We bought the worst Apple product

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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Introduction
0:33 This is the computer
1:47 Booting it up for the first time
2:42 Why it's so bad
4:20 Thanks Grammarly!
4:52 Has this been refurbished?
6:06 Other funny listings
6:57 The alternative to the iMac
7:44 Conclusion

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@arnandegans 2 жыл бұрын

Just throw in a SSD for some extra speed. But yes, $800-900 for a 4 year old 2nd-hand computer is dumb... Still, if that's what you want, just replace the drive and max out the memory.

@soyanchd5439 2 жыл бұрын

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@MisterBloodBunny 2 жыл бұрын

I'd say it's still a nice deal, since you got a stand for free.

@BramBiegstraaten 2 жыл бұрын

If you see it from the stands point of view it got a free computer, mouse and keyboard attached to him.

@varszegimarcell 2 жыл бұрын

You’ve got a computer for a price of a stand xD

@krishnamanchundiya 2 жыл бұрын

Omg😂😂😂😂

@blackhatson13 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Will definitely pick this any day over the $999 stand, such a bargain!

@krishnamanchundiya 2 жыл бұрын

@@blackhatson13 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@radiobrojo 2 жыл бұрын

Tip: Look for these offline. Many university comms/ed departments and creative firms that bought these for interns have been so angry with their performance that they recycle or fire sale them on the regular ( free to well under $500). Just buy an external SSD like a Samsung T5 and boot macOS off it, and it runs just fine.

@ghomerhust 2 жыл бұрын

for only a few dollars more, get the screen glue kit and a wheel tool to pop the screen out, and install the ssd directly inside. just load it with the OS before hand, and install it. a good time to toss in a little extra ram too

@nicl83 2 жыл бұрын

@@ghomerhust on these modern Macs you don’t even have to load the OS before you install the SSD, just hold R/command-R on boot and it’ll download it from the internet for you

@kfj6709 2 жыл бұрын

Even in academia there are dumb sheep who buy products without knowing the specs? What's the IT dept or procurement and purchasing dept doing?

@thejpkotor 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of times big IT places will net boot or use them as thin clients; in these cases the onboard drive and speed don’t matter at all.

@Validole 2 жыл бұрын

@@kfj6709 IT and tech are using windows or linux, and don't know for sure how the specs match up to usability on MacOS, outside synthetic payloads. If the input to them is "we need macs, doesn't matter which, as many and as cheap as possible", then they get macs, as many and cheap as possible. GIGO.

@DistrosProjects 2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: the hard drives in these iMacs are slower than the drives that were shipped in 2003-2012. There's absolutely no reason why they can't ship a 7200 rpm drive in them.

@vamwolf 2 жыл бұрын

Sata 1 port .like PS3 and 4 .

@robertt9342 2 жыл бұрын

@@vamwolf . Those consoles have Sata 2.

@wellzi2546 2 жыл бұрын

I think those macs used a 3.5" drive, not a 2.5". The entire chassis of an iMac changed in 2012. I still agree with your sentiment though.

@DistrosProjects 2 жыл бұрын

@@wellzi2546 7200RPM drives exist in 2.5 inch sizes, although they are likely slightly slower and more expensive.

@arjunyg4655 2 жыл бұрын

Throwback to when you could get 10k or 15k RPM SAS drives in Macs. Kinda want to buy one now just for the experience. Never could afford them when they were relevant lol.

@gorfmaster1 2 жыл бұрын

"Apple doesn't believe in depreciation" no truer words have been spoken. Even their old iPads that don't get updates are still absurdly expensive.

@dangelo2728 2 жыл бұрын

That’s certainly been true with the iPad Mini for a long time, but with the new refresh, they seem like they’re gonna refresh it on a regular basis at this point. Even the base level iPad is refreshed annually.

@KeiAngelus 2 жыл бұрын

They believe in depreciation if you do a trade in with them!

@chrishbeatboxing2291 2 жыл бұрын

Yet on the software side they deprecate everything (I’m talking about OpenGL)

@_sparrowhawk 2 жыл бұрын

If by old iPads you mean, older than 5 years... If you were going to rip Apple for anything this is not it. Apple hardware gets software support for years and years and years.

@larrythehedgehog 2 жыл бұрын

@@_sparrowhawk hey genius. They’re talking about how apple devices don’t lose value over time. Not how apple products get support for a long time. Two different concepts.

@DavidMalcolm 2 жыл бұрын

I"m so glad that Apple has taken hard drives completely out of their line up. Way too many well-meaning customers bought the entry-level iMac and ended up very frustrated with how slow the drive makes the computer. I honestly wish they would have just had 128 gig SSDs and then allowed people to get external HDDs it would have been much easier on everyone.

@DistrosProjects 2 жыл бұрын

Even the Fusion drives are way faster in my experience. I used them for several months at my school with sub-30 second boot times and reasonable speed.

@MementoMori-xx5qo 2 жыл бұрын

The amount of money I've made upgrading peoples iMacs to SSDs. Thank you Apple lol.

@the_wiki9408 2 жыл бұрын

Would be nice if we could add a HDD as a second drive, though, especially in the iMac and Mini. SSD is great and all, but I'd rather not spend $800 for a 2TB SSD to store my photos and videos on, when a HDD will do just fine. Internal HDD beats external storage.

@rmendez011 2 жыл бұрын

@@DistrosProjects Thats because a "fusion drive" is 2 separate drives, the NVMe for boot, and the HDD for applications. According to Wikipedia, the 2017 iMac with the 1TB Fusion drive comes with a 32GB NVMe SSD, 2TB and 3TB fusion drives come with a 128GB NVMe SSD. Search Google for "fusion drive" and click on the Wikipedia link, it shows what years came with what space.

@mgzukows 2 жыл бұрын

@@the_wiki9408 Are you buying the SSD from apple? Where the hell would a 2TB SSD cost $800 at current pricing. Maybe in 2015. I guess you can be thinking with install cost to switch it out. But even that would not be $800

@Crasher_7 2 жыл бұрын

“You might think that this 890 dollars iMac is a great deal, but I don’t think it is. Which is why bought it” Lol

@halvardlund4782 2 жыл бұрын

Best reasoning ever.

@alphaquasar3089 2 жыл бұрын

Came down here for this lol

@TR-qf2gt 2 жыл бұрын

They bought it so we dont have to hahaha salute to the dedication

@user-cs6hx2fu9j 2 жыл бұрын

@@TR-qf2gt no shit sherlok :/

@TurntableTV 2 жыл бұрын

I’m both a PC and Apple user and I have to say that this channel is one of the best. I love that they also address (pun intended) the bad/cons in Apple products. Happy subscriber here.

@biotechben 2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree, too many Apple/Mac channels treat the product as worth it weight in myrrh, and that if you disagree that you just need to bask in your wrongness. Love that Jonathan is objective and able to provide that viewpoint and be an apple user without being fanatic. I personally dislike apple products, mostly because of how apple treats their customers or can belittle people who disagree, but Jonathan sometimes makes me go "you have a point there, that thing is actually a good thing"

@_sparrowhawk 2 жыл бұрын

@@biotechben "I personally dislike apple products, mostly because of how apple treats their customers or can belittle people who disagree" What the hell is this sentence? You dislike the prices? The design? The leadership team? The lack of games? (Of course it's the lack of games) What the ever loving fuck is this reason you gave?

@nijigaharaTV 2 жыл бұрын

@@_sparrowhawk You are literally the people he's complaining about. The worst kind of people: Company Fanboys

@InsightCheck 2 жыл бұрын

I worked at the Genius Bar for over 5 years and these things were the bane of my existence. I felt so bad for anyone that bought it. It was genuinely offensive that they sold these things into 2020. Anyway, the reason there are so many iMac Pro and these iMacs on the refurbished store is that when all the stores closed due to the pandemic, the vast majority of the staff converted to work from home and were given these. Initially my we got 27 inch iMacs, but then they ran out. So they started giving iMac Pro. Then they finally had to give these once they ran out of all the others. It’s also why they’re in good shape all things considered. They were used by one Apple employee for a few months.

@tgvinfinite2607 8 ай бұрын

they gave you imac pros? that's crazy

@Some-guy-on-the-internet 2 жыл бұрын

It's clear to me that modern versions of macOS aren't designed to run on HDDs. I sold a 2012 Mac mini a while back and added an SSD to it because Catalina took over 6 minutes to boot and several more to "warm up" after logging in on the old 5400rpm HDD it came with. Booting off the SSD took only about 5-10 seconds. It's no wonder why not a single modern Mac has HDDs as an option. macOS is literally unusable on anything but an SSD.

@OtterBoiMilo 2 жыл бұрын

How did you get the ssd going? I have a 21.5 2014 model, but with an ssd replacement, it's extremely slow. I understand that you need to enable trim, but I couldn't get it to work

@myrealusername2193 2 жыл бұрын

Really? Monterey takes ~1-2 minutes to boot up and “warm up”, and open up all of the previous apps. Using an m.2 NVME SSD

@PvtAnonymous 2 жыл бұрын

the keyword here is APFS. It's literally designed to run well on SSDs. Hence newer versions of macOS use APFS by default and run much better that way.

@Fay7666 2 жыл бұрын

It's also a simiar story on Windows land. I ran Win10 RTM on a hard drive just fine, and also ran it on an old PC with HDD & only 2GB of RAM just fine for a month or so. But I tried it last year, and it was _pain_ even on a new system with an enterprise 14TB hard drive, no debloat script saved it.

@ej_tech 2 жыл бұрын

Microsoft made a big deal about requiring TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot to run Windows 11 (officially) but never made it a requirement to have an SSD (or even eMMC flash) boot drive. Windows 10 is already *just* tolerable on a mechanical drive, but with Windows 11 it's unresponsive more than half the time.

@EricLS 2 жыл бұрын

I bought a mid-tier iMac in 2014, and said “naaaahhh” on the fusion drive, despite technically understanding the underpinnings. What I had not realized is that OSX all but presumed an SSD at that point and was absolutely unbelievably slow. Worst tech mistake of my life.

@Starach 2 жыл бұрын

Same here, looking forward to a M1/2 27” when it comes out.

@EricLS 2 жыл бұрын

@@Starach have an M1 13”, it’s literally hard to believe how fast it is

@Elloqus 2 жыл бұрын

My company had gotten me an iMac 27" 2019, upgraded one, with 8-core i7 and 16GB of RAM if memory serves (pun intended), but it had a Fusion Drive. Due to the corporate nature of the device, and the large number of logins and software booting at startup, the device booted as if it had a hard drive (since the SSD part of a Fusion Drive is just 32GB, which is barely enough for the base MacOS). In general very poor experience, I couldn't believe how Apple is ok with someone spending over $3k for a professional device and getting such poor performance.

@markerichannelly 2 жыл бұрын

Worst part about it by far is the mechanical HDD. Crack it open and put in an SSD, or even put MacOS on an external USB or TB3 drive and it becomes so much more usable 🤷‍♂️

@FungleFunTime 2 жыл бұрын

Crack is an an apt word here. That adhesive is so much fun!

@JeanSamyr 2 жыл бұрын

@@FungleFunTime i hate how this adhesive glues to the frame, man, I spend more time cleaning the adhesive residue than servicing the machine.

@groszak1 2 жыл бұрын

No so usable anymore onece you write too much because SSD can't handle too many writes.

@benadamsondxb 2 жыл бұрын

@@groszak1 Get Sensei from Cindori, it's a useful app and includes an Apple-certified TRIM enabler for your external SSD. Helps keep it healthy for much longer.

@Handl3sAreStupid 2 жыл бұрын

When I worked for Applecare, someone called with one of these asking why her brand new computer was so slow. I recommended she return the computer and get one with an SSD.

@angerylandbarge4352 2 жыл бұрын

How the hell does a computer from 2017 boot slower than a base model iMac G3 slot loader and still have a value in 3 digits?

@the2323guy 2 жыл бұрын

software inefficiency

@prplwzrd1720 Жыл бұрын

@@the2323guy it’s the same reason why the iPad Air gen 2 lasted as long as it did

@Gosu9765 2 жыл бұрын

That table was so wobbly it was actually distracting :) Never understood how the same company that pushed SSD only laptops was selling macs with spinning rust in them. It always bothered me they actually sell those. Cost cutting in worst place possible.

@brianmiller1077 2 жыл бұрын

It was for the K-12 market where they're basically always on.

@Clarkzer0 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmiller1077 Having slow computers at school made me and my family purchase my own to bring in or use at home, three times until I was finished k-highschool, just because it's "for kids" doesn't mean it should be useless, and if we want them to have the tools necessary to succeed, we should actually be doing the opposite.

@meair 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmiller1077 we had two of these in the GT room in my freshman year, easily the slowest computers. somehow the windows machines were faster

@wta1518 2 жыл бұрын

@@meair what do you mean "somehow"? MacOS takes forever to boot from an HDD, Windows has always taken slightly less than forever.

@lucasloud 2 жыл бұрын

LTT: See, we’re not biased against Apple, we created Mac Address! Mac Address: “We bought the WORST Apple product!”

@txma. 2 жыл бұрын

My school used these for our photography/photoshop class. Used it to get my adobe certification and I didn’t notice any issues for intensive photo manipulation. Of course the personal computer I had at the time was a lot worse so anything was much better

@rec0n97 2 жыл бұрын

Until a few weeks ago, I used to have this computer at my workplace. I’m a graphic designer that usually has 3-4 adobe apps open at all times, plus Spotify and safari. This computer was the worst thing I’ve ever used, don’t know why the still sell this (even as refurbished)

@alter-ego- 2 жыл бұрын

It's crazy!! I tried to buy an iPhone 11 Pro last month (wanted a decent 5.8" phone) and it still costs almost the same price as when it was released!!!

@JohnAdams-qc2ju 2 жыл бұрын

@PERLINNOISE Not when it is the same price as a 13 Pro. Often you can get it for $100 off but that is SOMETIMES. Unless you prefer buying 2 year old tech at the same price vs brand new stuff??

@tomwatts1692 2 жыл бұрын

I went from an iPhone 11 Pro to and iPhone 13 (normal) and it's a massive improvement. Same physical size too

@5urg3x 2 жыл бұрын

6:48 Do *NOT* sell the ram it comes with. If you ever do need a warranty claim, they will deny it, if the original OEM ram has been swapped out for 3rd party RAM.

@zoruaboy 2 жыл бұрын

Idk where you’re from but for users in the US, we have a law where it’s illegal to void a warranty for broken warranty stickers or modifications to the hardware Apple would have to prove that your modification is what’s causing the issue.

@5urg3x 2 жыл бұрын

@@zoruaboy This is Apple we’re talking about here. You know that right? This is the company that told CBC that it would cost over $1000 to fix their MacBook Pro when all it needed was a new internal DisplayPort cable, or the pins unbent on the current cable, which could’ve been repaired in five minutes. They’ll use any excuse to sell you a new machine. And what are you going to do if they try to pull something? Hire a lawyer?

@MrTrickBrick 2 жыл бұрын

That moment when you've been binging this channel again and then they upload. Great well produced content as always. 👍

@Jan-vw5cg 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love this channel. As a tech enthusiast, I love how your coverage is both critical and fair.

@AndyofCT 2 жыл бұрын

my biggest fuck up was getting a 2017 27" iMac with the fusion drive. It's basically been relegated to a $1800 Netflix box since I picked up an M1 Pro MBP... but even 5 years later, that screen is still so pretty...

@brianmiller1077 2 жыл бұрын

Many years ago, I ordered an i5 8 GB 2013 iMac from the refurb store and I got an i7 16 GB ram instead. I still use it everyday, but I really want the next iMac variant (even the low end M1 Pro will do). hopefully they will announce it at the March event.

@JeanSamyr 2 жыл бұрын

On my College they had a lot of these iMacs, I remember to use verbose mode to delete the config file to create a new administrator user account to install anything that I like, and to bring a external SSD to run Win10 sometimes..

@taylor1038 2 жыл бұрын

My old job bought one of the 5k iMacs with a 1TB HDD. They had this idea that just buying a new iMac meant it would be fast and didn't believe me when I complained of how unbearably slow it was. A big thing driving me out of that job was the glacially slow iMac for just doing simple things like opening Excel.

@hukmai 2 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough, at my local Costco the 21.5 inch imac with the 4k display and 8th gen i3-8100 ( 4c/4t) is 889$ while the one youre reviewing is (7th gen dual core hyper thread i5) is 600$ is good ole USA

@cobaltretrotech 2 жыл бұрын

I put a two and a half inch SATA SSD in my 2012 Mac Mini and it's boot time went from 5 minutes to 30 seconds. It's crazy how slow mechanical drives were and that we put up with them for so long

@personwhohasnoname 2 жыл бұрын

I think I have an historic example of an amazing buy from the refurb store. In 2008 I bought a refurbished gen 1 iPod touch, which was used for work purposes so was able to claim it as a tax deduction. That iPod was used for 18 months for app testing, then "retired" to be used as a bedroom music player. It has been used almost every night and is still going strong.

@gerumbaru7093 2 жыл бұрын

Very in depth information bruh, ty

@sekazi 2 жыл бұрын

My current 2015 model 15" MacBook Pro came from the Apple Refurbished store. What I like about the store is that the items look brand new. Zero scratches or anything. I am still using that same MacBook today and it still performs extremely well.

@sarahparrish7206 2 жыл бұрын

Of all the LMG channels, I love the production quality of this one the most. (This is not just because I'm an Apple fan, which I may be). I especially love the videos set outside, like the iPad one or the airtag one. Most creative imo

@pitsnipe5559 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, who would have thought. Thanks for the info. Look forward to the next installment.

@foskr4 Жыл бұрын

love how i just stumbled across this. My mums got this 2017 one and i always thought it was SO SLOW. Sad really for the price

@MK73DS 2 жыл бұрын

0:24 Well, that's all of their products isn't it? ... Hey, don't hit me, I'm just kidding, I have an Apple device... I own a sister who owns an iPhone!

@harenk Жыл бұрын

Very insightful video. Always wondered what the value of products in the refurbished store is like.

@tfexx 2 жыл бұрын

Ngl I really enjoy the videos you and the team are making. :)

@heyitsevan758 2 жыл бұрын

I remember working with these at my old high school. When you are replacing the ancient eMacs in the spED department with these, it doesn’t seems as bad.

@reganbrannigan3006 2 жыл бұрын

My Mam and Dad both have an iMac from 2013 that both had hard drives. They were incredibly slow at doing any tasks and from my perspective weren’t usable. It kept on saying there wasn’t enough ram but what the problem was is that the hard drive was so incredibly slow it pretty much bricked the whole system. After a fresh ssd was installed they both now run much better, still slow, but now they’re at least usable.

@Dygear 2 жыл бұрын

I had the 2015 version of this and yeah, it was not great for startup, but once it got running! Once it got running it ... still wasn't great.

@FlamecomMartian 2 жыл бұрын

Lol love the editing and music style in this video

@wescrowther655 2 жыл бұрын

I’m still running an iMac from late 09, 27” 2k screen, 32gb ram, 3.3ghz i7, Radeon 6970 2gb vid card, 2tb hybrid drive. Yes, I upgraded out of warranty with many creative parts. A lot of them. Still runs like a champ.

@saturnuria1217 2 жыл бұрын

My Dad has one of these. It wasn’t a bad computer when he bought it but a few years ago it got dog slow. Probably the slowest computer I’d ever used. So I wiped it and it was all fine. Long story short, whenever the file system gets switched to APFS, the system slows to a crawl. I ended up cracking it open and replacing the Hard Drive with a cheap Crucial SSD. It was like a brand new computer again. After a lot of testing I was able to pretty much confirm that the combination of APFS and a spinning hard drive is the problem. I can’t explain it in any more detail but, as long as you avoid that combination, it’s a perfectly serviceable computer for email, web, office, etc.

@theseob 2 жыл бұрын

I added a external samsung t1 ssd to my 2017 imac, and it makes a world of difference. And since you can choose to boot from this device our imac is now up and running within half a minute or so. Only downfall, you loose a usb port, and have to be careful not to disconnect the drive. I printed a free to download bracket that slides onto the imac foot that holds the drive on the back.

@dtemp132 2 жыл бұрын

I helped a family friend with a Late 2015 27” iMac running macOS 12 today. It had a 1TB spinner and ran like absolute garbage. The CPU or RAM wasn’t being taxed, and I don’t believe any program was hammering the disk. Disk Utility didn’t say there were SMART issues. But loading any program took minutes.

@quitelikeryan 2 жыл бұрын

2:37 that mac getting cut off in the top right corner… 😂

@AmmarAlameh 2 жыл бұрын

My dad has the 4K model, and it was painfully slow. He thought it was from ram, so he got someone to upgrade it, nope! It was barely noticeably faster, but he upgraded the hard drive to an ssd and now it’s really fast!

@BareFinn1986 Жыл бұрын

1:44 What sorcery is this?! Detachable cable?!

@glujaz 2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact, I have an old Mac mini from 2009 which I use as a server. It's still booting from a spinning drive, into Debian. Working pretty well ! 😬

@aigorythmics8141 Жыл бұрын

7:19 You put the speakers the wrong Sides. 😂

@hazqier 2 жыл бұрын

0:02 What music is that? It’s so relaxing and nice that I just want to fall asleep while listening to it.

@YouAreBreathing 2 жыл бұрын

My oldest laptop that's currently working in my posession is an 11 year old Lenovo Thinkpad laptop, and I upgraded the spinning hard drive to an SSD. I only have hard drives for storage on my desktop computer, but I'm thinking of replacing them with SSDs, so the only spinning things in my desktop computer would be the fans on the CPU cooler, case fans, and video card fans.

@sanguinesomnambulist Жыл бұрын

@6:31 that is the most late 80s/early 90s computer I've seen that's basically new. Half as much RAM as it has Storage, and costs more than my first car.

@Maximara 2 жыл бұрын

This is why you boot from an external SSD with any Mac with an internal platter drive. It is insanely slow to boot up. I got in the habit of booting from external drives as I went cheap and the internal HD were _slow_ .

@EllieSky 2 жыл бұрын

An SSD upgrade was the best thing I ever did for the family 2013, 21.5 inch iMac. Sped things up 10-fold and is still used pretty much daily to this day.

@RandyRhombus 2 жыл бұрын

That logo title fade thing was so smooth

@GalahadFranco 2 жыл бұрын

5:32 "Now, to confirm my hypothesis..." Jonathan, you used hypothesis instead of theory. Thank you!!!

@FlyingPigChannel 2 жыл бұрын

I had to use an (I think exactly) identical mac configuration for communications tech. Absolute hot garbage, took minutes to boot up applications and was just a horrible experience. Thankfully we were allowed to use our own computers, and my 2015 MacBook Pro with a new NVMe ssd absolutely creamed that thing.

@MicahBushman 2 жыл бұрын

We have a slower clocked version of this in my Graphic Design class... We get **nothing** done in that class.

@felixm6541 Жыл бұрын

i now know why my school macs where so slow! this was so informative

@joshiepooh 2 жыл бұрын

You could get a baseline M1 Mini from Costco for $670 and have a 90 day return policy.

@djross95 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, and what an embarrassing product for Apple to sell--then or now.

@dtronic 2 жыл бұрын

Booting macOS on an external SSD and leaving the internal drive for storage is the way to go on these old iMacs. I've been doing it for years on my 2015 5k iMac. It's a great way to avoid having to take the screen off and the speed improvement is insane.

@jessemanex Жыл бұрын

You could get an entry level gaming laptop for less than you would pay for that slow iMac.

@jfmezei 2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure it is fair to measure tiem for first boot since there is likely some process to complete installation and then get you to initial configuration. Would be intertesting to measure time for subsequent boots. With Apple pulling support for many things in recent years (such as older 32 bit apps), there are some people who may need an older computer to boot the last version of OS-X that supports the software they need. Another aspect is that production quantities for these models have have been committed before the date of announcement of moving to ARM was set so Apple may have found itself with surplus of older Intel Macs since people were now waiting for the new ARM ones.

@mtnbkr2011 2 жыл бұрын

There is still an i3 variant out there from 2019 too for around $750. I'm surprised that isn't in this video instead cause I can't imagine it being half as fast as this i5 variant.

@SimisearOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

I was really hoping you guys would do some kind of setup involving the Apple refurbished stuff, because I do think there are some good deals in there

@darkarch757 2 жыл бұрын

I got a 2015 late model with 1tb fusion and I can't remember what other upgrade . It was like 700 on ebay I think with shipping and a few years ago. For an art computer it's really solid

@MarioRobles93 2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see other products for sure!

@waffles245 2 жыл бұрын

i got a 2018 ipad pro from their refurb store and felt basically new. And since it's basically the same as the 2020 pro with a GPU core disabled, i saved myself a ton of money while still getting Apple Pencil 2 support, 120Hz, and a usb c port. Shame there isn't a 3.5 mm jack tho

@gammaboost 2 жыл бұрын

I have a base model mid 2011 iMac running High Sierra, that I upgraded to 12gb. It's never been opened fully and is almost definitely filled to the brim with dust, as I could see when upgrading the RAM, but it still boots faster than this Mac. In all my experience with old computers with HDDs, it's never been this slow to boot. In fact, those computers were actually usable.

@TMM6900 2 жыл бұрын

I got addicted to this channel after one video. I sub long time ago. But never watched until now

@only1gameguru 2 жыл бұрын

I had someone I worked with who got a 2018 Mac with an i3 8GB of ram and the 5.4k rpm driven... You can polish things so much before you realized you polished a paper weight

@mordecaiepsilon 2 жыл бұрын

These videos always go way way deeper than the title would have you believe, but in the best way possible

@theaterlightman89 2 жыл бұрын

My first mac was a refurbed core 2 duo macbook from 2007... it's still running today... not as my daily driver though

@theaterlightman89 2 жыл бұрын

The biggest problem that computer had was a 32mb shared video memory

@TheGadgetPanda 2 жыл бұрын

Am still making do with my 2015 27" iMac with 16gb RAM and 1TB fusion drive. Have held out this long waiting for an M1 27 inch iMac, though I do look enviously at the Mac Minis. If only there were a decent affordable 5k screen available, I might have upgraded a year ago. I can't believe it's going to be Summer before they finally upgrade the big iMac. Madness!

@goobfilmcast4239 2 жыл бұрын

I have a similar setup for my M1 Mini....except I purchased a Cheapie Walmart ONN 4k 43 inch HDTV to use a Monitor....with a little tweaking of the color settings in both the TV and the Mac, I have an awesome budget setup.....my Mini...now 424 days old, is the fastest Mac I have ever owned (going all the way back to my first Performa in 1995). I fully intend to get the next-gen Mini and simply plunk it down in place of my current Mac. I will pass that one down to my niece.

@mmonkeyman1403 2 жыл бұрын

I was shopping for an imac about 2 years ago. I was looking at the used market and this is the exact model I was told to avoid like the plague. I ended up with a late 2012. After I swapped the OS onto a SSD and added the maximum amount of RAM to the machine, I would say it's a solid computer. All in I've spent about 325 on it since it came with a magic mouse and apple keyboard (my favorite model with the number pad).

@jvinot60 2 жыл бұрын

I purchased this system in 2017 and loved it for a short minute due to the horrible 5400 mechinal drive. Did some research and purchased a 500Gb external SSD with USB-C connectivity. Installed MacOS on the external and never looked back. I do still use the 5400 drive for data storage.

@aidanely 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like this would be good for a comparison for everything. Like is a refurbished iPhone 12 the same as a new one? Or is it just the UK with 12’s on their refurbished shop?

@fonskarssemakers 2 жыл бұрын

Buys crap so we don't have to...My man!

@noirarmire1246 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a PC guy, but I was thinking of buying an Mac mini that is referbished. I'm just waiting for a 16gb M1 referb to show up. I want to play around with it for some light audio and random photo editing so I don't want to buy brand new as it'll probably sit unused most of the time. I don't hate apple products, I just think they have a specific use case and not daily drivable for the average person. But Great video as always Jonathan. Perhaps a video on features new Mac users should know and the history of how they came about or how to easily transition?

@Harry11x 2 жыл бұрын

very good work like always. seems like mac address was missing from the tech world.

@ClearComplexity 2 жыл бұрын

The MacOS machine I use to edit was a busted up 2019 MacBook Pro 6 core i7, 16gb ram, and 500gb SSD I rescued from the damaged chassis and transplanted into a custom case I built that includes integrated thunderbolt dock and access to the rest of the ports as well. It gets a lot better airflow and works extremely well for what I need (a machine to run Pixelmator and basic tasks, I have my Ryzen machine with Linux/Win10 that can handle heavy lifting). TBH I'm waiting to find an M1 MacBook air running with no lock but with a dead display/case damage to do the same thing to. I'm fairly certain with enough work I could machine a much more streamline case, possibly even integrating it into a keyboard like an old micro, with the passive cooling. Comes down to wrestling the battery and ports. If you could get full 100% performance sans batteries but plugged into power I'd go that route, but I doubt that's the case between not enough power or the security cheap hating the lack of a battery.

@sltz3 2 жыл бұрын

I remember getting the base iMac when they redesigned in 2012. It was great for what I needed it for - basic use. But today I would definitely go mid tier and no way I’m going back to HDD for my everyday use.

@Mehrvideos916 2 жыл бұрын

07:28 Linus Tech Tips 😂! Nice video! I make self also tech videos :)

@plasmagrey 2 жыл бұрын

Have always enjoyed these videos but I had to pause after 17 seconds… what is that intro piano music, I fricking love it and got sad when it faded out so soon! The music on this channel is underrated

@macaddress 2 жыл бұрын

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@plasmagrey 2 жыл бұрын

@@macaddress thank you so much! On topic - I’ve got an M1 Mac Mini desktop and am flabbergasted by the prices on these refurbs. Then again, I’ve known a few Apple people who spend car amounts of $ on maximum spec laptops, for little more than spreadsheets and email 🤔

@earlgibbs9985 2 жыл бұрын

Did not think that I would like the video. However, received a lot of good info! Thanks.

@williamcharlesjames 2 жыл бұрын

The store is actually “Refurbished and Clearance”. There is a clearance section on the page but I haven’t soon anything there in a long time. I imagine they just sell those clearance products as refurbished either to make more money (clearance usually implies a bigger sale price) or to not have the “embarrassment” of having a product in clearance to prevent the _____ was a huge flop videos from being more prominent that they already are.

@djsnowpdx 2 жыл бұрын

60-80 megabytes per second would be great. These drives run ideally at 60-80 megabits per second in the best case scenario, sequential reads. That’s 1/8 the speed of 60-80 megabytes per second, and it gets worse. In random data access, SSDs are 100+ times quicker to retrieve small bits of data, such as what is required to boot the machine and launch a program. In random data reads, though it is a flawed metric, you can expect hard drives to operate in the range of 1-2 megabits per second, and access latency doing one thing can be a couple of seconds. Access latency doing several things at once can be 30 seconds or more. Disgusting. You’d literally be better off installing the operating system to an SD card and putting it in the slot on the back.

@ElNeroDiablo 2 жыл бұрын

Ehhh, presuming that's SATA III (6.0gbps, or 6000mbps) in question, that's a max theoretical throughput of 600MB/sec (using 8/10 encoding, 2 bits of parity for every 8 bits of data meaning 10b of throughput = 1B actually sent), and even high-end SATA SSD's have problems cracking the 550MB/sec mark. So 60-80MB/sec isn't too far-fetched for old spinning rust at 5400RPM made to go in a laptop, to cap out at. Now if we were talking PATA/IDE 5400RPM hard drives, they're even WORSE, as the IDE bus for drives capped out at 133MB/sec (just below the theoretical max throughput of 150MB/sec on a SATA I 1.5gbps/1500mbps bus) and the spinning rust couldn't fully saturate THAT at the time!

@andyrharris 2 жыл бұрын

I have this computer at work and I barely ever use it cos it's so bad. I know they would never pay to replace or improve it, so I have actually bought a SD card which I plan to put the OS on.

@djsnowpdx 2 жыл бұрын

@@andyrharris That’s what SSD enclosures are for. Why pay for the storage in an SD card when a real SSD is so much faster again? Running an OS from an SD card is rough. You’re right - it’s better than a hard drive, but again, an external SSD in an enclosure is a way better choice for that application, and would be a similar price per GB.

@djsnowpdx 2 жыл бұрын

@@ElNeroDiablo You’re right. It was I, not Jonathan, who had megabits and megabytes confused. But the bigger point I’m trying to make is that hard drives perform way worse than 60-80 MB/s most of the time - SSDs excel in access latency. I’m sure you know that, but for anyone else reading who wonders why SSDs are touted as being so much quicker when they don’t look that much faster, looking at sequential performance alone.

@Ebalosus 2 жыл бұрын

TBF the education iMacs sucked back in the day too. I’ve always steered potential customers away from them.

@Neojhun 2 жыл бұрын

Windows 8.1 on a Core 2 Duo Laptop with a 7200rpm 2.5" SSD takes about 25 seconds to boot. It's my old laptop from 2008 it still impresses me how fast it boots, but the screen is flickering now. I don't understand how 4 minutes is possible on a fresh OS install.

@cloverhal2284 Жыл бұрын

Love the style of this channel, got a proper identity

@DennisStewart 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not an apple user anymore, but I really appreciate the channels "pros/cons" weigh in for usability value vs $$.

@TonyLi. 2 жыл бұрын

Try the referb 2018 iPad Pro. It is still over powered till this day without the bells and whistles of the current iPad Pro.

@mrknighttheitguy8434 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2013 21" mac and I hate how they have put a sensor on the hard drive, you if you replace the h/d with an ssd, the cooler fans ramp up to 100% all the time... almost like Apple had planned that...

@benjibenji8 2 жыл бұрын

We have to use these exact models at work and they are incredibly slow! It struggles with large spreadsheets and launching MS Word takes awhile. Boot up time is around 2 minutes min., but there were times it took 20 minutes for some reason. The screen is quite good, even if it's only 1080p, but my personal iMac from late 2013 running a quad core i5 runs better (but I boot up from an external SSD, not the internal spinner).

@mystic316 2 жыл бұрын

in 2015 the base 1080p iMac at least came with Quad Core Processors.

@thestype 2 жыл бұрын

Having a 2014 27-inch iMac the Fusion Drive is the biggest bottle-neck. It is okay as it starts up with SSD speed but becomes a pain as it rattles throughout the workday. That iMac is still a good computer - with an external SSD attached to it and a label attached "do not pull while running".