Perhaps some hubcentric wheel spacers widening the stance might help stability in addition to a lower COG.

We're looking at both of those options as we rebuild. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!

I Overland with an M416. I kept the original luna ring and pintle setup. I’ve thrashed it pretty hard, including sliding it sideways in a hard turn on slush-covered pavement with no troubles. I did keep the tall and narrow NDCC (non-directional cross country) military tires on there as well. My center of gravity remains low.

Here’s an overview of my setup: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNB9n9pmtra0gps.html

For sure. I think our biggest mistake was building the COG too high. We'll be making some changes to HICKS soon!

I used to be a distributor for timbrens. I disagree with using them here.

HICKS lived to tow again another day! We're having fun building V2 - recording a podcast on it tomorrow night! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Idaho is waiting for you. 😀

Who asked you?! But really, I was the one who was towing so……

I mean, I think it’s appropriate to blame Chris for most things that go wrong…

Thank you sir!!! So cool to hear it kept your daughter’s attention!! We are looking at Pinterest/Lunette as an option. Thank for stopping by and watching!!!

You are speaking our language! We're looking at all of these options right now...thanks for the tips!

@@Venture2Roam awesome can’t wait to see the outcome

Be sure to get one suitable for the weight not one that is overkill or else it will bounce from being stiff when not loaded down

Thanks for the tip!

Funny - we never really considered it until it happened. I think keeping the COG as low as possible, especially with a high rack like the one we put on would have kept this from happening...Here's hoping you and I never trade this particular war story lol!

@@Venture2Roam I hope so too!

Those Turkeys were running in front of us for at least 1/2 mile! lol

As long as they are helpful comments (like this one), I'm all for the advice. I think Chris and will do a podcast on all fo these comments tomorrow night. It's really interesting stuff if you like overland trailers! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!

Yeah, ball hitches are just bad news off-road unfortunately. Doesn't take much to disengage them with all the articulation the rig and trailer experience.

I agree...even more than that...and aluminum coupler is very bad off-road! We're definitely doing something different with the hitch.

Sorry it took so long...wanted to do it justice!

Thank you sir! Appreciate you taking the time to watch.

Thank you Chance!

Exactly right! With no one hurt - it was a cheap lesson. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!!

Martin, what a great comment, thank you so much! We’re in the process of rebuilding HICKS and are planning on getting him back in the trail asap!

I'll keep an eye open to see Hicks back on the trails.

Thank you for watching, I really appreciate it!

Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, I really appreciate it! Hitch/Coupler is a very interesting subject. We're definitely revisiting what type of hitch to do for HICKS V2. In some ways, it's not a bad thing the ball hitch came off in this situation because it allowed the trailer to flip without damaging the Jeep at all (lock and roll benefit). However, that would not have prevented the trailer from flipping or stopped the damage to HICKS. A Pintle/Lunette set up may have stopped the trailer from rolling because it's so light weight...but there's a risk that it would damage the Jeep in doing so. So while I'm not saying a ball hitch is better for off-roading, I am saying if the the trailer is going to flip (totally different convo on preventing that) you want it to do so without causing damage to your vehicle, which in this case it did.

Thanks Doc! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and leave a comment!

Thanks Jason! We're evaluating different hitch options. It was a bummer, but we're having fun with the rebuild!!!

The military version of this trailer (M100) actually came with a rotating lunette setup. That's what I have on my M416 and I'm aiming to keep that setup.

@@Tonon487 We're taking a good hard look at the pintle/lunette set up!

Thanks Nathan. Love your channel!

I'm editing the comeback/redemption trip right now!!!

Yep, this is a Bantam Trailer. The company that originally designed the first Jeep. It's spec'd to WWII dimensions because it was made to be towed by the military. Designs have come a long way since then, but we love this thing regardless, it's a collectors item. We did put a different hitch coupler on it and took it out again to finish this trip: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8uSpdiVu9iwmXk.html

We played it safe for sure. We’re revisiting our axle and hitch. Stay tuned!!!

Hahaha.

We looked at Timbrens initially, but decided to go with a solid axel and leaf springs...now that we may have to replace the axel, we'll be revisiting Timbrens. We did air down...to 20 PSI before we hit dirt...although I'm hearing some folks air their trailers down way more than that.

@@Venture2Roam I was going to ask the same thing. I run the tires on my 1500lb offroad trailer at 15psi. These are just shy of 29" BFG KO2s on 15" wheels. Knowing my trailer has a 3500lb axle with the typical short trailer leaf spring setup from when I first built it, it can be bouncy. Not as bad with the tires aired way down though. I saved my rear springs and shocks off my '17 Tacoma TRD Offroad to eventually swap out to smooth out the ride.

@@insaynbcr That's a great idea. Chris and I finally have a game plan on what to do next..video coming soon!

We agree!!! We actually went with more of a lock and roll style…but only because the Pintle is loud. They are the best value though…tried and true. More vids on this build/rebuild coming very soon!!

Sounds like you have a lot of experience towing trailers off-road! The hitch pin was in when the trailer flipped, it was just out because we were adjusting it when I took the video of the warped metal. We're definitely looking at different hitch system. Stay tuned to find out what we do next. You can watch the build series here: kzfaq.info/sun/PLv4WOiu-rUDDf7NUccBrtKJ2syWIj4Rxi

Bantam really did get it right the first time! I wish it would have had it. The previous owner removed it…those pintles are really great. We actually did a more in depth discussion about this on our podcast (American Overlander).

Great perspective and advice. Check out the redemption run film! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8uSpdiVu9iwmXk.htmlsi=QGXxOqUzkT4p4T1B

Thank you so much for watching!! So glad you enjoyed the vid, and hope you come back to the channel to watch more!! The pin comment is spot on..however, we did have the pin in…we had just taken it out because we were adjusting the trailer right before I shot that part of the video. I do think it makes a difference…we have a new coming out soon where we show how we are reassembling HICKS…starting with a new Hitch.

Very good point. We wound up getting something similar to that. New vid on the re-build coming out soon. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!

Yes, I think it would have stopped the trailer from flipping. It could have damaged Chris' bumper too...but one thing is certain...we're not going to back to a ball hitch!

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Thanks Lance!! It was a bit of a train wreck, but at least we still a project to work on! We aired the trailer down to 20, which is what we were running the Jeeps at as well. It felt plenty low for the easy roads we were on...but we could have gone 18-15..not sure that would have kept the trailer from flipping though. WINTER CAMPING - let's go.

@@Venture2Roam cant wait for the 10th. So excited to get out with you guys!!! i have noticed pulling those small trailers on logging roads that they bounce like crazy with even moderate air pressure. As light as it is with 33” tires I would try to air down below 15 and see if it rides better. Not saying that it would have prevented the roll over.

@@AngerManagementOverland we might try that next time. Good tip

Thanks for watching! We're definitely changing the coupler. Debating which one. I think we're getting a new sold axle, but adding shocks to dampen the spring effect. We'll post our progress!

@@Venture2Roam I really like the Maxi Coupler. Shocks and put Timbren bump stop, that will help.

That’s a really good option…but super noisy. We went a slightly different route. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLebapRkm6mvkac.html

I mean...When you're in Rome...or in this case..Weiser Idaho lol.

Hi Eugene - I'm editing it right now. There's a LOT more coming on HICKS. We'll start posting these episodes next week.

@@Venture2Roam Great thanks

@@Venture2Roam Let me know once its been released

Will do! If you subscribe and click the notification bell you’ll get notified!!

@@Venture2Roam Yep i am subscribed. Thanks mate

Thank you! We’re having fun working on HICKS V2!

The pin was in the coupler…just had taken it out while adjusting the hitch before we filmed that section. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment!

True. We are replacing it with something closer to a lock and roll.

Thanks for watching and sharing your perspective.

Maybe. We did go back though…and had a heck of a time on the next attempt. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8uSpdiVu9iwmXk.html

Thank you for watching! I love your comment, because I agree with the sentiment, but do not agree we did anything to damage the trails. Chris drives a Rubi and had the auto sway bars disconnected - which means he was driving around 15 MPH. I wouldn't call that careless or reckless. We respect the trail, practice leave no trace, hit the puddle instead of driving around, etc. So please preach on, because we agree with what you're saying...this was truly a freakish bump that hit the trailer just right. Our biggest mistake was making the COG too high on HICKS I think. Thanks again for watching!

Good comment. I SWEAR I wasn’t tearing along. I’m the one everybody has to wait for at the back of the convoy.

You don't need to be driving too fast to unhook a ball hitch off-road. You can do it slow-speed rock crawling as the vehicle and trailer articulate at different angles. And a good sized rock at slow speed can still kick a light trailer sideways. I don't think you should be on here armchair quarterbacking and making assumptions. You weren't there and don't know how fast they were driving. I'm sure they'll get a better hitch and better suspension on the trailer and this will be avoided next time.

That’s an incomplete sentence. 😂

Parental opinions aside, I appreciate you watching the video.

To each their own. Thanks for watching!