Now this is a vs for the ages! Arguably two of the best dress watches of the modern age mashing it out 😏

I love how candid this review is lol

Credor by a landslide. Journes are nice looking, elegant and superbly constructed. But this Credor is a masterpiece in simplicity, worthy of Duffour's praise. The dial alone is painstakingly painted by hand and just attaching it to the case can take hours. I've held both, and one almost brought me to tears (You can guess which one). Until you see the fineness of that brushing, the sheer depth of that anglage, you don't truly understand the phrase "high horology"

Having seeing them in person for a few times, the Eichi Ruri undoubtedly gets my vote. As an owner of the rose gold version of Eichi II for more than four years, I don't have any complaints about it.

This is probably one of the best vs video you have made!

Awesome video Tim. What a comparison!

The Eichi is peak japanese minimalism. Hope you can make a video on the new Credor Kuon models someday

The CB's basically FPJ's Sub. What I'd really like to see is the Credor Vs the Sax thin blue copper.

Tim, you're a national asset to us watch nuts. Great work.

Agreed fp journe is the most important modern independent watchmaker . He is doing for this generation what dufour did for him .

Definitely the credor for me. As you mentioned, journe makes amazing timepieces. But I’ve seen the spring drive in person and it is mesmerizing 🤩! Then on THAT dial!! No contest imo.

great vid tim

Such interesting comments. I am fortunate to own the rose gold Credor Eichi II, and it is everything I want in an understated dress watch. I am pleasantly surprised that some many comments were in favor of the lesser known Eichi II, however I suppose the demographic of Tim Mosso viewers is discerning enough to appreciate the mastery of the Eichi II. Fantastic video.

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Great comparison video Tim. Really hard to choose but I'd probably stick with the Chronometre Bleu 🙂

Art is my passion and I dream about painting. Vermeer, Van Eyck, and Rothko are artists touched by the hand of God. Sculpture, however, is something you back up into when you're looking at a painting, and then there's time, something I see on my iPhone... until now. Recently I discovered a video about an independent Japanese watchmaker, Masahiro Kikumo. Kikumo's Wadokei watch shook me to my core and exposed me as a fool. I began asking myself, how does a mechanical watch work? What is a tourbillon? I fell down the rabbit hole and I can't find my way out. I'm mesmerized by the A. Lange & Sohne Datograph and the Philippe Dufour Simplicity. These watches are masterpieces of engineering and utilitarian sculpture but... they are not painting. Then I discovered the Credor Eichi ll. If I could have just one watch in the world it would be the Credor Eichi II with Ruri blue dial. It is the most beautiful watch in the world. The porcelain dial is lovingly glazed in blue enamel as deep as the midnight sky. Each number is represented by minimalist strokes and the Credor logo is exactingly painted with an impossibly thin brush. The Credor Eichi ll breathes and pulses. It is a painted masterpiece. Take a Rothko, reduce it to the size of a postage stamp, and the Credor Eichi II would be the result. A silent hum on your wrist. Still, I keep asking myself a vexing question. Could the Eichi II be better? With supplication and respect for Credor, I believe it can. Take the Credor inscription on the dial. Each letter, like the number markers, is painstakingly painted to perfection. Even so, is the Credor inscription too large? Would it be preferable slightly smaller? Perhaps, even, not there at all? Included here are four versions of the Eichi II. On the left is the original. In the middle is the watch with a slightly smaller inscription and on the right shows the dial with the crown logo only. The dial with the smaller inscription is preferable to the existing watch. Perhaps the most controversial version is the fourth dial, with nothing at all. Hear me out. Yes, it feels empty at first, but like looking at a great painting, I encourage you to contemplate the color, the depth, the commanding force of quiet, slowly, over time. To reiterate the point of hard looking, here too is another painted masterpiece, by the artist, Ad Reinhardt. Unlike conventional paintings, there's no artist's signature. The color blue is deep and expansive. It pulses. It's a blue that's bluer than blue, not unlike the Ruri blue dial on the Credor Eichi II. Imagine this same painting by Ad Reinhardt with a signature in the usual places. It's not the same. Another conviction too is that I don't believe the polished bezel suits the dial. The reflections and glare distract the eye from the dial's color, depth, precision, and purity. The photos here, because of skillful camera lighting, show an altogether matte bezel. It allows the eye to settle on the dial without distractions. A brushed platinum bezel is preferable to polished. Credor, as is common wisdom, is the artistic arm of Grand Seiko. While Credor's parent company focuses on engineering prowess, Credor is the expressive arm. The Eichi II is a singular example of this artistic method, unmatched by European watchmakers. Japan has a long history of lacquerware and the Eichi II dial is entirely hand lacquered by the incomparable, Isshu Tamura. So why blemish a painted masterpiece with words, a logo, an advertisement? My preference is that Credor delete their inscription on the Eichi II. It's a blemish on the purest, most beautiful watch ever made. It's an unnecessary flourish that serves vanity. I question, too, the need to use a logo or an inscription of any kind on their watches. There are a growing number of independent horologists who feel no need to pontificate their brand. If Credor is truly the artistic arm of Grand Seiko let brilliance of mind and form and color manifest itself unencumbered by corporate interests. I promise, with this radical change, they will come. Even with this critique, the Credor Eichi ll is the most beautiful watch in the world. My iPhone just won't do.

Love both of these, but I’d probably pick the Credor. Something special about it :)

Love F.P Journe so much HOWEVER.. this Credor takes it to a whole new level it’s not even close

A week in with my credor and absolutely in love!

That's a difficult call. Both great watches. 🔥

7R14 is designed to ilustrate a full bellflower by the bridge layout, skeletonization and structures. Aesthetics wise I think it compliments to the dial side perfectly, that isn't achieved by most high-end watches.

You had me kind of surprised there for a minute tim. The way you were talking about the fpj, I was sure you were going to choose that one what I thought was the obvious winner.

Really enjoyed this comparison! It would be the Credor for me but I would love to have the FPJ in addition. Haha!

There might be more to the large top plates on the credor movement. They appear to be shaped like a sprouting bell flower. Both beautiful, At the end of the day, I’m taking the fpj 10/10 for me.

They're both no doubt amazing. Givne the choice though, I'd go for the Credor. Truly one of the best matchup videos. 2 titans.

Credor! My watches are all under the radar, and this is the perfect quiet luxury watch.... if I can ever afford it! Great comparison TIm!

Dear Tim and Watchbox - i LOVED this comparison review; can you please, please do the Breguet 5177 enamel blue v. the Journe Chronometre Bleu? I'd wager the Breguet would at least hold it's own. What do you think?? (Tim, feel free to opine.....is the Journe better than the Breguet?)

I’m surprised Tim was aware that the anglage leading up to the bell flower follows the outline of mt Fuji as well as serves as the stem for the bell flower.

Credor. Tough, TOUGH choice. They are both fantastic watches but that Credor is something really special. I also love that it has a little Phillipe Dufour in it and you can very much tell it does with the anglage. Its stunning. Edit: wait wait wait wait wait. What is a Byblos? I know of the T-25, that's my favorite FPJ but what is this now?!

both stunning!

The mainsprings on the FP Journe are parralel, not in series.

They are both amazing.

If I were 20 years younger I’d go with the Journe. Today, the only option is the Credor. As you said, it attracts the right kind of people.

I'll take the Credor, but I certainly wouldn't kick the Journe out of bed.

My 2 grail blue dial watches

Credor absolurtely. State of art of fine understatement and quality

That FPJ is perfection!

Credor, without a doubt. Exquisite example of watch making at its highest level

Battle of the best blue dial dress watches at the moment. I have to say I like the Credor more, but I would get the FPJ if I had to put my lottery cash for one of them 😅

FPJ. No doubt. I think your estimates of production, especially the last two years, is way way off.

17:27 "that hypnotic true smooth sweep of the seconds hand, unlike anything else in watchmaking"-- Bulova Accutron had that in 1960 (360 Hz, fine enough that it appears smooth to the eye).

Hi Tim, do you think Credor having cheap stainless steel quartz watches previously on the market that now go for 500 to 800 dollars hurt its present status as Seiko's ultra brand?

It's amazing that there are French words in Japanese.

I would have to take the Journe, not because of technical superiority. I prefer the aesthetics of the Journe timepiece and would enjoy it more on my wrist.

Epic, epic vs.

Credo, i choose you!

Credit is the perfection, my holy grail

Its a brand new strap but you keep rubbing and rubbing it.

"it's not a watch, it's a phenomenon"

I would purchase the credor before the journe

Credor

Both of these are clearly beautiful but I genuinely would purchase a hand wound piece from grand seiko’s elegance range and save thousands, clearly finishing in a different level but dress watches are dinner plates at this size, I have similar wrist size to Sir Tim and both look massive to me and not elegant at all.

Even if the Japanese are more talented watchmakers the Journe wins this competition.

That eichi dial. Omagaaaaaaaawd

Never cross out Tim.. .. Even before I PLAY the video.. I already knew.. FPJ especially the CB will NEVER win any comparison from our TIM’s fair and “unbiased” opinion 😂 “Great” review nonetheless 👍🏻

Im pickin Francewas watch but the Seiko is no sloutch

Journe gets my vote

I find the credor boring. I'm sure in person the dial pops however just seems a bit plain vs the fpj.

Journe all day

is this even a fair comparison? I feel these two watches are in different echelons. I think the CB is more comparable to an entry level ALS, maybe like the aventurine saxomat? this microstudio credor seems a level higher than those.

I like the design of the Journe more, but it is clear and undeniable that the execution of the Credor is far superior.

I swear the happiness I feel when #nkuwan uploads a video is beyond!!!!

Surprised Fpj only offers pin buckle

I bought this popular video watch from nkuwan , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!

The dial on the FP Journe is unforgivable- the six looks like a nine, the nine looks like a 6 - the seven and eight are a different size from the other numerals and the pointless white inner circle is truncated by the running seconds. The Credor dial on the other hand has a nice simplicity and consistency.

My dady bought one #nkuwan and he loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when he went out with it.

FP JOURNE by a lot

money an object- Credor. money no object- Byblos!

Is it just me or is the design language of the Credor kind of boring for the money?

FP Journe for me, by a landslide, both front and back. The only truly impressive thing about the Credor (relative to the price) is the really wide beveling on the movement plates. Those bevels stand out on an otherwise visually dissapointing movement. I understand why you're saying that the movement on the Journe lacks the intricacy and detail of the Credor, and technically you're right, but the overall impression goes to FPJ which makes the Credor's movement look like a plain Jane. I'm all for understated dials, but not understated movement finishing on high horology pieces. Just my $0.2. At the end of the day both watches are incredible and it's no surprise you wanted to make a versus video.

Credor Eichi is very very good, but I think it's not interesting enough. Polishing is not everything in watchmaking. The front is impressive, but the layout of the movement on the back, the bottom cover and the engraving on the movement make it feel careless. All in all, a complete and continuous story is not told.

Journe all the way! That handset 🤤🤤🤤

Most of those choosing the Credor are obviously acting in bad faith as contrarians to the more "hyped" brand. The Credor is nice, but doesn't compare to the journe in esthetics, composition, and originality...it's a boring watch. Journe is on a different level as far as artistry goes.

I don’t mean to put the vintage Accutrons within ten thousand miles of the Credor / spring drive’s league, but the 360hz of its second hand sweep is totally indistinguishable from the spring drive to any human eye. And equally hypnotic to behold.

“It doesn’t tick it doesn’t tok” like dude… relax

Level of finishing on Credor is not seen on any other brand including Laurent Ferrier. I have seen both watches sin person and I really don't understand the hype of FP. Horrible finishing

Are you serious? Credor comes from the French "Créte d'Or" for "pinnacle of gold." It even says this on the Credor web site.

CB

Credor stands below grandseiko or in the same level

I saw the Journe CB in NYC - nice… but felt small and not expensive. Love Credor - but have never held the Eichi in hand. That Byblos is HIDEOUS 🤢

that cb movement is not in the same league w the credor, and i dont even like the credor. This isnt a fair comparison. The cb is one hyped watch w very little substance for the price. But at the end of the day it is a cash cow for FBJ just like people would pay 3Mil for the garbage tiffany patek

Fp journe 🥇won.. but that credor would be right after my Patek,Journe & Alange Sohne…

FP Journe is overpriced. I bet they don't sell so often.

Dude just said some most pretentious watch names at the end. La le laur aougfalf. Credor is minimalistic and elegant.

The Credor is eh-yee-tchee, not etch. 😂

how the credor makes feel- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrqmh6-n0M-lkn0.html

Is Tim gay on Journe ?

FPL seems staid, boring next to the Credor. It's not even close for me.

The Seiko fans are really strong in the comment section. Honestly, the Credor looks like a cheap quartz watch design-wise, sitting almost indistinguishable from a Daniel Wellington.

Wear gloves. Your fingers are dirty

HEY #nkuwan I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day

Dude the fp journe hands down I mean seiko is cool but it's never been a watch to put next to patek or vacheron level watches.

Credor

My dady bought one #nkuwan and he loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when he went out with it.