Waterproof shower with Hydro Ban Board Foam Board

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Complete step by step installation of a waterproof shower stall using Laticrete Hydro Ban Board with their bonding flange and all the other components to create a totally waterproof shower. If you are building a shower, then you need to waterproof it. Just putting up a cement board and then tiling it without applying some kind of waterproofing, will lead to a failure. There are many ways to waterproof a shower, the tile is not going to stop water from entering your wall cavity, or going through the floor, waterproofing needs to be done. Here I demonstrate two ways of sealing the seams, corners and floor, of the shower. The Hydro Ban Liquid applied membrane makes for a fast and easy installation that is suitable for a standard shower. Substitute the liquid hydro Ban with thinset and membrane ,and banding to be suitable for a steam shower. Laticrete Hydro Ban Board is made of a lightweight waterproof high-density extruded polystyrene core , and has a reinforced, waterproof membrane on both sides. All three layers of the board are waterproof. In This video I use the 1/2" version but is also available in 1/4” , 3/8” , 1/2”, 5/8”, 1", 1 ½” and 2" This is what is referred to a a sealed system, and is in my opinion far superior to a traditional "water in water out" system with a vinyl liner.Waterproofing a shower is something that must be done, Laticrete has a great system to do just that.
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@SheldonClayPage 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful! This prepared me for my upcoming shower project.. Thanks a million!!

@pandapanda8354 4 жыл бұрын

You’re always so patient and thorough. I appreciate your teaching style.

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@Tom-it3hz 4 жыл бұрын

Sal DiBlasi yea Sal... I’ve learned so much from you . Thank you . Do you ever conduct classes ?

@elver-galarga3459 4 жыл бұрын

Excelente trabajo señor .!!!!

@abotorky3097 4 жыл бұрын

You're great, my friend.

@Dtileandremodeling 4 жыл бұрын

All always.The master at work!

@scflooring8658 3 жыл бұрын

That was the best video I’ve seen on the pan very simple and easy to follow I like how you do your perimeter first and use your level to pitch it. Very nice Sal!

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching my video.

@LAGUY88 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful atisan work. Thanks for sharing. From one former Bostonian to another. Gazie.

@mike7357 3 жыл бұрын

I love this video. Thank you Sal!

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@daytonpyro 4 жыл бұрын

beautiful amazing work once again

@showerpros 3 ай бұрын

it's interesting to see how you progress with methods over the years. for example you didn't burn the thinset with the flat side of trowel before applying the sheet membrane at floor, you went straight to the notch side. more recent videos now recommend burning the thinset with the flat side which gives way more bond strength per your comment. i am always trying to improve myself and it's good to see real life examples. thanks Sal

@skytiger6671 Жыл бұрын

Good job on the base

@T.E.P.. 2 жыл бұрын

priceless vids these long vids ... soo happy to be a subscriber. Hope you are going to have a memorable glorious weekend Sal!

@ajducey1868 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sal! I see some folks placing little rocks around the weep holes at the base of the drain. I didn't see you doing that.

@rideauviewconstruction717 4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that you work with different products mainly in the effort to have an easier install and better finish products. Whether one uses it or not makes no difference, just good to keep an open mind. Always great videos.

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

Try different product, only way to know if they are any good and if you might want to use them.

@8dsacco 4 жыл бұрын

Sal, you're the man! I'm also from the Boston area. Whenever I have a tile issue, you are the first resource I check. You have helped me out so much I wanted to donate to your channel, but there is no option for a one time donation. Let me know if I am missing it ( I'm not into monthly subscriptions)

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

At the bottom right hand corner of the channel banner there is a a Pay Pal link. kzfaq.info

@haroldduran9642 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing skills, thank you for your videos I have learned a lot from you. to do it the right way.

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@donaldtrump5386 4 жыл бұрын

Sal Love watching your videos I think the way I do it might be overkill I’ve done it that way before I use a galvanized wire Tar paper what I started doing was I install the rubber pan then install the mud and then I install the Hydro ban on top of the mud this way if one fails I always have back up like I said it might be overkill but I never have an issue great videos keep them coming I’m also from Boston

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

I have done it that way, but came to the conclusion it is better to use a tested and guaranteed system than modifying one.

@pandapanda8354 4 жыл бұрын

38:46 THE TILE BASEBOARD 😍😍😍😍

@xxBIGSURGExx 3 жыл бұрын

could you use the fabric you put on the corner walls down at the bottom for your inside/outside corners? Thanks Sal!

@katlur 4 жыл бұрын

Really lovely job! I always enjoy your videos. Thanks!

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@saldanakev 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Sal, what was that material you used to fur out the studs?

@MrMGharib 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if hydra ban can be used with Shcluter system in the same way?

@bigdaddy7670 8 ай бұрын

Sal, what type of tile is on the shower floor? Name brand and pattern name? Excellent job, beautiful as always!

@davidmlevitt 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Sal, why did you want the Hydro Ban flange 1.5 inches off the subfloor in this installation? In other words, how did you come to this specific height? Does this height have anything to do with the perimeter mud height or is the height of the flange unrelated to the perimeter mud height?

@eunicom Жыл бұрын

What were you using as shims on the 2x4s before installing the foam board? Is that cardboard paper? Hard to tell. Thanks for the great video!

@captaindingle1940 3 жыл бұрын

Sal, thanks very much for all your videos. As a homeowner, I've used Hydro Ban and Barrier and really love it. However, I am doing my first mud shower pan in my house and I feel a little more comfortable using the sheet membrane like you did in this video - just because I don't trust myself with perfectly even coverage of the liquid over the raw mud bed. My question is if I could also apply the liquid just to the edge of the seams of the finished sheet membrane. The only thing I don't like about the sheet membrane is having the thinset (Laticrete 254 platinum) exposed to water where the seams end. I thought it would be good to apply some liquid afterwards just to those edges to make sure water never gets under the membrane. What do you think? Thanks again!

@zimpler8340 2 жыл бұрын

You can if you want to apply a coat or two of the liquid membrane to the entire shower. It’s not needed but you can do it if you feel better. That’s what i do.

@rinotidona4267 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid. Learned lots it's almost like Kirdi Kit ....at the end the Drain not the body but the ring you screwed metal cover into is that suppose to be painted with same material as body .....and I see you set the prefab.inside and curb flashing after .floor membrane was installed or does this matter ?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Ring does not need to be coated, but you can if you want to. Order of the banding makes no difference.

@paulaung955 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Sal. Quick question. How do you seal the drain grate? Does the grout seal all 4 edges or do you apply silicone after?

@j.johnson8360 2 жыл бұрын

Just grout.

@robertmdrew 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Sal, do you always do a mud base or do you ever use the preformed schluter pan? Any reason why you generally do mud?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Usually mud, it is cheaper, you don't need to figure out and order the right size, it doesn't matter where the drain is and what shape the sower is or how big it is. Trays are great if you can drop them right in, but that is rarely the case. Subfloor has to be level, that is rarely the case. So by the time you fix your subfloor, modify your tray to make it fit the shape and match the drain location, I will be done with my mud.

@RandomxCheese 3 жыл бұрын

I have a question? Could I just do hydroban sheets for pan liner and durock for the walls? Obviously I would have to paint the durock preferably with hydrobab membrane. Ive never seen it done but I don't see why one couldn't?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Here is what I think, if you are building a shower you want that shower to never leak and cause rot, mold and mildew, so you never try to save on the one thing that is critical to ensuring that the shower will be water tight. So you could do it the way you want, but be absolutely sure to apply the Hydro Ban, or whatever liquid applied waterproofing membrane you intend to use, to the correct mil thickness, the correct number of coats and follow all manufacturer recommendations. You can not afford to have any holes in the membrane, can't be too thin in any one spot, can't have any globs that will never dry, and the cement board has to be installed to meet the membrane manufacturers tolerances. Sheet membranes and foam boards are much more forgiving.

@scottgraham3794 3 жыл бұрын

Hi sal, why did you put the corners and over lap ban down before the membrane on the floor pan? I would think those shol come last to help with overlapping in the same order as gravity would push water.

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Order makes no difference, has to hold water, not shed it.

@joshuaburnworth4203 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, Sal. I know it may be overly redundant, but would you see any issue with putting two coats of hydroban over the top of the floor membrane before putting tile down just as added security? I know it would be overkill, but I was wondering if it may be worth it? Especially if you end up with some extra hydroban on hand at the end of the job.

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

I would not do that, the sheet membrane is a much better waterproofing layer than any liquid applied.

@joshuaburnworth4203 4 жыл бұрын

@@SalDiBlasi Thank you!

@Urban_Tarzan Жыл бұрын

Hi Sal , best video I've seen so far on this process. Quick question though, all the other videos I've watched shows putting the floor membrane down first and the corners and band over it not under it, does it matter which way you do it?

@SalDiBlasi Жыл бұрын

Does not matter, has to hold water, not shed it.

@Urban_Tarzan Жыл бұрын

@@SalDiBlasi Thank you Sal !

@shettlock 3 жыл бұрын

Watched your laticrete sealant video today and, unless it’s a steam shower, it seems like it’s the way to go for the board seems and screw holes. Hard to believe the sealant is more expensive than hydroban plus banding as well.

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Very easy and quick.

@gotshun Жыл бұрын

Really super nice detailed video Sal. I've been wanting to move forward with the new materials and installs. I just wanted to see what was involved. What I like about his set up is I can use this on concrete floors as well. I live in Florida and all I've been doing is vinyl pans. I install a pre slope before the vinyl. But I also use the goof proof self pitch system. I can't remember the name of the product. But the final pitch is a bit to steep for my liking. I really like the fact that you don't to do this here. And no pre slope because you you make it yourself with the mortar. Thanks for video. Pete.

@SalDiBlasi Жыл бұрын

Here is a link with an updated version, every thing in the old video is still valid, but the sealant makes the install much easier and faster. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZ-FnrOb05fLiYU.html

@brianhyer2326 Жыл бұрын

Just curious, couldn't you run the floor membrane up the 4 sides 2" instead of running a separate joint tape at each floor/wall joint? I was thinking to install the pre made corners then put in the floor with 2" up the wall in one piece. Thoughts?

@SalDiBlasi Жыл бұрын

You can, but the sheet membrane is thicker than the banding, if buildup is a concern, then the banding is a better choice. Done it many times, mostly opposite walls.

@zimpler8340 Жыл бұрын

QUESTION: Did you wait until the thinset under the corners and side bands dry before installing the main membrane on the shower floor? Or how long did you wait? Thank you!

@SalDiBlasi Жыл бұрын

Banding and then membrane right after, no need to wait

@SANTACRUZKITESURFING 3 жыл бұрын

Just a quick question on your technique. Shouldn’t you build the waterproofing membrane up from the floor then the corners in the floor then the curb and seams in the walls? So the water sheds off of each layer like roofing shingles?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Does not have to shed water, it has to hold water, order does not matter, waterproof is waterproof.

@j.johnson8360 2 жыл бұрын

@@SalDiBlasi I would disagree. I always do the floors first then put the walls in.

@ajayrodrigues3773 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Sal. Doesn't the drain frame have to be lower than the floor tile? I am following this method and using the same flange. But even after screwing down the frame all the way, my tile is lower than the drain. Is that the case with you too or is it just not clear in the video because of the white tile?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Drain has to be flush or slightly below the tile for water to drain.

@jmartin015 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed you put your four corners and wall / floor strips in over the mud bed first and then covered them with the floor barrier membrane. It seems like the floor barrier should get thin-set down than the corners and horizontal tape strips put over that no?

@SalDiBlasi 2 жыл бұрын

Makes no difference, has to hold water not shed it.

@naturalbornreeler5133 2 жыл бұрын

Never ever seen someone do walls before the base!!!

@SalDiBlasi 2 жыл бұрын

I would also guess you have never seen the earth set from the moon. Just means there is always more to learn.

@Ben-xo3bj 2 жыл бұрын

With massive shortages of materials and equipment worldwide have you had any issues getting any of these waterproofing materials like laticrete and schluter systems?

@SalDiBlasi 2 жыл бұрын

Personally no, I stocked up when suply was still good. But there were shortsges in my area. I knew it was coming so i took action to avoid being affected.

@tonyboneize Жыл бұрын

Hey Sal, do you like and trust Laticrete showers systems more the Schluter? Personally I seem to trust my Laty jobs ALOT more then Schluter

@SalDiBlasi Жыл бұрын

Both are great systems

@danielfeldman7913 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Sal, why did you choose Hydro Ban vs Schluter for this project?

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

They are both great products, sometimes it is easier to get one over the other.

@robertmdrew 3 жыл бұрын

@@SalDiBlasi Do you have a preference?

@catavisigloxx 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Sal

@j.johnson8360 2 жыл бұрын

I always do the floor first.

@ginagvlogs2386 3 жыл бұрын

sir what was the material strips you use to level out studs?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

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@dustinscroggins3382 4 жыл бұрын

Is the hydroban board more rigid than kerdie? Noone sells laticrete products in my area. Been wanting to try it would have to order it on line

@orlandor2784 4 жыл бұрын

Try contractors direct online they have it

@Dtileandremodeling 4 жыл бұрын

Yes for sure

@never2be07 3 жыл бұрын

what are you using to shim the studs?

@dsshowerpan 3 жыл бұрын

Drywall furring strips. Made outta cardboardish type paper.

@Urban_Tarzan Жыл бұрын

Thanks Sal Awesome video! Is it acceptable to use the hydro ban liquid on the mud instead of the membrane ?

@SalDiBlasi Жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely

@Urban_Tarzan Жыл бұрын

@@SalDiBlasi I can't thank you enough for the wealth of knowledge you provide and the speed at which you answer questions here , it's just above and beyond! Just know that since I started preparing to do my bathroom "Sal DiBlasi" is a household name around here. We were in the tile store today and my wife said jokingly "Can you ask Sal if this floor goes with this wall tile?" LOL thanks again!!

@aaronholmes6910 3 жыл бұрын

Why didn't you just use the hydro ban sealant and adhesive?

@115northcanton3 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Sal, what material you cut this strips to be able flush the studs? I have pretty bad walls that have up to 3/4" difference here or there. thanks in advance

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Use any material that will not crush and you can put a screw through. That would include Ram Board, strips of plywood, vinyl or anything else that will work.

@115northcanton3 3 жыл бұрын

@@SalDiBlasi I like you videos. Have you ever made a video curbless shower on concrete slab?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

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@LoganOrrick 3 жыл бұрын

Are you making the switch to Laticrete from Schluter? I am debating it myself

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

No, I use both

@gustavotirado8933 4 жыл бұрын

Sal DiBlasi, what are those brown strips you stapler on the studs to level the wall? Thanks

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

Strips of Ram Board

@gustavotirado8933 4 жыл бұрын

Sal DiBlasi thanks Sal! Always appreciate your expertise!

@BZ1340 4 жыл бұрын

Did you decide not to plane the stud down. I didn’t see it done. So I assumed you decided not to do it and shim instead, to get the level plane

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

I did plane them down, but forgot to turn the camera on.

@j31355a 3 жыл бұрын

Do the screw holes get treated with tape plus liquid waterproofing or just the liquid waterproofing alone?

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Either way, or just some of the sealant.

@j31355a 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

@pulper11 4 жыл бұрын

Hi sal. You used densshield in your video how to subway tile a shower. You seemed keen on it at that time. Has anything caused you to change your mind on using it anymore?

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

I actually did not use it, the GC put it up, That same GC now uses all schluter products. I never liked the Denshield, but had no choice in the matter.

@pulper11 4 жыл бұрын

Sal DiBlasi thanks sal for the reply. Appreciate it.

@briansnyder9496 4 жыл бұрын

Hey sal, I never see anyone using dens-shield. It seems to be very similar to what you are using in this video. Is there a reason people don’t use dens-shield or shouldnt use it?

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

Dense shield is a gypsum product, nothing like a foam board. I am familiar with it and will not use it in a wet area even though it has a water-resistant coating on the front. As far as I am concerned gypsum has no place in a shower.

@briansnyder9496 4 жыл бұрын

Sal DiBlasi thanks for the info

@pulper11 4 жыл бұрын

Hi sal. You used to be happy with densshield saying you only had to waterproof certain portions such as the corners and the seams. Any reason you’ve changed your mind on this? Reason I ask is that I watched your video about densshield and thought that’s what I would use. Now I’m not so sure.

@ajducey1868 Жыл бұрын

Will that drain work with a cast iron corner drain?

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@MrWaz411 4 жыл бұрын

Sal how come no pan liner ?

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

It is a sealed system

@Quantiples 3 жыл бұрын

I thought the pan membrane would go in first, then the line angle strips, then the corners, then the piece that goes over the curb.

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Order does not matter

@beenjamin1988 2 жыл бұрын

Would you be interested in doing my bathrooms I’m located in northern Rhode island. Everything is gutted plastering starts next Monday

@TheTechGuider 3 жыл бұрын

Their membrane looks real stiff compared to kerdi

@krehbein 4 жыл бұрын

15:41 for extra protection I use a bead of the sealant when installing the sheets and the liquid membrane with the fiber cloth. Also use const glue on studs, takes all of a couple minutes to apply.

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

If you do one you don't need the other, but it can't hurt.

@anatolypetrik393 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video but This system looks very complicated, too many additional steps, I like to use Schluter Kerdi.

@SalDiBlasi 3 жыл бұрын

Just a matter of getting used to it, not difficult at all.

@suspicionofdeceit 4 жыл бұрын

Why can’t you use the liquid waterproof that was on the walls on the pan?

@krehbein 4 жыл бұрын

According to laticrete you can, but guessing sal isn’t comfortable with it.

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

You can, as I explained in the video I was showing different versions of how to do the shower.

@naturalbornreeler5133 2 жыл бұрын

No preslope on the base.. membrane will just hold water never get to the drain...

@SalDiBlasi 2 жыл бұрын

I suggest you look up what a sealed shower system is, no two stage drain, no preslope under the liner, because there is no vinyl liner. This has a bonding flange. Look it up.

@brucerains2650 3 жыл бұрын

Why do I get the feeling that if this were "orange" there would be less steps?.....Maybe just me.

@dannylee5588 4 жыл бұрын

Lot of build up at those inside corners. 6 foot level would show your not plumb.

@SalDiBlasi 4 жыл бұрын

So should I call you Mr Negative.

@brucerains2650 3 жыл бұрын

@@SalDiBlasi I have found that the build up is just extra fall..........not an issue

@ivantorr 2 жыл бұрын

Sal, fist of all, you mumble so much through out this video that I can’t understand much of what you say. With this said, I’m having a rough time learning from you, as I try to keep up with what you’re doing and not so much of what you say. Can you speak louder and articulate your words better. I truly want to learn from you but you make it tough buddy.