If you look past the problems we have no problems -josh 2024

Sorry, best I can do is semi-limit Original Sinful Spoils.

Konami limited airlifter 2 months into rescue ace being in a three way tie for best deck yet here we are 4+ months and ash is still unlimited

So if we pretend FIRE doesnt exist its a great format, got it

I agree the current format would be pretty cool if Snake Eye was at a lower power level. Most people stopped playing it at my locals and we’ve been having a blast playing everything else the format has to offer.

Oak to 2 and call it a day

I think it’s funny Josh wants to keep it realistic and then advocates OSS getting banned. They are never doing that, ash will get banned before that

We need to semi sp just like the ocg. The 3rd sp is the problem

Cant wait for gimmick puppet otks and tenpai support

Circular to 3 let's gooooo

2:17 Kinda similar at my LGS, the only players who play snake-eyes are the ones who do it to practice for an upcoming tournament

to me i like fenrir, because any deck that needs a discard can serch feneir. meaning that i get extender/ disruption + one discard for cards like cinet mining, droplet, super polly.

The solution to snake eye has always been simle. Ban Poplar. Poplar has like 3 effects that could make it viable competitively even one by one. All 3 on one card is just too many. White Albion isn't necessarily a problem card I think. At least not for the puppet lock. The card that actually performs the lock would be the obvious hit. The only reason I see for hitting White Albion is the FTK. (Summon Beelze to the opponent's side, and something that can do burn damage to ours. Let's say, We have Black Winged Assault Dragon on our side. We summon White Albion to give Beelze to our opponent, and bring back a Nothung for ourselves. Nothung will burn the opponent for 800 ppoints, than the chain starts, with Beelze reacting to burn damage by getting stronger, and BWAD reacting to Beelze by dealing more burn damage.) OCG hit tenpai. Tenpai beat me in locals last time, in round 1. I'm all for hitting it. The reason why people feel Fenrir is broken, is because it's free. It's a free summon for a level 7, which is generally great as material for a lot of xyz/synchro plays, And also has great effects in itself. There's a reason why it's at 1 in Master Duel. I mean I have 2 copies in MD myself, but I wouldn't even mind if it got banned. Sadly due to it's attribute, some of my best decks can't really make use of it. Maybe my Traptrixes could, as those are all earth attribute too, but those rely mostly on the number of cards, and being level 4, rather than going for higher levels. Now for the floodgates: down with them. ANY card that can restrict play as much as the floodgates you listed here on their own don't deserve to be playeable. Shifter? Yuck... burn it. Skill Drain? should have been burnt to a crisp years ago. down with it as well. TCBOO? into the shredder. Rivalry of Warlords is in an odd situation in my head. As it doesn't even hit many decks that run pure, without throwing random staples in. But still, most of the decks I play would like at least 2-2 typings on the field. Let's say Plant/Insect; or Winged-beast/Dragon; or Spellcaster/Dragon... yeah, that last one actually applies to 3 of my 5 most used decks... Heck, fiend/dragon would be a good pairing too. Dragons just go very well with everything. Anti spell fragrance, I couldn't really care about any less. I don't think that's a problem card. Heck, if they want to keep floodgates, keep the ones that can be turned against their user. Like Secret Villiage of the Spellcasters. I don't think Apollousa is a floodgate though. by definition. It has a similar effect, but it doesn't straight up sais you can't activate stuff, it just sais that your opponent has x attempts to say no. Don't get me wrong, verypowerful card, and a pain in the a$$ to deal with, but that's all it is. Not technically a floodgate. You can activate stuff, it just might not resolve. With floodgates, you can't activate them either. This doesn't stop benefficial costs. Floodgates do. That's why it's called a negate, and not a floodgate. Like Baronne, or Borreload Savage were. And really, those 2 getting hit right after the sales from 25th anniversary rarity collection 1 were about done, where BOTH were rerun is a straight up dick move from Konami. Considering that I:P, Apollousa, and Accesscode are in the 25th anniversary rarity collection 2, I can sadly imagine another banwave arriving for Apollousa, or maybe even I:P once that pack's sales are about done... The 1 "floodgate" you included here that I don't like seeing on this list of yours is King Calamity. I heard that there's something called Centurion that can easily bring it out, and hence it became more broken than it was, but considering that it got pre-banned in MD before centurions arrived, not much after the Red Dragon Archfiend support was removed from the available packs, I find this to be a scummy move. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who built a Red Dragon Archfiend deck that's based on that very card being an option. With 12 starters to get the materials on the field for it; and 9 cards that could get me the ability to synchro on my opponent's turn. As 1 card combos. So 1-1 card of both category = calamity lock. Without Calamity, Red Dragon Archfiend is kind of a dead archetype, with the only 2 cards that might see play from it being Red Supernova Dragon in Synchron decks, and Hot Red Dragon Archfiend Abyss in Blackwings. (Don't ask. It's basically a free extension, and results in having an omni negate. Just fits there really well. Alternatively, I could have used Baronne there too, if I find another blackwing tuner that's level 2, and is a free summon except Vata. Sharnga I guess could work for that. Unless I'm locked into dark monsters, because that'd mean no Baronne. I'll have to check that.)

Circular to 5, Fountain to -3

The other thing to consider is that while OSS is a 1 of in current builds, it is essentially just one for one, so when if they hit the consistency cards, you could absolutely play more than 1 OSS to make up for it Yes the fiendsmith stuff is better but if you for some reason WANTED to play Snake-Eyes pure, you could

Josh has changed his stance on Snake-Eye. I feel like a lot of players do that. "I dont enjoy the deck, it doesn't create a healthy environment" The evidence is in his videos somewhere, but he definitely praised it as a fun deck to play just a few months ago. As per usual, yugioh players get sick of the best deck being the best deck. This is why the banlist exists, right? It's also why powercreep exists. People want something different to play. We all find a deck(or a few) that we like to go back to to play because it's fun, but most modern players wanna play new stuff. Novelty is fun. You also have to blame the players to an extent. Everyone gravitates towards a deck that wins, because people like to win. That's why the decks get expensive. Good cards are scarce and cost more. There's a premium to owning the cards for the best deck. So people are simultaneously priced out/in deep. It's also frustrating to spend 800$ on a deck, then watch those prices tank. its the give and take. I really liked snake-eyes before it got it's big support wave in prom princess and popular and before everyone started abusing the zealantis line. It's annoying to see a deck I liked, become a powerhouse and everyone hates on it. Like with a lot of people, Josh went from "This is a cool, powerful, uniquely interactive deck" to his current take. It'll happen again, too. With the next Top deck. Give it 6 months.

“Snake-eyes Flamberge Dragon” and “gimmick puppet nightmare” are the two main cards to be forbidden for the tcg.

The problem with kashtira fenriha is decks use it as a crutch to win games that they shouldn't win

How do you feel about spell canceler?

No mention of D Barrier :/

Flamberge has to be banned

No Appo. No Oss. No Sanc. Just ban all the cards that lock all at once. They need to go. And they need to hit snake eyes field spell ban it.

Ban flamberge not OSS

Knowing Konami they'll say yhey "fixed" the format by banning all the other decks besides snake eyes

The correct ban is oak since it cuts off extension while keeping the main promethian line, banning original means cutting off extension for other decks like infernoid and infernoble and rescue

Josh's hate boner for circular is so hilarious😂

I appreciate you having a more open and less deck crushing perspective on bans and hits. People see problems with a deck and instantly want to destroy the entire strategy rather than a rebalance.

its so sad that snake eyes is so dominant i just want to loop infernoid decatron 5 times with them ._.

It's so cool that Konami allows Josh to make banlists now

Runick Destruction and Fountain 1 to 3

Ive been sitting on this idea, and its a pipedream wish list but give them the Tear treatment like : Flameberge to 1 Ash to 1 Poplar to 1 OSS to 1 Oak to 2 Then if Snake Fire King comes back and is a problem, adjust as needed

If they hit oss rescue ace is dead aswell and i like that deck :( they should only hit snakeeye cards

FREE SPYRAL MASTER PLAN

Promethean princess -> no i like that other decks can use it Oss -> ban it, I dont want other decks to use it

Josh I’m honestly surprised of your banlist predictions. Usually they’re good

What about super poly? I know it isn't in a lot of decks but it's a strong card

I understand how many issues Sanctifire causes but as someone who uses it ethically, I will miss it if it goes. I wish the card could only target cards with "Fallen of Albaz" in the text or something. 😢

Y'know what would save the format? Circular to 3 Ash is basically circular kinda anyway

we still have one for one

I would not ban original for the same reason of Promethean, other decks can play the wanted engine (like Infernoid) and it’s fine inside them, while banning Poplar (or Flamberge to be more strict) would make Snake Eye no longer T0, but like T2-3, i can’t really see other hits since Ash is an OTS 25 ultimate rare and Konami doesn’t hit those cards (Like Reinoheart for Tear)

I think IP is a big problem because of the way it unbalances SP, which should be a decent card in an endboard and a better card going second, and makes it an auto-include in every endboard that can make it. The fact that it gives link decks the generic ability to summon on opponent's turn, something that other extra deck archetypes don't have generically, is part of what makes link strategies so overwhelming. Given that the direction of things going forward with Fiendsmith and Melodious seems to be leaning toward decks that spam link material for these generic link staples like IP, I think it's absolutely warranted to ban IP in order to help the in-archetype link cards shine a bit more.

Nah, i wanna fw Infernoid so OSS stays You can ban Flamberge though if you want

on the topic on why plants aren't here, I agree with you when you said that they only did so well because the players who played them were good however I say that konami has banned cards that have homogenized a type of deck building, electrumite with pendulums, isolde with warriors, halq with tuners, etc. and well frankly aromaseraphy jasmine does this for plants, personally I don't think they need to hit plants but it is consistent with what konami has done in the past

If Sanctifire had to grab a monster specifically from the owners graveyards respectively it would be far less bullshit

We were so close same time last year, too, until Konami released another two powercreep sets in a row.

Ban poplar. That card does everything, it is the kitkallos of deck.

Habe mir gerade wieder dass tv total Video angeschaut ist einfach schon 8 Jahre her 😅😮 damals warst sehr gut und heutzutage bist einfach einer der besten 🎉

i just don’t believe in banning OSS. Diabellstar engine is not the problematic part of the engine, it’s also not snake eye ash or oak or even poplar. it’s flamberge. Ban flamberge.

Every time I see Zealantis it commits four war crimes, punches me in the face and summons a Promethean Princess and honestly I'm the most mad about the Princess

Btw what the fuck is the diabell engine suppossed to do without oss? Just be a level 7 body that gets you nothing?

the melee shine used to censor threw me for a loop ngl had to make sure i was still watching a ygo vid

Sad fact is we’re in for an arguably worse format with yubel and fiendsmith on the horizon

We must make josh sign Raye so he can give it away

Nice dann kann ich ein paar Schönheiten die ich in Japan gezogen habe direkt graden lassen. Perfekt danke Joschua werde mir die Seite mal anschauen. Die Tenpai zahlen haben mich krass positiv überrascht, hätte nicht gedacht das es so eine Welle schlagen wird. Mir fehlen leider noch 3 Baidora und Genroku der neue habe ich hier in Japan auch noch nicht gezogen.

Fun format tbh

Tbh I can see the limit to ash an oak ban is something Konami would do

Josh: hates consistency hits. Also josh: wants to ban oss

I think one of the best things about yugioh is the game right under the meta. Like, a lot of sub-meta decks are decently competent and can give you fun and interesting matches at various skill levels. I wish there were some official "non meta" format where we could see what people brew.

I dont know what combination of alchemy resulted in a world where I genuinely enjoy the master duel format more than TCG, but here we are. Fire King is fun!

Hitting Apollousa is the most stupid idea, let me put this out there, the card in a high risk, high reward card. Yeah the card is very strong but there are so many ways to stop your opponent before they even get to that stage in their combo unless it’s snake eye.

Josh you need to test Ice Barrier Runick asap

But how does these changes make Konami more money? You forgot the part about why they really put things on the banlist.

I think poplar should go to 1 so he becomes a sub optimal starter when you draw him, because you cant just search your second copy. Also I think IP should go, because Im sick of seeing her in any deck ever, and in terms of snake eye its just another way to get flamberg into the gy during the opponents turn. Besides these two hits Id also make Wanted limited and maybe flamberg limited. That would propably make snake eyes a whole lot more fair without killing it and its strategy completely

2 things. 1. Bonfire is a RoTA for Pyro. RoTA is limited so limit Bonfire or release RoTA. 2. Princess is the unhealthiest card in the format. Its an Ash protection with Hieta, an end board piece, an extender and OtK enabler for 3 ED slots (Raging, Phoenix and Zealantis). This is just stupid. Ban Princess, limit Poplar, limit Bonfire and SE is a deck that more often than not dies to a single interruption. FK would also lose a decent chunk of its power but with Ulcanix it is still very much playable. Also Salad would still be viable as they have Code of Soul and Raging Phoenix, Pyro Phoenix combo (also Will of the Salads). The reasoning behind Polar limit is that the deck now has just a 12.5% chance to brick hard and Princess ban makes Ash a good card against this deck.

banning apollousa kills the yubel end board

Honestly huge character growth from Josh saying that plants don’t need to be hit.

Ban oss would bring down a lot the power of decks like fire king, rescue ace, TG, any type of deck with a lvl 1 starter wants this card, also, having to choose a snake eye card to hit, I would ban poplar and limit wanted and ash, flamberge is only good if it’s on the field, having on hand it’s a big brick, so now, snake eye decks have to find a way to bring ash to the field without touching the normal summon, as now the card can’t start combos without poplar (probably people will start running birch but it doesn’t have the search capability of poplar)

Limit Poplar + Flamberge, then ban Oak. That doesn't kill the deck but it's still strong without touching WANTED ($$ reprint in future) or SnAsh (gets Ulti). I believe this list won't eradicate Snakes anyway, it feels like they have 1 more list for the Tear treatment (where it's simply Poplar/Flam getting banned). But I would be happy if I'm wrong and Flam is just banned since I got bored of playing Snakes in March.

Just ban every single level 1 fire monster ;)

Free Ultimate offering :) would love to see that card see some play again. And no "Ultimeat offering" isn't an option

We need an Albaz + Fire monster for Branded, because Albaz in the lore already has powers from the Springans (all fire) why not make a fire Albaz fusion

What about Zealantis?

Calling it now, please comment below if i get it right when the list drops: Skill drain -untouched Anti spell - banned Gimmick puppet - banned Branded fusion - semi Bow of the goddess - untouched I:p - untouched Flamberge - banned Snake eyes ash - limited Dimension shifter - semi

But why only rivalry ban

Limit: Diabellstar Wanted Ash Tenpai field spell Semi limit: Bonfire Or bann princess And see how it plays

Thanks god format in my locals have like 8 different decks

the only thing holding back this format plus the next up-coming one is snake eyes and turn lock ftks (puppet) yubel is in my eyes the perfect example of a tier 1 deck it has alot feels overwhelming but in reality its not at all hell the yubel mirrors are gonna be insane to watch due to the amount of interraction.

I’ll never understand how players willing to drop two plus stacks to play interrupt 6 format in another country, can have such eternal hatred for pop me or chill decks.

They still need to limit samgan summoning

i:p appo gotta go and flamberge too tbh and to think theyll hit tenpai/sangen cards is CRAZY lol.. they arent hitting that deck yet

plants are like branded just different. play any spell trap ever and plants are no longer a problem. lab basicaly can't lose to plant, it's just that thats the only non monster combo deck ever

Banning OSS does nothing. There’s a bunch of 1 card snake eye combo replacements like ostinato and fiendsmith

other than gimmick puppet, im looking forward to a post banlist info release, even tho fiendsmith is strong if they just ban beatrice and nerf snake eye, format would be pretty fun (maybe also remove shifter from ritual beasts)

doesn‘t flamberge limit already do a lot?

I love Branded, and I play it, but i absolutely refuse to puppet lock or ido lock or whatever because i hate floodgates straight up, its unfun, non-interactive, and uninteresting.

Sometimes I ask myself that Konami new banlist policy got heavenly influenced by Josh. That results if he never started streaming we do have a different banlist by now

Hot take: Snake-Eye 1 card combos aren't a problem it's the lack of engine requirement which allows them to play so much non-engine that is the problem this becomes even more apparent when comparing the deck to a similar one like Rescue-ACE.

Tbh I find talking about cards that could come off the ban list more interesting in a way. Every new banlist people complain about the same cards that should be banned, we wait, it doesn't happen, then repeat in 2-3 months. It would be refreshing to talk about something people don't talk about.

I don't know. I'm very strong on I:P in getting a ban. Sure the card is great for what it can do, but I'm also annoyed at the fact that it's always one of the Link monsters that can essentially turn into "anything" that you can least expect and more Link monsters are to be made and something like I:P will usually come up, if it's able to go into those monsters. I do agree though, cards like Flamberge are what make I:P abusable, but it's bound to be a card that'll have to go.

Please let me keep my Skill Drain it’s the only thing keeping my Charmers on life support

If they hit OSS they need to give me back air lifter :(

Tbh if you can thank snake eyes for anything it that it got so many toxic cards in the format banned cause Konami didn’t wanna hit them

Going into info format without banning beatrice will be very toxic i believe

Just conveniently forgetting Melodious after playing and topping with it lmao

Until reprinted and new pack to sell you will no see any banlist

The issue you causing with this is, that some cards will increase in price too much.. and that ruins the game more than banning limiting or banning skill drain and cards like that. More tier 2 to 1 cheap decks are needed that could compete with the top. There's no game love if we all just copy paste the same deck....

Woh ban Original Josh is going for the throat 😂

Sadly i think that only original is banned we'll still have a toxic format. Flamerge NEEDS to go or almost nothing changes...

No matter what, we're gonna get FS in the TCG, and it's gonna be an engine in a lot of decks. Those cards will make up for any cards lost and make decks go zoom. Personally I think we should limit ash, wanted, bonfire and OSS. These hit consistency and make the deck still play, they won't be as strong of a deck. Ban Albion, crimson dragon and fenrir

Ash won’t get hit since they just made it an Ulti