We Miss You Shane - Why Learn Latin? Should Latin be the Core of an Education?

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On today's episode of the Classical Et Cetera podcast, we have no idea where Shane is. Hopefully he returns to us quickly and safely. And with presents. In the meantime, we'll have to see how Martin's coup attempt plays out.
Anyhow, today we are talking about the role of learning Latin in a classical Christian education. Why is it so important to us? How does it transform and bring the organized mind together? Are the students who study Latin really happy with the benefits that Latin can bring? We also talk about the online and physical resources the Memoria Press Homeschool curriculum can provide.
Interested in studying a course in Latin grammar, definitions, and pronunciation? Check out our full course offerings here below, and learn Latin today!

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@TheDovesNest
@TheDovesNest 11 ай бұрын
The What are you reading section has become my favorite part of this podcast! I wish you would just discuss classic literature all the time! I'm finishing the Three Musketeers but I have East of Eden and will read it next!
@heatherlyfrancesruth3502
@heatherlyfrancesruth3502 11 ай бұрын
That is such a great point about grammar. It has been dropped. Very little of it is taught, anyway. As an aspiring freelance writer, I can appreciate the importance of teaching Latin and grammar. But, when moral relativity is the new order of the day, it's not wonder why this is the new reality in most public school settings. I did not have the pleasure of learning Latin as a child and the best part for me, as a parent/teacher, is pointing out the derivatives. I only wish I could add Greek. Perhaps if we had started MP sooner... And Tanya, I certainly have felt like I was a weirdo, not only for teaching Latin, but homeschooling in general. I have met many other homeschooling families during my journey as a homeschooling mother, but, few of them purchased a curriculum. Most of them provided their children with an online environment and never touched physical books. I have always preferred a physical curriculum to the alternatives but sadly, few others feel the same. Another fantastic session. Thank you all!
@andycastro1014
@andycastro1014 11 ай бұрын
Analysis: making distinctions Synthesis: seeing resemblances
@mrs.jaywojo5426
@mrs.jaywojo5426 5 ай бұрын
I am not proficient in Latin at all, but as a nurse, I have learned a lot of Latin and Greek roots via medical terminology. At the time, I was surprised at how many derivatives are in the English language. That sparked a love of etymolgy and languages. We homeschool and because I saw the value of Latin and Greek, we use your Latin program. We also have started Greek. Because of the Latin foundation, my daughter has been able to branch out to learn Italian. There aren't many Italian resources. We found one text book that has exercises incorporated, but between her and I, we are "creating" a curriculum. It is very rewarding to start something "hard" and feel accomplished as you understand and utilize it.
@FredHenry1850
@FredHenry1850 2 ай бұрын
I graduated from a private Christian school where I attended for seven years. I did tons of sentence diagramming. I remember the basics, but if you asked me to diagram a sentence today, I would have trouble with it. I wish I had a foundation in Latin. Here I am, a 36 year old man, who is just beginning my Latin studies. I decided to go with the Zondervan curriculum Basics of Latin by Derek Cooper with the complimentary videos to go with each lesson. After I finish that, I will have my toe firmly dipped in Latin. I will then be in the position to really start my Latin studies.
@lindyc7847
@lindyc7847 11 ай бұрын
I did Latin GCSE and got an A and it’s helped me throughout my life with medical and legal language amongst other advantages when learning other European languages
@manditarte6167
@manditarte6167 11 ай бұрын
I read "East of Eden" for my summer reading assignment before my junior or senior year of high school. It's back on my list to re-read this year after hearing it being brought up in this podcast recently. It's on my list of top 5 literary novels that I've read. Steinbeck has always pulled at my heart with his realistic, devastating, and beautifully written stories.
@user-so6fh1bu9f
@user-so6fh1bu9f 2 ай бұрын
I feel through my limited (2 years in HS) Latin experience that unless a parent has been exposed to Latin, why would they seek out Latin for their children. I see the value and am in the midst of establishing my Latin skills/knowledge to the level of homeschooling my children (age 5 & 7). I am a lifelong student of GBWW and will be getting into Memoria College's MA degree. I just finished RW Livingstone's book and am inspired to pursue that type of educational life.
@mycrazyfamilyid
@mycrazyfamilyid 11 ай бұрын
I grew up less than a mile from his childhood home and going to the library named after him (Steinbeck)!
@garlandofbooks4494
@garlandofbooks4494 11 ай бұрын
I thought I hated grammar because I hated those sentence diagrams. I definitely enjoyed and understood grammar much more through Latin, even though I had far less of it than MP does - I took Latin 8th-10th. I enjoy your conversations. I’m using a Charlotte Mason approach for homeschool, so we will have Latin 5th-12th, somewhat less than MP, but I’m excited for it. We are learning French 1st-12th, which is for the students auditory-only while they are still learning to read English. They’ll begin learning to read it in 4th, then add Latin in 5th.
@amandalovesmusic
@amandalovesmusic 3 ай бұрын
I never learned grammar graduated high school 2008 in Indianapolis.
@AnAmericanlinguist
@AnAmericanlinguist 3 ай бұрын
I am learning Latin as an adult because I enjoy it and want to read it fluently. In school, I learned French to a high level (after also continuing studies in France). Almost all the arguments presented here for why learn Latin can be applied to learning a living language (French will improve your English more than Latin, Russian case system a bit more complex for logic-if you truly believe Lana bush’s grammar will help with logic, Chinese characters will help with building memory. The only reason to learn Latin is if the course can teach you to read Latin fluently by then end and to connect with writers and cultures of past times, and not just have a narrow modern world view.
@AnAmericanlinguist
@AnAmericanlinguist 3 ай бұрын
A big red flag with the teaching methods discussed here is saying that you don’t need a teacher who knows Latin well to teach it. You cannot teach what you do not thoroughly know. You can try learning together, but you need an outside teacher to aide then. As far as grammar, I am in agreement that grammar studies are essential, but grammar-translation methods should not be the exclusive teaching. This has been used for centuries with poor results. Grammar translation needs to be supplemented with massive amounts of comprehensible input. The student who couldn’t translate the text needed grammar basis, but also more comprehensible input to build up his or her vocabulary
@AnAmericanlinguist
@AnAmericanlinguist 3 ай бұрын
Apologies for typos and auto-correct. That’s part of the danger of watching videos on a phone and commenting. Anyway, I appreciate the educational videos and what you are doing
@GordonA-Jr
@GordonA-Jr Ай бұрын
Are you all talking about reading Latin or speaking Latin or both?
@memoriapress
@memoriapress Ай бұрын
Our curriculum equips students to do both!
@sarahflynn924
@sarahflynn924 9 ай бұрын
Grammar - they moved into 'functional grammar' approach, instead of explicitly teaching grammar, they believed that children would 'get the hang' of grammar by simply doing it. So the grammar taught is not intentional or explicit but incidental. This is currently being walked back as it obviously is flawed logic.
@liambyrne5285
@liambyrne5285 8 ай бұрын
Why not teach a living language like scottish gaelic which is similar to latin and is still spoken in Canada
@user-so6fh1bu9f
@user-so6fh1bu9f 2 ай бұрын
That sounds intriguing. Is Scottish Gaelic really similar enough to Latin to pursue the study of SG?
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve 17 күн бұрын
Sorry, but I have a degree in Latin and this is neither the reason to learn Latin nor the way to do it.
@David-cm4ok
@David-cm4ok 15 күн бұрын
What is then?
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve 14 күн бұрын
@@David-cm4ok 1. Latin grammar prepares one for most Indo-European grammar, and likely much outside it. That is why Latin is taught. 2. Grammar is taught incorrectly in every textbook I have seen. For example, the main grammar is presented at the end. You will read nothing authentic without it. 3. The aim in mastering a language is vocabulary and using authentic grammar. The grammar is presented in one day and the student starts reading a real text day one. Asterix is a good example. Stick with one author until you are comfortable with the language. Wasting 4-6 years on grammar is silly. Why do they teach grammar instead of vocabulary? Because the answer to 'Give me the accusative singular of Caesaris,' is right or wrong. The answer to 'Describe in Latin what Caesar did in Gaul,' is open to eternal debate.
@David-cm4ok
@David-cm4ok 14 күн бұрын
@@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve Thanks for the reply. I’m struggling with my Spanish just now, but understand that we go through phases like this when learning a new language. I was interested to know about Latin and can see what you mean. By authentic grammar, do you mean applying it within the context of what you’ve just learned?
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve 14 күн бұрын
@@David-cm4ok I studied Spanish when I was still young and my ideas were not yet full formed. Spanish grammar is going to be closer to English than Latin and Latin will not help you with Spanish grammar. What do I mean? Spanish grammar is going to be more about selecting the right words and putting them in an appropriate order to avoid confusion and to impart a specific meaning. Latin is so much more. According to one academic paper, Slavic requires learning a core vocabulary of 9000 words, English 18000 words, in order to achieve real basic fluency. Spanish will be between these two figures, but since it relies more on a single language base (fewer near synonyms), let us say 10000 words. You can immediately see the problem with any textbook as they rarely teach anything close to 3000 words. Yes, you can survive with a 2000 word vocabulary but you are going to be very limited in comprehension. Now, just as the textbook has taught you the base vocabulary, so it has taught you the base grammar. You can express basic thoughts, but nuances are going to escape you. As an English speaker, you immediately recognise that, 'Yeah, right,' likely has the opposite meaning to the dictionary definitions. Such gems are unlikely to be found in standard textbooks; you need to read real texts. Or take that semicolon I just used. Likely you were technically taught how to use it, but did you really master it in class? How many semicolons did your textbook even contain?
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve
@aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve 14 күн бұрын
One of the myths promulgated by language textbooks and exams is that people need to achieve general fluency. For example, sit a C1 exam and you need to be prepared for a text using fairly technical sports language. (The specific test may contain no athletics-related terms, but you need to be ready in case it does.) If you don't like sports, this is hard work. What you really want to achieve is basic fluency plus topical fluency. Mine is in archaeology, although the new interdisciplinary nature of science now means a knowledge of advanced chemistry and advanced mathematics are also required for fluency in archaeology. I am a person who adds 2 + 2 on a calculator and gets 3 half the time and 5 the other half. So, life gets fun. What you need to determine is why you want to know Spanish and achieve topical fluency, which is far easier to do. You may not pass any exams doing that, but you can find work and friends that way. There is nothing like someone who clearly speaks your native language as a second language pointing out your mistakes in your native language. That is what topical fluency means.
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