Glad you like them! 😃

Interestingly enough, at the same time they don't offer it on a Ju-style bracelet presumably so as not to cannibalize GMT Master II sales

Interesting point.

Great perspective.

​@@thamadflavait's so easy to get a jubilee aftermarket like the uncle seiko one, cheap but great upgrade. The rivet bracelet is dumb

Welcome on board - Happy you enjoy my approach. Cheers 😀😀

Since you are watching a video about new watch releases I’m assuming you are a collector or at least hobbyist. That being said I’m guessing 99% of people who buy a Tudor are a one and done watch person. So, the answer to that question can be found in how many Submariners have been sold and yet saturation has not been met.

More doctor evil, or mini me, but thanks either way 😂😂

Do you like the Sub c-graph ii? It's small, too, and wears like a dream. I got the Caribbean and love it.

Lol. Thanks 😂 As for the 200t - I spend quite some time with them in Geneva. Saw a couple of ladies with the watch on wrist. It works very well. Personally - green sunray is a hit 😀😀

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch The new green is very pretty, but doesn’t say ‘summer’ to me. Decisions, decisions! Or, as they say, first world problems.🙄

@@dblh84 Honestly, lovely, too pricey for me, but the deal breaker is the thickness! 15mm+!

Thanks. Cheers 😀

Will do 😃

Lol a 7K Tudor will be hilarious. You can get a NTTD Seamaster for that price.

@@TheBrah808 Valid point. I agree and hope prices stay under £5k for Tudor, but price is relative to what people perceive it to be. If the Rolex marketing machine elevates the Tudor brand for long enough, people will pay it

Yes. The wife would typically not let me go alone to another city for a weekend trip. She would insist that should be both of us, but I got to go because it was "business"... Lol 😂

Thanks a ton. I think I'll stay away from politics though.... 😂😊

It turned out to be hard work, but I enjoyed myself nevertheless 😊😊

Glad to hear it and very happy to have you on board 😊

I just love your analysis. Such insightful, based on facts. Not loud and really clear. I can tell you're into business strategy and that makes your content much more reliable

Yay! 😊

cool! hope you get it soon:D

See! My wife does speak for all women 😂😂

99% of watches out there are comfortable actually.

It's does certainly look like it 😊

Honestly? I thinks it's ok. I have the Alinghi chrono and am very happy with it. They new black model is just too black for my tastes but it is well executed. 😊😊

Yeah... True. Maybe. The BB 41 was of course originally launched as the "heritage black bay" and the monniker stil gets thrown around. And as I've said in other videos, the "Black bay" monniker is inconsistent as it covers very vintage / retro models like the 54 all the way to relative contemporary models like the Black bay dress/sports watches. So it may be true but Tudor is inconsistent in how they communicate it at the very least. Cheers 😊😊

They definitely want their customers to move up to more expensive watches in their lineup but given the new steel gmt master ii I don’t think that I’d agree that they’re trying to move the whole brand up.

Problem is that their precious metal offerings are often uninspiring. No way you can tell em a solid gold deep sea is a good way to make a desirable PM watch. It just lazy.

This is true. More gold. Less steal. Leaving the plebs behind 😃🤦‍♂️

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch indeed, but perhaps Tudor would become the enthusiast brand of choice and not just a consolation prize

lol. Thanks 😂

Speaking as a guy who owns a Submariner and a BB58 (blue) I'd say my man made a pretty good/cool choice ;)

As I already had the Rolex GMT Master II (black bezel) I decided against getting the Rolex Submariner. Rather I wear the Tudor BB 41 mm as the diver tool watch. I like the watch especially its simple dial. Although it's quite chunky (high) I still prefer it over the extremely common Sub.

@@petrolhead007 Good shout. I own around 50 pieces these days (down from around 150. Yikes! These include a 16610 Sub (bought in 2003 for I'm not going to tell you how much ;) The downsides for a serious watch dude however are myriad. Look at Michael's paragraph above i.e. 'most of his buddies wear Subs'. Well, quite. And I wonder how many could talk about the movement, history, VPH etc etc... The smart money is on 'none'. Not always the case with Rolex guys of course but very, very common. Bottom line, it's nice to wear something instantly appreciated by other watch nerds, as opposed to young guys giving it the 'big I am' about how much money they 'don't have'... GMT Master 2 a cool watch mind 👍

I cant figure out why they cant put a date on a mid sized diver either. Micro brands can offer date/no date and 10 different colours on a $300 watch, why cant Tudor date any of the bb, bb58/54 or pelagos39?

@@K.J.H_ It is pretty infuriating. The PR side may claim it's to avoid confusing their customers, but I'm guessing they simply see it as a way to keep costs down short term. I think they bite themselves in the foot long term though.

@@MrKanjidude yeh I don't know, but it does feel like a big blind spot to me. I always thought it was out of pure hubris. They are telling you exactly how the watch is going to be because it's their art and they know better than you how it should be. I'm sure there's a financial and/or strategic component I'm not seeing too.

@@K.J.H_ Yeah, there could be a bit of that too. Showing who is in charge.

What is interesting is that Tudor makes extensive use of robots. So the lack of delivery is inexcusable!

They would have to discontinue existing models and not rely on new releases. This will never happen. Perhaps a reconsideration of the OP line, but everything else remain a staple. That’s hardly a shift if you ask me.

I’m not saying they’re gonna drop stainless GMT or submariners. I just believe they will become even harder to obtain. to the point where people will completely give up hope. If that’s not happened already. If you want a Rolex, you gonna have to go precious-metal. Watches and wonders - One stainless watch released. Not even a new date just dial. I think they’re making a concerted effort to push people towards Tudor and they will slowly elevate prices up for Tudor. Personally, I’ve got no desire on any current Rolex models. I’m buying neo vintage.

BUT, production goes up to nearly 2 million watches, in 25/26? How does this work out? What models are they going to produce? I think they need representation in the high level dress market, where precious metals, high levels of finishing and complications are required.

@@verynormalman maybe that is what we will see, starting with then 1908. Agree, production will go up, even more so when the new permanent facility is ready in 2029. It’s not easy being mass market and luxury at the same time.

@@verynormalmanbingo.

Tend to agree. At least in the west. Having travelled a lot in asia, there's a heavy lean on diamonds and more ornate watches there. But in the west, things like the Claire de rose. I just don't think they sell to modern women. 😀

Based on what? My Tudors have been extremely reliable and accurate for several years at this point. From a spec perspective, Tudor is above as well.

@@brucesuitt993 Based on personal experience (failed BB58 movement); industry knowledge and on innumerable, well publicised problems with the Kenissi movements (Date problems, GMT probs, bezel numeral probs...). Excluding the movements (which are improving), build quality on Tudors is good, but not £4k good. Modern Longines are built better (bracelet aside), with superior (ex ETA) movements.

more and more, yes...

thanks 😀

Seems like that’s where they are heading. Rolex coming with super expensive models this year wanting to be up there with AP and Patek. Not every sucker should own a Rolex. So here is the new working mans Rolex. The Tudor.

Agree. I really like Tudor and there's no doubt that their watches are excellent but the prices just continue to creep up and as they do there's more price for the brand that get baked in than the objective cost of the components relative to Longines or others.. 😊

Will definitely be my first Tudor watch. I can’t find a fault to my eye or wrist.

@@Topscurathere’s a few extremely minor QC issues left. My BB54 has its bezel misaligned by like maybe .2mm or so at most. The pip is near perfect but not quite as well.

Good question. So today. I have had hands on Formex GMT at 2.000 ish dollars. I have seen the Bb GMT and had hands on a regular bb 58. I went to a store and tried the Longines today as well. Based on externals alone there is literally little to nothing that separates them quality wise - dial, hands, bezel action, polish. Internals? The Tudor is way better - metas and all. So there’s two parts for me. Is the METAS tudor worth 1-1.5k more than a Longines and 2.5 k over a Formex? No. In no way. And honestly - COSC is enough for me. METAS is bragging rights as far as I’m concerned. The price markup is disproportionate (for me) for what you get in terms of technology. Then there’s the look. Longines all the way. Tudor is not as exciting to me as they have been. Cheers 😀

@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch let us know if you buy any of those please. I'm looking at the prices here and also feel as you stated, I payed too much for my bb925. However the current prices for the new models are around what I payed a year ago with tax $6000 Canadian. Had I know about the Longines GMT then I may have gone that route. Regards, Chris

If Metas accuracy is important, get a Grand Seiko. The hi beat is a better movement than the BB and the Spring Drive is far more accurate than metas. GS is mostly hand made. The competition is machine made. No comparison.

@@rickjason215 Your statement would apply to the Seiko SLA065J1? Chris

Bb58 with no gilt, and keep the red triangle I'd buy tomorrow

Thanks - And yes, I've seen you around more than once. Highly appreciate your engagement 😊😊

Fair perspective. No doubt that Tudor is looking more and more like the Omega brand we had 5-10 years ago in terms of quality and positioning 😊

With this gmt out I feel like the value is definitely there vs a 5 digit gmt master ii with coke bezel. This new Tudor gmt is just a more vintage styling of that same watch

@@ungabungus01 . . . although 45+ years ago there were 3 digit gmt masters - which has since been serviced a few times by Rolex Specialists 🙂

I am an Omega collector and Omega is raising its prices in the footsteps of JLC.

With the black bay 54, the missing element is the red triangle.

Fair enough. WE like what we like 😀😀

I want to like the Monta. But it isn’t as distinctive as it could be. You’ve said in other videos, the smaller brands have to work harder. And a lot of them do, but in their GMT, it is as if they produced an homage to Tudor. Do a MOP dial, or a sunray dial. Something extra, a bit more zing. Go that next step to give me a reason to want the Monta over the Tudor. I know it’s $2000 less. I’ve heard their case and bracelet/clasp are exceptional, but I want the perfect GMT. Maybe I’m too demanding.

It was hard work--- but also fun 😀😀

Some people do….

Let's not forget the Seamaster is the second highest selling diver worldwide rivaled by Rolex. I don't think Tudor can change that or subtract from it's sales with any of the current offerings. Also IMO the Clair de Rose by Tudor will not take away from Cartier dominance in the women's market with the tank and Santos. Tudor's new designs are great offerings but do not compete with Cartier or Omega IMO.

Same hyping group. Prob same slush fund

I believe they are both owned by the same company or whatever the non-profit situation is that Rolex is under too. So I would assume joint strategising at the top.

@@K.J.H_ still, i don't see jlc looking like a cartier or ALS, Omega looking like a breguet or Blancpain, LV looking like a zenith etc. That's the reason Tudor has this image problem. A baggage so to speak. The current ranger for example is almost a 1:1 replica of the OP. Morgan Stanley figures show this very clearly. Despite the multi Year concerted huff and puff by paid KZfaqr/reviewers Tudor has consistently been shunned by buyers. It has now dropped beyond #15...on the swiss watch rankings list.

@@Mega-zi7ys they seem to lean into the rolex connection when it suits them. It's definitely a weakness in a lot of ways, but they are trying to play it like a strength by releasing reissue/reimagining old rolex references and even covering shortfalls in the rolex line-up at times. Some models sure seem to be in high demand and good sellers but probably not across their whole catalogue and at their price point. They have a very distinctly different origin story as well as relationship to the parent company to that of the brands you named in example. So they are operated and strategised in a fairly unique way. I can't really comment on weather 15th is good or bad for them because I don't really know where they've been historically, but I can say that the watch market saw quite a bit of growth for a while there and I'd presume they did pretty well out of the slice of the pie they have (plus they're realistically an arm of rolex which was no 1). But yeh I get your point, that based on hype alone one would think they'd be 2nd or 3rd.

@@K.J.H_ 😂 yes re hype in KZfaq you'd get the impression they're up there huh?😂 But data from Morgan Stanley figures say otherwise. They dropped from 15th to 17th... after the great hype.

How can you say Tudor offers a value compared to Seamaster and speedmaster? The Omega watches you mentioned hold more prominence are more recognizable and have better finishing. All those features come at a price. A Seamaster on bracelet at 5900 is far better refined, unique, and iconic vs Black Bay at 4500. Btw METAS is a standard just like COSC is a standard. Just because Tudor can meet the standard doesn't mean the movement is as good as Omega or even close to Rolex. There's also finishing of the movement and reliability (two areas where the Omega excel above Tudor).

@@miabeatz80 Alternative being the key word you’ve missed. It’s easy to say. Tudors are 2-3K less, for a watch with similar specs and quality. That, by definition is a value based alternative. Personal preferences, or an affinity to a brand, well that’s a different argument. As the owner of a NTTD and Railmaster, I can attest to Omega’s quality and accuracy. As the owner of a Pelagos LHD, I can attest to its value for the same quality and accuracy. As a lover of watches I can’t attest to the beauty of all three, related to my personal preferences. One of those watches is clearly the value proposition. I’ll let you guess.

@@uncles2000 I don't want you to think I don't value your opinion as you own both brands. However where do you draw the line in deciding which models can't be compared constructively. IMO both Seamaster and Speedmaster are iconic (I'm sure you would agree). For me it's hard to compare something iconic to something that isn't and say the cheaper version is a value. That's like saying Toyota (cheaper) is a value compared to Lexus because they share engines and are made by the same company.

@@miabeatz80 Toyota to Lexus is more akin to Tudor to Rolex. But ask yourself, is the fit, finish and brand recognition of a 124060 worth twice the price of a Pelagos? My heart say the 124060, my wallet know the Pelagos is the better value in a tool watch. 20 years from now my wallet will tell me the Rolex was a better investment. But to use your car analogy. Is a 24 ZO6 a better value than a 23 Portofino M? I know which one I’d rather be seen in and which one is the value for what you get. Again, Tudor is using its connection to Rolex and its marketing to the latest generations, to attract entry level Omega buyers, based on value, for specifications, design and to some extent nostalgia.

@@uncles2000 True. I guess for me looking at watches I don't say "value compared" I simply say value or expensive. Value compared for me would be comparing two watches with similar price, finishing, movement, and popularity. Imagine telling a royal oak owner you bought a Rolex Daytona because it's a better value than the Royal oak lol. Do you get my drift? By the way the Toyota supra gives the LC Lexus a run for is money performance wise so all rules can be broken 🍻

Spot on!. I’ve handled them many times and I’m not impressed!. They feel cheap for the price.

Same. Really wanted the BB burgundy dial last year. Then i tried it on at a boutique and was disappointed. I do like the look of the new GMT.

I totally disagree

This! 🍻

I’d say it depends on the model. BB Chrono feels the price, same with Pelagos (including FXD). Some others feel right inline with the MSRP, but others do not (Ranger, and others) but the Ranger you’re paying more for the movement as well.

39-40 looks correct with a 47-48 lug to lug on my 7.25in wrist. Of course I can still pull off sizes outside of that but that's what looks to sit perfectly to me without going for a large or small watch statement either way.

The gilt and fake rivets need to go

Not just you. The bb58 GMT would have been better as a smaller version of the 41mm BB-GMT

It comes on a jubilee as well, so that removes one of your complaints.

Found the broke guy pretending to be rich👆

Couldn't agree more!!! It's such a cliché that watches for women HAS to have diamonds on the dials. Why? It doesn't add that much value for a watch. I understand that brands need to go for their target, but I think if independent brands would add more 34mm models out there, they would get such a potential client that not that many small brands have tried

Yes, whenever I show a watch with diamonds on it to my gf she goes ‘ugh’, even the Cartier models. Some girls just want a small, low key steel or gold watch without all the bling.

It's just what most women want. There are models without the ridiculous diamonds too.