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@loregoblin38544 жыл бұрын
I still think that Change Your Mind butchered the pacing of Steven Universe. because, you're right... in the most pedantic sense, the diamonds are not "redeemed" so to speak. but they did all change their minds at once about Steven. prior to Change Your Mind, the diamonds didn't even seem to grasp that Steven wasn't just a different looking reformation of their Pink Diamond that they knew before she was "shattered" and they even treated Steven like they expected him to have the same personality "flaws" that Pink had. it took Pink literally dying for them to see that something was wrong, and even then, the wrong thing was "oh no, Pink is dead!" not "oh man, we really drove her away with our horrible actions!" as one would hope. what I'm saying is that, if the rest of the diamonds see Steven as literally Pink herself, then they're going to treat him the way they would've treated her, which looked as though it hadn't changed at all. OR they're going to see Steven as a totally separate being and have even less reason to value his opinion because, well... who the hell is this? White literally pulled Steven's gem out because she values Pink more than Steven. when Steven changed their minds, he wasn't upturning their values as leaders of the gem species... he was convincing them that listening to him, wanting him around, valuing him, and putting stock in what he would prefer that they do, is worth it. and for a hot minute, none of his attempts to do so were working at all. even White Diamond pulling his gem out in an attempt to get Pink back was just another indication that Steven's values should mean nothing to her. I know it seems like a climactic moment when she realizes that Pink is gone and Steven is all that's left now, but that just means that it's impossible for White to get what she really wants. how is that supposed to result in her listening to Steven? like... listening to Steven more than she ever even listened to Pink when she was alive? more than she was prepared to listen to Pink if she had gotten her back? the writing presents this strangely! and that's not even to speak of the whiplash I got from Blue and Yellow. Blue is the most empathetic out of the three diamonds, and even she should've taken a longer amount of time to convince to change in any way. she was always pleading with Pink to just be a good diamond and do what diamonds are supposed to do... you could appeal to her sense of relief over having found "Pink" to be still alive, but even that should've taken time... and then to flip Yellow almost even quicker is even more jarring! this is not to say that the diamonds shouldn't have ever changed their minds on anything, but it should've taken more time, and more work, and there were so many things that could've been done with them in the meantime. it would've been so good to keep them in this "villainous" role for a while longer as Steven tries to figure out how to get through to them. there's so much wasted writing potential! and so much wasted villain aesthetic potential too, if I'm being totally honest. I will forever lament that White Diamond never got an eerie villain song wherein she possesses a large number of other gems with her brainwashing ability and forces them to become a perfect choir to back her up. that would've been some _top tier_ villainous panache. it could've been so good. but yeah, basically ever since they arrived on homeworld, it felt like they weren't seeing enough of it. and especially because Steven is new there, and I would've thought he'd be curious about it all. as an audience member, I sure was! I've said this in other comments on Steven Universe videos before, but ideally I would've wanted an episode that mirrors Pearl's story in Now We're Only Falling Apart, wherein Pearl showed Pink Diamond around Earth, and Pink decided she wanted to protect it. in this case, it'd probably be Pearl showing Steven around homeworld, and Steven coming to a similar conclusion. but this would highlight the differences between Steven and his mom... Steven would have all the pieces of the puzzle, and he wouldn't be running away. Pink was stepping into a convenient lie, while Steven is embracing a difficult truth. an episode like that, even just one, would give us more of a sense of scale, and a greater understanding of the location that the story is now taking place in. it'd be great for worldbuilding, and introducing new gems as background characters. and then the next thing I'd probably change is how Steven and Connie escape when they're imprisoned for fusing into Stevonnie. again, I've put forth this idea in other comments sections, but I was hoping that Lars and the off colors would come and rescue Steven. it would've been so easy to set up too... once Steven had possessed one of the watermelon Stevens, he could've just gone through Lion's mane to get directly to Lars. that whole crew is already in space and near homeworld in some capacity, so it'd actually make more sense to ask them for help because they'd literally be able to get there sooner, and they're guaranteed to have a functional ship to use, whereas Steven's plan in the show really relied on the Earth crew having repaired at least one of the Diamonds' arm ships... he had no idea how close they were to being able to do that. from there, I think it would've made sense for Steven to start a revolution. Pink didn't even really start a revolution herself, so much as she formed a resistance. resisting the Diamonds' takeover of Earth is totally different than actually trying to revolutionize gem society for the gems she left behind on homeworld. Pink mostly just wanted to carve out a place for herself to feel at home. Steven's goals could be more big picture. and it also just makes sense to try and enact societal change from the bottom up, rather than the top down. those in power will rarely change what they're doing unless they have a reason that benefits them even more than the current system... and that's not only really hard because they're already the most powerful, but it's also pandering to them even more. it doesn't get at the root of the problem. causing social unrest, and having strength in numbers, forces the leader to acknowledge the importance of those that they consider beneath them, and it also makes them aware that what they're doing is fundamentally not working. and the thing is... Steven could totally do that in a nonviolent way! he could simply offer gems a choice between living under homeworld's current system, or having a life free of those restrictions. he is a diamond, so by right, he technically should be able to leverage that power as a leader in his own right, even by the logic of homeworld's current system. all he'd have to do is give gems somewhere to "defect" to, if they feel dissatisfied... and there have been numerous hints that a lot of them do. heck, they could start by recruiting the Amethysts from the human zoo... I'd love to see those characters reintroduced to the narrative. and if Holly Blue then reported it to Blue Diamond, that could draw Blue into direct confrontation with this budding rebel group. this would set the stage for Steven to confront the diamonds individually, and address their flawed leadership one at a time. as I said, I think Blue would definitely be the easiest to sway, and would have to be the first """redeemed""" and I definitely think Yellow should've taken a lot more work, and White should've been a long awaited, final boss level confrontation of some sort. again, not even necessarily a violent one. just climactic, and with narrative weight and long term payoff. what this show needed was another season or two with the diamonds as the main villain... which I know they probably didn't/don't have, but that really shows here. because the pacing really is bad.
@morrius07574 жыл бұрын
People don't change overnight, the diamonds struggling to change who they are is a good thing since it's more realistic.
@How_To_Drive_a_TARDIS4 жыл бұрын
I agree, we shouldn't just tear ourselves to shreds
@theonetruedonut4 жыл бұрын
The diamonds' behavior in the movie was solely for the sake of comedy
@morrius07574 жыл бұрын
@@theonetruedonut I doubt that.
@chloewade1214 жыл бұрын
“Judging anything by appearance is WROOOOONG :D”
@nerdychocobo4 жыл бұрын
Chloe Wade "lower life forms-" "what did we sayy " "UGH 'equal' life forms"
@canineclient70064 жыл бұрын
@@nerdychocobo I think what you meant to say was "Yeah, I don't about this"
@nerdychocobo4 жыл бұрын
@@canineclient7006 what?
@darthestar87914 жыл бұрын
Everyone could tell that she was being sarcastic at that moment in time :D
@expunkstep72264 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, Steven's just like " =_= "
@michaelmiller24184 жыл бұрын
Best case scenario: they're making amends and sort of trying. Worst case scenario, they're putting on a show "for now."
@michaelmiller24184 жыл бұрын
After all, how well do we all really think they would handle Steven's eventual death as an organic lifeform?
@Ruby-Doc4 жыл бұрын
*_[... yeah... but would he die from old age, seeing as his age is based on how old he feels?]_*
@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez24504 жыл бұрын
@@Ruby-Doc Genes have limits: any living thing with DNA will eventually die, and if not the DNA will just keep on degrading until he's a living mummy.
@fennecwolfox4 жыл бұрын
@@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 Theory: As Steven ages, he learns to tap more into his Gem powers (as he's been seen to be doing). As his organic body dies, he learns to create a synthetic body like other Gems do. Immortal Pink Steven is born.
@klarenceryoughi4 жыл бұрын
@@fennecwolfox That makes sense. We saw a small glimpse of it in Change your Mind
@DWAkhaten4 жыл бұрын
"I've stopped waging space wars... for now!" "I've stopped killing people!" "I've been saying please and thank you to the peasants!" That's a very convincing argument, ladies. Very convincing. That will certainly win him over.
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
I mean...it's a start XD.
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
Better than them doing it tbf.
@v0idspamz6364 жыл бұрын
I believe that blue's actually trying tbh But you'll never know till later-
@CJCroen13934 жыл бұрын
A little off topic, but I'm gonna point out something that's been bothering me for a while, and that's the fact that Yellow dissolving her armies might not have been a good idea. I'm all for pacifism guys, but what if Homeworld gets attacked by an unknown enemy? Even Steven has acknowledged that it's okay to fight if there's no other option, and I get the feeling that "a fleet of enemy warships are flying in and they won't back down for any reason!" is a good reason to start fighting.
@zelxcdqgssui4 жыл бұрын
That's why white is pissed in Steven universe future other gems are gonna try to overthrow the dimonds and white is gonna question Steven about this and be super pissed
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
I think Blue is an exception to this. While I wouldn't say she's redeemed, it's clear she's definitely changed her attitude towards things. When she talks about having not shattered and not made anyone cry she sounds genuinely proud of the fact, rather than like she's being forced to do something unpleasant, like Yellow and White. Obviously this isn't something to be super proud of, but for someone in her position it is something that would be a big step. She is also the first one to admit the problems with their empire, as well as the first to embrace change. On top of that she knows that "lower lifeforms" (humans) are not as simplistic or so far below them as originally thought. She does refer to Spinel as "one of Pink's treasures", but it's worth nothing her first reaction to hearing about her plight is one of sympathy. Her attitude has developed drastically after Pink "died." The events of the Diamond Days Arc and Steven's attitude were the catalyst to finally push her in that direction fully. Having actually faced her grief and embraced it seems to have cultivated a level of empathy in her. Aside from a one or two hiccups, she pretty much accepts Steven's way of life and ideas immediately.
@fennecwolfox4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this was my thought on Blue.
@Fisinocean4 жыл бұрын
Blue is like that one racist aunt or grandma that actually tries to change
@monsieurnaggert31344 жыл бұрын
@@Fisinocean Like Kowalski from Gran Torino.
@dr.altoclef92554 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Blue seems the most likely to change. She’s been miserable and completely depressed for thousands of years. She learns that humans have feelings. So she could make the connection and develop empathy towards others.
@jauxro4 жыл бұрын
Plus, it looks like she gets to spend time with White and Yellow more often, since they've all been asked to change together. I don't Blue _or_ Yellow want to go back to the way things were before.
@vfugjjhfuyft4 жыл бұрын
To me, the Diamonds' characterization by the movie felt a lot like your racist relatives trying to get on good terms with you - someone who is willing to change or at least pretend they have changed, but doing so because you want them to, and they love you - not because they have realized the error of their ways. Which is still better than not changing at all - they are willing to expose themselves to a different worldview even though they have not understood it yet. It does to a degree devalue their actions while attempting to redeem themselves, but it does not devalue their attempt at redemption. Yes, they are acting nice to please Steven, but they could have just as easily done to him what they have been doing to Pink Diamond - forced him to act in line or locked him away and pretended that everything is fine. So, they have changed their minds in a way that they recognized a need for change - they realized that their worldview is flawed and hurts people, although they, as of now, don't fully understand why it is flawed. They are still self-centred egotistical jerks, but they are trying to get better, and that deserves at least some recognition. Or maybe they just want Steven to like them because of Pink, and that's all there is to it - I still choose to subscribe to the above because it's less upsetting.
@aquaabouttogetfunky4 жыл бұрын
Basically
@xblade1494 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@dr.altoclef92554 жыл бұрын
I can believe it more from Blue since she knows that humans feel hurt and she’s been miserable for years. So if anyone would change it would be her, because she could understand “they think just like I do”, that is, she can start to understand empathy.
@matiasluukkanen77184 жыл бұрын
HOUND project They are not racist relatives but much worse. They make the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao Zedong to look like choirboys. Species, races and planets are eradicated by their iron-fisted rule. Their servants are slaves that are manufactured for spesific purpose. Diamonds do enforce everyone to regard them as God-Queens of their species...
@latrodectusmactans75924 жыл бұрын
Yep. I think one of the major themes of the movie is that change is HARD. It’s hard to consciously improve yourself. It’s hard to not grow complacent. It’s hard to not dwell on a negative world view. But it is ultimately worth it.
@mmmchkplss12034 жыл бұрын
Damn, if Steven can manipulate an entire interstellar, planet destroying, dictatorial matriarchy, imagine if he was evil.... 😳
@CJCroen13934 жыл бұрын
I actually had a similar thought about him picking that flower, then healing it with his spit. It was at that moment that I realized that healing magic would be utterly _terrifying_ if a sadistic villain were able to use it...
@josephinamungaray61184 жыл бұрын
CJCroen1393 why would it be terrifying?
@clochard40744 жыл бұрын
@@josephinamungaray6118 You can painfully cut someone into pieces as long as you please, they aren't even allowed to die until you say so. You can even heal them completely, just to hide your secret pastime. If they fear you they won't talk. Truly horrific.
@CJCroen13934 жыл бұрын
@@josephinamungaray6118 Imagine a villain doing what Steven did to that flower to a small animal or a human. And then doing it over, and over, and over...
@emm86574 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to! Pink Diamond existed.
@liddolmenace4 жыл бұрын
White Diamond even comments on how disgusting the Earth is at one point in the movie, so....
@TelikiMouse4 жыл бұрын
Ironically she had a problem with the earth being destroyed yet homeworld is split in half XD
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
@@TelikiMouse She probably isn't a fan of that either.
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, she has a point lmao. Earth is a mess atm.
@TelikiMouse4 жыл бұрын
@@summanus4437 it is but the irony XD
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
Let's be real. The Earth is kind of gross XD.
@kyraevermoon55444 жыл бұрын
The only one who might, MIGHT be redeemed is Blue, since she was the most open to it, and Steven actually reached her. She's the one who got Yellow on board, and White's attitude change only came when she realized she wasn't perfect. But Blue might actually have changed in her heart. But... That doesn't mean any of them should be forgiven.
@n.a.firdaus49514 жыл бұрын
They never asked you to forgive them did they? You can choose whether or not you want to like them or not.
@LDIndustries4 жыл бұрын
None of them are redeemed. They are beings that have existed for Eons, if Steven completely changed their mindsets in 2 years that's akin to having someone change their ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM because they brushed by someone on the street. Yes, Blue definitely is the most receptive and easily influenced by Steven but you have to remember, her saying "I never shatter gems" is her saying "I don't kill people anymore" and it hasn't been that long since she stopped in the grand scheme of her existence. Believe me, neither I nor Lea are saying that the Diamonds are irredeemable if that's what you are uncomfortable with. We're just saying they aren't close yet. None of them, none of them have truly changed. Steven is their incentive to change and they are still early enough in the process where if he was removed as an incentive or a greater one was placed somewhere else they would revert in a heartbeat.
@LDIndustries4 жыл бұрын
@The Earth Is Dying Because Of You I think there is something wrong with you. Nobody is saying they can't be forgiven we're just saying that changing superficially to please someone else isn't worthy of forgiveness because they haven't truly changed.
@LDIndustries4 жыл бұрын
@The Earth Is Dying Because Of You I didn't attack you. I just pointed out a mistake. You're the one that typed in all caps "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU". If that's not an attack I don't know what is.
@mariedrinkthytea4 жыл бұрын
I would forgive blue over pink... even just a little
@PlanetZoidstar4 жыл бұрын
I think when people say "redeemed" they mean "faced no real consequences" for their actions. They are purely fixing the damage they did to appease Steven, not because they regret what they did.
@edniesainteloi2094 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@reasyrandom4 жыл бұрын
Then again, what could you possibly do to punish them? They're literal gods who can shut any gem down with a _thought_.
@DrawciaGleam024 жыл бұрын
@@reasyrandom If this was MLP or Adventure Time, removing their powers. Someone could have also used the rejuvenator on the diamonds as well....
@JadeDolphin224 жыл бұрын
True, and I also think when people say “redeemed” they mean. “No longer an antagonist.” As well.
@matti.84654 жыл бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 What would be the point if what Steven is doing acomplishes the same goal of keeping them from causing any harm?
@group18964 жыл бұрын
White: Goodness no! Because judging anything based on appearance is wrong! 💎 👁 👄 👁
@eyevou4 жыл бұрын
Rome wasn't built in a day. The diamonds are starting to see things in a different light but real, long-lasting, change takes time.
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
That's the feeling I got. They've been set in their ways for thousands of years, and the movie takes place only two years after Change Your Mind. Of course it's going to take them a while to fully understand the changes and why they have to be made. But they are trying. Steven couldn't have been there for every time they do something (like disband a colony or say please and thank you), so the fact they continue to do it when he's not around is worth noting. There is a level of autonomy ("Steven said this is bad so I shouldn't do it") in their actions.
@CJCroen13934 жыл бұрын
Plus they're immortal, so it's not like they have a limited timeframe to change or anything. Unless Greg decides to do his thing again...
@astern.74254 жыл бұрын
They've been conquering entire planets for eons, yet Steven managed to make all 3 diamonds "see the light" in just one day.
@alexandrub87864 жыл бұрын
@@CJCroen1393 i think that is called:"death by snu snu"
@jauxro4 жыл бұрын
@@alexandrub8786 *tHe OLd uNiVErSe CHArm*
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
The Diamonds have spent eons running an entire society the way they felt was best. It's going to take some time for them to change their ways.
@staticshotaop5614 жыл бұрын
Lucas Martinez change yo profile pic how you look now
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
I've no interest in doing so thank you.
@purpleemerald52994 жыл бұрын
Lucas Martinez Wait a minute...YOU HAVEN’T GROWN AT ALL SINCE THAT PICTURE WAS TAKEN, HAVE YOU!? *YOU’RE AN IMMORTAL EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL BEING, AREN’T YOU!?*
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
Whoops. You got me.
@Kanu034 жыл бұрын
that’s what i’ve been saying. the diamonds are thousands(maybe even hundreds of thousands) of years old. the amount of time that passed from cym to the end of the movie is the gem-time equivalent of like an hour. the diamonds won’t truly be changed beings until long after steven’s gone
@DJPrimeAmvs4 жыл бұрын
At least Blue looks like she's trying.
@velocityraptor28904 жыл бұрын
probably because she's the one that cares the most
@cryptidliam84524 жыл бұрын
Lucas Santos yeah she’s the one who kidnapped Greg
@rat-dog73574 жыл бұрын
@@cryptidliam8452 She also seemed to be the one to use shattering as a punishment more than the other diamonds did
@cryptidliam84524 жыл бұрын
One Aesthetic Boi yeah to try win over Steven she said ‘I haven’t smashed any gems!’
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
+Fluff Whiskers Context. She did that because she thought the Earth was still in danger of imploding due to the Cluster.
@rett0644 жыл бұрын
Blue Diamond: I don’t murder people anymore. Yellow Diamond: I liberated my colonies! White Diamond: I use manners-
@robertharris60924 жыл бұрын
"Ok good were making progress" "Ok good were making progress" "..."
@CJCroen13934 жыл бұрын
"I've been saying nice things even to those filthy organics!" "White >:(" "(sigh) _Very clean_ organics..."
@jammy95973 жыл бұрын
Progress? I guess
@Monkey-081hs11 ай бұрын
Whites improvising at least, using good manners is much better then mind controlling people
@zappafuriousАй бұрын
Pink Diamond: DEAD
@frickinfrick84884 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you mentioned Pink Diamond as an example of what happens when diamonds are shattered. It bothers me how many people think shattering them is a good idea. 1. We’ve never seen a diamond shatter, we don’t even know if it’s possible and considering their power it’s going to be near impossible to do so to one, let alone all 3. 2. Unless you’re able to shatter all 3 at once, the remaining diamonds in power will just cause another civil war, likely even worse than the gem war. 3. If by some miracle you were to shatter all 3, what makes you think all of gem kind would suddenly be on board with following the crystal gems? They just murdered their leaders! This would cause complete chaos and so much death and destruction. Neutralising them is a better option in every single way. This isn’t SU forgiving tyrants, this isn’t SU being mushy and redeeming all the villains, this is just the most logical course of action to reduce harm.
@CJCroen13934 жыл бұрын
Point number three is the one I'm surprised so few people seem to understand. Like, how do SU Crits _think_ such a scenario is gonna play out? The Crystal Gems: (kill the Diamonds) Steven: We did it! We freed you all from your servitude! No need to thank us! Homeworld Gems: ... Steven: ...What? Homeworld Agate: THOSE MONSTERS SHATTERED OUR BELOVED LEADERS! Homeworld Aquamarine: GET THEM! When indoctrination runs this deep, it's hard to unlearn. The Homeworld Gems aren't gonna magically switch alliances just because their oppressors are dead because in their eyes, they _weren't_ oppressed.
@MasterIsabelle Жыл бұрын
Good point, it’s best to as befriend the evil gods if you can’t defeat them, it’s the best thing that could’ve been done honestly
@fukquro Жыл бұрын
this is such a cop out. if you are right, it’s a failing on the writers end to construct a story with these themes and have the resolution be so thematically questionable. they wrote themselves into a corner, every facet of the story ran away from them due to abysmal planning
@user-pz6ik7xz3e8 ай бұрын
Tbh at best blue and yellow seem like the best candidates for 'redeeming', white is a toxic gem who literally FORCES her control on her gems and others + was willing to rip out Stevens gem all to just bring pink back, i think they should've bubbled her and locked her far away in some isolated galaxy or smth.
@giovanniorellana22004 жыл бұрын
Steven in the movie is all like, "I've had enough of this mess!" XD
@mariyaa20954 жыл бұрын
Giovanni Orellana yeah, so that’s why he seemed a bit impatient. So he had enough. Especially that he had already experienced sooo much in the past.
@ne0njuice7824 жыл бұрын
I don't blame him, he deserves a nap. :)
@mariyaa20954 жыл бұрын
Starry Animations & more! I agree
@maddilinekathryn56844 жыл бұрын
Just let the kid breathe for a bit
@amytheprettyweirdfangirl37864 жыл бұрын
Rightfully so! Like jeez the kid's been through enough! Now he's gotta go all the way back, start from scratch, after literally _just_ singing a song on how they've all come so far, after feeling accomplished with himself that he brought peace to the galaxy... LIKE OMG! I agree with all of you, he just doesn't get a break! He's barely come to terms with his own problems, now he's gotta deal with fixing his friends, himself and the earth because of this demented pink Betty Boop ._. How has not broken after all this pressure and struggles? Omg I just want my baby to be happy ;~;
@Rosie_Boo_Animations4 жыл бұрын
Seeing how white diamond is in the villain pic in the opening sequence you’re right
@fennecwolfox4 жыл бұрын
I actually more agree with what an analysis said concerning White Diamond being in the Future opening and here's my take on it: I'd imagine we're going to get an episode concerning her trying to further overcome her prejudice even a bit. Maybe Steven invites her to Earth to meet people, but the giant worm thing (which is the same shade of pink-red as her) somehow is able to over take her and control her and when she arrives, she and Steven fight. Possibly at the end of the episode she has a very empathetic moment that hey, being controlled against your will and forced under another's heel is really shit.
@valentai_7774 жыл бұрын
Fennec Wolfox that sounds... dumb
@Direwolf1814 жыл бұрын
I think she's being controlled given she looks like she is in agony in the villain shot (plus she looks like she is forced fused with Jasper or something
@konpeitojellie4 жыл бұрын
@@Direwolf181 she's not fused with Jasper. I think that she probably got corrupted
@DeathGodRiku4 жыл бұрын
I hope that Blue and Yellow get redeemed. I want white to remain antagonistic
@DragoNugget4 жыл бұрын
Same, or only blue
@DragoNugget4 жыл бұрын
Maybe she can be only redeemed
@reasyrandom4 жыл бұрын
If the Diamonds actually become antagonists again in Season 6, I'll stop watching. I'm just fed up with them, I think we should focus on other villains.
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
@@reasyrandom Yeah. They can provide some good episodes dealing with letting go of personal demons and dysfunctional behavior, but their time as villains has past, even if it was rushed.
@Chopsparillo4 жыл бұрын
Well looks like you’ll get your wish in the Steven Universe future theme song they show all the villains and white is there .
@mackielunkey22054 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This what I needed. And really think about it: Steven basically got an empire in the palm of his hand. That's actually pretty cool.
@amaridesu11414 жыл бұрын
I think the diamond redemption argument sort of lost what the main point of criticism was.It's not that the diamonds have been redeemed, just that the series decided to end without ever really tackling how a gem would feel about being controlled by the diamonds for this long. Like, what the hell must white pearl be going through??? How did she cope after all these years now that steven effectively freed her from living as a puppet? At the end of the day, a totalitarian regime getting broken down won't happen overnight. But when it comes to how the gems and the surrounding world reacts to the diamonds, it seems like there was never a moment of reflection. Spinel's character was honestly kind of wasted; not because of her past but because it was connected to rose instead of another diamond. Just like TR says, I'm not expecting that Spinel would have shattered a diamond. I just think that it would have been more compelling to have her take it out on the diamonds instead of rose and have steven both defend the diamonds and relate and empathize with spinel. Rose being a punching bag missed a really good way of actually showing some damn cause and effect with the homeworld gem's new relationships and feelings with the ruling class. Hell, people shouldn't like steven and many would be understandably jealous and mad at him too, just for being a descendent of the ruling class. He's a lovable great character but the atrocities of the diamonds are just. not. recognized. Not by a single gem outside of offhandedly by the crystal gems.
@envyq004 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Someone said it clearly
@nuibaba2804 жыл бұрын
That's the problem, SU even had to end prematurely. It's why fan content benefits from this.
@Drekromancer4 жыл бұрын
I think they're going to make it a big focus in the new season.
@greenamber98272 жыл бұрын
I thought Volleyball Pearl was unconscious when she was controlled.
@josephinamungaray6118 Жыл бұрын
@@greenamber9827 She was. Pink Pearl said herself that "8,000 just *blimp* gone".
@dr.altoclef92554 жыл бұрын
Honestly people had a complete 180 towards the Diamonds. “Look, they are all literal dictators and kill their own people but Pink hurt people *emotionally*, so she’s basically Satan and they’re all kind gentle out of touch quirky parents!” Steven didn’t ‘forgive’ dictators, many fans did. The show clearly shows that they are extremely toxic and abusive. He got them to listen.
@astrobookwormsinger4 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY OMG
@seeyoutomorrow33204 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU.
@Sayo_Toshimoto4 жыл бұрын
The diamonds might be dictators but Pink is a race traitor who caused more harm than good and her selfish actions lead to countless gems being shattered or corrupted. Most of the non crystal Gem gems are fine with following their inter purposes.
@dr.altoclef92554 жыл бұрын
Sayo Toshimoto Ahah...no. She decided she wasn’t cool with the Diamonds killing a planet of beings. She realized what all their bullshit entailed. That is, murdering countless just to use the planet for spare parts. They chose to go to war over *one* planet. They could’ve just decided it was too much of a hassle but no, they went to war, their choice, over one planet that they weren’t going to use. They were basically just going to hollow it out and reduce it to rubble, barely functioning even as a planet. Going to war over the thing they were going to trash was their idea. They’re the war criminals who corrupted innocents because they couldn’t handle being told no. And of course they’re happy, if they show that they aren’t they die.
@fin89204 жыл бұрын
@@dr.altoclef9255 yes and also it wasn't like pink never tried to talk to diamonds we we're shown over and over in the show that pink did everything to save earth. Even after starting the rebellion she still pleaded as pink diamond to just leave the earth alone. It was only her shattering that finally did something.
@madcat7894 жыл бұрын
God I hope White is just playing a redemption Arc and is still a villain.
@pepethelastsamurai34804 жыл бұрын
I want yellow and blue to fuse to stop white.
@pepethelastsamurai34804 жыл бұрын
@@fanta6285 Yea, I mean early on in the show Amethyst and Pearl couldn't even stay as opal for more than half a second, but when it came to saving Steven they were on the same page. And Garnet's first fusion was completely by accident.
@samwallaceart2884 жыл бұрын
Thinking White split off a chunk of her personality into a Dark Diamond, Jekyll/Hyde style.
@cryptidliam84524 жыл бұрын
If the three diamonds do fuse they better become the hope diamond (the most expensive gem ever)
@kerri60114 жыл бұрын
I'd rather have a bigger/badder villian, the diamonds have destroyed planets for eons even if there was life there they must have a lot of enemies that they thought they'd wiped out that want revenge and they've mentioned the diamonds being at war with another alien race for seasons it'd be cool if this came to play
@izzymcgee25274 жыл бұрын
I definitely want to see more development on the Diamonds' part. It would be interesting to see Homeworld calling them out on abandoning their purpose as Diamonds just to chase after Steven.
@888fluffy4 жыл бұрын
I actually love the heated discussion around the diamonds and what it says about redemption. I love it because these are problems we face in the real life justice system. They say the goal of justice is to rehabilitate bad people. And many people think that, in order to become rehabilitated, bad people must be punished (i.e. to be redeemed, you must go through hardship). It's basically the idea of Karma. But more recent science shows that punishment can often have the opposite effect. Doing bad things to bad people causes a negative feedback loop, ultimately making them worse. Many cases have shown that just skipping the punishment all together, and using neutral-positive techniques (like steven does), can actually speed up rehabilitation. Yet, we still insist on punishment. It doesn't feel right to let a tyrant, a murderer go free, even if they're harmless now. And sometimes I agree, it does feel wrong. Does not killing people anymore mean they've truly changed? What is the goal of justice? Some surprisingly big questions are brought up from this discourse and i am here for it honestly
@Andyatl20024 жыл бұрын
Rom, I think White is the only one that really can’t be redeemed, everything seems so fake about her...
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
I think while what Steven is doing is better for the Diamonds, they will likely go through some hardship as they change. Even now they've gone through a lot of grief after Pink left them which is something none of them have really experienced prior to that. That's something for them to work off of.
@lindenbug4 жыл бұрын
That's a really great point! It's been interesting to observe where people determine that violence is the only solution. Revenge vs. Justice is an age old trope, literally. Go back to myths thousands of years old and you'll find people making commentary over the same problem: where does the violence end? And now here comes Steven Universe putting theory into practice and finally saying "hey look, I know they don't deserve to be forgiven but this is the only way to make everyone else's lives better." And people still can't fathom it. Revenge and justice are so deeply tied and engrained into our culture that "violence isn't the answer" sounds corny when it *should* sound radically profound.
@firemiracle4 жыл бұрын
Rom Sometimes i feel that bad people deserve the cruelest punishments because of what they did. But yet there are moments that i do think some need help in order to become better when they do feel some regret. Your points about rehabilitating others sounds so interesting, especially about the scientific part about how cruel punishments can effect a bad person in a very negative bad way.
@yub2.0454 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Without a legal system, people will think there's no bounds to their actions and therefore, instead of slowly becoming worse and worse, they destroy and be at their worst from day 1 This is why I believe punishment should be set HOWEVER, ineffective punishments is what leads to this "becoming worse and worse" effect. The legal system should put severe punishments that will immediately stop criminals, instead of giving a few pulses every now and then (just putting them in jail then setting them free, then they do something so they go to jail again then set free, and so on)
@lionclan45754 жыл бұрын
honestly all this talk about the diamonds being 'redeemed' really makes me question if anyone knows what the word redeem even means. they certainly aren't redeemed, just no longer being evil dictators. which, is good, but far from redeeming themselves and everything they've done. And, noticably, Steven has never forgiven them for their actions, just showed them that they could just, NOT be evil dictators and that they should at least try to fix what they've done.
@calmingwaves31344 жыл бұрын
I think--just my opinion-some in audience think the Diamonds were not punished adequately for their wrongdoing, so they FEEL redeemed. Basically who in our real world would treat the Diamonds how Steven did. It's idealistic but is it fair? The show sometimes is teaching about serious topics and treats it seriously. But treats genocidal dictators cartoonishly--like G. I. Joe and He-man. It's fascinating, because Steven Universe's writers treated cartoons seriously so did some of it's fans--the treated everything seriously.
@calmingwaves31344 жыл бұрын
@The adult Tina was here yep, agreed.
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
I mean no one's really in a position to punish them. They're kind of the strongest beings in the universe with the highest authority and have been for eons. Who's gonna punish them? I think having to change their ways and their society is enough of a punishment for them for now. Maybe more stuff happens in the next season and the future series.
@calmingwaves31344 жыл бұрын
@@lucasmartinez5703 You are right. I've been struggling the think of a punishment/lesson for the Diamonds. My idea is for them to willing give up their thrones and live wherever there is life most affected by their rule, wherever there is the most damage--while of course helping to fix their former empire (they're already doing the last part).
@Drekromancer4 жыл бұрын
I think there's another factor to the lack of punishment: any amount of punishment inflicted on the Diamonds (at least at this stage) would only cause friction and hamper their ability to reform society. Sure, they deserve more punishment than they got. But A) they're kind of too powerful to punish, and B) they're too *useful* to shut down. Right now, they're *gods* who can use their social control to reform society and normalize new standards for behavior. Even if they only follow the letter of these social reforms, and not the spirit, they're still affecting widespread positive change with almost no friction. There's no point in punishing or imprisoning the Diamonds right now, because they're just too useful as willing pawns in the liberation of Gem society. Maybe when everyone is settled into a better version of the Gempire, we can talk about consequences.
@reviewtechUSSR14 жыл бұрын
Hitler: "You know what guys, my bad!" Allies: "Aww, shucks. That's our Hitler!"
@robertharris60924 жыл бұрын
The irony is hitler was seen to have a lot of potential to be a great and influential statesman by everyone he met, american, english, german, etc. But then he got mixed in with political extremism and scapegoating.
@lilithiaabendstern63034 жыл бұрын
@@robertharris6092 no "Mein Kampf" was already written as he became chancelor, he only was good at rethoric - but yes, he was such a good guy, he only learned the best things from Mussolini - also the same could be said about Stalin, he could be really funny in privat, but does this redeem him of anything he had done? but ok, for a "democratic nation" that redeems itself time and time again for every war it started in middle east, no wonder where you get such views
@brandonlyon7303 ай бұрын
Ironically Vegeta has a higher body count then Hitler and people were find with him getting a redemption arc.
@ohno83984 жыл бұрын
This was beautiful. I love the Diamonds as characters, but yeah...
@HOPEfullBoi014 жыл бұрын
*LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OPENING OF **_STEVE UNIVERSE: FUTURE_*
@DreamDis4 жыл бұрын
Hope Diamond Sasa-GAY-o 😍 Yesssss!
@HOPEfullBoi014 жыл бұрын
@@DreamDis *HYPE*
@jrw23194 жыл бұрын
I honestly think Blue is the closest to being actually "redeemed" since it shows she's actually trying to change
@rat-dog73574 жыл бұрын
How? The show makes all the Diamonds seem like they're trying to change. I think the only reason you say that is because Blue seems softer than the others. She did just as many horrible things as White and Yellow and is only changing to Appease to Steven.
@huwutao87262 жыл бұрын
@@rat-dog7357 -Shattered Gems -Imprisons Humans in a Zoo -Didnt try to understand Pink -Shattered gems -Conqered many planets Yup
@RandomPerson-ti7qx2 жыл бұрын
@@huwutao8726 The shattering and conquering gems is something they all did as a group, so of course. Imprisoning humans in a zoo. This was mainly done to protect them from the earth so they could still destroy it for resources. Is it wrong? Yes. But we help endangered animals in the same way (which is how the diamonds saw us, Connie being called Steven's pet is a good example of that). She also didn't get the chance to understand Pink due to a line of thinking. Once Steven made her aware that what was happening wasn't normal, you could tell she felt terrible for all she did to Pink. That's why she proudly declares that she hasn't shattered any gems when Steven visits (compared to Yellow being annoyed and White just trying to get brownie points but screwing up by calling other gems lower life forms). As of right now, she's doing it because of Steven and for Steven, but she is generally trying to be better. Compare that to Yellow who's annoyed she has to do all this, and White who's just doing this so Steven can come back and be with them. Did she do wrong? Yes. Is it redeemable? Eeehhhh.... Hard to even try to say with them just starting their journey to being better people.
@captainblackhook98884 жыл бұрын
My issue was never "oh no, he didn't shatter them", it's just the whole way he made them listen to him was unsatisfying and rushed.
@ShrubSparrow4 жыл бұрын
I actually quite like it, to be honest. Because everything White Diamond did was based on the belief that she was perfect and flawless in every way, always right about everything. The fact that she was wrong about Steven being just Pink pretending to be a human was the main game changer. Steven's little remark only added salt to that wound, causing White to blush slightly. This proved, and showed to everyone, that she is in fact capable of being "off-color". After this she couldn't deny it any longer, and had to open her mind to reconsider her worldview. No one says that the change will happen fast, though.
@yonsetv52234 жыл бұрын
U guys love missing the point on purpose dont you? HER FUCKING WORLD VIEW WAS CHANGED IN THAT MOMENT
@captainblackhook98884 жыл бұрын
@@yonsetv5223 I get that her whole world view was to be changed, but the phrase being aglorified version of "no u" seemed a bit weak, considering how she didn't pay no heed to any words until then, you would expect her reaction wouldn't be embarrassment, but to zap Steven some more to shut him up. If you are so rooted in your own beliefs for that long of a time, a simple single rebuttal will not make you suddenly crumble.
@reasyrandom4 жыл бұрын
I personally loved how Blue Diamond decided to help Steven because she wanted to, how Yellow realized that fighting Blue wasn't worth it and how Steven practically said "fuck you" to White. If anything, I would've left Blue and Yellow controlled by White for a bit longer, having them float around the palace like her Pearl and actually providing foreshadowing for White's defeat. It would've ruined the pacing of Change Your Mind, but I would've preferred that episode to be two 30-minute episodes back-to-back rather than a 40-minute special.
@nuibaba2804 жыл бұрын
Agree
@GeneralKenobi754 жыл бұрын
The thing that really irritates me about the show wasn't that is made the Diamonds redeemable. It's that the show just hand waves away all that these murderous fascists have done. And yes they are fascists by definition. Not all fascists are Nazis. The show just seems to want you to forget that these three have wiped out the populations of other planets which to them, was the equivalent of stepping on bugs. Enslaved their own kind and gave them no personal choice and if any them stepped out of line, they were executed as if they didn't matter. They are evil, there's no other way to describe them. They may be complex characters, but it doesn't change the fact that they are still evil. Pink is the only one who showed any amount of empathy towards others. And yet Change of Mind just wants you to forget that so they can rush to the end. The Diamonds aren't actually punished for what they've done, and that really makes it feel contrived to me. The movie may have showed that it's not just a forgive and forget scenario, but after all they've done, I'm siding with Bismuth here. And honestly, the Gem Empire deserves to fall.
@swiper17534 жыл бұрын
Who gonna punish the diamonds? you think they wouldn't just curb stomp steven if he tried. The reason why they are never punished is because they are too powerful to be defeated. And remember the diamond empire has already been dismantled as they said at the start of the movie.
@GeneralKenobi754 жыл бұрын
@@swiper1753 He'd find a way. Or the writers would come up with a way if they weren't too busy rushing everything for the end.
@The1Sorgente4 жыл бұрын
@@swiper1753 Hello are we forgetting that Pink Steven exist, and also clap white diamond in a matter of seconds. If you wanted to say that Blue, Yellow, White diamond are so op, then think again about how the smol pink boi did.
@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda98214 жыл бұрын
@@GeneralKenobi75 you realize innocent gems that were oppressed would simply fall under management from high class gems you would need to destroy homeworld completely and start from scratch and ain't no body got time for dat
@GeneralKenobi754 жыл бұрын
@@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821 Empires fall all the time. And if the majority of the lower class gems rebel, the upper class are basically powerless. They'd have no army or work force to support them if most of the under caste rebelled. It was mainly fear of the Diamonds that kept the other gems in line. Without them they'd start thinking for themselves and going "hey, things are much better when we make our own choices."
@m0m0554 жыл бұрын
“Talking about beings that literally destroyed other planets” “Killed their own species if they’re defective” “Unfair and very unpleasant beings to be around with” Well that sounds familiar.
@m0m0554 жыл бұрын
@@unicornbunny5439 I was just throwing some shades to what humanity as done throughout history because I like to complain about human beings, lol. But it's irrelevant to the discussion about the Diamonds.
@Kaleysia4 жыл бұрын
But to be fair, we are only destroying our own planet. Soooo humans 1, Diamonds 0
@brandonlyon7304 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Vegeta from Dragon ball as well.
@m0m0554 жыл бұрын
Kaleysia That’s not better you do realize that 😂 But yeah this is off topic
@Kaleysia4 жыл бұрын
@@m0m055 yeah, I know. It was a joke. ;)
@ruthcostigan42684 жыл бұрын
I agree and disagree. They were shown to still be rude and they literally admitted that they see Pink in Steven so that’s why they’re helping him and I’m glad you’re analyzing this more than others have. But I disagree as I feel like the show is treating them as redeemed as they were treated like adorable grandmas in the movie that are loving which is offensive due to the fact that they’re being smothering. This shows that they are shown as being sweet and in my opinion redeemed even though they deserve to be shattered in my opinion.
@Humanman4804 жыл бұрын
I see where you're coming from, but to me they didn't really seem sweet. The way they tried to get Steven's sympathy and convince him to stay with them, mostly because they still see Pink Diamond in him, for their own selfish reasons sounded really manipulative if anything.
@ArteArt394 жыл бұрын
Idk I think they sounded creepy
@proton86894 жыл бұрын
@@Humanman480 Sounds like an exaggerated version of the racist grandparents who still want to be part of the family reunions.
@yellowmesh78214 жыл бұрын
because HE IS PINK DUMMY...gems might have a projection but he is still the same gem at the core. you can't revert millenia in a year.
@TheDemonCurupira4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking more along the lines of them being That Racist Grandma/pa everyone has and is kind of ashamed of but what can you do, they're family. You'll never approve of who they are as people but you can't just kill them. This isn't that kind of show and even Avatar did the same thing. Though, admittedly, Zuko was fully on board with the idea of killing his father it was a kid's show so we knew that wasn't going to happen (At least not on screen... Jet) because the lesson is "compromise", not "solve all your problems with violence".
@spiritxdancer4 жыл бұрын
I’d agree with you, but one thing kept bothering me and I think the show needs to address this , although the movie made a good start. Steven kept calling the diamonds family. His thoughts are pretty clear. He just stumbled into this solution, it wasn’t strategic at all. For your interpretation to work there had to have been a conscious decision. Steven was just lucky his nativity didn’t get him killed.
@gottesurteil32014 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree. Everyone is whining about how the Diamonds haven't redeemed themselves but why should they? They could wipe out Steven and co on a whim but they don't because they just want him to like them. They need a real reason to change where their rigidity threatens their existence somehow, that is why most people change.
@robbiethecontroller96424 жыл бұрын
The Diamond authority is literally the imperium of man from the tabletop game Warhammer 40k. I made a connection when you said that the diamonds have destroyed other planets, killed their own kind for being defective, and being overall just unfair and very unpleasant to be around in genuinely. Also I agree with you that the Big Diamonds haven't been redeemed.
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
The Diamonds are wonderful paragons of kindness and love compared to the Imperium of Man, who will torture and kill you for *reading the wrong book.*
@MK2396E4 жыл бұрын
Warhammer 40k Space Marines in a nutshell. For the emperor and Purge the heretics!
@nkbujvytcygvujno60064 жыл бұрын
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@disneymaniaish4 жыл бұрын
well two years it's not exactelly a long period for a gem so ... we can say that they are "in Phase" of redmption
@squibbles_4 жыл бұрын
I was fine with the idea of Steven reasoning with the Diamonds. My issue comes with the execution. It makes sense that Steven would have some power over them, being all that's left of pink, but it also feels like he's ignoring the sheer magnitude of their crimes, and sweeping it under the rug for the sake of curing the corrupted gems. People can be forgiven for their wrongdoings, but in order for that to happen they need to atone for their mistakes. Sugar clearly knows, or has an idea of this, because we saw it in Peridot after she mouthed off Yellow and helped stop the cluster. The Diamonds though, as far as we know, have done nothing to atone. No compensations for the lives, homes and relationships they've destroyed, they've just been sucking up to Steven like children- There iS a possibility for Sugar to investigate this topic in the next season, but my hopes aren't high to be honest. Sugar's also the same person who decided that the best way for Steven to overcome White was by roasting her-
@chuu3u2 жыл бұрын
i heard somewhere ( so obvi dont take my word for it xd ) that the episode peridot mouthed off yellow wasnt even written by sugar,, so that kinda explains a lot for me
@huebirdofhappiness39814 жыл бұрын
Toon Ruins:Let's talk about the Diamonds. NYCC:no *announces the new trailer*
@butterflybutterfly59474 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I completely agree. The Diamonds are not redeemed, more on the road to redemtion. And it's a long road. I'm optimistic that they will some day actually believe in what Steven is trying to teach them but two years is not enough to reach that yet. Other than that, great video.
@Lilyfied_4 жыл бұрын
My question is, can the Diamonds accept the fact that Steven can “age” and could possibly die? What would they do if they find out about it?
@CJCroen13934 жыл бұрын
Oooo...that'd be a hard-hitting revelation for them...
@huwutao87262 жыл бұрын
Yellow Diamond : ... Cant he just change his age by emotions? Blue Diamond : And thats why im here! White Diamond : That sounds very delightful! Lets do it! Steven : You guys know im here right?
@moonstonehersisters Жыл бұрын
They will get an *EMOTIONAL DAMAGE*
@squaglelabs56584 жыл бұрын
I don’t know. Having the diamonds be portrayed as fascist dictator‘s in the show only to have them act like clingy aunts in the movie is a pretty big leap.
@bernardmacdonagh95173 жыл бұрын
When the show ended I was like "so we're just going to forget all the planets and countless civilizationsites that they have destroyed for thosends of years " they aren't changing for them selves there doing it to please steven. I bet they will go back to how they where when steven dies
@Emily-bf6xtАй бұрын
I hope this is true but why did Yellow heal gems and offer for the cluster and isn’t the blue Zircon the new leaser. Plus if they tried, there woukd be opposition.
@Scream_Lord4 жыл бұрын
It's pretty likely the Diamonds aren't genocidal either. In one of the early documents or scripts or whatever it's called it stated that when they first started colonizing Earth the Diamonds were surprised to see life on the planet that looked somewhat like them and was intelligent and they were trying to figure out what to do about them. Humanity was likely Homeworld's first interaction with intelligent organic life ever. Everything before that was simple animals at most.
@lorettabes45534 жыл бұрын
Huh, never thought about that. I could totally see now how Pink became a fan of humans if they were the only intelligent species they found.
@matti.84654 жыл бұрын
Now that i think about it, there's no proof that in the show's universe there is any intelligent life besides humans and gems.
@ToonRuinsOfficial4 жыл бұрын
This has actually been confirmed. Ian Tweeted out that sapient life is extremely rare, humans are the first they've come across. So they literally have never committed genocide. That's an assumption that's been made from people who want to prove the point of them being Nazi's. Dictators are still bad, but it's important to get our definitions on things correct.
@nuibaba2804 жыл бұрын
^
@Emily-bf6xtАй бұрын
@@ToonRuinsOfficialGenocide is genocide. The gems probably met complext life forms they didn’t consider intelligent. They still stole the chance for advanced life forms to form and destroyed several planets.
@Butterism4 жыл бұрын
The show has always presented the Diamonds in either sympathetic and comedic light. The problem is, that when Kevin made Connie uncomfortable, Steven hated him. When Steven was told that the Diamonds tried to kill the closest things he had to moms or tried to kill them again, he called them family. How else is the audience supposed to interpret that? Steven showed full hatred/dislike towards Kevin but is only shown mildly annoyed with legit genocidal dictators. While the Diamonds may not be Nazis in the literal definition, there is no denying they are a close representation to them. The mass genocide,the cruel experiments, the belief in an ideal race. These are obvious correlations. With the way Sugar has handled her characters thus far, I do not have high hope for season 6. None of her characters who have truly done something bad, has suffered any true consequence. And unless she turns that around in season 6, her characters and story in general will remain poorly written. Edited for spelling
@jayreese85224 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@kaitlynclarke76514 жыл бұрын
There is no proof of genocide, nor is it mentioned anywhere in the show.
@almondjoy49384 жыл бұрын
@@kaitlynclarke7651 You mean the systematic oppression of off colors and the Cluster plot wasn't evidence enough?
@summanus44374 жыл бұрын
@@almondjoy4938 Actually one of the creators straight up said humans were more or less the first sentient life the Gems encountered. Of course Pink was the only one to stop and notice it, but the general implication is that the Gems wouldn't terraform a planet with sentient lifeforms on it. The other Diamonds only realised when they visited the world personally. Their general conversion of planets inhabited by non-sentient or semi-sentient life isn't really any different from how humans treat nature on our world. I'm not really a fan of them but the roundtable, specifically AweStruckVox, did a good video on it.
@Butterism4 жыл бұрын
@@kaitlynclarke7651 I know Steven Universe tends to ignore the Cluster until it's convenient to the plot, but may I please direct to the Billion gems shattered and forced into Fusion for the sole purpose of destroying the planet and committing mass planetary genocide. Shattering, mind you, is essentially the same thing as killing a Gem. Considering how large the Cluster is and the Billion of gem shards needed to create it, how is that Not genocide?
@snowflakeobsidian33094 жыл бұрын
BLUE seens tô be the most changed one
@susie_haltmann4 жыл бұрын
I wanna clarify that Steven was fed up of everything, not just the Diamonds's actions. Thats the whole thing he was singing about the whole movie. He just wanted his happily ever after back, and was tired of dealing with Gems and stuff. Just look at how he acted around Spinel. Look at his body language. Its not just about the Diamonds.
@RandomPerson-ti7qx2 жыл бұрын
With others he was like "eh I'll deal with it." but with the diamonds he looked immediately done. He's done with them especially.
Not really. I've seen the video multiple times and everything in it is true. Yea its 2 hours long but it's really well thought out and has fair criticism. I suggest everyone watch it.
@reasyrandom4 жыл бұрын
@@genieglasslamp5028 We know it's you, Lily. Get lost, you're not fooling anyone.
@Hey-Its-Dingo4 жыл бұрын
@@reasyrandom I can confirm I am not Lily, and I've watched her video multiple times, and I agree with a lot of it. I will also admit she is wrong in a lot of areas, but she has a lot of well thought out points that actually are correct. It isn't entirely accurate, but it is a very honest analysis.
@reasyrandom4 жыл бұрын
@@Hey-Its-Dingo At least some of her fans are actually thinking for themselves. Above commenter is either her trying to shill herself, a troll or just some kid who can't form it's own opinions.
@latrodectusmactans75924 жыл бұрын
People need to stop looking at this in a binary of good and bad. The Diamonds have changed because of their relationship with Steven. That still isn’t going to completely shift thousands of years of habit.
@CmdrKing4 жыл бұрын
One thing people aren’t getting: in real life, dictators are *not* very popular. Very often the majority, often enough the *overwhelming* majority, thinks the dictator is incompetent and bad for their people. So when violent means are used, there’s an entire society of revolutionaries, middle managers, and opposition politicians to take up the leadership after. In Steven Universe? Most gems have not yet awakened to personhood, so the citizenry are fairly oblivious to the diamonds shortcomings and rarely question their divinity. More than that, in the backstory they *had* a violent revolution, and the revolutionaries lost. The overwhelming majority of gems *do* support the diamonds because most of the original Crystal Gems were corrupted or killed during the rebellion. It would take years, or even generations, to awaken enough humanity in the bulk of gem society to create a bottom-up revolution again, and even that could fail since the diamonds have such godlike powers. So for saving as many people now as possible, a bottom down reform by manipulating the diamonds and leaving them unpunished for the time being is the most effective path.
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
You're totally right. Realistically, there's no one really questioning the Diamonds or opposing their rule and even the revolution failed to provoke any real change in gem society. So really how the Diamond redemption is being handled works because punishment can't come right away for them. It's unique with the Diamonds. It has to happen slowly and gradually.
@voluntaryextinction87104 жыл бұрын
They should be charged as war criminals. What they did was comparable to genocide and mass murder, the fact that there is no punishment for their actions is not justice.
@lucasmartinez57032 жыл бұрын
Not like anyone would actually charge them being the highest authority in space. Or would even want to.
@CinnamonGrrlErin14 жыл бұрын
Considering there's another season and other projects on the horizon, it's likely there's still a lot to wrap up with the Diamonds. I think if there is a new Gem War in season 6, or the start of one (just my theory btw), I can see the Diamonds needing to sacrifice themselves in some way to protect Steven. This is a show where the stakes get set higher and higher as time goes on, and I can't envision many other storylines where the Diamonds could redeem themselves any other way.
@lorettabes45534 жыл бұрын
Imagine if we got a whole season of 'Beach City episodes' with occasional gem stuff on earth. I'd still watch it. That reminds me: we haven't seen a lot of Steven's Earth. I kinda want to see more.
@CinnamonGrrlErin14 жыл бұрын
Although now that the new opening has dropped, the Diamonds do seem to be a little too happy, but who knows, change is one of the biggest themes in this show after all.
@ninjdraw83053 жыл бұрын
uhhhhh eeeeef mmmmm wellllllll
@princenadroj97664 жыл бұрын
I get a "mildy racist Grandma" vibe from the diamonds, and it's really noticable with White. The film actually does a pretty good job of showing that the diamonds haven't changed at all, and are only doing this to get Steven to side with them.
@dorothypierre7544 жыл бұрын
More like straight up Klansman grandmas, considering all the shit they did. They don't deserve forgiveness, but Steven forgave them anyway and gave them the chance to be better - that says more about his kindness than them.
@malikevans6344 жыл бұрын
A character from Game of Thrones put it best. "It's never too late to stop hurting people, stop killing people, and start helping people."
@breadsela28144 жыл бұрын
0:27 Love the Orchid shade
@nalathelioness3384 жыл бұрын
You mean Lily Orchard?
@breadsela28144 жыл бұрын
@@nalathelioness338 yeah
@darthestar87914 жыл бұрын
This video in a Nutshell: *Let's talk about how, and why, the Diamonds haven't been redeemed! Shall weeeee? :D*
@clenshin974 жыл бұрын
Why do some of you keep giving the show so much credit. Most people didn't necessarily wanted the diamonds shattered, but we wanted at least more substantial conflict and clash of ideologies between them and Steven, and what we got was nothing of the sort. It was just too fast, it doesnt even feel like they're putting up an act or anything, it just feels like the crewniverse wanted to wrap things up as quickly as possible and i doubt SUF is going to fix that.
@ToonRuinsOfficial4 жыл бұрын
No one is saying that the ending wasn't too fast. I'm in agreement with CYM being rushed. That said, no one if giving the show too much credit. It is EXTREMELY clear in what the intent was, even if they didn't reach it in the best way.
@mothdoc19094 жыл бұрын
I know it's late but, the crewniverse wanted CYM to be a lot longer, the network was forcing them to wrap it up.
@lucasmartinez57032 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of the problems with the show would have been fixed if there wasn't executive meddling involved. Sugar and the writers clearly didn't get to write the story they wanted to write.
@pikemand14104 жыл бұрын
I'm very confused about why you seem to believe that the only alternative to letting the Diamonds stay in power unpunished and unrepentant is killing them. You're absolutely right that Steven's super power is empathy, in fact he's the moral center of the show, which is why him being shown to 'tolerate' the Space Hitler Trio is more than a little disturbing.
@Drkonlime4 жыл бұрын
The Steven Universe community is bad at criticism and here's why. Edit: Also that was a great video!
@TelikiMouse4 жыл бұрын
Cant tell of this is a joke or not
@reasyrandom4 жыл бұрын
*The Steven Universe hatedom. Seriously, it's just the same arguments over and over.
@TelikiMouse4 жыл бұрын
@@reasyrandom dont all fan bases have the same problem but to each severity
@expunkstep72264 жыл бұрын
Do you mean the *rest* of the SU community?
@goros22894 жыл бұрын
Most of us criticize the show because Change your Mind was apparently the end of Steven Universe, and ending it with the redemption of the main villain in the span of 10 minutes clearly felt rushed
@laura-ni8ym4 жыл бұрын
Blue Diamond is probably the most redeemed, because she did admit she was abusive and is clearly trying to better her actions. Otherwise, the diamonds are so eradically written
@TheRazzblade4 жыл бұрын
I have so much respect for you; you're one of the only voices in the fandom that I find myself nodding along in agreement almost all of the time, even if I don't 100% agree with you, you're still generally dead on. Great job!
@gamerGirl900014 жыл бұрын
When you off offhandedly mentioned Lily's video it made me smile
@dragonempress83674 жыл бұрын
Idk... Lily orchard beats her own sister and enjoys it.
@Ruby-Doc4 жыл бұрын
*_[Agreed, we DO need to talk about the Diamonds... Yellow Diamond is flawless, Blue Diamond is way too depressed and White Diamond revealed herself to be far too flawed to rule homeworld... LET YELLOW RULE! BRING HOMEWORLD BACK TO ITS OLD WAYS!]_*
@dreamshade81234 жыл бұрын
Ruby [Doc] NO
@Ruby-Doc4 жыл бұрын
@@dreamshade8123 *_[Y E S ! YELLOW DIAMOND 〢❖ FOREVER!]_*
@dreamshade81234 жыл бұрын
Ruby [Doc] :3
@Ruby-Doc4 жыл бұрын
@@dreamshade8123 *_[... yay?]_*
@Orzacle4 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree. Blue, Steven and White need to be shattered and locked in the extraction chamber. Their mindless limbed gems shards shall fuel the eternal, PERFECT empire.
@syti4724 жыл бұрын
Everyone (everyone sensible) realizes that they aren’t actually good. The problem isn’t that they “turned good” over night. The problem is that Steven sees them as family and wants to help them to turn good. They are mass murderers and tyrannical rulers. And really, if Blue and Yellow were really that unhappy, they could have broken away from White’s control. White can’t control ALL the gems under Blue and Yellow combined. Gems that would die for them in a heartbeat. If Blue and Yellow showed up to White’s ship with a massive army, she would have been overpowered and poofed/shattered eventually. The problem is that Rebecca Sugar thinks that it is ok to teach people to forgive horrid people as long as your related and as long as you THINK you can get through to them. If Hitler had three children who were commanders in his army, would their crimes be justified because they were scared of him? Really?
@nyamcallister72084 жыл бұрын
I don't think Rebecca was intentionally trying to make fascists seem alright or anything in that vein. This is definitely a writing flaw, for sure, if you wanted to have a main antagonist be forgiveable and given the chance to redeem themselves, then it's best to not have them be absolutely terrible. But to say that this writing flaw is a sign of a moral flaw of the creator is just.. really a stretch.
@syti4724 жыл бұрын
Nya McAllister yes. I can see where you are coming from. But the thing is, Rebecca hasn’t stated anything about what lots of people have been saying about the morals of the show. When creators make writing flaws so morally corrupt and don’t say anything to clear the air? It leads people to suspicion. I just hope the she actually has a plan, and that she does something with White is StevenUniverse Future. Because this honestly cannot go unchecked. Everytime you watch a critique video about the show, someone mentions how f***d up the diamonds are. If this goes on for much longer it’s going to leave a huge stain on an otherwise good show. I really don’t want that.
@tumbke4 жыл бұрын
"Empathetically Manipulating them" is too accurate
@DragoNugget4 жыл бұрын
Everyone says Change Your Mind is rushed, but I think Blue diamond wasnt in my opinion The was handled the best of all i like her the most even more than pink/rose Tbh shes a b***h!
@vaati51174 жыл бұрын
Blue Diamond is the closest one to redemption, she truely feels bad for what she has done.
@DragoNugget4 жыл бұрын
@@vaati5117 yea
@angelsartandgaming4 жыл бұрын
I felt Blue Diamond would have been the first to be redeemed. She didn't seem like a bad gem at all, just misguided and sometimes regretful.
@DragoNugget4 жыл бұрын
@@angelsartandgaming yea
@jaczylijaaleniepowiemkto32434 жыл бұрын
@@DragoNugget yea
@Howdy_Its_Ash4 жыл бұрын
I'm never heard anyone seriously saying shatter the diamonds. Lily orchard, who you're clearly talking about, has an issue with the fascist apologyism and over-sexualization of literal children. Lily doesn't want the to actually murder the diamonds on screen, it's a children's show she knows that. All she wants is for the diamonds to not be turned up to 11 and be committing literal genocide. I understand it's upsetting for you when people say bad things about your special interest. I genuinely understand I'm on the spectrum too. But you cant take criticism as a personal attack and stop during paper tigers to tear down. Just found your channel and started to like it but gonna have to leave because of your lack of maturity. I'm not commenting to be a dick I'm trying to help you grow as a person
@tongue_pop33284 жыл бұрын
This actually makes sense. I was talking to a friend last night about how the Diamonds shouldn't have been redeemed. I'll send this to him now.
@grangerweasley4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you! As a side note, my kids (8&10 yrs old) watch too and they even understood that the Diamonds weren't redeemed!
@cornybram8454 жыл бұрын
I didn’t really like the last few episodes of Steven universe and kind of blew everything out of proportion and jumped to conclusions because of that. This video helped me understand more what it was going for, and I’m looking forward to seeing what comes next
@TigerDragon10014 жыл бұрын
I don't have the time to write out a full reply atm but I have a few Thoughts I wanna get out now: I agree that I wouldn't call the Diamonds redeemed but I disagree that the show makes it clear what they've done isn't okay. They handwave A LOT of shit. They never bring up the human zoo again, or the horrific forced fusions for instance. In the season 5 finale there was this whole fight with Blue and Yellow where Blue claimed they were both suffering inside, and then Yellow starts crying. That was clearly a move to make the audience feel bad for them. Because they're just so sad that they're evil tyrants :( it really hurt THEM to hurt all those gems and destroy other planets by their own choice :(( The movie felt like a retcon where Sugar realised what she'd done and quickly rewrote them. Also, who says it's kill the diamonds or bust? In Avatar they were able to neutralise the Fire Lord, stop the war and make real social change without killing him. Couldn't something like that be figured out? Even if killing the Diamonds ended up being the only way out and would cause the world to fall into chaos... the people in charge of SU wrote this world. THEY wrote it so that gems went revenge-hungry when Pink was supposedly killed. If they'd written it a little better, maybe they wouldn't have had to make the solution be "the power of nepotism will stop fascists".
@deathwolf1234514 жыл бұрын
It's not the redemption or the kill that people want and have a problem with it's how white was redeemed in an episode when it could of at least been a well developed take on all of the diamonds redemptions into tolerance. We already know they aren't actually redeemed our problem was how quickly and rushed the last episodes of season five wrote off the checklist. You had every Crystal gem fusion there only to say "there we did it" and then also white diamond as a finish. Sounds great on paper but the execution fell flat to a lot of people. This was hyped up for the entire show and it was only the last bit of an episode.
@eggnblood4 жыл бұрын
The criticism about the redemption is not about the Diamonds, nobody actually cares about them. It's STEVEN that's the problem. He SHOULDN'T offer forgiveness to genocidal dictators. That should be just common sense. Doesn't matter who they are or how much they lie to your face.
@FunnyFany4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I believe them going through the motions of "being good" is a half first step towards them changing for real. Yeah, they started off doing things because it appeases Steven, but once the changes start taking root they might realize the value in change and growth. In essence, where they're currently in the mindset of "we did good, reward us", they might end up realizing "doing good is its own reward". They need the Peridot treatment.
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
Bingo. As far as redemption goes, they're still getting their feet wet so to speak. Not enough time has passed for them to understand the value behind changing and growing out of their old ways of thinking. Right now, their current motivations will have to do but there"s still some show left for this all to work itself out.
@c_amo2 жыл бұрын
they dont deserve redemption. the things they've done, every experiment, every murder, every war... no one would redeem any human leader doing this stuff
@thelastwindwaker79484 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty tired of the desire for irredeemable villains, or for Steven to willingly kill people. I get that it can make conflicts predictable, but the message that anyone can change is more important.
@ranglefandangles4 жыл бұрын
Thing is, not everyone can change. You have to try, you have to put an actual effort in. And even then, there are some people who are too far gone to change in any meaningful way. I think it’s a far more important message that you shouldn’t have to put up with bad people doing bad things if you can do something about it (i.e rising up against a fascist oppressor)
@lucasmartinez57034 жыл бұрын
That lesson is also important, but I feel it shouldn't undermine the lesson that you should try to help people change before just assuming they can't y'know? Help them change and if they can't, then you'll know.
@ainsleyharriot60604 жыл бұрын
Sorry bud but not everyone is willing to change or be reasoned with
@robertharris60924 жыл бұрын
The problem is the shows naivete
@AnInkStick4 жыл бұрын
Dubious Consent it’s not a matter of IF someone CAN change. Everyone can. The determining factor is WILLINGNESS.
@Nephalem20024 жыл бұрын
What is there to talk about aside from the fact Blue Diamond is the hottest piece of Rock this show has turbo’d out?
@user-yc8jr8qh9l3 жыл бұрын
BAHAHAHHAHA FACTS
@littlebugguy4 жыл бұрын
I don’t mind that they’re not fully redeemed yet. It’s like they’re kids growing up, learning how to be good people. It’s hard to change immediately, and I think them struggling with their old ways makes sense and is okay natural. There are theories that they’re just pretending, but I like to imagine they’re only going to improve, and maybe with the help of Steven in the new series.
@ambriimoonstone41804 жыл бұрын
Steven is like an Oracle. Someone who uses emotions and insecurities of others to help them change. Tells them what would happen if they didn't change and how others would see them and affect their relationships.
@hueyfreeman6262 Жыл бұрын
More like uses his emotions to manipulate a facist regime into not being facists anymore
@dominiklehn28663 жыл бұрын
That ad placement i just got was perfect "They view their diamonds as gods, so if something were to happen to them-" *ad for the movie "panic"*
@alphabettical14 жыл бұрын
They only value Steven's diamond-ness /because/ pink died. They didn't take pink seriously because they didn't think there was consequence or depth to how they'd affect her. In a sense, Pink was right to shatter herself to get their attention, and then later was right in thinking a human-diamond hybrid would tug on their weaknesses.
@Howdy_Its_Ash4 жыл бұрын
I think white is gonna be the antagonist of Steven universe future. Lily orchard talked about this but you shit on her. White is gonna go back to her old ways as soon as Steven isnt paying attention. Her in the trailer isn't a fusion. It's her "blushing" you know how she turns pink in the movie. That but so much worse. I think the slight orange hue is her showing her yellow side. Her anger ans frustration, just like yellow
@Captain_Char4 жыл бұрын
The Diamonds can't be changed IMO, Homeworld uses a caste system, so unless something really really forces them to change, they're likely content to stay the way they are
@JEEVES6354 жыл бұрын
There is no caste system anymore. According to Unleash The Light, the Diamonds don't even have supreme authority anymore.
@GreenAJ4 жыл бұрын
Judging anything based on appearance is wrong 💎 👁 👄 👁
@namizou33054 жыл бұрын
Evil or not as characters i still love the diamonds and always will.
@user-yc8jr8qh9l3 жыл бұрын
Same :')
@sua86384 жыл бұрын
*We need to sing*
@Ruby-Doc4 жыл бұрын
*_[yes we do, I'll start... um... uh... okay, I hope everyone knows the lyrics! 🎶"oh, that's right I heard the story over and over again!"🎵]_*
@JackieWest114 жыл бұрын
@@Ruby-Doc *GEE ITS SWELL TO FINALLY MEET HER OTHER FREINDS*
@surrealsweets87414 жыл бұрын
@@JackieWest11 *THAT'S RIGHT I HEARD THE STORY DON'T REALLY LIKE HOW IT ENDS!!*
@miramerali58074 жыл бұрын
That was a great video, the steven universe the movie made clear to me that diamonds especially white diamond didn’t redeem themselves, which I thought was great because the ending of Change your mind broke my suspension of disbelief
@puppyhowler4 жыл бұрын
their like caged wolves, just because they can't hurt you, doesn't mean they're not dangerous, they're in a cage for a reason
@Mike-mf3ed2 жыл бұрын
The diamonds weren’t redeemed and this was proven in “future (season 6)” when Steven has conflicting dreams and thoughts about the diamonds…
@torturequeen16404 жыл бұрын
Just saying,but their 'personalities' are pretty overshadowed by their acts of genocide,fusion experiments,killing gems they see as defective and so on. The fact that the show insists on having them around,and not be punished for their actions is just a terrible decision,or lack of thinking on the creators part.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
How would you go about punishing the Diamonds
@torturequeen16404 жыл бұрын
@@deffdefying4803 If we must not kill them,then at least bubble them.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
@@torturequeen1640 That doesn't solve anything. They're put in stasis when bubbled, so they can't grow as people. They come out of a bubble just as bad as when they are put in.
@torturequeen16404 жыл бұрын
@@deffdefying4803 So just let them go free? The crew made the diamonds into such powerful beings so that there is no other option than to kill them,or talk to them out of their horrid ways.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
@@torturequeen1640 I don't know what should be done, but I don't think a StErN tAlKiNg tO will fix everything the Diamonds have done
@goldengoon40734 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. Finally someone gets it
@liannapfister82554 жыл бұрын
When redeeming a character...I don’t really care what they think, as long as their actions can be redirected & stay that way. If Yellow liberates her colonies, I don’t care how she feels about it, as long as she doesn’t start recolonizing. No, what bothers me is that she liberated them in the first place. If wanting to stay on Steven’s good side was the only reason, then her colonies must not have been important to her, in which case...why did she have colonies in the first place? Nothing should’ve been this easy. White being polite to others, that’s a super easy change. Discarding you’re purpose for existence? No. There needs to be a struggle.
@codafett4 жыл бұрын
Frankly, I find the message disturbing. "Forgive everyone, no matter how evil or destructive they may be."
@rhymebeat11424 жыл бұрын
I can only hope that by pretending to be good they connect with enough other people to genuinely grow Basically space rock The Good Place.
@yasminafarih36814 жыл бұрын
I m mostly worried about the last episode of season five and white diamond. She forcibly took control of blue and yallow diamond! She must've broken some sort of rule while doing that. Are you telling me there are no consequences for it? Not even yallow and blue gonna complain? I guess not.
@jeefberky91014 жыл бұрын
Got an ad about diamond jewelry just as you were talking about the possible effects of them being shattered, lol, nice
@LenOnTheDoor00004 жыл бұрын
2:03 then this begs the question: why do Steven bother continuing to try?
@KingOpenReview4 жыл бұрын
There isn't a better path.
@Ruby-Doc4 жыл бұрын
*_[it's the best thing to do]_*
@CmdrKing4 жыл бұрын
“Fake it until you make it” can work on toxic/sociopathic mindsets. If the diamonds spend enough time in a gradually reforming gem society, and see more nuance from organic beings due to spending time with them, and find that once being tolerant and accepting becomes habitual they’re happier for it, they are much more likely to keep it up on their own and develop internal justifications and philosophies that support it, leading to even better behavior.
@sparktwochristopher72404 жыл бұрын
Then everything would just go all the way back to square one.
@butterflybutterfly59474 жыл бұрын
@@fanta6285 But that's not what the show is about. It's idealistic and supposed to being out the positive in people. It's true that people in real life don't always change for the better or can change. But again, that's not what this is about.
@dkelrk14 жыл бұрын
Space Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong : *commit galactic war crimes Producers : Aww they said sorry. They are like friendly aunts now.
@carlsacel72223 жыл бұрын
you mean uncle lol
@alexanderkinzel33714 жыл бұрын
"This point of contention has caused fights in the fandom and multiple over two hour long unfactual diatribes on something that's a non-issue" *smells some Lily Orchard content*
@omarsanchez89564 жыл бұрын
You gave a lot of good points, but let me argue with you. The show is very bad at storytelling and rely a lot on interviews with the creators to fill plot holes. Like the roundtable justify their genocide cause Ian told that Homeworld have never face other intelligent creatures. The diamonds then are on the weird scenario that the show portrays them good and redeemed and their flaws are more portrayed as comedic than threatening. And that last part is another big flaw on the show, the emotional atmosphere around the diamonds and them as concepts. On Diamond days it feels more than Steven is on a bussiness trip, more than a dangerous diplomatic mission, the tension is non existent cause the diamonds are all lovey dovey with Steven, even though he is facing the worst people ever. This is also very clear when Connie and Steven starts to dance (even though they were told they should not dance in there, they have fused accidentally multiple times while dancing before, and they knew what Homeworld think of fusing). Now, I am saying this cause even though I agree with you with the movie saying (in part), that the diamonds are not redeemed, I also want to notice that the show is not very good about it. First as I said, the atmosphere around them is friendly and the worse Steven feels at them is annoyance, but Steven only talks about how they are overbearing and not other thing, while he could make more clearer that he only interact with them for compromise (and he had that chance while talking with Connie, and that would give her a more active role in the plot of the movie instead of her just cutting a car in half), when they talk about genocide or laugh about Spinel trauma, it is not uncomfortable at all, it is funny, most people found those scenes endearing and funny instead of a reminder that the diamonds are dangerous. Other example with the bad atmosphere around the diamonds is them appearing on the new intro, singing friendly around all the main cast, (not forgetting that there are no evidence that the Cluster have been healed at all but the diamonds are allowed to interact on that scene so friendly and happy and not as you said, (not redeemed) ). The third biggest example of how the atmosphere of the diamonds are weird and terrible executed around their redemption is the ending of the movie. Spinel sent by Steven to live with them is just awful. Spinel is a victim of emotional abuse and negligence. She was abandoned by a diamond and she has an emotional crisis for realizing that Pink did not love her as she did and that she failed as her purpouse of being a best friend (so if people find her overbearing, her jolly personality is not her fault cause she was programmed to be like that, and the ones who programmed her like that were the diamonds), so, either it is so shitty by Steven to send Spinel with the diamonds, even when he knows that they are not entirely good, that they are used to be abusers towards the gems that served them (pink Pearl is one of the examples), or he consider them as good people to take care of an emotional hurt gem. Edit. Also, the diamonds are allowed to visit Earth anytime they want but we never saw if all their previous victims that have most of their friends turned into the cluster, reactions. It is only important that Steven find them annoying instead of focusing on the emotions of their victims. And that's is also a big problem with the atmosphere around the Diamonds. The feelings of their victims. The Off Colors went through so many problems escaping Homeworld and saving their own lives(cause Steven was busy playing in a band), but when they found the Diamonds have reached them and their efforts were meaningless, it was used to be comedic. And again, we do not know what the un corrupted gems feels to be around their previous abusers that mutilated their friends intro the Cluster. If the show can not handle those themes as serious and just ignore them or used them as a joke, why it is the fault of the audience to interpret that the diamonds are redeemed? Also, I want to clarify something, I totally agree with you that shattering the Diamonds in Steven Universe would not make any sense, cause the premise of the show is love, but using pacifism to justify lousy writing is bad narrative. Violence or pacifism should be explored as they are, not just to be used as a plot device to finish your story
@Anonymous-js5zn4 жыл бұрын
Great point. Shouldn't there be victims of the Diamonds' regime who are still very hurt and want to seek justice by putting them on trial?