35% TCA PEEL AT HOME! BIOREPEEL FULL 7 DAY RESULTS!

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Please note: These are professional peels and not your standard at home 30% (buffered, compound) acids. These are the real deal. And therefore if you decided to do one you are taking the ricks upon yourself.
I made an informed decision and decided to give it a go.
The BIOREPEEL is designed to be a 'no downtime' peel. And it was. I did not flake, or peel or need to spend time indoors while this was happening. I had minor dryness the a few days later. That was it. My skin however did feel like glass. It was SUPER SMOOTH. These peels are supposed to be done in a series of 4-6 with 7-14 days apart. Here are my results after one full peel updating during the 7 day process. I will update this video after I've done 4 complete peels so you can see the progress.
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@astepbeyondhealing9772 2 жыл бұрын

I am so happy that you are doing this process of peels and videoing your experience. I am 52 and contemplating ordering some peels, so this series is perfect for me! Thank you so much. Rebecca from Kentucky ps. I did am at home TCA peel ten years ago. There was much more than tingling, hence, I had my blow dryer with cool setting handy to blast cold air on my face to combat the burning sensation. My face peeled day three through day six. My results were minimal. Skin products and availability have improved since then and I appreciate your sharing of the brands that you are using as you go through this process with us.

@melsuzhen 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful! I'm doing a, similar process for PIH and dullness. So far, I've seen noticeable improvements. (42 year old skin) Best of luck on your peel journey. We ❤️ you!!

@skatiesadiemator5948 2 жыл бұрын

You seem like such a lovely person. So respectful and gentlemanly

@susansheehan9726 2 жыл бұрын

Really looking forward to seeing your results Wayne. Your skin did look great after one. Exciting. ❤️

@anitalassiter7284 2 жыл бұрын

I love these anti-aging skincare videos. I'm extremely old and need all the help you can share. Love you so much Wayne!!!❤

@adanewsondecor.1644 2 жыл бұрын

You need to eat lots of red fruits and cucumbers.

@RedboneGoddesstv 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Goddess my grandmother told us don't nothing get old but wine and that's get better in time😘😘😘😘 live your life like it's golden and enjoy each second of it and dance like never b4

@cheritoms4040 Жыл бұрын

Lol how old is extreme? Just wondering how extreme I am.

@rach1530 Жыл бұрын

😂 😊❤

@quixoticcoyoticcannibalystic 2 жыл бұрын

Whenever commentary channels say: " The beauty community is toxic." All I can think is: "Not Wayne, though." ♡♡♡

@AM09286 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to see this series. I’m so intrigued about peels.

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

After completing 4 already I can say it was interesting. As I was not chasing wrinkles I was impressed at the minor eye area difference (got a before and after in the upcoming video) but mainly my skin was just so clear and soft. Nothing id experience before :)

@screamtoasigh9984 2 жыл бұрын

@@WayneGoss I don't understand. Your skin looked great before. (Now I'm paranoid as we are of a similar age and my skin is much like yours - except my eye creases are like your after your 4x peel vide4 - but that's only because I'm ginger, so it's probably because I behave like a vampire regarding sun exposure). But otherwise, we both have pretty good skin to begin with.

@Clara-wo1hg 2 жыл бұрын

This is exciting Wayne can't wait to see your journey 💝

@Shirleybird65 4 ай бұрын

Skin looks much brighter. I really love your videos. Very informative and useful.

@LifeDIY 2 жыл бұрын

Wayne, this was such a great video! I have only seen one other person use the Biorepeel before and now I'm super interested in it as well. I want something that doesn't require downtime. So I will do some more research on it. I'm glad you mentioned that at the end about pH of peels. I am going to check mine with my pH meter. :) When you rinsed the peel off, your skin reminded me of mine after doing a regular TCA peel. I really thought your skin would end up flaking or peeling in a noticeable way. That's amazing it didn't. I can't wait to see your followup videos!🤗

@giedrebey5444 2 жыл бұрын

I have a very sensitive skin, so i am very intrigued by these videos. Never had peels yet 😳 have a blessed day 🙏🧡

@laviniasnow4494 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this serie. 🙂 You don't have to apologize for your pink ears. It's not like you can control them and frankly I find them actually cute. ☺️

@Lida-ns 2 жыл бұрын

I just can’t wait for the final results! Extremely interesting (and brave!) concept, thank you so much for sharing it with us all! One question though; would it be more effective if we lowered the skin’s PH with a toner prior to using TLC from Drunk Elephant?

@lynnwilliams1480 2 жыл бұрын

I have been researching peels for several weeks and still have not made up my mind on which one is for me. Thanks for doing this video and showing how it works. I also didn’t want any peeling or down time as I’d have to go to work looking totally crazy

@lhmcd5538 2 жыл бұрын

This is fascinating. Thank you for your expertise. Love your work. May you please take care and stay safe. Thank you.

@elizabethcasteneda8740 2 жыл бұрын

I have this peel, their body peel, and the recommended 'prepeel'. I'm ridiculously excited to finally get a chance to use it. I saw it originally on Claudia Glows 5 months ago. It's always good to have another person show how they performed the peel. I hope to get similar results. I plan to do a face/neck/decolletage series, wait four weeks, then do another. During the 'down' time for my face, I'll do my hands and arms. I have just as much damage on my forearm as I do my decolletage. Now I'm anxious to see your final result video! Looks like I've found another quality creator to follow.

@TheBeautybound 2 жыл бұрын

Where do you get it?

@tfk5566 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBeautybound same question.

@s.7948 2 жыл бұрын

@Elizabeth Casteneda where did you purchase this?

@juliebirdgirl9059 Жыл бұрын

@@TheBeautybound where to buy?

@portiaanyetei4962 6 ай бұрын

Where can i buy it please?

@C1nderfire 2 жыл бұрын

I’m excited to see what to 4 peels brings. Very interested in this. But o my after I see your results 😉

@mini-wy7us 2 жыл бұрын

Looks interesting 🤔, can't wait until you finish the full course. If it works probably buy it if they ship to The Netherlands. By the way you have amazing skin even before the peel. 🥰

@ioanac.1211 2 жыл бұрын

What a helpful video! Thank you for sharing your experience and also for the emphasis on control and care (the approval of your dermatologist, no extra steps in your basic skincare routine etc.). This is common sense but some do tend to go a bit overboard thinking it’ll deliver faster, better results; it’s just wonderful to see someone with a platform encouraging a decent behaviour. Also, thank you for the information between at home vs salon, not that I live in the UK, but it helps to compare with prices/percentages I have here. I am interested in a peeling journey myself, even though my skin is a bit compromised at the moment. When the time is right I’ll be very glad to have all this information already. Thank you again and good luck on this peeling experience! Also, happy 2022!

@pamelagreen3252 Жыл бұрын

YOU ARE JUST SO CUTE! THANK YOU FOR THIS. IVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS FOR A WHILE.

@hpham2101 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Wayne. Where did you buy this peel from?

@pratigyat1557 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a particular SPF for the sunscreen that you are using while undergoing this treatment? Thank you, Wayne 🙏

@galemckiddy5120 2 жыл бұрын

You are so sweet! I love your videos and appreciate your honesty. Thanks again!

@georginamccarthy4525 Жыл бұрын

Hi Wayne, when will you be adding your update assuming you completed all 4 treatments that you planned? I'm on my 3rd Bien 35% TCA peel for my hands, I'm loving it but nervous about doing a face treatment. Looking forward to your update

@narindersingh3263 2 жыл бұрын

Wayne thanks for your content love it!! What's the serum and moisturiser that you are applying afterwards, please? You say it's not your regular one? Many thanks

@glamgirlfashion 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Wayne! 💖

@meleahnelson 2 жыл бұрын

thank you so much! excited to see the results after 4

@kp-ue3xn 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the end result. Wondering if this will work on melasma.

@franward540 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome. I’ve been researching doing this but waiting for winter in Australia

@cherpeters8775 2 жыл бұрын

I had the PRX-T33 TCA peel, one per week for 4 consecutive weeks (it contains 33% TCA, Hydrogen Peroxide and Kojic Acid. done in medspa for lots of $$). I had peeling, mostly around my mouth, all four weeks & was pretty happy with the results. 4 weeks is definitely a commitment as I had to stop my tretinoin 1% & Obagi products, but at 71, my skin has never looked better. I continued my LED treatments throughout the peeling process. I'd like to try an at-home version later in the year. Thanks for sharing your experience.

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning this. Its my next round of peels! I heard they are more 'aggressive' (ie - peeling as you mentioned!) than BIOREPEEL! Thank you :)

@cherpeters8775 2 жыл бұрын

@@WayneGoss It was a bit spicey, but not bad at all. Most of the peeling manifested while washing with oil or putting on sunscreen/foundation. Kinda turned it into sludge! Just wondering where you purchase the BioRee Peels. Thanks!

@elenaprude7391 2 жыл бұрын

@@WayneGoss May I ask you where did you get your 5 viles for $150?

@sameeraaltamimi1391 Жыл бұрын

@@cherpeters8775 hey there would like to know where you purchased your peel from I can’t seem to get them online

@cherpeters8775 Жыл бұрын

@@sameeraaltamimi1391 Hi. I didn't do mine at home, I had it done professionally.

@adriannabcustomfurniture 2 жыл бұрын

Oh I'm excited! Thank you for sharing with us!

@thoughts_empty Жыл бұрын

Pro Tipp if you have red skin areas try 100% rose water (it gives also a bit of moisture to the skin), works like a charm and the smell evaporates after a couple of minutes for those who care about not wanting to smell feminine but also use a oil reducing creme after it, I use from Marbert wich is a german brand, it keeps the non redness effect but also it reduces oily areas

@conqueringmountscrapmorewi2509 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation. Thank you for posting.

@boops1192 2 жыл бұрын

I describe the tingle as itching. I’ve found fanning the skin makes it itch so much more! Just letting sit on the skin was far less irritating. It stopped in its own in just a few minutes.

@millig8980 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I had similar horrifying experience with microneedling, so much so it felt more like a torture than treatment. Thankfully I have been on Tretinoin 0.1% for past two years and it has literally changed my life. Talk about magic cream 🤣. Now I strictly stay away from all sort of miracle treatments due to fear of down time etc ( I am a busy mum). Xx from Australia

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

I did micro needling once (at the derm) it left me with a acne like breakout for nearly a week. Its wasn't what I was told as being a 'no downtime' treatment!

@Niahopepyramidstudio Жыл бұрын

Excited to use my peel!s What kind of syringe do you need to get it out of the vial?

@sugskull3386 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love this video and the ideas of the series you are doing, I WILL be following along! I did look up this exact product is not available in the USA, any suggestions to something that might be close?

@kerrytraeger6769 2 жыл бұрын

Platinum skin care has many different peels available.

@BlackCrystalDiamond1 23 күн бұрын

🎉

@marijaerdelji7861 Жыл бұрын

I finally got is. Hopefully it will reach me soon (Bethel is in rural Alaska!). Thank you for discovering new products and demonstrating how they work. I am deeply grateful!

@brittanyb5293 Жыл бұрын

Where did you order it from? It's unavailable unless you're a license professional. Ive had trouble finding it ☹️

@BlackCrystalDiamond1 24 күн бұрын

Please let us know What website we should go?

@lauriehere6408 8 ай бұрын

Oh my goodness I had no idea you had so much content! Do you have a follow up to this video? I was just about to order it, but was hoping to see your follow up.

@collybarn 2 жыл бұрын

Forgive my ignorance, but are you using retin a as part of your regular routine, and if so, are you using it throughout this process? Even if you're not, do you know if it's required to go off retinoids to do these peels? I'd love to try peels but I'm reluctant to take breaks from my retin a. I don't want to go through the ramping up process again! Thank you, Wayne!

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone I've spoken to have said to not use retin-a for one week before and for one week (or two) after the peel.

@dianamarieflores 2 жыл бұрын

What’s the link you ordered the biorepeel ? I love your skin 😍

@liss441 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing how you go ! I actually liked my fraxtel for my pigmentation but agree you look horrible for a few days post !

@CieCie2Bsure 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings Wayne, I’m 61 yrs young & I’ve accumulated multiple various skin & make up techniques by self experimentation for 50 yrs. & I must say, your videos regarding skin care & make up techniques are sincerely better than any females,(regardless of their expertise levels), that I’ve ever witnessed, anywhere. You thoroughly explain everything you do eloquently. 👌

@drowningincats3921 2 жыл бұрын

Could be because he’s actually a professional MUA and most of the females on KZfaq teaching make up are not

@Illawen 2 жыл бұрын

And quickly. No 30-40 minutes videos with a lot of unnecessary chatter. I appreciate a straightforward presentation and explanation so much.

@crystalmontes3466 5 ай бұрын

Where did you purchase them. 😊 please let me know 🙏

@tanyaflynn4908 2 жыл бұрын

Pro tip- please apply a thin layer of Vaseline around your eyes. 🙏 I wanted to do one today but I ran out of gloves. LoVE your videos, Wayne!

@teresadavis8336 6 ай бұрын

Where do you get it?

@Freeazabird 2 жыл бұрын

Did someone say peel? I’m here for it!!! My favorite thing to do, and I’m intrigued by this particular product. However, I’m now wondering after seeing, if it’s not what gave you the reaction? Did you like this Wayne?

@janeburke147 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant,what prep on the day before,acids ?.

@raymondandmelaniebolton3775 4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for doing this - for us!! I´ve wanted to try a TCA peel for a long time, but was a little antsy because my skin can be somewhat sensitive and I didn´t want to hurt myself. I do The Ordinary AHA BHA peel several times per week and I love it, but would like a little more.

@janetfoster3591 2 ай бұрын

Your video is amazing. Thank you for sharing. Can you share where you purchased your products? My skin really wants to know.

@Nening61 Жыл бұрын

Hello Sweetheart, can you tell me where you buy this pls. Thank you soooo much! Your video really inspire me always.

@susans.6595 2 жыл бұрын

I see that some comments say that this peel is not available in USA. Is there something similar with same down time?

@nadeemkhanftii 6 ай бұрын

Is this peel safe for skin of colour ? Your skin is tolerating the peel very well.. thanks for the video

@user_noway 5 күн бұрын

Ur skin is already beautiful

@EstherNathalie190 2 жыл бұрын

This is so nice to see up close,whit the products.Curious ar the follow-up.

@marleneharden544 2 жыл бұрын

I loved the Biorepeel and the moisturizers that I purchased 😇 no down time and I Micro needled it a couple of times at home...Fantastic TCA Peel thank you for sharing this wonderful peel..I just placed other order again 🙋‍♀️

@krivoyosi 2 жыл бұрын

Where do you buy these? Thanx

@EE-hn8cg Жыл бұрын

Where can the peels be purchased??

@jashankaur6513 5 ай бұрын

How you buy biorepeel? Please share the link . I am in canada , want to buy

@dancerdocable 3 ай бұрын

SAME!!! Someone please tell us!!

@tortimeese 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, your luminosity really shot up there after you applied the green gunk. :)

@MrShahnaz191 2 жыл бұрын

Would you suggest same strength for asian/light brown skin?

@wonderwonder30 2 жыл бұрын

Wayne, don’t apologize for your red ears, that’s what I love about you lol. My ears get really red too, especially, if I have has a couple cocktails. My grandfather said it was the German coming out to say hello, don’t know if that is true but it makes me think of him. This video was great and I am on my way to purchase this peel.

@julier6192 2 жыл бұрын

Wayne, You have literally changed my life!!! My existence is incredibly stressful. I am often terribly depressed. I guess from what my husband and friends say, I must have been pretty in the past. I don't remember that time. I fear that I will sound shallow, but I had lost myself caring for my terminally ill daughter. I had become numb and oblivious to all these online tutorials for the fresh faced 20 somethings that have no need for makeup. Following your tutorials I have been excited to play with makeup again. Your the first person to speak to me at 53. Thank you so much for representing the mature womans beauty, and helping me to raise my chin and be seen again. Much love and appreciation, Angie from St. Louis 💕😊

@susans.6595 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Can you share the link for where to purchase this specific peel? I can't seem to find it when I search. Thanks so much!

@moonchild650 5 ай бұрын

Calendula ointment by Weleda is great to put on your skin after a peel (around the eyes too).

@sinodessa 2 жыл бұрын

What are the ingredients of the peel? I am assuming the other ingredients are cutting the 35% TCA down to a lower amount since you have 0 peeling. What kind of prep did you do for the week before?

@melvincarbonel964 Жыл бұрын

Hi! Do you have the link where can I buy that product?

@bobbibuttons8730 Жыл бұрын

I’ve just done my first peel. Like you I felt tingling around my eyes but this soon faded. I asked my husband how he thought my forehead felt and he thought it felt utterly smooth (his words) I really hope that this works for a really rough patch I have on my cheek. Nothing I try gets rid of it.

@claudiainzunzacruz3692 11 ай бұрын

Did you do this specific peel? And if so, where did u buy it from?

@heatherdavis8037 2 жыл бұрын

Love all your advice and techniques. I really need to buy this and would like to get a consultation with you.. But, I don't want Whats app. Is there another way I can contact you? And, how do you feel about the product from Biologique Recherche P50 1970? Good? Bad?

@hayleyfarrell6437 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Wayne. How do I buy these as an everyday consumer without a license?

@juanmagana7001 2 жыл бұрын

How many days after the treatment can we reintroduce retinols?

@grnddesign 2 жыл бұрын

Could you tell us where you purchased this peel?

@unstoppabledoris 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing, I was also looking to doing it at home.

@KL-cn8ct 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Wayne Where's the place you purchased the vials from I wanted to make sure I order from a genuine company x

@debbieking911 Жыл бұрын

Why is it okay to apply directly under the eyes? I thought the skin is too thin? Thank you in advance.

@TheElfin24 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Wayne where did you purchase this from please :) xoJoanxo

@dmissme.9683 Жыл бұрын

I can’t find what site to buy this at home peel…

@jamiehammond3908 2 жыл бұрын

Did you just introduce me to the best thing ever....TCA with no down time🤯🤯🤯

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

I'll be completely honest. While I was pleased - there is not doubt that the standard OLD TCA peels (with downtime) produce better results. I did this because I didn't want the downtime and am willing to accept it won't be the same as TCA with peeling

@jamiehammond3908 2 жыл бұрын

@@WayneGoss nothing like shedding that skin I suppose

@Meldem512 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video❤️.

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

@imamruta 2 жыл бұрын

Dear Wayne, I go for office peel for my breakouts (the big and deep ones), its so expensive, I sometimes skip a month, would you say this is going to help with a breakout? Thank you.

@lyndagibbs6456 Жыл бұрын

do you use a prep ? how about a gentle scrub before or would you use a lactic peel ?

@Clara-wo1hg 2 жыл бұрын

Wondering if you can use this if you have dark spots or moles?

@amandahall4992 2 жыл бұрын

Do you need to stop the Dermatica treatment before this type of peel?

@susanmiller2774 2 жыл бұрын

Wayne, I’m very leery of you going SOOOO close on the lower lash line ---under eye Skin is so delicate. Hope it turns out ok.

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

All completely and looks divine ;)

@allisont1075 2 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely too close to your eyes. Please do not do that. It is dangerous to demonstrate putting TCA that close to the eyes. It can cause serious damage.

@aggiesingh5379 2 жыл бұрын

this procedure should not be shown on KZfaq!

@isisbathory Жыл бұрын

Wayne did you ever do a follow up video on this? I couldn't find it😵‍💫

@annaconda78 2 жыл бұрын

I wanna do this but also as you wanna order online, would be so lovely if you could link we’re you bought it , so we know what safe place to buy from and as you said it’s to expensive and I can’t afford it , I so wanna do this right now oh please let us know ? I’ve been ea ting this for long time but is to expensive in clinic and here in Sweden it’s even more expensive then uk and us

@almostthere2516 2 жыл бұрын

This is certainly interesting! Most of all because of minimal discomfort and little, or no, downtime. I suffer from a chronic pain syndrome and any pain whatsoever will make me much worse for months, so if there’s a peel that actually works and is more kind to me than ordinary peels, I’m in! January and February and part of March is hell for most faces living up north. The air is super dry, it’s ice cold, we’ve not seen the sun for months and are less outside, so I tend to flake all over and have to use so much skincare to get rid of dead skin cells and give some moisture. A peel would be perfect and a great way to get better skin.

@timaaboudaoud5118 2 жыл бұрын

Love all ur videos

@optistudent 2 жыл бұрын

Where can I buy this product? I live in the US, and I would like to do it at home, too.

@bellsca1917 Жыл бұрын

I wish you could post the link where you got this for such a great price?!!!

@jillf24 2 жыл бұрын

Fabulous- I have been getting ready for a wedding-not mine- and I am 50+, getting peels since September 2021-wedding in June 2022, the ONE thing that has made the biggest difference in my appearance is NOT the peels- it was the cryotherapy of burning off all the age spots- 82 on my face! I did it in 1 sitting- do not recommend that- I would split it up!!! Peels do not seem to make a difference!!!

@screamtoasigh9984 2 жыл бұрын

You said you had lot of tingling, how sensitive is your skin? (Have you been to the Dead Sea and if so did you have burning or tingling there, and was it like that?)

@loullabetulla Жыл бұрын

Can you please tell me how you store the bottle after you pierce it? Can you use a needle without a medical point?

@antejames8188 Жыл бұрын

Wow interesting so how can i get it please help me out

@becasilva9082 2 жыл бұрын

Wayne, could you please bring a tutorial on how to make a smokey using only black eye pencil? I think it would be a great smokey option for us women who don't We don't really know what to do in the smokey when you're going to do eye makeup, guys if it's not too much to ask please like this comment so he can bring this type of video to the channel ❤️❤️❤️

@frankendoll1455 2 жыл бұрын

???? What are you asking???

@gingerandnemo 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Wayne! I would love to try this peel, but I don't see where to buy it in the US, is it possible?

@shiningstar4809 2 жыл бұрын

Where is it possible to buy these products? (Im italian and I trust only Wayne

@ChillingWithMel22 2 жыл бұрын

Can you post a link to the product for us in the United States please Thank you!!!!

@sherrycleckler3480 Жыл бұрын

Did you get this info?

@margaretnesbeth593 Жыл бұрын

Hello Wayne, are those peels any good for smokers lines?

@mattrobins3721 Жыл бұрын

What’s the difference using this TCA peel vs going to Derm TCA PEEL doc - for pre cancer spots?

@crackasscrackle 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the complete update

@WayneGoss 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much :)

@melissacoulter3996 2 жыл бұрын

I am so curious about this!

@ClaUDiishmoO 5 ай бұрын

Hi where did you get the training to do this at home and where did you buy it to ensure you were actually buying the right product? Thank you

@heathergustafson4237 2 жыл бұрын

I’m in! I’m way older than you so make sure I get all the info!

@rozcindylove4583 9 ай бұрын

how long did you leave it on? and why do you need to do a series of 4?