We Play Nephilim Commanders! | Commander Clash S15 E13

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10 ай бұрын

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@rickymccann3506 10 ай бұрын

Im definitely down for keeping game 1s like this in the final release of the video

@-homerow- 10 ай бұрын

Should have just done a BONUS GAME transition 😂😂

@winssports4830 10 ай бұрын

@@-homerow-that would've been so great lol..

@jlagos90 10 ай бұрын

I much prefer to see everybody's cam all the time. The crew has great banter and interaction so I simply love to watch them being themselves as they play. Also, to see them plot and think adds to the experience of the gameplay. Besides, the popping of the cams gets distracting.

@necroinsanity2639 10 ай бұрын

Agreed

@salamanteri_ 10 ай бұрын

Yup. Too flashy to my liking. Also it has to be insane amounts of work for a minor effect

@Soap_MikeTavish 10 ай бұрын

A huge part of playing just about any card game is seeing the other players' facial response to game actions - we don't use the phrase 'poker face' for no reason! Facial language and unspoken reactions are nearly as important to what players actually say in a card game, especially multiplayer ones. I completely agree, I much prefer to lose a bit of information in the players' hands than lose the main reason why we come here

@Steven-rb7ph 10 ай бұрын

it is so very distracting :O

@rsphii 10 ай бұрын

The editing seems to be a ton of work for what 95% of the viewers might find distracting at best. I get the idea behind it and in another environment it could definitely work. I do appreciate the editor trying new things but I think the viewing experience is noticeably better with the cameras up at all times! Just my two cents.

@Balderdashes 10 ай бұрын

You just know Phil cut a reanimation target for Portal and is immediately paying for it at the start of game 2

@Snargglecraft 10 ай бұрын

Niutuk- your editing of the first game is really good! You did a great job cutting out the chaff while keeping the banter and relevant gameplay. Definitely a good way to speed games up if there’s a two-game episode!

@dragonmaster47 10 ай бұрын

I like keeping the first game because it gives context, it's fun to know, and stats episode lol.

@AustinTipper 10 ай бұрын

Totally agree with the one ring house ban, think it’s way to powerful and feel like most weeks it’ll be more warping than the other house banned cards like sol ring

@SmashPortal 10 ай бұрын

Richard: Runs Mystic Sanctuary Richard: "I'm running two basics and my mana looks so bad!"

@nCedric1 10 ай бұрын

"There is a limit to my degeneracy" is by far my favorite Phil quote so far

@oafkad 10 ай бұрын

I've said it before but the intro is so good now. I love not having the entire surprise spoiled at the start. Its fun to be surprised as new things are drawn and played.

@sunstrid3r44 10 ай бұрын

For me the new cams are super distracting (but maybe i will get used to it with time) , and i like seeing the faces while they are thinking and ploting

@alasanof 10 ай бұрын

I didn't know Magic Online would allow you to use the Nephilim as commanders.

@winssports4830 10 ай бұрын

It's probably a custom format.

@JonaxII 10 ай бұрын

MTGO allows you to play "freeform", a way for anything goes, nothing is banned, formatless play, since pretty much forever. That's mostly used for super casual play or for outside-organized tournaments, both via direct challenges. I don't think there's any form of open queue or league for it, or if there is, it's not very popular. However, those direct challenge freeform events (historically organized via forums or reddit, nowadays discord) have birthed a bunch of decently popular fringe-formats, like pauper, penny dreadful or various no-banlist events. The Option to run freeform commander games, however, is a pretty new inclusion. The fact that that is now possible is at least partially reason for the goldfish crew to go and do interesting Format-Twist rule zero games like this one, and this is probably only the first of many semi-regular videos in this vein.

@xEddyTheGr8x 10 ай бұрын

I really like this change that people's facecams are actually not displayed while they're not talking, so you can see handsizes and stuff. I'm sure it's a lot more work to edit this way, but I think it's definitely worth it & really adds to the video!

@knightoftherake2448 10 ай бұрын

Great episode, now that magic online has custom rulesets Id love to see you do another no banlist commander or at least altered banlist, I’ve enjoyed your banlist podcasts in the past and I’d like to see what you’d do with it now

@aidanjones6105 10 ай бұрын

Definitely prefer seeing all the face cams at once, love watching everyone’s reactions during parts of the game. Feels more natural

@dannyhightower2712 10 ай бұрын

I am in the camp of keeping the cams on screen. I do like watching everyone reaction as they all play. When they flash in and out my brain gets distracted. Top notch editing as always. We appreciate you!

@seandun7083 10 ай бұрын

If you do this again, I would love to see the Lorwyn elemental Incarnations (guile, hostility, vigor, etc)

@Zentenski 10 ай бұрын

Ooh, I second that! Such cool cards

@SeleenShadowpaw 10 ай бұрын

oh yeah, the notions would be pretty dope :D

@Sequence19 10 ай бұрын

I love this and would be so hype to see more freeform commanders :)

@headhunterhades3816 10 ай бұрын

I’ve always agreed that these cards should’ve been legendary. If someone rolls up to my table and wants to play one as their commander I let them, so long as they then act like the card has the legend text on them. Ie, no copying them with normal spells or reanimating them with cards that explicitly say “can’t target legendary creatures”, can’t have your cake and eat it too. Edit: Upon seeing Tomer’s deck, I’d probably exclude ink-treader due to its absurdity

@poiri 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, Zada is already good, she doesn’t need 3 additional colors to abuse.

@FilippoCampana 10 ай бұрын

Actually if I remember right they admitted they're not legendary cuz they forget about it

@Rogue_Biologist 10 ай бұрын

I actually love being able to see all the cameras at the same time, means you catch a lot of reactions to things. The cameras constantly flashing in and out was distracting too

@marcuspainter4854 10 ай бұрын

I personally prefer seeing the face cams for the whole game, it's fun watching the crew interact!

@iiGiacomo 10 ай бұрын

I’m not so sure about making these honorary commanders because that first game was… woah

@charmandenator5686 10 ай бұрын

Ink Treader is definitely crazy. The others are cool and generally not broken though

@ericfletcher7046 10 ай бұрын

Now I really want to see one of those scryfall random weeks, but you actually get to use the card as your commander.

@oafkad 10 ай бұрын

Surprise Niuttuc at the start is 11/10.

@trollmore 10 ай бұрын

My playgroup all built decks with the Forgotten Realms Class cards as Rule 0 commanders. It was pretty fun.

@Cheerwine091 10 ай бұрын

Oo! That sounds very interesting. Might bring that up with my playgroup…

@Dragiceoriginal 10 ай бұрын

Richard: “I can’t kill his stupid ink treader” Gee Richard, if only you played SPOT REMOVAL lol, your policy of never playing removal really bites you today lol

@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 10 ай бұрын

Richard won lol

@TMidander 10 ай бұрын

Not game 1@@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147

@SabeJones 10 ай бұрын

@@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 ...not in the game where he said that though?

@adamhenwood1114 10 ай бұрын

Extremely weird comment from people soo mad that Richard thinks swords is trash that they didn’t even realise Richard literally won the second game. Don’t think he cared much about you crying WhErEs YoUr SwoRdS tO plOwShaRes

@Lucarioguild7 10 ай бұрын

@@adamhenwood1114 You mean the second game where multiple people had spot removal to slow down Tomer including Richard, extremely weird to completely ignore that fact but I guess cherrypicking helps your narrative better.

@JuanAponte1 10 ай бұрын

I would love to see more commander gameplay that’s edited like the beginning of this episode. It was really great. Kudos to your editor.

@VRanger100 10 ай бұрын

So cool they allow this on MTGO now. Does anyone know if there's plans to implement a "No Banlist" variation at some point? I get that it can be very degenerate, but when everyone plays degeneracy it can be fun content.

@SpecialKail 10 ай бұрын

They have like a fully customizable option now. So, yes.

@MTGGoldfishCommander 10 ай бұрын

You can play no ban list in freeform if you want to.

@RobiousIllyrian 10 ай бұрын

I personally prefer to see everyone cause I love to see your reactions to nonsense :) Also I’m sure Mr. Editor would love to do less work for the editing XD Lastly free firm commander is awesome!!!! Let the jank ideas flooooooow🎉

@skykur 10 ай бұрын

Phil, chainer doesn’t need you to discard a creature card to cast a creature from the graveyard. Any card can be discarded :)

@justynperry3786 10 ай бұрын

This has been my favorite episode of clash in the past 2 years. All due to the editing. Earned a like a follow and a comment from a decades long lurker type.

@jfrizzell6645 10 ай бұрын

Yes, in this case, showing both games was a good thing - the actions and comments in game 2 would have made little sense without seeing game 1 - great editing, as always, editor!

@MrGrovak 10 ай бұрын

Wow, big zada. sheesh that was a game 1. Seth mocking Crim for having so much spot removal, saying he wishes he was there, had me laughing so hard.

@seangalexander 10 ай бұрын

I recently caught up on a year or so of episodes, and I have to say, any time Tomer is on the Clash Ons are top tier.

@davidhansen5067 10 ай бұрын

I like the change to facecam display. It makes it easier to keep track of who's turn it is and track the conversation.

@AutkastKain 10 ай бұрын

I like the quick 1st game. It helped me know that I in fact do want to watch the 2nd game cuz I want to see more of these decks

@Eternalhachiiiiii 10 ай бұрын

I like the popping up facecams, it helps me assess more of the board at a glance, which is how I end up watching most of CClash (so listening mostly, until things get extra spicy)

@g.tacchi9941 10 ай бұрын

Those nephilim showing off were really cool. I appreciated. Didn't see when I read the effects they could go that deep...

@laxlangpunxaway9260 10 ай бұрын

Been trying to build a nephilim battle box for a while. Just finished a hard week at work, so excited to give this a watch!

@rubsomebacononit9843 10 ай бұрын

Tomer saying “I want something that puts stun counters on lands. Or would that be too much” followed by instant rejection of the idea was hilarious

@tylerhennessy2701 10 ай бұрын

“Have you considered just dying?” Lol best quote of the game

@froggystrap1232 10 ай бұрын

Thxs for the pop up at the beginning mister editor!

@mark1A100 10 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if goldfish did a video on the full eldraine set but I'm sure Richard is very excited to have a commander that reads turn to find out sang dagger every single game

@combosarefun4449 10 ай бұрын

I haven't watched much of the video yet, but I know that this style of editing with having the cams pop in, I think it can make you lose out on a lot of moments. I know Phil especially can be quite funny with some of his facialexpressions without saying much. And besides all of them are being filmed at all time. Its worth testing though, I'll probably edit this comment later to finish what I thought. EDIT: I see, it seems to only have been that way in the first game.

@kemperfranklin1935 10 ай бұрын

We appreciate the editing!

@wdeborde 10 ай бұрын

I feel like every week no one makes Richard have it and every week Richard wins. Im starting to believe in Crim.

@atk9989 10 ай бұрын

Yea but usually Crim is to busy focusing on pushing a 3v1 against Tomer then gets annoyed when Tomer doesn't focus on Richard.

@brningpyre 10 ай бұрын

The One Ring is soft-banned in at least one of the groups I play in, and I expect to have a conversation about it in the other ones, shortly.

@necroinsanity2639 10 ай бұрын

Wanted to say, i love the dedication to showeling carss that are currently being metioned, definitely against the popping in and out cameras though

@Cheerwine091 10 ай бұрын

I hope y’all do more Rule 0 stuff, it’s super cool!

@dandylifetv527 10 ай бұрын

Awesome editing! Perfect!

@TMidander 10 ай бұрын

The cheeky Phil in the intro, I love it!

@TMidander 10 ай бұрын

I will say that Seth outplayed himself. In every universe where Seth doesn't make Richard have it, he was at 0.0% chance to win.

@ReLeaseHaVoc 10 ай бұрын

I think Isshin in Phil's deck could be very cool! Especially if you play spells that put creatures in the graveyard. ;P

@BrewersKitchen 10 ай бұрын

Oh right, good call ☝

@ZackeroniAndCheese 10 ай бұрын

I think leaving in game 1 was smart. Thanks fornthe editor note

@davidklopotoski714 10 ай бұрын

MTG online lets you use non-legendary creatures as commanders?

@TheIndianaJonas 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's all I was thinking about

@MTGGoldfishCommander 10 ай бұрын

Yes, you can now set up custom rules for Commander when playing on Magic Online!

@davidhansen5067 10 ай бұрын

@@MTGGoldfishCommanderThat's awesome!

@user-dd3dz6vz7l 10 ай бұрын

@@MTGGoldfishCommander you should do a game where each of you picks an interesting non legendary to make a deck around. Would open unique mechanics and play styles. Like that Naya from coldsnap Tamanoa, Malestrom Archangel, Ankle Shanker, Havengul Lich, ect. Godhead of Awe was actually my first commander, I asked to play it and house rules were fine. It's unique, making everything a 1/1 and opened up fun plays. And my justification was that Godhead of Awe is literally a demigod of Shadowmoor so it in theory should be legendary. Commander is a casual format. House rules are always more important than "official" rules.

@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai 10 ай бұрын

@@MTGGoldfishCommanderYou’d think they would have let people do that from the start lol

@chrisdenney4251 10 ай бұрын

As I was scrolling at KZfaq and I came across the video, I definitely read it as Neapolitan commanders and naturally I was like “oh I like ice cream”

@SpecialKail 10 ай бұрын

Idk how I feel about the cams coming and going

@SpecialKail 10 ай бұрын

It's very chaotic

@rhettk6263 10 ай бұрын

Quandrix apprentice is a REALLY good card in simic spells decks like Jadzi, cuz the amount of filtering they both can do together is insane, and your deck keeps getting thinned of all lands and so jadzi can just hit all spells and keep storming off without a worry

@shadowfox513 10 ай бұрын

@Phil I'm not sure if it would have changed anything really, but Chainer says discard a card, not a creature card. You can discard anything to activate it's ability. might have opened up a few more lines

@zaclock-4228 10 ай бұрын

Phil wants to put stun counters on lands: meet Freyalise's Winds.

@BrewersKitchen 10 ай бұрын

Oof had to google that one, what a brutal card 😅

@jfrizzell6645 10 ай бұрын

The card draw denial in the second game was hilarious!

@Nathanael_Forlorn 10 ай бұрын

14:44 I agree to do the speed up that just happened. I do miss seeing all cameras at all times though.

@Ellie-bs5zq 10 ай бұрын

This episode made me curious about how many basics I tend to run and... well, for sure always run at least one for each color you have is my philosophy; other than that, I tend to run around 6 or 7 in my 5 colors decks, 8 for 4 colors, 10 for 3 colors, 14 for 2 colors and 20 for monocolored. And my one colorless deck has 7 wastes. I always try to run enough that if I had all of my basics on the battlefield and none of the nonbasics I wouldn't feel too pressed for mana.

@DeltaFiend 10 ай бұрын

Personally I run at minimum 10 basics in my decks, usually closer to 15 on average. I think people don't run enough basics and take any opportunity to run things like Price of Progress or Primal Order.

@alaraplatt8104 10 ай бұрын

im like obsessed with the jim murray sand token so i'm really glad about this

@Qiaoster 10 ай бұрын

Phil is so good at making thumbnail faces it's crazy

@robertbryce3225 10 ай бұрын

I know, right? Dude pulled a blue steel and landed it lol... ...damn I'm old!

@BrewersKitchen 10 ай бұрын

@@robertbryce3225 🤣

@Dragiceoriginal 10 ай бұрын

I was surprised you didn’t pre-ban Tomer’s Commander because of how utterly broken it is lol

@MTGGoldfishCommander 10 ай бұрын

I was considering not running it but I figured that it would be better to showcase the real potential of Nephilim since it's the only time we'll ever play them. Ink is definitely the strongest of the bunch, but I expected that Yore-Tiller and Glint-Eye would do some busted things too :P

@ShadWickBrand 10 ай бұрын

If Phil keeps telling us the legends of his Marneus Calgar deck he better bring it out for a clash if it ever comes to mtgo.

@BrewersKitchen 10 ай бұрын

Oh I will once I get the chance 🤩 Too bad there are still some key cards missing like Ethereal Investigator, Minn and Alandra. Almost all the "When draw second card = Create a token" cards in its colors 😓

@RyuPlaneswalker 10 ай бұрын

The Sand Warrior Tokens are probably part of the Promotional set, they used to have Tokens as Prizes, it is where I got my 1/1 Kamigawa spirit token.

@LovessHames 10 ай бұрын

Like 5 mins in and I enjoy the change 👌🏾👌🏾

@TwiztidHeir 10 ай бұрын

Phil, if you cut all the entomb effects you really need to increase the target count. I see 12 in the list, with ways to put them into the yard that is more than enough, but without I would be pushing for more like 20, so that you always have a decent chance of having them in the opening hand. That's the real reason that people run the entomb effects, it allows you to run more effective copies of reanimate targets without going way overboard on the mana curve.

@bearsdotzone 10 ай бұрын

I get where Phil is coming from by not running entombs. I’m brewing a Karador deck right now and I’d rather get cards into my graveyard in a creative way. I’m concerned that if I run entomb I’m just gonna see the same bombs every time and not enjoy the breadth of my 99.

@Kestral287 10 ай бұрын

I did the same thing with Meren once upon a time. And I actually cut Entomb from Muldrotha; I play Gravebreaker Lamia but found Entomb itself doing a lot less than I would have thought.

@Kryptnyt 10 ай бұрын

This week Seth finds out that sorcery speed Teferi's Protection is actually not a great idea most of the time

@SilverMyr73 10 ай бұрын

When your favourite nephilim is the only one not being played 🥲

@metatron8578 10 ай бұрын

Everything can be your commander week please.

@hanschristopherson8056 10 ай бұрын

As it turns out spot removal is good actually wow

@NightKev 10 ай бұрын

The amount of punts from Richard and Phil at the end of that second game... though somehow I don't think any of them actually mattered.

@Kestral287 10 ай бұрын

In regards to the color identity thing, I think that was in relation to the commander deck cycle more than the Nephilhim, and happened because of the Nephilhim having weak identities. Saskia is defined by her lack of blue: she's aggressive and direct, pointing at a player and saying they die. K&T are defined by their lack of black; where black is selfishness and ambition they're generosity. Some worked better than others - Atraxa stands out as a pretty general one - but that was the idea and it was how they justified designing that cycle after the failures of the Nephilhim.

@-homerow- 10 ай бұрын

I want to see The One Ring house banned next season. Mostly just to hear what it was replaced with in practically every deck. I suspect there is likely many more synergistic and/or flavorful one-of-fun-of type cards that would take the slot

@carlsather 10 ай бұрын

No.1 like Finally got one!!!! love your guys content, keep it up.

@nCedric1 10 ай бұрын

If it makes you feel better about making a reanimator deck without tutors, Phil, I have an Erebos Bleak-Hearted deck that has only 1 aristocrat effect and it's Bubbling Cauldron... Bc it's a Bubbling Cauldron deck! Very funny, very low powered.

@whatsupdoc6358 10 ай бұрын

I like seeing everyone's cameras

@Sinistra359 10 ай бұрын

I very much prefer watching everyones face reactions even when theyre not talking. Great job tho editor!

@Spirited_skiing 10 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t mind seeing one ring through the end of the season and maybe next, but after that it probably needs to go.

@damnjekyll 10 ай бұрын

Their creature type being "Nephilim" implies they are half God half human by most fantasy standards I do believe. 🤔

@JoshRudis 10 ай бұрын

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" We Are the Rules Committee! Will Seth embrace the inner Hazezon in all of us? or will Phil show us the secrets of ancient Yore? Tune-in to find out!

@MTGGoldfishCommander 10 ай бұрын

You're a treasure Josh

@exsnypre 10 ай бұрын

Funny to hear Richard recommending "just Swords it the turn it comes down" when he's constantly decrying running more than 1-2 spot removal spells in a deck. You'll never have it if you follow all his advice.

@TheQuarrelsomeOne 10 ай бұрын

Reanimator with no entomb effects or self-mill is certainly a choice

@alanevans5353 9 ай бұрын

my playgroup is planning on doing this, there are 5 of us so we plan to each build a deck around a unique Nephilim, I'm just worried that Ink-Treader will end up being the way it was for your games, where it will either combo off as soon as it lands and win, or it will get removed every time it lands and they won't be able to play the game.

@sharlockshacolmes9381 10 ай бұрын

Nephilims are really cool thematically. I'd love if they would revisit them as legendary creatures

@HeyHeyHeyJoJoJo 10 ай бұрын

I feel Phil with the no Tutor take. It makes some Interactions to easy.

@Suppaichu 10 ай бұрын

I think the ring is a problem if you can tutor for it every game or bounce and copy it. It's like tef's protection, it can get a bit repetitive, but it also makes any situation not an absolute, which can be nice if it doesn't happen every single time

@patarfuifui 10 ай бұрын

I for one loved Phil's hipster reanimation deck

@jamesbeanmachine857 10 ай бұрын

Sword of Kaldra and Mirrodin: equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from colorless and from Phyrexians

@ryanburks937 10 ай бұрын

Thank god we got a commander clash without crim!

@alecolson8360 10 ай бұрын

Phil and Tomer are on such opposite sides of the casual deck building paradigm

@zacharia4061 10 ай бұрын

20 minute game at start was def worth the watch to see how gross tomers deck was otherwise it would have been alot more confusing

@ProdigalMadness 10 ай бұрын

Been running Ink-Treader for a long while. It's either incredibly busted, or hilariously bad. First ever game with it ended up having 4 different Sword to Plowshare boardwipes. Fun times, regardless!

@lokidragon8725 10 ай бұрын

This opens up potential other non legendary/band commanders... Could you guys do a week with the shadowmoor spirt avatars as commanders? (Awe of the godhead, deity of scars etc)