We Have A BIG Problem! The RV Hit The Truck! Fulltime RV Living!

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Our 2020 Grand Design Momentum 397-TH was having bed rail clearance issues with our 2020 Ford F350. After a few close calls of the RV crushing the bed rails, we finally did some damage to the bottom of the fifth wheel on the RV when they touched each other. We didn't want to cause more damage to our rig or truck, so after researching different pin boxes, we finally decided on a solution. Watch as we remove the pin box, which is a Lippert Rota-Flex, and upgrade it to the Gen-Y Executive. We complete the 1000-mile break-in that Gen-Y says you should give the hitch and give you our opinion on whether it helped fix our problem or not.
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@PavingNewPaths 11 ай бұрын

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@davidrosenkrantz4854 2 жыл бұрын

I went with the Goosebox, and could not be happier. I never want another fifth wheel hitch in the bed of my truck again. Have been using it for almost 6 years. I have the smoothest and quietest ride, and have had no problems with the air bags or the shock absorbers. It does take a little more time to hook up. I use a 5" adapter that puts the ball back away from the truck cab. The 5" also gives more room between the trailer and the tailgate. Ps. Airbags have been used by trucks for 40 years. I have about 8" bed rail clearance. Love the clear pickup bed. After having 5th. wheels for 40 years, this is the best investment we have ever made. Our Arctic Fox came with a Morride, and we sold it and the dealer put the Goosebox on. Good luck and keep on traveling.. Dave-R

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

I strongly considered the goosebox and the Gen-Y gooseneck hitch! At the end of the day it came down to two things. The airbag and shocks on the goosebox are just one more thing I would need to inspect and check that could fail one day! The other is having to figure out offset ball I would need to move the ball placement around in the truck. Since we already had a fully adjustable B&W fifth wheel hitch in the bed, the Gen-Y pinbox was the best solution for us!

@Hollywoodhouse74 Жыл бұрын

Lol.. probably because the hitch was smarter then u

@jimbernard6112 Жыл бұрын

The correct way to torque a through bolt with a nut is to torque the nut, not the bolt. The bolt has extra friction from where it passes through the holes that will affect the torque reading negatively (actual torque will be less than indicated on the wrench)

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

The bolts are through bolt connection with no rotational force on the shank! So it is acceptable to have the TQ wrench on the bolt or the nut! (If you have to have a back up wrench to keep the bolt from turning then it doesn't matter which side the TQ wrench is on)!

@neilmac4730 Жыл бұрын

@Paving New Paths torque wrench goes on the nut, everytime, never on the bolt. Cheers.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

See above! It has been covered!

@TeeCamp10 10 ай бұрын

@@neilmac4730 I know this is a Gen Y install, but even my Reese Goosebox has the bolts going in from the outside just like in this video and the engineers at Reese also said to put torque wrench on the BOLT side and not on the nut. Big truck Big RV also confirmed this as well. He is doing it the correct way.

@mikethe1nonly 10 ай бұрын

That's was the first thing I thought of when he went to torque the bolts I deal with on my job all the time. There are different applications for different things

@billdennis2993 2 жыл бұрын

Thx PNP for an informative video of a problem many 5vers suffer from. I'm currently on my 3rd 5ver and have had seversl hitch and pinbox combinations including a Anderson Ultimate GN with 5th Airborne Sidewinder combo on my KZ 38' TH while going to remote boon dock sites on FS fireroads with no clearance issues. I currently have a 1T D'max 8' bed dually and Fuzion 40' TH with 4/20k# Reese Goose Box with 2 ball hitches 1 4" forward standard height and 2nd 8" rear of axle 3" higher which gives me 10" clearance of bed rsil to trlr over hang with air bag full on Goose Box for off road clearance. YMMV PS in 3 yrs of usage no air bag leaks in Goosebox but I also never experienced any with the 5th Airborne Reese hitch as well in 4+ years of boon docking on FS roads in the Sierras. Happy Camping PNP.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! This is an issue i see alot of people having but there is no right answer. This is just my solution for what solved my problems.

@Over_the_Hill_RV_Rookies Жыл бұрын

Another great video. Glad you found a solution to your problem. Just joined the RV community with the purchase of a 2021 Montana High Country. Looking forward to creating memories with our family. Grateful to have your channel as a resource for our new adventures. Keep up the good work!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Rving is a great way to travel and see this country!

@brentcates2214 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you did this video! I’m getting ready to purchase a Grand Design and momentum and now I know what setup I want. Thank you!

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! It only seems to be an issue with the 20K drop frame models (376, 397, and the 399). On the G Class and M class models I believe the frame is different and the mounting position of the pin box is lower. The new momentums are now coming with the MORryde pin box, and it does offer more clearance than the Lippert but could still hit in the right circumstances!

@darenm6124 2 жыл бұрын

I am getting a new Momentum 376ths when they get it ready and I am going with the Gen Y goose neck for the reason I like the setup and I still need to be able to Haul a slide in camper and pull a horse trailer when I am not pulling the fifth wheel. I wanted the easy way to do both and the more I watch videos like these I glad I made this choose.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

The Gen-Y is a great choice. The gooseneck was an option, but since we already had the B&W fifth wheel hitch, going with the pin box model was the best choice for us.

@Yabos2 Жыл бұрын

We have a 2021 Grand Design 351m that had an original tongue of a Lippert Roto-plex pin box and BMW hitch. We had very little bed rail clearance just like you except 16K trailer weight. We switched to the MORryde Cushioned 5th wheel pin box and kept the BMW hitch. So far everything is working well. Great video.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you're new setup is working well for you!

@jamesjones2426 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video I have the same problem I've been driving truck for 34 years .... I have a monster 5th wheel like yours ...same type of setup I have a more ride hitch on the front of my trailer ...and a Anderson goose neck for the bed I still hit the bedrails and the tool boxes they're all wasted thousands of dollars have gotten down the drain... now I'll try your hitch the Gen. Y thank you very very much.... I gross out at over 31.000 thousand ..problem I have, I'm concerned on keeping the truck and trailer level and adjusting the airbags also... Please keep on trucking show us more videos... Be safe and have a great day

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! With the Gen Y we were able to gain good bed rail clearance as well as level our trailer. We no longer worry about hitting the bed rails, and the ride has been significantly improved!

@paulschab8152 2 жыл бұрын

Our Curt hitch and Grand Design 336 RLS was fairly close at first. We had to move the 5th wheel hitch head up to last bolt holes. We also have a 2020 F350 6.7 dually.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Our B&W was on the highest setting, and the stock pin box was on the lowest setting. The new Gen Y pin box combined with my B&W gives me 5 inches of adjustability to dial my clearance and ride height in.

@billz410 8 ай бұрын

Good video explaining the problem, and the solution.

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

@propilot366 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for actually giving some helpful information !! Much appreciated !!

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

@MileHighBeach 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your video. We have a 2019 Ford 450, a 2021 GD Momentum 399TH, an OEM Reece hitch. A Moryde/Lippert pinbox. Tonneau cover that has been thrashed and we replaced once. We raised the hitch and thought that would do it. Nope, thrashed again. We called Moryde, they said call Lippert.👉🏻 👈🏻 They guy at Moryde basically said Ford raised the sides of the beds, nobody else got the memo so the standard clearances are off. We had 5-6 inches of clearance and it still scrapes. The side scraping makes it nearly impossible to pull the bed cover closed. We're full time so we need the back of our truck for storage. Glad you got yours resolved! We're still working it out.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Yes its true the bed sides are getting taller. There are alot of scenarios that could have fixed my problem as well as yours. Both the reese goosebox and the gen y gooseneck would work but it would require the 2 inch extended turnover ball from B&W. The stock mor-ryde does offer about 1.5 more inches than the stock lippert but for me that still would have not completely solved my problem. The Gen y pin box was the only one that would give me the clearance i needed. With out moving the fifth wheel hitch the pin box alone added 5 inches of bed rail clearance. So for us it went from 5 inches to 10 inches which was huge. i then dialed the fifth wheel hitch down until camper was level and we currently have 8 inches of bed rail clearance.

@kylekunath6508 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always been told to have gooseneck flatbeds and horse trailers 8”+ so I run about 7-8”on my camper and I never have to worry.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

We have 8 inches now and no longer have to worry!

@John-li6vh 2 жыл бұрын

The whole campground showed up, got to love that.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

In this case we knew them all it was all friends and family that we were camping with! There was however a few guys that we didn't know that came over and wanted to help!

@screamotothecore Жыл бұрын

Have the same issue with our 2020 Solitude 377mbs. The previous owner scrubbed the underside of the trailer pretty hard. Great video, I'll be looking into that hitch for sure. Thanks for the content.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

@jimherring5275 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the info on the Gen Y pin box. I’ve been having a very similar issue with my 2021 Riverstone Reserve 3950FWK and F450 with B&W Companion

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! There are quite a few people that have this issue and there are many ways to solve it. This is just the route I went with, You should look into Gen -Y as a solution.

@jacksonreilly5065 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't have issues with clearance issues but my truck already had a gooseneck so when I bought a toy hauler I looked into either a Reese or a gen y and I went with the gen y I love it so much

@davidlarson7994 Жыл бұрын

Awesome explanation! Thank you for sharing.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

@TellTheTruth1 2 жыл бұрын

Torque wrench goes on the the nut , not the head of the bolt

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

When you have no rotational friction on the bolt it does not matter if the TQ wrench goes on the nut or the bolt! ( If you have to put a back up wrench on it to keep it from spinning it does not matter)

@cwtex59 2 жыл бұрын

I have the Gen-Y gooseneck version for our New Horizons and have no clearance issues. I back in at home downhill and no rubbing . I’m at 23k fully loaded the way I travel. I also have a Roll N Lock bed cover.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Since we have installed the Gen-Y pin box we have not had any clearance issues. I only wish i would have know about Gen-Y sooner i might have gone the gooseneck version route if i didn't already have so much money invested in the B&W.

@cwtex59 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I didn’t have a hitch and was looking at the Reese Goosebox but it didn’t have the weight capacity for our 5thwheel. It’s nice just having a gooseneck ball in the bed of my truck. Good luck and safe travels

@justinotherig 2 жыл бұрын

Thorough Video. Great job.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@user-uz8yf5cj9z 11 күн бұрын

Gen Y is a good idea dude good thinking

@Offroaddisturbance 3 ай бұрын

I love geny trailer hitches too

@PavingNewPaths 3 ай бұрын

They're great! Much better than the stock option we had!

@enterprise59 Жыл бұрын

We have the Reese M5 hitch and the LCI Flex Air + roto flex pin box. Ours was installed by our KZ dealer before we picked up the trailer. 2022 Durnago Gold and a 2022 F350 dully crew cab. I have 7 inches of clearance which makes the front of the trailer sit up 3 inches higher than the back. Not happy with that as it's 13' 6" originally and it's raised our clearance now to 13' 9". I may lower our hitch 2" as it's set to the highest holes. Bed rail clearance at this time is no issue. 41.5 foot trailer, GVWR of 16k

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

The Flex Air by lippert would have fixed out problems but I didn't want another component that required maintenance! Having the shock and the airbag means one day they will need to be replaced or could fail on me! This issue is most prevalent on the 20K and up drop frames! Yours being a 16K it has a different mounting point for the pin box and that mounting location is completely different than what happens when the frames go to the 20K models! If you drop it down to the lowest setting of 5 inches you are going to have clearance issues getting in and out of RV parks!

@davidketterer5519 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I have watched nearly all and thoroughly enjoyed all of them. I am considering upgrading to a 5th wheel and investigating hitch options because I have a SB truck. Many sites i have read said i will need a slider hitch but I think you have a shortbed. Do you every have issues getting to 90 degrees or have any issues with this hitting your bed rails?

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Our problem was bedrail clearance issues on the top. The Gen-Y solved all of that for us! We have a dually so it is a long bed! We can go 90 degrees no problem! If you have a short bed truck the best choice is to get a slider hitch but you still need to watch out when towing, not to make sharp turns as it can hit the cab in the tow position!

@DCBA1234. Жыл бұрын

I have had my GenY Torsion Flex Boss for about 2 years now and it's amazing. It allows the truck and RV to act independently when hitting bumps and other stuff that causes lots of strong force to come into play between the 2. When I tow a John deer trailer with it I barely feel it compared to traditional hitch setups. And it has a lifetime warranty on the torsion arms and its components. Just the hitch and setup weighs just over 100 lbs so it's definitely not light. It's really heavy duty stuff. Lots of people ask me where I got it and how much it was. I'll say it's definitely not cheap. And get to talking about where it's from. Huge suporoter of GenY. Amazing products and amazing customer service. If you can afford it and want an amazingly smooth comfortable ride then you have to try GenY out. They know what they're doing. Heck they make trailer hitches that are rated up to 32,000 lbs. Try em out you won't be disappointed.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We love ours! We initially went to them to help solve our bedrail clearance issues, not only did the Gen-Y pinbox fix our clearance problems but the torsion system is amazing!

@RobertHinkle-ju6iz 3 ай бұрын

Not the case with all Gen-y hitches, they have messed me up twice and I had to pay restocking fee return shipping fee and a custom design fee for which I did not see anything that was custom and still did not work. FYI I think they just charged the custom fee so they could add no returns on custom hitches nothing was custom on hitch. I give them exactly what tongue weight was and first one flex down so much hit bed second one does not flex at all and is as ruff as ride as the factory I replaced with, my wife says this gen-y hitch rides even more ruff than the factory I took off so not everybody has had the same experience with gen-y hitch. I am sure they make some good hitches but not in my case.

@brogan56 Жыл бұрын

That didn't look like a difficult swap out at all. Nice job going through all the what's and why's for your choice.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

It was a very easy swap, it was a lot easier eirh all the help I had from family members! This worked best for us because of all the available adjustment configurations you can achieve now for ride height and bed rail clearance! It had been almost a year now and we no longer worry about bed rail clearance issues!

@mikz86ta1 7 ай бұрын

Easy swap just don't underestimate the weight of the pinbox, any pinbox, but the more complex pinbox the more weight. Not to mention the sharp corners on the RV frame mounting flanges. Hurts to hit your head.....ask me how I know. 😂

@brianbelliveau5551 Жыл бұрын

Good job glad it helped

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

It solved all of our issues as well as gave us a huge range of adjustability for dialing in the ride height!

@endlesspossibilities23 8 ай бұрын

Hi, man I so wish I had your mind. Your thought process is amazing. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. 👋🙂

@PavingNewPaths 8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the video!

@patriot8087 Ай бұрын

Great Video! are there any bushings to wear out over time? Is the Lippert fame built strong enough to be able to endure the change in the center of gravity? You must really have some money tied up in your choice of hitch. Thank You Kindly for the awesome informational video in this subject.

@audiblechaos328 Жыл бұрын

There's a height adjustment on the fifth wheel pinbox as well as the 5th wheel hitch.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We are aware of that! the stock pinbox was on the lowest setting and the fifthwas on the highest setting and we still only had 5 inches of clearance! We explained this in the video that is why we changed the pinbox to gain the needed clearance on our truck!

@m1ll3r86 2 жыл бұрын

I installed the Gen Y gooseneck on my camper. I have the b&w gooseneck ball. I actually use a weighsafe ball with mine. I love the ride of the Gen Y. Before I had a standard pin box and the Andersen hitch. Was a nice setup but it was a rough ride on rough roads.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

We love the Gen-Y for the clearance issues we resolved as well as the added benefit of the torsion system.

@ericcrager3332 2 жыл бұрын

I like the maintenance and repair videos. Bring that Rota-Flex back to Texas and we’ll take it.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

It's already back in Texas! I'm sure we can work something out!

@Masterchief68 2 жыл бұрын

That gen Y hitch is a sweet setup!

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

The Gen -Y has been a life changer for us. We originally only looked at it to solve the clearance issues, however the torsion system has been amazing for the comfort and ride in the truck!

@danielfarmer4311 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent work on your video! Just found your channel and thanks for the awesome content 😎🇺🇸

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@10001694 2 жыл бұрын

Good choice with the Gen-Y. I installed the Gen-Y on my Solitude and then switched it to my 2022 Reflection. I hook it to a goose ball and I tell people the trailer gets the most benefit from the Gen-Y as it absorbs the vibration and the bounce. Good job with the video.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! We feel the Gen-Y was the best solution for our issues!

@gregmckee951 Жыл бұрын

Back your truck under your hitch use your hydraulic floor jack with a piece of plywood and or pieces of 2x4 to support the jack. Unbolt, let the hitch down, pull out, put the new hitch on jack with same bracing, back under hitch, jack hitch up and reattach. I’ve done it a few times all by myself with no problems.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We thought about doing it that way but due to the torsion system and the extra weight on the front of the pinbox we decided it was probably easier to just pick it up and stab it! Especially since we had plenty of family around to help do the job!

@jim8206 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video and thank you

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@roger766 2 жыл бұрын

You mentioned a gooseneck conversion, glad you didn’t go that route. I am on my 4th 5th wheel and am no expert but was told by more than one that 5th wheel frames are not made to be pulled as a gooseneck! You change the geometry and stress points by pulling it lower. Makes sense to me!

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

That is true, it does change the geometry! However lippert has approved the reese goosebox for use on their frames! They have not yet approved the use of the Gen-Y gooseneck version!

@kevink4914 Жыл бұрын

You are so very correct on they are not designed for gooseneck. If you look at the design of a flat bed gooseneck you will see why. Totally different design then a camper hitch. Luckily I have the ability to adjust the height of fifth wheel hitch on the camper as well as truck hitch .

@enterprise59 2 жыл бұрын

Might look into a Western Hauler set up or one like it. Never worry about bed rail clearance again AND plenty of storage compartments. Would love one for our new truck but can't afford it just yet.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

That was our next step if we ever damaged the bed! The Gen-Y solved our issues and allowed us to keep the bed!

@mikz86ta1 7 ай бұрын

Interesting. Our old truck was a 11 Sierra and had a prior installed hitch with rails. Our new truck a 16 F350 had the puck mounts and I had kept the old trucks 5er hitch. Bought the Ford/Reese adapter that puck mounts and allows old style Hitches with rails and pins to be mounted. The hitch has 3 crossbolt adjustments kinda similar to the pinbox. Originally in the Sierra it was in the middle and was just shy of bed rail level. In the F350 it was sticking just above bed rail level. Not to mention I have a Roll n Lock in the F350. The puck adapter raised it quite a bit so I had to drop the hitch down to the lowest settings on the cross bolts. It fits just under the path of the RnL Cover and I have ample clearance right now bed sides. I want to dump the old hitch and the adapter since together they are a monster to remove and install. In favor of a Resse/Ford direct pick style. But I fear this same clearance issue. I do think my pinbox has one more 'drop' cross bolts setting I could do. But not sure. For reference my Fuzion TH came with a MorRyde pinbox

@PavingNewPaths 7 ай бұрын

If you truck is a 2016 model you are fine they didn't start making the bed rails taller on trucks until 2017 models! If it were me I would just get a B&W companion for your truck and be done with it! They are the best hitches out there, and will lock and unlock in almost any position or angle!

@pthreeinspectors 2 жыл бұрын

I have a momentum 399th and I installed an Anderson ultimate 5th wheel with the locks for the retailer and have had 0 issues. I think it's a great setup and I can remove it from the bed of my truck in less than 5 minutes as it only weighs about 65 lbs. Have a safe one, happy travels!

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Yes the guys with the Anderson hitch tend to have a little more clearance with the stock pin boxes due to the adapters you have to install on the pin box its self. If I were to do it all over again I would consider all components prior to purchasing anything to ensure I would not have this problem from day one!

@Titanlessmatt 2 жыл бұрын

I bent my kingpin plate with the anderson. Went to gen y. In my option the anderson is great for trailers under 15k. I would keep an eye on it.

@pthreeinspectors 2 жыл бұрын

@@Titanlessmatt yeah you need the lockout bars on there cause the plate is designed to move. I haven't had any issues so far. And also, no matter what system you use at the end of the day its about inspecting our rigs and making sure we're keeping our families and other drivers on the road safe. We can't be lazy and just hook up and go, especially for us towing the biggins. Safe travels to all!!

@Beercheesesoup 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been a rv tech for 7 years and refuse to install the Anderson’s. I’ve installed about 300-400 hitches in trucks from 1991-2021. Anderson’s fail on big units like this and it can kill you. Type in Anderson 5th wheel hitch on google images and over half of the pictures are of them failing. Sounds like he’s on the exact right track with the gen y pin box.

@Bruinzfan 5 ай бұрын

Great videos. Thank you! Just out of curiosity...Did you ever measure the height of your unit to the top of the A/C when ready for travel? I have found on my trucks, ( all with air bags, I own an Rv transport business.) I found especially with the Momentums, DRVs, and other mid to high end FWs, its real easy to end up over 13'6". Even with my personal Solitude a 380FL, if inflated off of the overloads to preload height, I end up at 13'8" to 13'10". Here in the Northeast, that could get me in trouble fast!

@PavingNewPaths 5 ай бұрын

Thanks! We are 13'6" at the top of the AC units!

@fiveowaf454 8 ай бұрын

I read somewhere that the bed sides of the newer trucks are taller than in the past, this could mean the setups of hitches are too low. I personally think 5" is tight for the clearance between the bed rail and the RV.

@PavingNewPaths 8 ай бұрын

You are correct 2017 and newer trucks are 2 inches taller bed rails on all 3 brands! This combined with certain pinboxes can cause major issues!

@mbrown1519 2 жыл бұрын

I have the Gen Y gooseneck on my DRV and I have a 2020 Ford 450 I also went with a taller ball in the bed of the truck to increase my clearance to 8". Truck and trailer are level have only towed about 200 miles with it. So far very happy main reason I went with this the mor ride pinbox I had on my old fifth wheel. In a tight level turn the backside of the pin box would get into the bed rails of the truck..

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I never had that problem with the lippert rota-flex. Mine was always the top of the bed rails or the tailgate was smashing into the bottom of the camper. We didn't know that was a problem until we headed out west, from Florida to Arizona we were fine, once we headed north into Utah and beyond the RV park entraces got more challenging with angles and slopes.

@skoffco Жыл бұрын

What size taller and make ball are you using on your F450 with the Gen Y?

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

B and W makes a ball with different rise and offsets to help with adjustments!

@desertdan100 2 ай бұрын

The problem is that all the new trucks are too tall and no one has enough clearance anymore. 20 years ago this was not a problem. There needs to be a minimum of 8 inches between the camper and bed rail or more but that is impossible with newer campers and trucks. I have been around RVs all of my life and helped my Dad set them up in the past for our own and other peoples rigs. It used to be that you could adjust the height of your camper to maintain clearance to your truck. When I was a kid years ago I helped my dad adjust the axles on our Holiday Ramble 5th wheel camper. It was a monster and you needed a dually to tow it. We adjusted the pin box and the supports that sat on top of the axle leaf springs. We raised the camper 4 inches above the axles higher up and adjusted the pin box down and the angle to shift the weight to level out the rig to the truck. We had 10 inches of space between the truck box rails and the bottom of the camper. it allowed the camper to clear and roll going though dips and ditches as well as climbing up over and onto roads and highways and in and out of drives into stations and parking lots. It seems manufacturers have forgotten the past or a new generation can't figure out simple issues.

@twallaceii 2 жыл бұрын

That was awesome.! I saw my truck and trailer 🤩

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

🥰

@mikef5507 20 күн бұрын

Suggestion I always refer to is “the thumb up rule” for in between the bed rail and fifth wheel. I also put a 4-6’ level inside the camper on the floor to determine actual true ride level. Best way to determine weight distribution is to run through a scale to determine what you actually have over each axle…. To little on the steer axle and you float steer. Camper dealers who actually take the time to correctly setup a hitch will prevent customers from having to diy their hitch parts to determine the right setup. Also make sure you match pin boxes before swapping, I went through 3 pin boxes on a buddies fifth wheel and his mega cab setup before Lippert confirmed his trailer was fitted from the factory with an extended pin box (7” longer between center on pin locations) vs the ones he was originally sold. After installing the right pin box he did not need a slider hitch in his mega cab being he need 4” of extra pin distance vs the 7”.

@OOMAN 2 жыл бұрын

I have the same issue with my '19 F-450 hauling my Jayco Seismic 4113 toy hauler (45' long, 20k). I'm running the Mor/Ryde rubber pin box, and using a Reese M5 27k hitch. I have plenty of adjustment to be able to go up, but the biggest problem I have is that the overall height of the camper is already at 13'6" at the front AC, so raising the front end isn't an option. I was thinking about putting the front AC in the garage, and getting a low profile unit for the front to give me a couple more inches of clearance, but I also have concerns about the tail dragging if I go any higher on the nose. I used to pull an older 31' Damon Escaper 5th wheel camper, which was definitely not designed to run behind a truck this high. The way I resolved the issue on that unit was to "flip" the axles, reinforce the suspension, and install the CRE3000 equalizers to give myself 7" of additional height at the trailer axles. That did the trick without having to run nose high. Again, not an option when I'm already at 13'6" on the Seismic... Big rig problems...

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

For us our truck is a 2020 and ford lowered them, so we were nose down. However with the lippert pin box and B&W I was at the max adjustment on both and still only had 5 inches. When I took my measurements a 1 inch increase in the front only dropped the rear 1/2 inch.

@jamesglenn520 2 жыл бұрын

I had the Gen-Y Gooseneck hitch installed on my new Alliance Valor 40v13 before I ever picked it up. I have a 2021 3500 Ram longbox Duelly with the Ram Air rear suspension and the truck and trailer are flat and rides like a dream 👍😉

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Before Gen-Y we had minimal bed rail clearance, the trailer was towing nose down and the ride was horrible. We originally looked at Gen-Y to solve our bed rail clearance issues and to level the trailer. The ride however compared to a stock pinbox is a night and day difference!

@mfaulguy Жыл бұрын

What ball do you use? Standard or high rise?

@jamesglenn520 Жыл бұрын

@@mfaulguy I am using the B&W Gooseneck set. It comes with the safety chain anchors and the ball with the release handle. Simple and cleaner to use than anything else on the market. Flip the handle and lift out the ball. You don't have to touch the greasy ball to release it 👍

@BrewCityRider 8 ай бұрын

On the 25K B&W Companion I just purchased and installed there is no setting to go "behind the axle" on a Ford. The two options are 3 inches in front or 1 inch in front of the axle. I'm running 1 inch in front for the extra tailgate clearance when hitching up.

@PavingNewPaths 8 ай бұрын

My truck came with no tow prep so when I was deciding on if I was going to get the puck system or a B&W turn over ball system it came down to the adjustments in the fifth wheel hitch! With the puck system you are left with what you have only two adjustments! With the B&W turn over ball and the B&W companion that works with it you can actually go 4 inches fwd and 4 inches behind the axle for a total of 8 inches of adjustments! I made a video about each position and how it changed the weight on the truck! You can see it here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f5dmhtt2trDKcXU.htmlsi=o3wSUzzDw8a8eILi

@BrewCityRider 8 ай бұрын

Ok thanks for the explanation. I have the factory fifth wheel and gooseneck prep, so if I was interested in the system you have, does that work with my factory gooseneck ball?

@PavingNewPaths 8 ай бұрын

@@BrewCityRider I believe it only works if you have the B&W turn over ball system installed on the frame under the bed, this would be in place of your factory gooseneck ball!

@santiagojimenez8912 Жыл бұрын

I really learned when I used to have my fifth wheel toy hauler that I really need like a lease 9 inches of clearance The problem happened to a few of my friends

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We run 8 inches now since we installed the new pinbox! We hardly ever worry about hitting anymore! But there are still times is does come close!

@John-dn5yu 2 жыл бұрын

I run GenY on my bumper pull and gooseneck horse trailers, great product

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

It is a very good product!

@filitamayo 2 жыл бұрын

Thank for sharing I couldn't buy a 5th wheel cuase i have a 7 in lift on my truck . Wish i had seen this before buying my bumper pool🤷‍♂️

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

I think up to a 4 inch lift you might be ok with out having to address the camper being nose high! Most guys with lifted trucks end up flipping the trailer axles from top to bottom giving them about 3 more inches of height on the trailer! Could be a solution to your lifted truck problem! Lifted trucks I think are fine if you only pull the camper a few times a year! But if you pull it regularly I would definitely want a stock height truck, you could even put 35's on it and still get by!

@mariobrothers8348 2 жыл бұрын

I have the flex air pin box with the air bag and I never had an issue with it. I can deflate the airbag if I have clearance isues on the height under wires and I can put air back in to adjust the clearance for my bed. Also if I load the rv too much I can put more air to make it ride smooth.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

The flex air pin box was my choice until I found the Gen-Y pin box. I didn't want something else I would have to remember to check or maintain. Also I was afraid if the airbag was to fail I would not be able to move with out repairing!

@richardh5430 2 жыл бұрын

i always worried about it and asked many salesman to them saying you "wouldn't have a problem". the other thing I noticed was that some pin boxes are longer then others and can have bed side clearance issues. i have had to lower the tailgate on some crossings for clearance. After taking out my tailgate i fixed my issue for good by going to a western hauler bed and have loved it ever since.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

We didnt have issues the first 6 months but its because we stayed on flat ground in Florida and Texas. Once we started heading out west our problem became a big deal. I looked at the flat bed option but was only going down that road if i ended up destroying my bed.

@johnneedy3164 2 жыл бұрын

I'll tell YA when I was a RV mechanic was told to mind my own business and keep my mouth shut ,if I want a job,GODS TRUTH ,this issue has been around a looooog time im 72 started in rvs in 1972,love ya drive safe ,keep GLAMPING

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

I see this issue daily when we travel! It gets worse with the bigger/heavier campers! It comes down to fifthwheel hitch and pinbox combinations that make all the difference! For us we went with the Gen-Y pinbox because it was the only one that would give us more than we needed, then we could lower the fifthwheel hitch to dial in the ride height!

@SemiReTired Жыл бұрын

Great info. Thats a massive camper

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@onthegowithlolmaugh 2 жыл бұрын

It is all about bed clearance which can be obtained in multiple ways. Have you thought about if your adjusted your rotoflex down a notch. Just because they had 6 bolts doesn’t meant that is the reaquirment. As your raise the trailer you need to verify level and what level you good with being out of level. Trucks are taller which makes it tougher. Love my Goosebox.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

The stock lippert rota flex only had 5 bolts per side and was on the lowest setting. Per lippert that is the required bolts to maintain a 20k rating for my frame and pinbox. In 2020 the superduty were lowered 2 inches compared to the 2017-2019 years. Because of this we were towing nose down prior to the install. The Gen-Y allowed us to get 8 inches of bed rail clearance and let us level the trailer!

@TellTheTruth1 2 жыл бұрын

If your trailer is riding level just add lift blocks to ur trailer axles and raise your 5th wheel hitch in the bed of your truck to match. That’s what I did . Now I have plenty of clearance. By just raising your pin box the back of your trailer will loose clearance when and possibly drag when going in and out of driveway.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

We put alot of time and research into this issue! Our stock setup we lowered the rota-flex pinbox to the lowest setting and Fifth wheel hitch was on the highest setting, this gave us only 5 inches of bed rail clearance! The problem is only a big deal on the 20K drop frame trailers with a lippert Rota-Flex pin box from the factory! It also depends on what year truck you have, pre 2017 you would be fine after 2017 all brands raised the bed rails by 2 inches! We cannot raise the trailer as it would put our A/C units taller than 13'6"! Our truck is a 2020 and that year Ford lowered the Superduty suspension by 2 inches, so we were towing nose down and had room to give to level the trailer as the back end was the highest pioint! The Gen-Y pinbox gave us 10 inches when installed and we were able to level the trailer by lowering the fifth wheel hitch. We now have 8 inches of bedrail clearance and all three A/C units are the same height, before the install the since we were nose down the rear A/C was the highest point on the camper!

@stacylefler86 Жыл бұрын

Just a heads up when you torque a bolt and nut, if you can use the torque wrench on the nut side if you use the bolt head add 10%.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Also if it a through bolted connection with no rotation friction then it does not matter which side the tq wrench is on!

@foreverfixin 2 жыл бұрын

Good video buddy I'm more expensive option would have been to switch to a halt bed with the added safety of a headache rack

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! At the rate we were hitting our bed rails and tailgate I had already looked into one of those beds. I was sure one day i would find myself in a situation that would really damage the bed to the point of replacement. For us we really need the bed for out activites when were not pulling the camper.

@daboo7725 2 жыл бұрын

All these new trucks sit way to high,,not sure what the manufactures are thinking. I install hitches at work all the time and always caution my customers about bed rail clearance. It's not just RV'S, some stock trailers using a gooseneck style hitch also get into bed sides. I personally have a 2004 Chevy 3500, Duramax 4 X 4 w/ dual rear wheels and a Western Hauler body. Yes it's pretty much a full time pull rig w/o a regular bed, but I have plenty of clearance !

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Since about 2017 all manufacturers have been increasing the bed depth and its causing issues that I never thought i would have to deal with.

@daboo7725 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths And keep in mind, as you change hitch and pin box locations to gain clearance to the bed rails,,,you want to try and keep the trailer level so as not to overload one axle and thus the tires causing blowouts. Just FYI

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

@@daboo7725 We were actually a little nose down before the upgrade. Now we have the trailer sitting level and still have 8 inches of bed rail clearance!

@daboo7725 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths Good deal. Be careful with very back corner of bed on steep approaches, otherwise sounds like ya got it dialed in.

@michaelfink2070 2 жыл бұрын

Yup, that's the real problem. My '19 F450 looks like a monster truck it so high. Yeah, I suppose it "looks cool", but people buying big duallys are generally doing that to haul, and they are so high that there are problems like this. Even my GN dump trailer, I have to be careful and it rides nose high because of the ridiculous truck height. The dump trailer I could fix easily by adding some height to it at the frame, the RV, I can't do that because it's already at max legal height (13'6").

@ATLJonathanH 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t want to run nose-high either. Or nose-low. Your tires, axles, pin box, hitch, and truck height all need to be coordinated so that you have both good clearance and run level.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

We left it slightly nose high during the 1000 mile break in period as there is some settling of the pin box during this time. We have since adjusted it to run level and we still maintain 8 inches of clearance. When I say slightly nose high, It was one inch higher in the front than in the back, this is not visible to the eye and could only be verified by measuring the camper roof to the ground in the front and the back! Over 44 Feet I would still call that pretty level.

@nickstorbakken9402 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths That is definitely level enough just don't buy a new truck. They are at least 3 inches taller bedrails than your current measurement. Mine sits at 58 inches tall, which required me to put a lift kit on the fifth wheel to be within 1 inch of level.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

@@nickstorbakken9402 In 2020 the Ford lowered the superduty 2 inches over the 2017-2019 models! That was another intersting piece of info i learned when trying to sort out the best way to fix our problem.

@slothhikersofalberta7056 2 жыл бұрын

Very similar issues! 19 F350 and 2011 Montana with the Moryde. Had to drop the pinbox a hole, and raise the 5th wheel higher. Still gotta watch the inside if I turn too tight! My understanding is that newer ford's have higher and thicker bed rails. 🤷‍♂️

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Yes all trucks now have taller bed rails, the Fords are 1.5 inches taller. If i had the morryde I probably could have managed. You should look into the Gen-Y pin box we never worry about hitting and the suspension system is amazing.

@slothhikersofalberta7056 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths definitely gonna look into it, but im canadian and exchange rates are horrible! We also just got a seasonal site, so might not need to replace it. We will see! Looks beefy for sure!

@toniiflorrez5074 2 жыл бұрын

90% of welding trucks have 5th wheel behind the axle, not a single problem, pulling bigger trailers than yours, you’ll be fine

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

I tried it 2 inches forward, right over the axle and 2 inches behind, because I wanted to know! And for me any my trailer 2 inches behind was the best ride for both the trailer and truck!

@avalon1rae 2 жыл бұрын

Wow money money money. Great advice and thanks again.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! The cost of the Pin Box is cheap when compared to the damage we were going to cause to the truck bed or the bottom of the camper!

@SSgtBlueUSMC0369 Жыл бұрын

I would have just changed out the 5th wheel hitch. This is why I love my Demco hitch. It’s amazing and it slides with ease. My camper is also 20k too.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

The fifth wheel hitch is not the issue! The size of the bed rails are! We don't need a slider as we are not hitting the cab we are hitting the top of the bedrails! This only is a problem with 20k trailers built on a drop frame that come from the factory with a lippert rota-flex pinbox when used with a 2017 or newer truck from any brand! There are many 20k trailers out there not built on a drop frame and that changes everything as far as clearances go the mounting point of the pinbox is different and you would have plenty of clearance! If ours came with the morryde pinbox we would never had to change either as it is 2 inches taller!

@SSgtBlueUSMC0369 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths First off there is not need to get wound up. I understand what you are saying and agree with you 100% but there is something you are clearly missing here. The reason I said this hitch specifically is because it eliminates your issues all together and while getting the added Benefits of the sliding hitch. I wish I could show you a pic of the height of the plate in my truck because this was a major concern for me as I have a short bed Mega cab truck. This was the answer for both the height and also it getting into the cab corners and I’ll tell you it works wonders. I’m glad you got yours worked out. Question how much was it to swap the pin box out? Thanks 🙏

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Your Demco is the same height as my B&W they are adjustable from 15 1/2 inches to 18 1/4 inches! There is no height gained by changing the hitch! This is a very specific issue caused by a certain frame and pinbox combinations! If you don't have the issue be thankful, but this video was made for those who do! If your RV is 20k and you don't have clearance issues its because you likely don't have a drop frame model, and if it is a drop frame your's came with the morryde pinbox or a non cushioning standard pinbox! The reason we went with the Gen-Y over all other choices is because when installed in the same position as the stock pinbox it added 5 inches of extra clearance giving me options on ride height adjustments! All other choices only gave me 2 inches max! I was then able to dial the camper in to level while still having 8 inches of clearance! The pinbox cost me around $1300, but we sold the stock pinbox to help with cost so a little less than 1k to fix this!

@tsilveira5866 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@kellyburdette6108 Жыл бұрын

Good job 👏 👍

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@gcc8584 2 ай бұрын

Wow look at that frame flex at 15:15 🤩

@PavingNewPaths 2 ай бұрын

The trailer was definitely taking a beating with the stock pinbox! We feel the Gen-Y actually saved our trailer and is the reason it lasted as long as it did!

@robertheinkel6225 2 жыл бұрын

I did see one other solution. The individual cut the top four inches of his truck bed off. A bit radical, but effective.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Haha! That would make it work!

@Truthseeker722 Жыл бұрын

We have a 2500 HD Chevy Silverado factory wheels tires shirt bed. Purchased Sabre 5th wheel 40’ long had them install gen Y . Husbands been pulling equipment grader etc all his life with CDL’s . We just took our first camping trip and now have a damage bed because of clearance ! My Husband had a feeling and even mentioned the clearance looking short but they said at the place where we purchased it and bought the gen y when it was installed that it looked short 🤦‍♀️

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

You need at least 6 minimum and that would still hit on very steep driveways! We have 7.5 and it is fine! You need to make sure you don't raise it too much as you will be towing nose high and the rear will be lower and could drag the ground! With a short bed you need to be mindful of hitting your truck cab when making sharp turns!

@Propnut48 10 ай бұрын

The problem with the new trucks is the beds sides are getting taller. On my 2001 truck I had 8” clearance. On my 2019 I have 4.5”. Same trailer and hitch. It’s all in the name of cooling in the front having a taller grille and the bedside are made to match the height ( for looks).

@PavingNewPaths 10 ай бұрын

Yes, this is precisely what caused our issue, which it was important we change out our hitch before causing major damage.

@theodorecarbajal2975 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and nice setup 👍

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! We love the Gen -Y so far.

@susanyoder5427 2 жыл бұрын

We Had a Teton and we had to put a 4” lift kit on the trailer to get the clearance we needed.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! We are already 13'6" so a lift kit was not an option for us!

@jd3953 2 жыл бұрын

Try and do a follow up review of the Gen Y pin box.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Good idea, I will work on a follow up review.

@williamgates4399 2 жыл бұрын

WOW! 150 ft-lbs. Per bolt. That is the torque on my hitch head for my travel trailer.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thats what the spec sheet calls for it is rated for 20k lbs.

@rvfamilylife 2 жыл бұрын

I have a similar, but slightly different issue. We bought our setup truck and RV from the previous owner. He built out the F-250 to look really sweet, like an off-roading truck with big 37 inch tires, 2.5 inch lift in the front and AirLift 7500 air bags in the back. Problem is the RV isn't level, points up in the front. The metal gang box on the back of the hitch, where the 7-pin wire goes into the RV comes into contact with the bed rail if I turn too sharp. There are a lot of situations I should be able to back a Fifth Wheel in at 90 degrees, and I cannot, or I will tear up the bed rail.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Your level situation is hard to fix on a lifted truck! Most guys end up flipping the trailer axles from on top of the leaf springs to below to solve this issue but you have to be aware your total trailer height will change by about 3 inches! The back of your pinbox hitting the bed rails at tight turns will require you to figure out what pin box will work as you likely need a shorter one!

@rvfamilylife 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I had debated lifting the RV, it can handle the height. I can handle the height, Except for... the outdoor kitchen. Currently I'm the only one that can reach the outdoor sink to wash hands outside without a stool. So I'm not sure lifting the RV is a good idea. I may have to explore different pin box as you suggested.

@bertfrey1069 2 жыл бұрын

I,ve got a GEN-Y Executive Hitch on my Grand Design Reflection 5th wheel. Lots of trouble hooking up. If the camper and truck are not both level or on a different slope.If the front of your tow vehicle is raised higher than the wheels on the camper you,ll have one heck of a time getting the hitch to lock . The pin bearing plate has a slope to the front and prevents proper engaging with the locking jaw on my Reese hitch. I called Gen-Y to discuss the problem I,m experiencing, & they just blow me off. I sent them pictures of the pin sitting on top of the locking jaw , but they have yet to acknowledge a problem. Tows beautifully once you get it hitched up properly but I,m concerned that sometime I,m going to have unhitched in a camp site that is impossible to get hooked back up. My driveway is a prime example of the issue. Drive way has a slope up to the house and the my truck is on a level street when I hook up. Usually takes 5 or six or more tries get the camper to exactly the right height so the hitch will lock in place.If you have the trailer height too low it will simply dig into the hitch. Raise the trailer a bit to much & it will ride up on top of the locking devise. You also need have the truck & trailer perfectly straight in line. Come at it from an angle & you will not get it to connect. Design of the bearing plate needs to be redesigned so it will engage easier on my Reese hitch and GMC 2500 truck. But it sure does tow nice once your over the frustration of trying to get the darn thing to hook up. Good luck with yours.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

This is why I kept my B&W fifth wheel hitch and did not go the gooseneck route. The B&W is the easiest hitch to hook up. No matter the angle or height I have never had a problem hitching or unhitching. You should look at getting one, it takes us 5 minutes to go from ready to hitch to ready to go down the road.

@krisreid6647 5 ай бұрын

Love your videos man! I'd love to be able to travel as much as you guys. What do you do for a living?

@PavingNewPaths 5 ай бұрын

We both made good financial choices with our money when we started working out of college! That allowed us the opportunity to do things we want to do, and right now our income comes from youtube and social media! Something we both never would have tried if we didn't have a safety net to let us try something new!

@donhediger5072 2 жыл бұрын

Did you end up with the breakaway switch horizontal facing the truck? if it's vertical the plastic pin might break instead of pulling out and turning on the brakes

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

The breakaway switch is now facing forward! When we installed the new pin box the cable was on the short side so we faced it down, until we were able to make a new cable that was long enough.

@ZeebNinja 2 жыл бұрын

Good job!!

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@barrylenoble6705 2 жыл бұрын

2006 Kodiak c4500 RV hauler No big higher else to worry about

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

I would love something like that!

@myautobrain Жыл бұрын

Great video. But mounting behind the rear axle will affect safety due to improper weight distribution.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I also did a video about where the fifth wheel plate is according to the rear axle and it doesn't matter each inch is only 25lbs transfered between axles! You can check it out here! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f5dmhtt2trDKcXU.html

@markmapel 3 ай бұрын

What rear air bags are you using for your dually. I’m having trouble finding a set for a 2023 F350 dually. Thanks

@PavingNewPaths 3 ай бұрын

We are using the airlift 7500 amzn.to/49OXnbB

@Type1Detour 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, the beginning of the video was putting me on the edge of my seat to see if it was going to scratch up the 5W

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

We did crack it bad once, and touched really bad numerous other times. However most of those times we were leaving the RV Park and were in the Highway or dealing with traffic. Due to that we were never able to film the ones that hurt!

@stevemitchell238 2 жыл бұрын

Its simple put a hyd lift pin hitch so you can lift to get clearance for your turns

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Installing the Gen-Y hitch solved our clearance issues!

@ryanhoffman647 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this!!! I have been beating my head against the wall trying to find a solution to this problem!!! I’m in the exact same boat. I will be ordering a Gen Y! 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

I am glad I could help you out! Alot of research was done to figure out why it was happening and what could be done to fix the issue! It is a very specific combination that becomes a big problem if you get off of flat ground! There are probably more combinations out there. but for me I found it was a 20K lbs and up drop frame RV's with a Lippert Rota-Flex pin box when used with a 2017 or newer truck! Give Gen-Y a call they know exactly what your dealing with and will get fixed up!

@reaper0589 2 жыл бұрын

At my dealership we aim for 6 inches of space between the bed rails and the unit, we also go through all options, and recommend the best set up per truck, we do not stream line anything. Ultimately it is up to the customer, but we do our due diligence so that this does not happen.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

We had 5 1/2 inches and we had no problem down south where its relatively flat. It was not until we hit colorado we started having problems! We now have around 8 inches and no longer worry about hitting!

@reaper0589 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths Im located in WI, and its also pretty flat here also lol. Bad thing is we can do our best on the service side of it all to get the customer want they need/want for their use. We do have alot that tend to go with the anderson style set up. We also deal alot with the turning point for those who have shortbeds. I'm glad to see you guys have solved your issue, this is why I surf youtube on these subjects time to time, helps us techs, help newer owners so they hopefully do not encounter these issues, or atleast educate at the very least so they are aware before the issue arises.

@rcmike38 2 жыл бұрын

Just move your pin box to the lower holes on the mounting . I did that on my 19 f350 dually towing a 42 foot toy hauler. Never a problem again.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

The stock pin box was lowered to to bottom holes and we still only had 5 inches of clearance!

@stevefriedman4877 2 жыл бұрын

My Demco Recon 21k is adjustable and i leave it set with camper 8 inches over bed rails and never an issue.

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

My B&W is also adjustable, and with it on the highest setting and my stock lippert pin box on the lowest setting the most clearance I could achieve was 5.5 inches. This is only an issues with 20k drop frame models from Grand Design and 24k drop frames from DRV when paired with a 2017 or newer truck.

@jimcaldwell5736 2 жыл бұрын

Now you should think of a morryde system on your axles

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Our trailer came with the lippert Equa-Flex equalizers from the factory which we felt were acceptable. We did upgrade the system with the Morryde wet bolts and heavy duty shakles, and we added the morryde cross braces!

@scottfike2500 2 жыл бұрын

The break away switch needs to point forward NOT DOWN

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Good catch, the reason we left it down was the break away cable was a little short. We have already replaced the break away cable with a longer one and adjusted the switch to face forward.

@scottfike2500 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths we have same B&W companion 30k rated. How do you like the gen Y?

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

So far it has been great. We were after bed rail clearance when we got it. The torsion suspension system has been a great added benefit. If you get one you need to go scale your truck and then your trailer, and know your pin weight. Thats how they decide what model you need.

@Official.Yegmtb Жыл бұрын

Just a suggestion a trailer saver hitch might help with the roughness and maybe some rear air bags on the truck could help smooth things out. Just an idea

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We have airbags on the truck! The camper did not ride rough with the stock pinbox! A hitch change would not fix this as all brands have roughly the same adjustable heights 15 1/2 to 18 1/2 Inches off the bed floor! We needed bed rail clearance and it was only solved by changing the pinbox! We went with the Gen-Y because it offered the biggest gain and most adjustments! The torsion system was just a bonus!

@bragaanderson 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! Are you having a similar issue?

@kevink4914 Жыл бұрын

Glad you didn’t go with a gooseneck. Camper frames are not designed with extra supports that the gooseneck needs. They are lot lower hookup point causes Leverage on camper frame. You can see the extra support on a flat bed gooseneck trailer and you will see what in mean with 😉 I got lucky with mine I have adjustable height on truck hitch and camper pin box.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

Ours was also adjustable the fifth wheel plate can be adjusted from 15 1/2 inches to 18 1/4! The stock pinbox was also lowered to the lowest setting and that only gave us 5 1/2 inches of clearance! The problem comes from the drop frame design and the mounting position of the pinbox! The lippert rota-flex does not have any drop from the mounting point so it is very tight! If our camper came with the morryde we might have never had an issue! The Gen-Y gave us 10 inches of clearance and we could make adjustments on the pinbox and the fifth wheel to dial in the ride height!

@kevink4914 Жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths gotcha on yeah mine has little more height adjustment limit on trailer then you have. As well as the new setup you installed is still far closer than a gooseneck would be to trailer pin box mounting point.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

@@kevink4914 We went with the pinbox over the gooseneck because it allowed us to be able to adjust both components giving us so many combinations to dial it in! The gooseneck conversion besides the extra stress didn't add much clearance without having to go to B&W to get balls with an offset rise in them!

@Dukemeistro 2 жыл бұрын

Good job, with one exception: nothing's maintenance free except the stink on 💩! 🤣

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

You are correct nothing is maintenance free! But with the Gen-Y there is no Airbag or shock absorber that you need to maintain and adjust.

@Dukemeistro 2 жыл бұрын

@@PavingNewPaths I'm curios, why did you go with a 5th Wheel over a regular tow-behind travel trailer, or a motor home?

@PavingNewPaths 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dukemeistro Because we are living full time with two kids and a dog so we wanted the most room possible. Plus we needed alot of space for our adventure vehicle.

@RobertHinkle-ju6iz 3 ай бұрын

Glad you had a good experience with gen-y hitch but my experience with there hitch has been the total opposite. I even had to pay a restocking fee for what I feel was there mistake and pay extra to correct the problem with the new one from them which ended up did not correct anything. Now I have a very expensive heavy paper weight I am stuck with from gen-y hitch

@PavingNewPaths 3 ай бұрын

Oh no, we hate to hear that! Have you been in contact with them on the phone? They were so helpful to us, but that was a few years ago

@deliveryguy7402 Жыл бұрын

What you do is, you pull the fith wheel out the truck and put spacer bars between the bed and the fith wheel. I'd use about a 4 inch spacer bar and longer bolts.

@PavingNewPaths Жыл бұрын

We have a B&W Companion hitch that slides into the turnover ball socket in the bed! Adding spacers not only would not work it would be extremely unsafe when pulling a 20,000 camper! Our solution was to go with the Gen-Y pin box because not only does it solve our clearance issues with room for adjustment, but it is also designed to handle up to 30,000lbs with no additional components or items needed!