Stop begging

I’m a one-man show. Asking for help is never easy. Nor is depending on others when I’m used to doing so much on my own. But KZfaq is also my joy and my livelihood. And it’s only possible because of the help I get from my community.

"no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" please keep this title. it made me chuckle and click the video!

@@Venzynt stop negging.

​@@thegoodgeneralagreed. DB is the best.

😂 for real though the only movie with great dialogue is ep 5

Accurate 😂

​@@hylianrowhich George had almost nothing to do with.

@@russianoverkill3715 exactly that's why I said that

Episode IV had tons of memorable lines. Episode V too. Ep I II III VII are just pathetic.

Have you seen the Italian version

The only way I can get through Episode 3 is if I watch the badly translated into Chinese and then back into English sub or dub of Backstroke of the West.

I view it as it's meant to be seen, in the original Klingon.

@@KameronJ7 I see you are a man of culture as well.

It' s somehow dry.....and coarse. I don't like it.

Be careful that you remove the inherent bias just about we all possess for already seeing these movies countless times and preemptively knowing the scenes before they happen. To truly appreciate what a silent SW film is, it is incumbent upon us to beseech someone who has no previous SW film viewing experience

I actually liked to say the dialogue from the movies when playing the Lego games, I immited each character's voice, including females.

@@TactileTherapy did you just learn what a thesaurus is

@@Jeremy-ot6pb Definitely a bot

can you shush? ​@@TactileTherapy

I watch that.

There was a SW Visions episode (called The Duel) on D+ that had the sabers and blaster fire alone in color. It was intentionally made to resemble the visual style of the Kurosawa films. I recommend seeing it!

Ah yes... The Schindler List approach

​@@AstralLass469 I just watched the Japanese dub of this after reading your comment and it's one of the sickest things I've ever seen, thank you

Ooh that'd be cool

Absolutely. Even the worse movies like prequals or the ones he did in the sequal trilogy the music is still top notch

yes. thank the Maker they didn't go for a 70's disco track

Well, I remember a little heated discussion on Giacchino's work for Rogue One back when it premiered... But aside from that, yeah, universal agreement.

Except the people who say he's just a very clever ripoff artist, for writing too close to his influences.

@@babababad No “ripoff-artist” would ever be allowed near the Vienna philharmonic orchestra let alone conduct them, playing his own music.

"And we understood we were actually part of something great, and we never made fun of George again" Why not both? :D

Makes sense though, because Sci-Fi films were mostly kids films or very low budget TV shows back then, and I'd imagine to them it would be like filming for a new Spy Kids movie in 2024. Star Wars was cutting edge for its time thanks to George and his team.

Ford and Hamill have been making fun of George for years. Although I think affectionately.

@@Simpson17866 because they understood its value? what do you mean

@@ZeroShaneBob Star Wars is still cutting edge. None of the modern special effects beat it.

You know, once Charles Chaplin met and praised Benny Hill.

Can confirm, most people here might not know a single word in english and still recognize him inmediately

When the teddy bear lost its head, I felt that

When I was in Nepal, I found a Mr. Bean video game at a stall that sold pirated games. Didn't even know Mr. Bean had a video game.

@@DivineEternalOne I hope you bought it.

Tartakovsky made Jedi Council actually feel like it's comprised of the most skilled Jedi masters and who all discuss problems, not just Yoda and Mace Windu.

Makes sense. His newer series Primal is done completely without dialogue, save the occasional grunts and roars.

@@Christian-ri2uf but when it does have dialogue it's still great, loved that modern day episode about those scientists.

There's very little dialog in that series.

Hot take this was the superior Clone Wars. It fits so much better between episodes 2 and 3 and doesn’t really retcon anything. Not to mention you can watch it all in one sitting lol

It really isn’t.

Anyone know where you can watch the whole thing?

So someone made and put it in post on reddit. I just did a web search for kurosawa re-edit of star wars and it came up

@empatheticrambo4890 It's actually insulting to the legacy of Kurosawa.

@@leikeylosh how do you mean?

In a similar vein, this video compares the dialogue to Lucas' sound effects. "King of Wooden Dialogue" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZt1YMiEybjOiKc.htmlsi=tS7jvPZvAJrgykwi

You could argue that too with Sam Raimi 'Spider-Man trilogy, it's so memeable, it's a contemporary of the prequels.

Huh, I never thought of it like that. It makes sense that you can meme it because you can get the point across so many different ways with just four photos of two people.

I really appreciate Lucas's purity in terms of direction and writing. Naturality is so underrated compared to how pretentious films often are nowadays, like Dune or EEAAO.

It’s memable because they have stupid dialogue and are bad films not because they’re good

You can actually turn the dialog off

The latest, Skywalker Saga game, has an option in the menu to turn on mumble mode, which is what they call the old dialogue style.

Switching the dialog to mumble mode doesn't fix the problem though, they changed how they adapt the scenes to include the dialog in order to understand the story, removing it leaves an obvious dialog shaped hole. I remember feeling so disappointed when I played the Skywalker Saga and the story was just so boring compared to my memories of the original games. The dialog existing at all ruins it, whether it's been turned off or not.

@@xipheonj I actually didn't know that, but now that you say it it makes total sense. I picked up Skywalker Saga back when it came out, never actually got around to trying it. I guess the pacing of cutscenes is based around the dialogue being there, and the sheer amount of work required to make the mumble mode a true classic option would be too much. That's really a shame, then. Less time for slapstick jokes and gags!

Just be honest and say you outgrew them. It's OK to not be a child anymore.

The sound editing in that movie is amazing. I rewatched it with the stereo on, and wow, the amount of detail from podracer uniqueness and foreshadowing melodic memes, makes it a great storytelling. Lucas did a good job story telling seperately in a visual, music (auditory), and dialogue ways.

Darth jar jar being removed from subsequent episodes was the buggest mistake George ever made. That would have been the best "if you go back and look," reveals

@@LethinGabbins The "darth Jar Jar" thing is a myth. George described him as inspired by Goofy

@snazzle9764 yea, but there is lots of e idence in episode 1 as well as being palps go to. Jar jar was the reason the senate voted to give Palpatine emergency powers. Jar jar was replaced by doku out of nowhere.

@@LethinGabbins jar jar isn't the reason lol, he's only the one proposing that to the senate..

Even Lucas called it a space opera, and a soap opera.

I'm venezuelan, I could teach you, it's very simple compared to japanese.

lo siento

oh my dear french class... I can barly remember you

I took German from 7th grade all the way thru my junior year of college. That’s 9 years. It’s been 6 years since then and I lost the vast majority of it. A second language is like a muscle, you NEED to flex it frequently and treat it like exercising. If you don’t, it will wither away in a heartbeat.

When it comes to second languages, use it or lose it. If you don't have anyone to speak that second language to in your daily or at least weekly life, it may be a pointless endeavor to learn in the first place, unless you will keep yourself practiced.

Same, I'm Scanian Swedish, I didn't understand anything they said in Star wars, Lord of the rings or Titanic lol. But I understood the story, even though I didn't speak english I understood what was happening and I think it affected me. As a result, when I watch movies as an adult, it matters far more to me what the emotions of the characters are, the tone of their voice, the music, the scenery, the expressions, what they say doesn't matter nearly as much. Yet I still fully appreciate the story lol.

Whats wrong with that line? Think of the context: Anakin has been taught to be a stoic monk for the past 10 years, then he is reintroduced to his lifetime long crush and theyre in a romantic setting. He is socially awkward with his crush, something alot of us can relate to.

@@jaaxlo His 8 years on Tatooine, his male influences were his slave owner and freighter pilots (space truckers). The very first thing he said to Padme was "Are you an angel?". Socially awkward indeed.

@@jaaxlo "It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth." *KISS* Yeah, great writing. I wish they'd reused this line in Dune. Since Star Wars basically stole everything from Dune anyway, maybe Dune could steal this idiocy back. Or maybe not. Yeah definitely not. This is silly.

@@Albtraum_TDDC you have an actual argument or are you just gonna whine?

@@thatHARVguy wasn't he like 9 years old at the time? That's not socially awkward time, that's adorable time.

Adding dialog to move with the times is bs. It just means we want to save time and money by using less nuance and expertise. Probably because the money people are talking louder than the experts.

@@stevecarter8810 Not sure you are making sense. It'd cost a lot more money to hire a bunch of voice actors than a few animators to make silent scenes. The issue IMO is that the budgets for video games is out of control, and everything has to be the "biggest ever" with Hollywood actors, and huge worlds with tons of collectibles, and $40 DLCs. It's hard for a AAA game to be made with any passion when there's shareholders breathing down a studios neck that has 400 plus people, who BTW, all have their own ideas for how a game should be made.

"The times" don't really have much to do with it. Not like a game full of non-dialogue was "the times" when Lego star wars first came out either.

I acrually remember liking the music already before I even watched the films, also I played Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga and then watched it.

"Space Opera" Lucas says this all the time

That’s a totally different statement. You missed the point of the video

Good one

@@Grant-Shillings the video point is that it’s like silent movie not movie without sound.

That's interesting and makes more sense to be honest. Better than "he made two good movies but was fucking up his passion project until...." story that was being told over and over.

Yeah, see I had remembered that story getting debunked, too. But then when I was working on this video I couldn’t find where I’d seen that, so I thought I must’ve been making it up that it’d been. Guess I should’ve gone with my gut.

@@CinemaStixyour recent community post had many comments arguing this and posting links to the amazing video by Nerdonymous.

@@thegoodgeneral I was making a comment about this, but deleted it now seeing this thread here. For anyone reading and not wanting the watch the video: _How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really),_ by Nerdonymous, the biggest fabrication in it was the claim that the Death Star sequence at the end didn't have a time limit of the Death Star blowing up the rebel base until the edit (which is debunked by shooting scripts), and RocketJump try to place Marcia on a pedestal for her editing while also shitting on the deleted Tatooine scenes of Luke and friends, which she had edited and liked, and Lucas didn't even want to film in the first place (only doing so because the studio didn't have confidence to not introduce the main character a.s.a.p.). On the other hand, Nerdonymous' video is great and filled with info pulled from Making of Star Wars books and gives a lot of behind the scenes insights. Also has a pair of videos Star Wars Apocrypha that cover some lore and behind the scenes of sequels production and is great nerd juice.

Ah, brilliant! Well, it seems my curse that there always seems to be one error in every video that could’ve been avoided by the change of a single line. I was dealing in outdated intel-very bad practice :) I’ll fix it in next year’s compilation and find a way to redirect people accordingly on this one-or hopefully this thread will just rise to the top naturally.

Tbh, a lot of the dialogue sounds better in the mexican/latin american dub of the movies, especially for the prequels, even Darth Vader's voice sounds pretty idéntical to James Earl Jones. As you say, maybe that's why the dialogue never bothered me.

Sometimes I like to _mess_ a little with saturation while watching in my laptop, and let me tell you... No one is ready for B&W Blade Runner 2049 Many more transform amazingly well too

Why

@Tonyo-man May the 4th be with you.

They're literally on the same line.

David Lynch has entered the chat....

@@phillipemery572 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hqd8ncWF1JeoZYk.html

Nice connection. I've watched Dune part one on mute and it was still incredible

the people who can't help but have little grins are my favorite

One of the best concerts I've seen, I wish I saw it live, well, any John Williams concert for that matter.

@@jesustovar2549 I don't know where you live, but if you can make it to Los Angeles, John Williams does a live show at the Hollywood Bowl every summer.

😂

Truly one of his finest.

under sand?

@@Music--ng8cd Why would you say something so evil? brb gotta take out this sudden burst of anger on a few unsuspecting kids

@@BlazinInfernape They'll kick your ass

loss pfp lmao

I've felt like George's dialogue is the way it is because it's based on old Japanese movies.

The difference between what most people think and the actuality is that Disney shouldn't try. They should be exploring the space, not trying to emulate a singular vision. That's what made Last Jedi interesting (I'm not commenting on whether it was good or bad or whether it succeeded or not.) Johnson was starting to explore beyond the boundaries of OG Star Wars and it made so many folks uncomfortable. It is also why early Mandalorian is so successful. While it isn't *exactly* Star Wars, it is adjacent enough to still feel like Star Wars while not just being a rip off.

@@just_gut Nah. Johnson was purposely trying to undermine the core philosophies and characters. That's why people hated it. Plus it was just a trash story regardless of the SW backdrop. Everything SW now is just fan fiction, and like most fan fiction, it's pretty bad with a sprinkling of mediocrity tossed in. It's just a corpse being leeched by vultures unworthy of the IP. If they at least stayed true to the universe's core concepts and could tell good stories it would be ok, but that's too much to ask these days.

@@just_gut The issue with The Last Jedi is it basically took a big dump on everything Force Awakens set up. Johnson should have made his own solo film separate from the Sequel Trilogy. Disney and Lucasfilm also should have had an entire rough draft of a story built up with a start and finish to give the Directors guidance on where the films were going. They rushed all the movies out, and didn't plan ahead, and we ended up with a bunch of crap.

@@just_gut I knew as soon as you mentioned The Last Jedi in anything other than a totally negative light that all of the responses to your comment would focus entirely on that. And lo and behold... It's such a challenge to have engaging and polite discourse in the Star Wars fandom these days, but I very much respect your effort for trying. I think you've hit the nail on the head with your assessment: Disney's greatest strength is having the financial flexibility, resource pool, and an entire industry's worth of creatives at their disposal in order to tell any number of different stories in the Star Wars universe. Projects like Andor, The Last Jedi, The Mandalorian, and Visions highlight how much room their is to play within the Star Wars sandbox; with creators being given freedom to tell stories which have never been told before in the medium of Star Wars. The Force Awakens, while successful, is about as much a carbon copy of A New Hope as you could possibly get; and I think it's emblematic of the greater issue that Disney is struggling with when it comes to finding success in their Star Wars storytelling: an overwhelming inability to take creative risks. People loved Star Wars because of George Lucas' vision for the story. Why not continue to carry on that legacy by giving new creatives the freedom and control they need in order to tell their own stories in the universe? (Plus, when there's enough different types of Star Wars out there, for enough different groups of people, the loud and annoying voices of negativity in the fandom get a whole lot quieter when single projects don't have the impossible responsibility of trying to please everyone).

Disney fundamentally does not understand Star Wars. They are no different from the legions of fanboys who only engage with the very surface level elements of the story. The action, the explosions, the actors and the aesthetics. Disney doesn't care about the ideas that made Star Wars so compelling any more than the fanboys do. The only difference is that Disney wants to use its purchased assets as a vehicle to push their own message and the fanboys want to see more of what they've always seen.

Episode 3 is a close second to Empire for the best Star Wars film, and it has the best suite of music by a mile. That one scene (Anakin's Anguish I believe it's officially titled) proves categorically that Hayden Christensen is a good actor and Lucas a good director.

"Japanese-dubbed black and white Lego Star Wars" My life will not be complete until someone makes this happen.

Funny enough, Lego Star Wars content has been the best Star Wars content after Revenge of the Sith. I remember spending my summers watching the games cutscenes uploaded to KZfaq because I couldn't afford the games and enjoying it as much as the original movie.

Actually it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience. I exaggerate, but there is a (free) program that utilizes deep learning algorithms to separate vocals from music. I haven't tried it to see if it works with sound effects as well, but it probably would. The program is called UVR, btw (Ultimate Vocal Remover).

Thanks for watching! :)

Negative space is a major element of art. In film, negative space takes on a very different form than it does in static art like paintings or ceramics. Absence of color, music, sound, or dialogue is negative space in film, and it almost always enhances the impact. Godzilla Minus One is another great example of how a black and white version can be even more effective than full color. It's an excellent movie both ways, but the black and white cut feels so much more impactful because of the character's history.

Well Tarantino dosnt know how actual humans talk either, but nobody seems to bother him about it 😂

Dunkirk is as well

As Patrick Willems said, it's a "vibes movie"

Given that you can't hear any of the dialogue anyway, you'd hope so.

Oh, yes! Lucasfilm held the *patent* to video games using shifting thematic music matching the pacing of the player and scripted actions.

It's called iMUSE. LucasArts used it in many games, but it was incredibly effective in the X-Wing series.

I only change my underwear once a week.

So glad you did too!

This warms my heart, thank you :) I know, it’s so tough talking about Star Wars. It’s so tough just coming up with anything to say about it that hasn’t been said. But when I stumble on an idea, it really gets me going. So, very glad you enjoyed it. And much more to come. -Danny

What have we lost?

Meaningful, iconic, thematic, and dramatic cinema that values normalcy, wonder, family, and silence

What does it mean?

@@mrtnhrng So I love the channel, and the guy is genuinely insightful, but he always uploads with a really provocative clickbait title (to boost views at the beginning) and then changes them after a day or two. The video was posed yesterday as "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" and, predictably, has now changed to "star wars without music doesn't work very well."

@@AdamFunk Thanks! Tbh, I had to google "mid"... xD

@@mrtnhrng Ope, jk, now it's changed to "when the movie still works without dialogue" a few hours later. Lmao. That's three titles in two days.

​@@AdamFunkyeah, he does it quite a bit....but its not as if others dont do a similar thing, and I understand why he does it. Trialing the videos is important. Regardless, his videos are good and the titles always lead to what the video is about, so I don't mind 😊

Because you opened it from the opera browser maybe?

Pop out player works for me. Copyright music is the only thing that I've found to not allow the pop out.

I’m opening it from the KZfaq app on my phone, are you doing the same? I’ve never seen a KZfaq video with pop out play on the phone, but think it would be amazing if it was the norm.

There was a first edition that had... Clunky pacing. You can still find it from the radio play. It wasn't 'regular editing'; it was a last past that made it work.

@@CrissaKentavr The original version was edited by some dude that George then fired. Then the "disastrous" cut that was shown to Spielberg was edited by Marcia and the other 2 dudes. Editing "saves" every film.

I didn't knew about it either, first atrempt of home media, imagine playing the soundtrack LP while the movie is playing in your wall.

5 minutes and it's gone lol

What was the original title?

@@katashley1031”George Lucas calls Star Wars a silent film”

​@@katashley1031"no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid"

Time to eat some cinnamon sticks!

Return of the Stix You wanna buy some death stix?

Agreed!

It's just a normal thing for the algorithm

I was just thinking the same thing! Star Wars must be on everyone's minds atm

May the 4th be with you,​@@chloehunter3428.

May the 4th be with you 😊

@@alexmetalsky2061 omg how could I have forgotten, haha. May the fourth be with YOU

It's a shitty tactic to get you to click on the video

What was the previous title?

@@katashley1031”george lucas calls star wars a silent film”

@@ginocappugino I've also heard that some youtubers are just curious to see which title would preform better

100%. Empire is the redeeming film of the original trilogy. Kirshner did a fantastic job of adding just enough of a sense of realism without seeming like a disconnect from the fantasy/sci-fi element.

@@katashley1031 yeah for sure. And without the score, empire would have never been made perhaps.

And boy does Williams "owe" a lot to other composers 😬

And John Williams owes so much to Gustav Holst....

But whose idea was it to use orchestra music? George is a great director.

Seriously, lol.

Such a master. The first album I purchased was a John Williams score. When I moved to LA a coworker invited me to a tribute to Williams at the Bowl. I went and still can't believe what I got to experience; the dropped down a big screen to play a pivotal moment of Jaws while the orchestra played the score live. For a gal who's been a huge fan of his since I was 7 years old, I think I died, lol. Floated right up to heaven. 😂

@@katashley1031 lol that sounds awesome*, hopefully I get to see him live someday, I think he does a yearly performance in a UK theatre, the name alludes me though *edit: minus the dying part XD

​@@katashley1031I envy you, I love his music even before I watched the films.

Clearly not since many films are without John Williams and are still great.