Honestly she a representation of real life, sometimes people you genuinly want to like, end up being people you despise because of a decision they made..... we're not supposed to like her. She DID SA Finn, and you're supposed to be uncomfortable. Because life is uncomfortable, and people you once tried to tolerate become unlikable. Did the show *need* the implied SA? debatable. But it happened, and happens everyday.

I just couldn't see LSP the same way after she seemingly forced Finn into... whatever happened after that fade-to-black. It was a poorly done joke and I would bet that it made a few viewers remember quite traumatizing things that happened in their own life, as it did me. If that 'joke' didn't exist, I'd just consider her an ok character, but...

the kiss n fade to black is my most hated 'joke' in my favourite show ever to imply she forced Finn into a make-out or sex is just disgusting and her age/attitude is no excuse it ruined LSP for me, I cannot enjoy the character anymore.... not like they really did anything good with her

Isn't she a bad character on purpose though? I was never under the impression that I was supposed to like her. From the very beginning she struck me as the sort of comic relief you love to hate, so she never upset me personally beyond being annoyed with her behavior.

Her character development was in line with how the show evolved. The world isn't as light hearted as the early episodes let on, and people we thought was just weird and annoying at first eventually show themselves for the monsters they really are. LSP is the lesson on how letting little things slide will lead to bigger things later on.

I really really hate that they made her a r*pist. I really enjoyed her character, I loved how she talked and I thought she was funny. Luckily the r*pe episode flew over my head years ago but after rewatching Adventure time, I will never be able to look at LSP the same again.

Literally the only thing I remember about her is the episode where she SA Finn

Breezy really turned LSP from a character we tolerated to one we don't really want to see again

6:54 I haven't watched a lot of this show, but this is a mindset that I wish more people had when it came to writing women in fiction. It doesn't just have to be where they're forced into the binary of existing for male characters development (not necessarily limited to romance) and an unrealistic standard of perfection marketed as empowerment. We're human beings and thus are capable of making mistakes and those mistakes and personal obstacles being portrayed in media can be just as relatable as a character's hobbies, sense of humor, or aspirations.

I remember hating LSP when I was younger,but on my most recent rewatch she was one of the highlights. There's just something fun about a character that revels in their own shittiness

Great video! I got curious after watching, so I looked up if anyone commented about this from the show, and this led me to Jesse Moynihan discussing it on Tumblr (He's worked on AT and Midnight Gospel.) I'm just ripping what he said with copy paste, so it's up to y'all to decide what you take out of this: "I don’t think we ever clearly defined tier 15, so I don’t know. The second question is harder to answer - because this scene was to me, the climax of Finn’s journey into darkness. Finn definitely went along with LSP’s advances. He was exploring his emptiness and wondering how far he could go. In the end Finn didn’t feel good about french kissing (or whatever, it’s not important) with LSP but maybe it was something he had to find out through experience. Sometimes you have to reach your lowest self to know what you can build on. All this stuff is pulling from my life experience and personal trials that I’m trying to transmute through the screen in a macrocosmic fashion. What I mean by “macrocosmic” is the larger Truth than just our mundane lowercase truth; Like the larger Love, Princess Bubblegum sings about at the end." It's a scene that unfortunately feels very... not right, and I think that was the point, but the execution is what I think makes this out to be way darker than it actually was. As for me, I remember dropping AT for a while JUST because Finn and FP breaking up, but I've come to appreciate the story they were trying to tell. It was never meant to be something "fun" to watch at points, and honestly it's kind of cool. I don't know whether it's worse to show french kissing or implying it, maybe the latter seeing as it sparked all of this to start.

Ponyhead before Ponyhead

The SA really ruined her character for me. I really enjoyed her throughout the series because of her sass and ability to make me laugh. I wish her relationship with Lemongrab 3 would've came before that episode 😭

I get frustrated with LSP, I think she can be hilarious and even kinda awesome in like a... drag show diva way, yanno? She's unapologetically herself and exerts confidence akin to a TLC reality TV star, it's somehow both envyable and pitiful but most of all it's entertaining. Her actions in "Breezy" rly puts a terrible taste in my mouth and I hate that it happened in an episode so important to Finn's character arc (no to mention the foreshadowing of the Finn Sword) or I could at least pretend it didn't exist. But I think the episode that actually upsets me the most about her is the that time travel episode, she just straight up erases a guy from existence, a guy who she was hitting it off with so well and could've been really happy with if she hadn't lost it to her own paranoia and jealousy. She just couldn't get out of her own way and pulled some of the most insane yandere shit she's ever done in the show. It feels like an absurd cartoonish version of the type of self-sabotage you see from alot of mentally unstable teens and young adults, I've had former friends who I had to cut out of my life because they similarly couldn't get out of their own way and thus hurt themselves and everyone around them. idk I'm probably stretching and making it deeper than it is but just seeing her being so close to having something truly good and healthy in her life only to ruin it all based on shit she made up in her own head and a lack of communication... it comes across as her subconsciously trying to take control of how the happiness ends so when it eventually (inevitably) does end it won't take her off guard - destroy the good thing before it can leave her or destroy everything around it so it has nowhere to go, and it just reminds me so much of ppl I've dealt with irl and it just makes my soul itch, yanno? makes me flail around in pure frustration

I didn't properly watch Adventure Time all the way through until a year or two ago and LSP was one of my favourites lmao. I never understood the hate she's so funny to me. Edit: People not liking her because of the sexual assault 'joke' is totally valid. To me it reads less like something LSP would actually do and more like a harmful gag that the writers put it without really thinking about it; but if that's the reason for your hate then I can understand.

"Lumpy Space" is one of the more creative parallel dimensions in media. It's usually called something like "the in-between" or something vaguely spooky like that.

I was ok with LSP and liked her in some episodes....untill THAT Episode with the r*pe Finn "joke". Even as a Kid that traumatized me.

I always get the impression that LSP is a catharsis character for Pendleton, like i get the vibe that he knew and cared about someone like her and so he made a character about her. Or that Pendleton was like her as a teenager and is processing that. I think the first one the most cause i *knew* several girls like LSP growing up, and i saw the shitty things they did. And like LSP's assault on Finn is kind of played up for laughs, but its also really not, like there is a *silence* afterwards, its uncomfortable and its supposed to be. I dont think its making fun of Finn for being assaulted, I think its pointing out a very real thing that boys get assaulted too, and teenagers assault eachother sometimes, and its not okay; and when girls assault boys they dont recieve the Repercussions and concequences of it like when boys assault girls, and its a problem. They just get to go on living their life and no one talks about it, and several people would tell Finn that boys can be assaulted and he was lucky. (Which obviously doesnt happen in the show, but like they all stay friends with her, and Finn doesnt tell anyone). Idk, I just finished my first rewatch of the show, and it really made me wonder if something like that, again maybe a friend he had, did that to him. Idk, it just felt real in a quiet way.

"Breezy" is such a strange episode in general...from the premise being "Finn has a bunch of casual sex to numb the pain while a bee falls in love with his arm", to be infamous LSP joke, nonsensical ending and bizarre decision to bring back Finn's arm (which didn't even stick for very long). What a weird episode.

6:08 dude characters don’t need to be explained or have a reason for how they are. They just… are who they are. A constant theme of adventure time is “some things don’t need to be questioned”

anytime i try to watch adventure time this is the character that most makes me desperately just want to watch literally anything else (the first episodes are just a struggle i guess)

I absolutely hate her, but at least she's better than Pony head.

17:01 I read this word VERY differently...

I'm loving this new plethora of Adventure Time content from you.

Finn fully healed from third-degree burns with FP. A lil more detail and we'd see how wrinkled and scarred Finn's body has become just from living in Oo

my soul is LSP shaped

13:55 it's much worse when you realize LSP is 3 years older than Finn

I feel like i still would have enjoyed her more if there was more comeuppance for her really bad behaviour, like in the episode where she ran away and had to face actual consequences. She didnt stop being herself, but seeing bad stuff happen to her when being herself meant being an idiot or a sassy shit was what made me laugh. Then the ending where she actually changed her behaviour a little while still feeling like the same character and things worked out better felt satisfying in its own way Or the zombie episode where she wants those lips at any cost and gets zombified bc thats the cost But then most of the time she shows up and just does...weird stuff that maybe has an impact on the story or maybe just annoys people and then thats it 😅

I will always love LSP but the weird dubious consent sex scene with her and Finn is so horribly misguided and out of place

Wonderful analysis, I really hope the algorithm spreads this vid

"You Should Pay Attention When SomeBody Cool is Trying to Talk!" - LSP -

4:06 there is no overconfidence because it's such an inner trait unaffected by how others think that it doesn't ingore others, it just causes the person to believe. Arogance is what you mean, Arrognace is intentionally trying to act or seem better than others despite the facts, while confidence even if over can care for the reality and still choose to continue. Lumpy was a "I'm better than you" not "i believe in Myself."

I'm not watching this bc spoilers, but i want it to be known i only know about this character bc there's a strain named after them that i smoked once

9:50 the text on-screen says "self-invention" narrator says "self-illusion"!

ive literally never watched adventure time (idk why im here either) but even IVE seen that one scene

Hey lumpy space will always be a solid gag

2:19 schnoz berserk?

I quote her all the time, but only in my brain 🧠

Oh my glob, Lsp is my favorite character 🩷

(Raises arms) "Luuuumps"

I actually love lsp I get whyd people wouldnt like her but i think shes a great addition to the ensemble

0:14 I don’t know about that, I think that title goes to Trina Riffin from grojband

the biggest plot-twist of this video was truly the moment when the youtuber becamed black out of nowhere

this is a great video !

She’s a teenager?

I never really liked her to begin with, even before THAT scene. But I do try to be a bit more open-minded about her. I think she was done kinda dirty, writing wise.

18:51 what the hell do you means thats litterally what characters are about generally, ofcourse they can't do good things everytime as that isn't human or beliavable at all, sometimes people are greedy, spiteful, sloths, Glottuns, Prideful and so on. Lumpy compared to Finn is more flawed but they are both important characters because of their flaws and redeeming qualities, it's what makes them feel beliavable than just punching bags, ofcourse its fine to relate to aspects of a Flawed character as that doesn't mean you condone any of their actions, it's the same reason you can like villians, you don't side with villians you like villains for varied reasons.

Am I the only one who hates the "We don't talk about..." thumbnails of some of the most widely talked about characters in their series? Like who's we

I still like LSP, they could never make me hate you.

Haven’t watched the video yet but will leave my opinion here before I do: I’m not a big fan of LSP, but she had some fun moments and was occasionally enjoyable to watch. My main issue with her is how they had her SA Finn but continued to have her be a reoccurring and, for lack of better word, friendly character. She never seems like the writers are forcing you to like her, but they rarely feel like they call out her annoying or even downright awful behaviors. In regards to the SA, I can understand why the writers couldn’t really address it any further than they did given it’s a kids show, but I still wish they could’ve done something more than just throw it in there and move on.

I LO❤E LSP l . Honestly see was my favorite

oh i absolutely love lsp

It my cats name,

6:48 I get what he means, even though it shouldn't be that difficult to understand that well women are people too, there is a tendecy with sterotypes to be so common they become the norm, so it leads to this statement that would be generally incorrect to be true due to this fact. They aren't written as characters who have gender that may add to that, they're just cliches with nothing more to them, Pb is a saving Princess Cliche for the Hero finn, which she subverts by being an actual Villain of the story though unfortunately the show messed up this statement later on: 7:02-7:14 atleast PB is an exception to this rule, lumpy in her current state isn't exactly someone you'd like to meet, but she is intersting, marcline yeah, Fire princess so on. the reason Lumpy can work for that is she gets proper development and isn't generally excused for her actions, PB I wouldn't for the character she should still be she is not a person anyone should be with, until she grows and changes as a person she won't be much fun to hangout with.

LSP Is straight up the reason why I never watched Adventure Time while It was airing, whenever AT was on It was always seamed to land on an episode she featured In which lead me to believe AT was just yet another lol-so-random cartoon filled with dislikeable characters (there were a lot of those around that time), then years later turns out AT Is a cult classic so strong content for It Is still being made. I honestly believe the show would've been much better without her.

6:10 it's similar to how PB refuses to well learn from her errors, But like Lumpy is arrogant Lump ofcourse she wouldn't change so easily or care about it, PB maybe pretty Psychopathic but she is intelligent surely she could learn from the mistakes she makes in hurting people more than just turning off her emotional Intellgience inhibitors. yet she just kinda decides to ingore it, the worst part isn't really just that is more so show the show kinda just seemed to have forgotten to punish PB for being arrogant to encourge her and show a point about how the only reason she changes is because it benefits HER and only HER not because it's right or important, Finn should've blasted her for this, he can be gooby but he ain't stupid or entirely. He should've pointed that out as a fair critism to PB when he got older.

1:17 I wish it was earned, PB didn't deserve that win she didn't entirely overcome her issues, she didn't make up for the suffering she committed on so many individuals including Finn, he just made up for what he was hurt by and also that past Slur she used to my knowledge was never mentioned again even though that should've been an important thing she would have to overcome to earn Marceline's respect. Basically the show excused her too much, sometimes it worked as well in the moment she as likely to be punsished, however the fact it never came back to bite her barely or at all is disgusting, I love her as a Caring Tyrant, just hate she half Magic maned her Growth. Now she gets the Baddest bitch alive for basically not trying, I may want that but I know it's wrong because I wouldn't be strong enough to love that person. PB was one of the biggest fumbles Adventure time had, she was a great character who's pointetiall wasn't fully realised.

i like pendleton ward. i think he's a good writer - adventure time, and midnight gospel are two of my favorite works of fiction. but i don't think the writing in adventure time is good at portraying either gender. whenever the show focuses on it, it seems to go sour. i think princess bubblegum is an even worse example than lsp in this case. she's a f@scist, hypocritical monster that cuts people apart for fun, and that's not out of place for a leader in adventure time. but when you add on that layer of manipulating finn so deliberately, and unapologetically, it takes the cushion of surrealism away. as demonstrated with lsp, and that nonconsensual scene, it only takes one botched joke to recontextualize an entire character into being unforgiveable. that joke reminds people of real situations where romantic, or sexual activities were forced on them. bubblegum reminds me of real people who have tricked me into believing they had good in them, when they're full of nothing but evil. for me, the equivalent of that lsp moment for bubblegum is when she's revealed to actually be jealous of flame princess being with finn. and when it's revealed she used ice king to secretly engage in environmental warfare against the flame kingdom, just so she could dominate flame princess. if it was just one, or the other, it wouldn't be so bad. both of them happening paint her as a deeply depraved sadist who derives her greatest joy from controlling others against their will. and the show does not call her out in ways that convey an awareness of what's wrong with her. having her turn off those cameras was already meaningless before it was shown that she still spies on people, because it's just her narcissistic way of trying to feel like she's a good person, after justifying her petty campaign of vengeance on flame princess with fake paranoia. yeah, bubblegum. i'm sure your desire to harass a teenager makes you very paranoid of her nation's superweapons. what a good person you are for leaving her one of them, that's totally not just a selfish ego stroke at the expense of your kingdom's safety. the one you supposedly destroyed the other superweapons for. that context makes everything else she does in the series foul. marceline isn't her girlfriend, she's her toy. the candy kingdom aren't her people, they're her toys. ooo isn't a setting, it's just a big toybox, for the ✨🍬_most perfect person in the universe_🍬✨ to use, and discard. she's had centuries to learn about the world she lives in, and she hasn't learned a thing about morality, other than the fact that she can get away with violating it. there is no magic artifact corroding her brain, and there is at least one other organism that came out of the mother gum who's not evil. there is no excuse for her behavior. bubblegum should have died with the lich's introduction. if we could've known back then the kind of person she was, her perishing in that radioactive waste would've been poetic, because she's a walking analogue for what probably started the mushroom wars in the first place. phew. i'd been keeping that in for a while.

14:35 yeah and thats why someone like PB sucks, she doesn't due enough to account for her many actions, of Cruelty, coercion, genocide, basically killing her own child and step child, harrasment, Racism, Arrogance. most of them weren't really tackled much, like her role in the magic city was just being absolute crazy Lump, like she never rightfully made up for her horrible disregard for other people's unique safe lives in magic, or harrasing them over trying to act superior, or Apologize for forcing Ice King to give her information on it she didn't really need to go for. She is a Great example of how to mess this up.

12:08 I feel this entire thing was bullshit as it completely assisanated Finn's character for this to happen, Finn isn't a Manipulative piece of shit, he can be he just generally chooses honesty, so him letting his impulses fully take him is too out of character to make this fall off beliavable. Leading to it seeming like the writers forced a break up rather than make it be Naturally occuring due to missing information, Finn can be immature but he isn't nowhere this level of such.

I always hated LSP

I've always been in the camp that just absolutely HATES the character. Yes, I get that the joke is she's supposed to be insufferable, but when that's her one joke and I don't even find it funny, I can't bring myself to be anything other than annoyed any time she's on screen.

Do not compare. Lspn to Turning red that's not a right comparison.

I started to genuinely loathe LSP after she S.A'd Finn. I understand the writers intention, but Gods if they could have portrayed it in a different way

Yeah I just really wish she was less prevalent of a character. She really takes down alot of episodes she's in.

As a kid I thought LSP was amusing. Hilarious even at times. But when I rewatched the show as an adult, I wasn’t laughing. She’d sometimes have a line or two that got a genuine laugh out of me, but for the most part, she was just unpleasant and boring. Just as an example, I remember really liking the episode “The Monster” when I was younger. But I was just kinda bored when I watched it again, cause it’s just LSP being herself for 11 minutes.

It's really bizarre to me that both this video and a lot of the comments seem really adamant on reading that scene with LSP as SA. The only resistance Finn showed to her advances was him saying "I'm not a good swimmer", which not only is going along with her teasing analogy (something that Finn wouldn't do if he legitimately wanted to get away from her), but also isn't even direct resistance. All that implies is that he's either taken her analogy literally, which is highly unlikely given he's already conquered his fear of the ocean, or he's simply saying that he's inexperienced in being more intimate than a quick kiss. LSP's comment after that implies that she'll take the lead and help him through it. The fact that people interpreted that as even remotely implying SA is insane to me.

Am I one of the only ones that actually liked her?

LSP is a babe! wait California girl!? I never noticed! I was born & raised and lived in CA for 43 years! Am I a fish not noticing that I am wet?

2:41 from what I know Princess Peach isn't a Caring tyrincal parent, again I do hate PB for being a badly excuted idea. Though her characterzation is usually limited to just be a plot device to cause conflict instead of just like having mario be a character who wishes to overcome bowser for more reasons, like improving himself, discourging his likely other bad behavoiur, overthowing him cause he is a tyrant. Yet he isn't allowed to as much so she's reduced down to it.

Insane that people think LSP did anything other than make out with Finn, which was his comeuppance for being a fucking creep that episode.

If a bad joke about sexual impropriety from my character who is improper in every other way ruins the character then you should be watching a show about actual bubblegum princesses. Likable characters do worse stuff than the villains of the show as dubbed by the Twitter audience, it's a show about killing fairies and monsters in exchange for sexual favors that ran for 10 seasons that's going to happen. That flame princess s*** was f**** there's no other way to put it but it's finns story and we saw his hardships and his f***** up dreams. You can say that she deserves a seven season ark to explain but she's a minor side character the assault was Finn's story.

Haven’t watched the video yet but will leave my opinion here before I do: I’m not a big fan of LSP, but she had some fun moments and was occasionally enjoyable to watch. My main issue with her is how they had her SA Finn but continued to have her be a reoccurring and, for lack of better word, friendly character. She never seems like the writers are forcing you to like her, but they rarely feel like they call out her annoying or even downright awful behaviors. In regards to the SA, I can understand why the writers couldn’t really address it any further than they did given it’s a kids show, but I still wish they could’ve done something more than just throw it in there and move on.