This style of Ike gauntlet showing the gauges and rpm etc in real time is far superior to the ike product you have been providing the past few years. This is more in line with your original Ike videos from years ago. Excellent work and thankyou

Kase is such a refreshing addition to the team. I know he’s been behind the camera for a while now but he’s so laid back and extremely knowledgeable, he’s a pleasure to have in front of the camera. Andre and Kase make a great duo.

You should do a video on how You set the gain on a trailer that you never towed in the past. So many People just guess and go from seat of the pants feel of aggressiveness. Better to take the minute to do it right.

Thanks TFL for re-conducting the test to make sure the new Tundra was given a fair chance to use the Tow/Haul + feature.

I’m very happy with this result. Very quiet, low rpms, lots of power when needed, never went below the speed limit and was smooth and planted on the test. These are all things I look for in a towing rig. I think they did a great job, giving Toyota owners and other truck buyers a truck that will do what they ask of it on a regular basis.

I would like to see some towing tests with Travel Trailers, as they present a much different profile and towing characteristics.

Have Case on here permanently!!! He is very knowledgeable, calm, and unbiased!!!!

Team TFL, As a long time subscriber from north of the border, I want to thank you for the shout out to our All-Canadian Truck King channel. I will also commend you for the "Paid Promotion" icon in the corner which so many KZfaq channels 'forget' to include . In regard to engine braking, I suspect that is another case where there is simply no replacement for displacement.

This is exactly why TFL is the best on KZfaq. Going through all the effort to give the viewers what they want and re-run the ike.

I can't wait until you do 3.5 Ecoboost vs Tundra. mano a mano!

Thanks guys, this is the kind of test I've been waiting for ever since they announced the new tundra. Nothing really matters until the towing test!

Great video guys, love this style of video. Love the detailed techy conversation only Kase and Andre can have. Great job guys. Andre you should put Kase in more of these.

Kase is moving up at TFL and it's easy to see why. The kid knows his stuff. Y'all keep up the great work!

I just purchased this truck, all the same except mine is black. I’m not in a mountainous area, but tow roughly 9300lbs. I did install a tranny cooler, nothing fancy ( B&M) I never see temps above195 degrees in the warmer days but I didn’t own it in the dead of summer. After retiring my first gen with over 500K I am a strong Toyota supporter. I maintain all my own vehicles, probably a bit excessive but I never had to replace the engine ,transmission , transfer, front/rear axles or gears. I expect this one to perform (already has) better in all aspects, now it’s down to see if I can get 20years and 500k miles out of a V6turbo engine with routine maintenance

Great job with the detailed camera angles, info.. TFLTruck, the best truck channel no question

I'd like to see a summer tow test when the temps are higher there when people actually tow there boats side by sides and atv's out there.

You guys are still the Best! Always striving for perfection. Thanks for the video.

In towing, this truck is impressive. I am surprised that it added 33% more brake actions downhill than the previous test. But having a normal conversation towing 8100 pounds up a mountain and the RPM's staying between 2500-3300 is pretty amazing. You are tempting me to get rid of my 21 Tacoma and get this.

Andre, your dedication to the channel and the art of making reviews is truly exceptional! thanks!

Wow you guys are awesome! You listened to the Fans requests and made a whole new video.

So, takeaway for me is regular tow/haul downhill, tow+ uphill. I guess the only remaining question for me is longevity vs the old V8. Apologies if these observations have already been made.

Not having a trans temp guage is a huge miss for a modern truck with weights they are rated to tow. I want to be able to monitor it BEFORE it gets too hot instead of being told it is too hot.

I like this Kase kid. He does a great job. Part of TFL's future, or whatever he wants to do.

Your concern regarding towing in hot environments is very valid. I saw 225/228 towing bit more weight in my 07 5.7 up the cajon pass to the 138, doing 60-65 also, except in 115F temps. So seeing 230 with HALF the ambient temp, is very concerning. Id be curious to see if that plate cooler can keep up in hotter weather. Fun fact; from around 150-228F (actual value) the trans gauge on my 07 didn't move! Thanks for the unbiased information! I look forward to warm weather testing.

TFL is the best for a reason. Look at these camera angles! Look at these real world tests! Look at the awesome guys spending their time to bring this to us!!

It hit 61 right before the road flattened out again so it could (should) have been another brake application.

You guys did it again for us, Thank You TFL!

Love the new camera setup!

Yep nail on the head with towing in the desert! I tow through the northern hills of AZ in the summer time. Lots of long steep grades, 100°+ temps, 45mph curves, traffic. Will bring many trucks to their knees.

Great review! And I agree with the many other comments related to Kase being a nice addition to the TFL Team! He’s been doing an excellent job! Very knowledgeable, comfortable in front of the camera, and a great communicator of those things that your listeners are most interested in, like the rest of the team 👍

Excellent review. Glad to see the truck has a comfy ride yet doesn't sacrifice toughness or stability.

Interesting information. I am considering buying a new truck to tow a travel trailer. This towing information is exactly what I am looking for. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.

Maybe tow plus is more about preserving the engine/transmission when towing heavy. Thus less engine braking on the downhill and better fuel economy (less turbo boost?) when going uphill. Interesting.

I'm a Toyota guy from way back. I still have a 98 Taco I purchased new. My complaint of Toyota really is about the ones made here in the USA for the past 20 years. They really have fell behind on technology and innovation with the truck line. I've got a 17 F150 platinum 3.5 ecoboost and this truck has virtually everything the new tundra has but 5 years ago. And before the fan boys jump on me, I still have 2 Toyotas and 2 Hondas in my household. The Ford isn't perfect but way ahead of the competition.

This is awesome to see! one thing that I would like to add (which some may know already), is that each spec of any truck can have different performance. The suspension and other components can change how a truck performs while towing. Still, Great job though!

Really nice truck. Great video!

Would have been interesting to run it back down the mountain in just tow haul mode to see if it went back to 6 applications. That way you could tell if it was the truck or an environmental difference.

Crazy seeing that much weight being pulled at 2k to 2.5k rpm.

He makes a great point about ambient temperature in relation to the transmission temps. I like this guy

I’m gonna guess the difference in downhill brake applications has more to do with winds. Headwind vs a tailwind etc.

Question since every vehicle seems to be hitting the 8 Minute mark could you guys do a 50mph to 60mph test whe you do your super ike to benchmark passing performance? Just a thought

We love kase we wanna see more of him.

You need to have your camera guy on more often. Cool dude!

I would like to see what happens if you set the cruise control going down the Ike. My 2021 frieghtliner with automatic transmission will will do everything it can to not go more than 5mph over cruise setting. It works great going downhill on dry roads.

Great videos. A few questions/comments… Did Toyota change the integrated brake controller (IBC) from the previous Gen Tundra? I replaced the IBC with my old Tekonsha in my 2016 TRD DC because it did not function safely. I tow a 9000 lb travel trailer and always downshift manually when going down long descents. I believe this is what most of us do so I don’t think the automatic engine braking is super critical. A pet peeve with my 2016 is the display for remaining distance. It is not calculated based on the current (average) fuel consumption. In other words, the value does not get recalculated when you reset the average fuel consumption. Because of this, unless you tow all the time, you can’t rely on the gauge to estimate how far you can travel based on remaining fuel.

The fuel economy going uphill I think was the most impressive aspect on this and the previous 22 run. Wonder if Toyota's undersquare engine design played a part, versus the Ford Ecoboost's oversquare design which does seem to be more prevalent in sports cars and things that need to rev higher.

Great review guys 🍻

Great vid! Case needs to be in more vids!

I was thinking you guys tried using cruise control on some of your Ike tests for the downhill portion. I can't remember which specific videos it took place in but I was wondering if there's a reason you haven't been doing that lately? If I recall correctly, it made a difference in the grade-shifting and I plan to try that method when towing with my new Tundra. Thanks TFL!

There should have been 9 brake applications. Andre just didn't catch that last one. 😂

I would like to see you build a wall at the front on that trailer about the height of an enclosed trailer or travel trailer for wind resistants since it seems to be what you are going to be using for the towing tests.

Thank you so much!!

🤣 Nathan is so hilarious in that add

Good review guys👍I can't get over how many hoops you have to jump through to change any settings on the truck🤔

I want! But my 17 only has 22,000 miles, great video, thanks for the update!!!

Thanks Andre! I can never afford one but nice to see what they can do!

Transmission temps are harder to gauge these days, same with oil and coolant. Because manufacturers design them to run hotter to be more efficient. So what was ok 20 years ago is exceeded today and higher temps are ok now. This is partly due to the EPA's requirements for efficiency. Fluids are designed to run hotter and cooling systems overall are much better.

Wind direction and speed can be a major factor!

The semi truck analogy works for older trucks but I've heard from many truckers that with new Semi's they're far more powerful and better geared for climbing so often they can go up the hill faster than they can decend. Food for thought?

Thank you for a proper redo

Since I'm always scanning my gages when I'm towing especially, the thing I noticed most in the video is the where the oil pressure gauge is running when under load at 3000 rpms. I know the gage is not really representative of actual oil pressure but if I looked down and the gage was at the quarter mark it would make me concerned. In was higher going down hill.

MPG Tow loop next. I would love to see what it gets towing normally

Always appreciate real world towing and numbers guys

I know this towing test is hard but, I know of one that will crush it. Kick it up a notch TFL! 🇺🇸🙏🍀

Can we see how well this Tundra can tow its max (11,000 lbs.) up the Ike, since it seemed to do this weight pretty easily

I will say it again I want to see the hybrid regenerative braking take this on. That system loves being on a constant load like that. The only limit I see at that point for the reg em braking is of the battery is full. Can’t wait I know you guys are gonna do a hybrid when you can.

Great Vid . Ty . What kind of do ya all use ?

The GMC diesel exhaust break works better than what you guys should. If you brake and maintain a speed for a few seconds it will set to that speed. If just braking to 50 without breaking for a few seconds to maintain the speed it will increase as shown on TFL. Went through the Rockies with a 16k 5th wheel and that is how it worked out for me

I have not driven the new Tundra yet. My cousin has one ordered so I will get to mess around with one then. At this point I drive F150s for my full size trucks. The Tundra is so nice how it tows uphill at such a relaxed pace. As far as the downhill. I don’t just let the tow/haul setting work in a truck like this. I manually downshift for myself. It’s much easier to maintain your speed. TFL don’t have that option as it can be done differently by every driver so I respect that they tow with the truck as the truck is shipped. Downhill, unless it the Ram 6.7 Cummins, needs a bit of physical and mental driver input. It’s not the time to do anything but drive!! Especially on such a busy and long hill. I doubted that 61 db was the lowest sound level in the previous video, thinking another truck was tied, but was incorrect!!! The low 60s are impressive. Even the low 70s are just fine really. It’s an interesting stat, but it would not affect me in buying a truck except maybe the TRX or the 6.4 Wrangler!!! Hahaha. I outgrew louder droning exhausts a long time ago. I still have some custom vehicles as well as stock vehicles (1967 Chevelle SS 396 4 speed) that are louder to simply too loud, but they are that way for a reason/style for the builds. I do have a 1981 Vette that’s very quiet!! The interior was refinished with dynamat added everywhere possible, new carpet, everything basically and all new seals around the doors/windows. It was surprising how quiet it is with stock exhaust,,,,,,,. Great highway car now. Anyways. If it weren’t for the ridiculous front end design, I may consider a new Tundra in the future. I don’t have towing needs above 7,000 lbs anymore so my F150 will be more than enough. AND it’s the measly 5.0!!

Having Kase in the video will be a good case!

I really like showing the gauges, it tells us what is going on. I would recommend that the same trailer be used for each test. A box trailer is way different from a car hauler with a truck on it. Aerodynamic drag greatly affects how that load you are towing affects your test results from swat to fuel economy. Towing an 8k lb boat would give better fuel economy than towing an 8k lb travel trailer.

Could you do a refresher of you baselines or goals for this run? Such as your determination of when to hit the brakes or not? What is a good time? How many times is too many for hitting breaks? How long is the Ike Run? What truck has set the best benchmark? It seems a lot of data is shared and discussed, but with no context. Thanks.

Toyota engineers-“ok, we got a brand new truck, what should we do?” - I know! Let’s design a gauge cluster from 1994

Wind direction, wind speed, temperature will effect how fast you descend that hill. The warmer the air the less the air resistance. The first attempt may have been done with a headwind, the second with a tailwind. The tow haul plus mode may have nothing to do with the extra brake applications. Environmental conditions have a lot to do with how vehicles perform. A V6 gas engine has only so much braking power!

Loved seeing Kase in this video. Enjoy the review with him and Andre!

Serious credit to TFL for the Do Over. Respect!

Thanks guys for all the videos. I have had 3 different tundras. I like my 12 rock warrior crew max best. I have a 17 pro crew max now. I have a 1794 with a 6.5 box ordered. I have 1 big issue with the new tundra and that's the lack of front tow hooks. WTF! I use mine allot to work on the farm or job. Did Mike the head engineer from toyota say they would be an accessory? At least they could have offered them on the off road packages and the pro. Very disappointing. Please express our disappointment to toyota. I will have to turn to the aftermarket I think.

Most vehicles with automatic transmission have a "trans cooler" and in most cases it's an ATF circuit that goes through the radiator. When people ask if the new Tundra has a transmission cooler, they are referring to the previous external cooler, which is better for towing. A few years ago Toyota went back to the cheaper cooling circuit in the radiator

I have never seen the mountains so green this time of year. Hopefully more snow and colder temps soon :)

Thank you for sharing the 35-60 time and the transmission temperature. Due to Kase being in the episode, I kept cringing - expecting a Manscaping commercial to start.

This really has my attention. Looks like I'll be trading my 16 Titan XD Cummins for this, just not anytime soon. But once it gets up there in mileage ill definitely give this tundra a look. If Toyota would bring their 3.3 turbo diesel and put it in this I'd definitely snatch one up sooner than later.

My F250 runs at 235 transmission temp almost all the time. It's normal for newer trucks to have hotter temps in order to run more efficient

18:30 The electronic gauge cluster on the 1794 trim and above do have a built in transmission temperature gauge.

If the upcoming hybrid is anything like a Prius it can regenerate on light braking down hill quite a bit and save the brakes. Continuous regeneration as long as the battery is full may be enough to not use the friction brakes.

231* trans temps on a 40-something degree day doesn’t bode well for Southwestern towing…

It looked like the oil pressure was really on the low side. May have just been the angle the camera had on the gauge.

Andre is on my list of people to have dinner and a beer with. I think he would be great to talk about trucks and towing.

Note the wind resistance of the trailer helps you going up but hurt your going down. So may explain so items

I like the new Ike format (unedited, gauges, front view) and having Case as co-pilot is cool, too.

Andre, your MPG got better because you had Kase as your travel companion this time. :)

Air density might play a factor in the downhill section. If you previously tested on a very cold day, the air would be more dense and help slow the truck down. IDK if it would actually make a noticeable difference or not though...

Is this Andre's truck? Doesn't seem like anyone else can touch it other than him. Lol!

I think because the milage is so low on that tundra that you have gained efficiency by breaking in the engine more since the last test.

Another reason for the more brake applications with the V6TT engines are that they most likely are pulling less vacuum than their naturally aspirated counterparts. That may be contributing to the added brake applications.

I know that you always do the tests the same way for consistency, but it would be nice if there was also some information about how it would tow downhill if you downshifted from drive. For example if you put it in gear 4. I'm not sure how you could do that without doing the test more than once, but it seems a little more realistic than leaving it in drive.

Is the trailer brakes set up the same as last time ? I watched you set the gain before. I don't know much about trailer brakes so I could be way off. Great videos guys !

I love it when they test turbocharged engines on the Ike. Naturally aspirated engines just can't keep up. TURBOS RULE!

The oil pressure gauge was concerning as it was near the low mark. Wonder what effect that will have in the long term

Basically sound level dBA doubles with every 3 dBA. Using an Octave Band Sound level (ap for iPhone) would help isolate the low vs. high frequency sound. tire noise vs. exhaust noise.

Lovely scenery. Gotta add Colorado to my bucket list.... And Ike gauntlet