spacers just have a bad name fam if applied properly they go forever ... im 3 years on 50mm spacers and not a issue in the world altho my mind hasme check the torque spec every so often its always spot on i just cant help but feel that something gonna mess up but been great sofar and i beat the hell outta the car lol 😂 😂 peace n love bro keep it rad stay safe and build on

You god damn right

​@@mastercricket7626 one set of spacers should be fine. But when you have half a dozen of them then it's not gonna be a good time for your suspension lmao

Whistlindiesel has proven what you can do with spacers haha

Well the spacers and the extra leveraged twist on the suspension parts themselves

You'll get more zero effort listicles and like it...

Nah I want more F2F

@@tinncan I ❤️ listicles

I hadn't seen you post in a while. I was worried about you. I thought you gave up.

What about all you need to know??

straight out of mario cart

Exactly right, it's basic physics and somehow they didn't bother...

thank you

Thank likely has a lot to do with it.

Yeah, a weird oversight given they had a guy specifically there to talk about the science. The radius and the mass distribution will affect the moment of inertia of the tires, which will affect acceleration and braking. The radius also affects the moment arm, which changes how energy is exchanged (by way of torque) between the ground and the car body through the tires. The top speed issue, as far as I understand, is mostly a matter of the bearing friction. Smaller tires will require the bearings to spin faster. There is some inertia/momentum effect there too, where keeping "heavy" wheels spinning at a high speed may be easier than lighter/smaller ones due to that friction. And then of course, it's odd that they would include rolling over a block in a timed test, which is very dependent on wheel radius.

I'm curious how the airless tyres handle mud, when all that space inside seems like it would get filled up and jammed.

Funny how you said that cause they forgot that's off road tires😂

They are NOT off-road tyres... How do you air down for soft terrain.. With no air. You cant. They are not off-road tyres.

@@Ddog72 hm good point, that would be something I'd miss. Although, he did say they're designed for UTVs, and the lack of air allows the tread pattern to be flat against the driving surface - more traction and flotation.

We got similar airless tires in our Grasshopper lawnmower. Very expensive but sooo good compared to old tractor type tires. Of course it's not a car but some areas we mow are pretty off-roady so maybe that's worth something. The tire itself has some give by design so it increases the surface area compared to regular tire full of air. Also for what I've seen they get softer with use which might help. If they're bad quality I think they might deform or get soft unequally making bumpy ride.

I was just about to comment that

Bruh same thoughts here. Those tests are gonna put the life of the wheel bearings in jeopardy.

And the ball joints.

Imagine the side fumbling

lol no lie that was first thing i thought of when i seen him turn and all that flex fro tire to bearing with the spacers u can literally see it torquing on them in a not so cool way lol but its a miata so it can take anything lol 😂 😂 im not bias lol (drives a forged boosted NA miata) .. peace n love brotha keep it rad stay safe and build on

RIP wheel bearings

Ngl, looks like a RC basher

Fr that leverage is insanity

@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist1 um, no. Creep.

Really surprised the spacers hold up :)

@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist1 let go of your wrong believes or you will never get to enter Odin's Hall in Walhalla. You'll never feast and battle with your ancestors and tell the story of you live

@@Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1can you not push religion into others bro

They can't put it all in the title or there would be nothing left for the video!

@@andyortlieb3768 here's a clickbaity one " 100 year old tyre vs Future Tyres" or something

Yeah honestly I was more interested in the old tires than the new ones. It's only when I saw the short of them putting the Model A tires on that I realised it was in this video.

"Goofballs think 20" tire accelerates faster than 30" tire because of its name "

It's by design, Mr Beast talked about that. You make clickbait, to catch the viewer. Then you actually do it to impress the viewer. And then you one up it to make the viewer keep watching till the end. The algorithm loves audience retention on videos, so the goal is to stop them from clicking away.

It's fine if it's for science 😂😂

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The ball joints are 1000% SCREAMIN

Oh man it hoytz.

they must be trying to start a new money pit

Wagon wheels? Are we watching the same video? Those old ones are from the likes of a Ford model A. A mass produced car with an internal Combustion gas (not grass) engine!

When Henry Ford designed the Model A,he was using what was available at the time. The most readily available tire that would work would have been from a horse and cart wagon.

@@johnathanedwards9054 those wheels and tires were mass-produced specifically for the model A and Model T. They are not leftovers from some horse-drawn wagon.

pretty much every lift i see have these now, esoecially forklifts and telehandlers

@@samssa7813 i haven'r seen them yet on skid steers. I have on zero turn standing mowers.

Doubt there will ever BE street legal versions of these. This style of tire has been around for years and always fails to match modern tire performance, just as you can see here. They're practically only used on construction vehicles where not deflating is a much larger issue.

@@MrAlanmurphygood for you.

​@@MrAlanmurphy congrats?

A year later and it’s still funny 🤷‍♂️

You mean a side by side? A transition is more like at 1:56

@@Youngstomata really? if you think that's a simple side by side....nevermind you're a pro editor we forgot

@@thesoundmajors9858 transition: the process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another.

@@thesoundmajors9858 it is a side by side tho. jerry recorded himself cutting the tire, then recorded the talking, and grabbed the tire from where he left it in the second recording lol

@@cmrnj what they did there is very simple to edit in idk what the hell u guys r goin on abt

That is the main purpose I suppose. Regular tires are better in almost every way, except durability. Which is exactly what you want in military application.

@@DG_427 that is to be expected the whole purpose of airless tires was to provide the military with a hardy tire resistant to gunfire or shrapnel and potentially NASA's vehicles who simply will not be able to be serviced after they are on the moon or beyond.

@@alexisrivera200xable The original Lunar Rovers had airless tires, they were made out of piano wires woven into a mesh. They almost look like a giant colander.

@@MScotty90 The lunar rover tires were also designed for a (210 kg) vehicle that weighed less than 500 lbs. on earth and less than 77 lbs. on the moon, and recorded a top speed (on the moon) of 11.2 mph (18 km/h). They'd barely function as bicycle tires on earth.

@@MScotty90 Yes, you are correct, a couple of years ago Neil DeGrasse Tyson got to ride a bit on a prototype with a similar concept tires made wit a mesh. It looked interesting.

its a side by side. its basically two videos layed over the top of each other

beauty job. Very creative and serves the point being made.

"Transitions" like that have been a long standing feature of the channel Aging Wheels. They can be pretty fun sometimes.

Transition? The people cutting the tire are just working super super fast 😂

I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE IT WAS THE SAME GUYYYY XDDD

nails on a chalkboard is a sound not a feeling

Wow for me it’s the opposite. I find it very satisfying to see nails puncturing through rubber. And nails on a chalkboard IS absolutely a feeling.

To me it looks like a fan it probably sucks air lol

Yea. Also, the spacers being so far out make the future tire sit on the inside edge of it so it isn’t performing how it was designed to.

@@3.0colorado21 the future tires sit on like 25% contact. They didn't really do like smaller wheels much 100y ago though. Maybe for a midget car or something. The bigger wheels made it smoother to ride on the crappy roads.

Not only the additional height, but they have additional weight. Which really effect the performance that they are tracking

@@ryurc3033 And not only the additional weight, the modern tires being smaller in diameter essentially gives the car lower gears, which is going to be an advantage for something that doesn't have a lot of torque at the crank.

They were comparing the future tires more to the past tires than the current ones, so it makes sense to use large future tires. A more valid complaint would be that they should have used a pickup or SUV for the test so that the wheels could be mounted in the wheel wells rather than needing spacers.

“Future” ones are ugly anyways

Stop with the realism 😂😂😂

Yep. That's what I came to say as well. Not really a fair comparison changing wheel diameter.

,,, don't .. dont do that man just enjoy the video. it was cool not 100 percent man sheesh.

Yep, I came to say the same thing.

@@crewtheaftermath4105 sorry, didn't mean to spoil it for anyone. I just couldn't see for sure myself.

I agree. Weird choice with the miata

Probably would suck tbh. Mud would fill the groves and cause the tire to weigh alot more. With a Miata you’d feel the strain in the engine to spin them

@@Dusty.Does.it. But that would happen with normal off road tires too. Not really an airless tire specific problem.

@@seraphimvalkyrin4543 there’s much more empty space that can be filled using the “future tires”

They have show them with normal looking sidewalls to keep things out of them. Maybe that will actually be an option

and rocks getting inside them lol

Airless tires will never work, we have been trying for the better part of 100 years, it isn't a new idea, just like all of Elon Musk's "ideas". See: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLdgaLWTrMeUqoE.html The only way airless tires can work is if there's a world altering materials engineering breakthrough, the way I see it.

It should do great. I do want to see how the design would eject mud and snow from inside the tire. It could go off balance quickly

This why mowers have them. These help soooo much on hills

can't wait for icy off-roading wonder how those would fare

It's not quite true that you can't adjust the "pressure" with airless tyres. There are a few versions that do allow that and it's done through adjusting the spoke tension. This would have some advantages over standard pneumatics since you can stagger the compliance to make a round tyre more star shaped, effectively giving you more paddle-like effect which would be tremendous in mud and certain situations on sand, even rock climbing. Would obviously take longer since you need to adjust multiple bolts but airing up with a run-of-the-mill compressor takes forever too. Also side note, I'm not quite sure why you're ever over-inflating on the track, that reduces your grip. The question is whether that going to be among the first models of these tyres released and I doubt it. I imagine it would be a long way down the line. Off roading is a niche compared to the commuter market. 99% of people never need to air down their tyres, even just in the emissions savings from underaired tyres and the safety benefits of avoiding overaired tyres and blowouts makes airless seem like a good option.

You'd get less traction by over inflating

@Max Power how do you mean? I thought runflats functioned like normal tires do they not?

Remove uneeded spacers, keep better consistency with paths and control of the car. Then it'll be a bit better of comparison. Fun video to watch, not great for good comparisons. Which seem to be a lot of their videos.

Also larger diameter tires are more difficult to stop

At first I was like why would they need to fix them if they last longer? Then I remembered profit has to be made.

@@asandax6 he says brake, not break. Important difference!

@@guillermo_fdez7997 Ohh my bad. Someone call Mr Beast I might also be blind.

they just need to be adding anchors

Yeah, they said it wrong with the reason for overheating... Air is actually a better insulator than plastic and in a tire, air doesn't "help disipate heat" - the airless tire actually has much more cooling due to its sides admitting cold air from outside. What overheats the airless tires is the rapid flexing and stretching of its spokes and obviously the heat combined with cyclic deformation is what makes the spokes fail. In a traditional air tire, the cyclic deformation is much gentler and air as a "spring material" doesn't wear out. I'm pretty sure the airless tires also impact fuel efficiency - if you have two tires and one of them runs hotter than the other, that means it's converting more of the engine energy into waste heat at the expense of motion. That's obviously the reason why it achieves worse times on the Miata.

It’s 14:20 here in Austria. Best thing to watch donut media after school

Camber was because of the massive spacers acting like a huge lever on the suspension and making it sit lower

What do you mean?

They should have just made spacers for a modern tire (of equivalent diameter) and the old tube tire, to fit a razor side by side. Would have been a much more useful and accurate comparison

No. The center rotation will be the same making bigger tires circumference move faster to keep up with the center speed. 22 inch tire multiple by 3.14 is the measurement of how far the trip moves in one rotation 30 inch tire by 3.14 is more than a smaller tire making the bigger tires have the advantage.

@@alexislaisney3404 Bigger wheel = higher top speed with less torque. This isn't a problem when you have lots of torque on tap, but it's a Miata. The OP is correct that smaller tires are effectively a lower final drive gear.

@@alexislaisney3404 sorry, you're reasoning in the wrong way: it's the engine the source of power, not the tires. Bigger tires = with 1 rotation (from engine power) you move the vehicle further. Since the engine has the same power regardless of the wheels, and the same reduction ratio at the gearbox, and bigger tires = more space at the same angular speed, then either you need more power or you'll be slower. Exactly like a higher gear ratio. And do you accelerate faster in 1st or 2nd gear?

Lookin like something from Mario Kart and I love it

@@centuryhelix8727 LOL I could see it! But the real question is: Wagon Wheel MoneyPit Miata in FH5 when???

Money Pit Miata* :P

@@katanavx0331 obv I was referring to the car not the dead series 🤷🏻‍♂️

I think they changed their style of content to be more fun and short than informative

I actually enjoy videos that are about this long. Easy to fit into a busy day.

If anything slower speed = safer for pedestrian