfajita9128
@neatuhfajita9128 2 жыл бұрын
all grading companies don't meet their turnaround times this will be going nowhere obviously
@RyanMartinez
@RyanMartinez 2 жыл бұрын
16:27 Wasn't Collectors Universe founded by a person who did the same shit with coins in the 80s? I thought that was in the documentary. They had to have known.
@Keifus666
@Keifus666 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone getting money back from that class action lawsuit will get a check for a whole tree fiddy.
@DevilSurvivor69
@DevilSurvivor69 2 жыл бұрын
My reaction to what Pat said about him getting hand wavied by those collectors and game journalists saying this wasn't a corrupt scam, is the same as Ian; why should you care what people with zero integrity think about you or your views, they are just shills.
@Captain_Obvious_Says
@Captain_Obvious_Says 2 жыл бұрын
Whoooaaaaaaaaa
@joesno6081
@joesno6081 2 жыл бұрын
Rick from pawn stars would do the same thing 😂
@Jliving8008
@Jliving8008 2 жыл бұрын
If this goes to court and WATA loses we will see an exit in prices for vintage games. Not all games like stadium events and others. You know the games.
@wiz3421
@wiz3421 2 жыл бұрын
And rightfully so. Wonder how long it will take those at garage sales and the like to come down from their "I know what I have" stance.
@bowmoneydrums
@bowmoneydrums 2 жыл бұрын
i work in the professional auction industry if you ever have question, pm me
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
Wata does such shoddy work (e.g. cases with blemishes, poor grading scores, uncentered labels, the list goes on) what I don’t get is why they just didn’t hire more people to deal with the influx of costumers. Kinda stupid business to me.
@RetroHabit82
@RetroHabit82 2 жыл бұрын
Plot twist Pat: Our good buddy Daine was the brainchild of WATA
@BobSentell
@BobSentell 2 жыл бұрын
I do think Wata is a scam. But I'm not a huge fan of lawyers client hunting either. Class action lawsuits are a great way for the lawyer who started this Reddit thread to make a ton of money while everyone else gets enough to pay for part of a cup of coffee.
@Aquatj999
@Aquatj999 2 жыл бұрын
That’s fair, though I suppose in a case like this, the benefit to us would be that WATA is exposed to legal consequences and unable to continue their behavior that’s negatively affecting us all, before they make things worse D:
@SweetLuups
@SweetLuups 2 жыл бұрын
Ian's pitch was better on the munkpack
@bobafett4265
@bobafett4265 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Wata Games one of many scummy grading companies is going to court, they are scary enough as it is they deserve to be punished.
@TheLadsBandLive
@TheLadsBandLive 2 жыл бұрын
To Ian’s note on Nintendo’s labor issues, video game studios, in general, are sweatshops and frequently horrible places to work.
@dopenerd
@dopenerd 2 жыл бұрын
WATA mess 🤦
@loganholmberg2295
@loganholmberg2295 2 жыл бұрын
So if Wata rates your game at being worth half a mil or something stupid you had to pay according to that? What if your dirt poor and can't pay their stupid fees?
@bencheshire
@bencheshire 2 жыл бұрын
Love seeing these come up on ebay with people thinking it means their games are actually worth more. Take its lifejacket off and set it free people
@TheCreepypro
@TheCreepypro 2 жыл бұрын
this is what happens when you try to lie and lie this big you get caught eventually sometimes it takes longer than usual but it happens one way or the other
@MrNuts70
@MrNuts70 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm something tells that working for nintendo is just as bad as trying to upload nintendo stuff..... Amazing that people will still go out of their way to DEFEND that company...
@excitebike64
@excitebike64 2 жыл бұрын
After Iwata passed away, Nintendo's moral compass has gone downhill. They may make way more money, but it's still not the Nintendo I remember.
@megami215
@megami215 2 жыл бұрын
He started all of this. He’s not innocent
@excitebike64
@excitebike64 2 жыл бұрын
@@megami215 I disagree. I believe he held back the flood from shareholders as best he could. Laws do limit how much he influenced.
@megami215
@megami215 2 жыл бұрын
@@excitebike64 he was a greedy business man like very other corporation get his old ass nuts out your mouth
@toms6538
@toms6538 2 жыл бұрын
Only the lawyers make $$ in class action suits… hilarious the “thank you for doing the work for us”
@X360DevNerd
@X360DevNerd 2 жыл бұрын
LOL all i can say
@TheMunky25
@TheMunky25 2 жыл бұрын
Im gonna side with wata cause I hate pat and Ian 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣...JK
@MasterZebulin
@MasterZebulin 2 жыл бұрын
Can't we just skip the courts and just unalive them to make an example of them? Please?
@JQM78
@JQM78 2 жыл бұрын
Market manipulation? Seth Abramsom as a reference for the lawsuit? Lmao, has anyone in here ACTUALLY ever read one of his “articles?” Its called marketing. Every form of collectibles since the beginning of time has had a hype man behind the scenes. Video Games are no different. Rico racqueteering? Sure, good luck with that. LOLOL
@RetroHabit82
@RetroHabit82 2 жыл бұрын
Jobst too. Just another hype man.
@Krushak8888
@Krushak8888 2 жыл бұрын
The issue here is most of them didn't state plainly when they were hyping the market they were WATA and that one guy whose a "silent" owner was selling them too.
@Dn-bc1zi
@Dn-bc1zi 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@neatuhfajita9128
@neatuhfajita9128 2 жыл бұрын
obviously this will go nowhere
@ashedretro3334
@ashedretro3334 2 жыл бұрын
The market is going to crash just like the coin market and the sports card market.
@RetroHabit82
@RetroHabit82 2 жыл бұрын
Nah. It'll balance out, but not crash anytime in the near future.
@clobberonline6812
@clobberonline6812 2 жыл бұрын
wata rip off !!!
@megami215
@megami215 2 жыл бұрын
Not a bigger rip off then keto gronola bars
@milesgreb3537
@milesgreb3537 2 жыл бұрын
Love the show, but posting Non-gmo shit isn't cool pat.
@nerfytheclown
@nerfytheclown 2 жыл бұрын
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