We're Building a Diesel-Electric Pickup.

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Chase from @EdisonMotors answers all our questions (and yours!)
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0:00 A whole new venture...
2:40 From Semi trucks to Pickup trucks
7:26 What this means for us
10:42 Truck reservations
13:45 Changing the future for the better
16:41 Development timeline
20:19 Reservation price
21:44 Production starts when?
23:40 What kind of truck should we build?
26:28 2025 Dodge Ramcharger
27:23 Ford Lightning
29:09 Heavy equipment
22:50 How much will a retrofit cost?
40:39 Emissions regulations
45:11 Will it fit in my half-ton?
46:41 What year truck is best?
47:39 High school EV challenge
49:14 Power steering? brakes/ A/C?
52:42 Topsy mfg registration
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@DEBOSSGARAGE 5 ай бұрын

Edison Motors Pickup Kit www.edisonmotors.ca/edison-pickup-kit

@Sjanzo 5 ай бұрын

So, what Cat genset ? C4.4 at 175hp ? Edit: I see. C3.6 at 140hp, same engine as the M314 excavator

@g_force3857 5 ай бұрын

What happened to the Fargo, workshop updates, personally I’m not an electric car/truck car, good luck to you, I’ll miss the next update on this build… You’re still one of my favourites 😀😀😀😀

@kylereese4822 5 ай бұрын

VW VR6 engine was meant to be diesel and still has the diesel lower parts rods etc... not sure if the head has the casting blanks for the Diesel component's... but that engine + Lexus 450h hybrid transmission both motors running as motors and not a starter/generator + motor combination as standard... Could be worth experimenting with an engine see what happens ?? imagine a 500+bhp supercharged/turbo hybrid diesel + 200hp with the hybrid.....

@mattg8787 5 ай бұрын

i have a question how long do you think it will take to charge the buttery's in the pickups it seams like that's a big problem with the EVs and power wise that's the 2 biggest problems i am seeing

@jerrymohr965 5 ай бұрын

Just reserved mine, I would like to install in to my first truck I’ve bought that I still own and use on the the weekends 98 f150

@yourabuttkiss 5 ай бұрын

As a child in 1990 I learned the dynamics of a diesel electric locomotives and told my father that there is no reason 18 wheelers shouldn’t be using the same as locomotives . He told me that there would never be a market for that and now we have you guys doing what I imagine as a child thank you

@sumduma55 5 ай бұрын

Your father was correct. Technology/efficiency has just recently bearly caught up enough for the concept to be viable. And even to that point, weight limits are still being changed to accommodate the concept.

@superjesus4307 5 ай бұрын

@@sumduma55 Technology is nothing to do with it. Diesel-electric locomotives have been around since the 1950s.

@sumduma55 5 ай бұрын

@superjesus4307 technology has everything to do with it. There isn't a cabal of fairies deciding what gets made or not. Battery technology in the 90s wasn't even as good as in the 60s. Think about this. The fist hybrid electric cars were links to thr motor. The first electric cars took hours to charge for a 25-50 mile range. It isn't until charging speeds, capacity, and discharge rates improved that this is even possible on a semi. Trucks have road weight restrictions. This Edison truck weights as much as a truck and empty trailer combined. That means you haul less, earn less, but spend more money to purchase it. It's all about technology.

@Awakened133 5 ай бұрын

@@sumduma55Maybe not fairies, But there are people who determine what tech and ideas are allowed. There’s a reason JP Morgan wouldn’t back Tesla. Morgan had a monopoly on Coal, Oil, Fuel, Steel, Mining, Refineries, Power plants and the electricity they produced. If we removed fossil fuels from the equation, People Like Morgan would have to have another market to capitalize on. Electromotive power is possible on smaller vehicles. I’m working on a charging system driven off a driveshaft to run an Inverter to charge batteries.

@sumduma55 5 ай бұрын

@Awakened133 you might as well just say fairies. That's a fantastical argument that ignores freedom and one important thing, Elon Musk is not the only billionaire in the world. If the technology was such that it could be profitable earlier, rich people would even collaborate to make money. They do not suddenly and magically decide they like money but not if it was made thqt way. They would divest their other investments and ho make a lot more money. It's how rich people think.

@michaelrauff734 5 ай бұрын

I think a school bus retro fit could be a huge case flow for you guys, most school bus chassis are copy and past for space of engine bay and axel location. And if the school is already being forced into 400k per bus for all electric and you can sell a retro fit kit to keep the existing buses on the road that would be a huge market.

@Duamerthrax 5 ай бұрын

School buses are great. EV with regen for all the stop and go type driving and a small diesel for maintaining the charge.

@brocharlieb 4 ай бұрын

Seems to me that a school bus would be good with almost any 5k generator, gas or electric. And since they spend so much time parked, throw in some solar. Since Edison is already active in education, put the school bus idea in the classroom.

@Duamerthrax 4 ай бұрын

@@brocharlieb Personally, I would just put the solar over the lot the buses are park in and have the buses also be plugin hybrid. You're not going to get a significant amount of power while driving and the panels would be better better served supplying the grid.

@brocharlieb 4 ай бұрын

@@Duamerthraxin our area thevbus driver takes the bus home during the school day. The bus wouldn't get charged unless the solar panels were on the bus. Regen braking and a generator (either gas or diesel).

@scottkolaya2110 4 ай бұрын

The problem is Edison Motor's solution won't be cheaper because no one is tossing out perfectly usable diesel school buses and replacing them with fully electric ones. Full electric is only being used (or policy-wise) when buying a new bus to replace ones that no longer are serviceable. It would be a hard sell to put all that money into a worn-out old bus. You're never going to make the money back in fuel savings. In addition, hybrid electric school buses have been out for more than two decades at this point, so they are not new. There's just not that much of a market for changing an old bus to hybrid electric.

@g.cooney6599 5 ай бұрын

"We're going to change the industry" is spot on and so cool that it is Deboss & Edison doing it!

@DEBOSSGARAGE 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely!

@simplemechanics4379 5 ай бұрын

There are already companies doing this exact thing.

@gentryrbruce 4 ай бұрын

@@simplemechanics4379but we’re not watching their KZfaq…

@lethargicmotorsport2025 4 ай бұрын

@@simplemechanics4379I looked in to buying one in 2112 ( way too expensive then) , I can’t recall the name of the company. Curious if they are still building trucks .

@tylerbaldwin1633 3 ай бұрын

its a scam company lol i cant wait to see all the pissed off investors

@larrybolhuis1049 5 ай бұрын

My brothers and i sit around and talk trucks. We laugh at the E150, the Tesla Cryertruck, and efforts like that. We have all pulled stuff and know that if your gas mileage drops in half, your battery will drop at least that much faster as well. My truck has a 50 gallon tank, I think it would need to be ALL BATTERY in every possible place to get even close to the range of that tank. What YOU GUYS are doing here is OUT-STANDING! Its exactly spot on. LOVE the ability to do things like welding, running air-compressors or lights from the battery pack. In a tow truck or bucket truck running all the tools, lifts, winches, lights, and whatnot with NO rumbling diesel would be awesome. We have constantly said, the 'all electric truck is a bridge too far' with today's technology. Batteries might improve, true that, but even if the perfect battery landed tomorrow, we couldn't charge them all for a decade anyway!!!

@BlackEpyon 2 ай бұрын

Really, anybody who's used a cordless drill to drive large screws KNOWS what it does to your battery life!

@MrAllanpog 5 ай бұрын

Ok, some design hints. I got involved with Danfoss motor drives in 1983 and continued for 30+ years. Plus I have driven a Prius for over 10 - hybrids are a great solution. For retrofits: keep the differential(s) and hard-mount the e-motor. Short drive shaft etc so the wheels do their thing and the motor doesn’t bump around. Cars, pickups and utes travel at highway speeds whereas heavies don’t. Drop the transfer case for 4WD. Batteries go amidships where the trans was. You only need enough battery for the acceleration surges. It’s gonna be modelling the max vs. cruise etc demands that will challenge most, and big battery won’t be needed. I loved the video on Topsy towing the tank. For new machines, go to the builders and get chassis and body minus drive train. If you order enough pieces they will accommodate you. Fire trucks, ambulances etc do this already. Drive should be independent suspension with CV drives and one motor per axle. I.e keep the single-hard-mount e-motor per axle. Bonking the mass of the motor with ordinary wheel motion is a no-go for reliability. Best wishes for you guys, get in there first. P.S. I thought the Avro Aero was a cool plane.

@matthewsteiner7955 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely everything this guy said. Don't beat up the motor by mounting on the axle, one motor per wheel (or locking/limited slip diff on solid axle) and mount the batteries between the frame rails, not in a box in the bed. It will be much more stable and you'll need every square inch of that bed space. But I would add that a solid mount motor also won't stress the electric supply lines by constantly flexing.

@kadmow 5 ай бұрын

@@matthewsteiner7955 - Slid-out trundle trays (equipment drawer) are very common in 0.5-1 tonne "Utes" in Australia - it is a location to install a battery - protected under the bed and between the Chassis rails. Simply replacing transmission with an E=drive is very simple (for RWD) - for 4x4 a back-to back motor unit makes sense - OR if there is enough power, AND LOW RANGE IS NEEDED, one e-drive on the back of a 2 speed transfer case (keep the entire original 4x4 system) - fitting the e-drive unit in the transmission tunnel, probably needs an epicyclic (planetary) reducer and high speed motor - small diameter.

@rjlkc4668 5 ай бұрын

100% would be looking for a kit that drives the original differentials.

@douglasvamateurradioandmore 5 ай бұрын

@rjlkc4668 I would rebuild the diff in my 2k f250 if I did that. I like the idea, keeps using existing parts. Would there be a problem with then needing adapter kits for differing axles. On old trucks, the old axles may be too rusted and worn for the power of a new electric motor? The old axles and differ may not be specd for that much torque.

@matthewsteiner7955 5 ай бұрын

@@douglasvamateurradioandmore That's a very good point. You may want a more modern, heavier axle for an old truck but if the old axle is too rusted, what condition is the frame in? As far as different yokes for different trucks, that could be part of the ordering process. These guys seem pretty smart to me. I'm sure they could find a solution. My only point was that I wouldn't want a heavy electric motor bolted to the diff because every single bump in the road or trail will induce more stress on the rotating internals of the motor and constantly flex the electric lines. I wouldn't think that would be good for longevity. I can just imagine someone saying "500 horsepower, Yeeha, Full Send!" I could be totally off base. I haven't seen any shock testing of those motors.

@niftytheviking 5 ай бұрын

Been discussing this with my employers, and they are very intrigued by this whole project. Having what amounts to an onboard generator would benefit us so much in the patch. Saves us from having to haul one around.

@douglasvamateurradioandmore 5 ай бұрын

Pardon this city boy, what's a patch?

@niftytheviking 5 ай бұрын

@@douglasvamateurradioandmore lol, sorry, Oil patch, or Oil Field.

@douglasvamateurradioandmore 5 ай бұрын

@niftytheviking thanks. Makes sense now

@tylerbaldwin1633 3 ай бұрын

Your supporting a scam company i hope you know lol

@douglasvamateurradioandmore 3 ай бұрын

@@tylerbaldwin1633 how do you gather that?

@tarvelnbsn 5 ай бұрын

Tow truck and hotshot trucks are my vote. You hit the nail on the effectiveness of the tow truck and for the hotshot trucks the efficiency is increased for driving cross country. I will be following and ordering for hotshot 👍 I have a 2015 Ram 3500 dually.

@jp-ny2pd 5 ай бұрын

Glad to see you two working together. From my perspective, I would aim for the biggest target you can with a new market/product. To me, that's something that fits the half-ton to 1-ton light trucks, the F150/1500 to F350/3500 crowd. I'd probably also simplify the first offering by making it just RWD. Steering axles are a pain and it just adds to the bottom line. Maybe you can even structure it so the base kit is RWD and then you purchase a front-axle kit as a complimentary piece. So every truck gets the RWD kit and then you just add extras to it like a second rear axle kit, a front axle kit, extra batteries, heavier axles, etc. That way you can start by making a kit the parts you have in front of you, while planning to release add-on kits for all the extra markets and uses in the future.

@lukekoski7251 5 ай бұрын

I think at the beginning the easiest group to introduce the diesel electric is the construction industry, as contractor trucks. And going more in depth if you were to make an example of converting a 04’ to 10’ F350,F450,F550, no one wants the 6.0/6.4 in their work truck. And I bet people would be willing to put those trucks into a conversion because they are fairly new trucks but just have a bad power plant.

@wobblysauce 5 ай бұрын

Yep… the brand mashup, as the body is good with this one and the engine here and that one has the better transmission

@kenb6765 5 ай бұрын

This is the right answer, not only are the super duty trucks very popular work trucks and are solid axle trucks. There are many different kits out there to swap the axles from those into all almost all fullsize Ford trucks all the way back to the 60s. That's such a huge base of trucks for one set of axles.

@izzyplusplusplus1004 5 ай бұрын

@@kenb6765For sure, the value of an f250 with one of these dual purpose powerplants would be very high.

@tallstacker 5 ай бұрын

and you should be able to do 99-03 trucks they are basically the same ik its the 7.3 but i own one and would love a 1000 ft lbs option for it lol

@mausball 5 ай бұрын

I cannot type how much this makes me happy. Also, RIP to affordable OBS trucks.

@dunbarautomotive 5 ай бұрын

Buy them now!

@michaelbenoit248 5 ай бұрын

@@dunbarautomotive, I’m abt to start a junkyard for em. To do em affordable you pretty much have to get them I’m pretty sorry shape. I bought my 1993 F250 in 2020 with just 208k on it, 230k rn 3yrs later. Love the truck, it’s gutless but it’s a tank.

@Eremon1 5 ай бұрын

There are affordable trucks these days? 😆

@paulhoogeveen7353 5 ай бұрын

Buy a ute, cab and chassis..

@Eremon1 5 ай бұрын

@@paulhoogeveen7353 At this point I can afford two scooters, a wheelbarrow and a sheet of plywood. Maybe some money left over for twine to tie it all together. 🤣

@iwantmyvanback 5 ай бұрын

This is one of the coolest collabs in existence. I love both of these entities amd they are trying to solve a real problem. I am so excited to see where this goes in the future.

@Robert-rc7jc 5 ай бұрын

This is fabulous news! I've been watching Deboss Garage for a couple years and love your content, especially the swaps! And I love the Edison truck, it's a BC truck, and a brilliant idea! Around 15 years ago I remember wanting to make a diesel hybrid out of my 3/4 ton 1986 Suburban using a VW TDI engine as the generator--you're making it a reality! Way to go, I'm excited to see you progressing through the build process!

@smtr3742 5 ай бұрын

Mechanics truck. It'll cover welding, jump starting machines charging tools, powering a camper on the road, air compressor, crane and lights

@TonyLasagna 5 ай бұрын

Yes! Possibilities are endless, really.

@bjre.wa.8681 5 ай бұрын

A lot of positive vibs going on in these videos and that's a good thing, I come from a being a heavy equipment mechanic years ago. And I'm gonna be "That Guy", what ever can go wrong, will! I'm waiting to see the video of the service truck with the welder. Even when you were converting the KW and fabricating Topsy, how did you keep from frying all those very expensive and most likely hard to source electronic boards in the converter boxes the first time you struck a arc on the frame retrofitting work? Time will be 'Telling" just how durable the "lectronic components really are!

@JonoSann 5 ай бұрын

@@bjre.wa.8681welding on vehicles? It happens every day. Real mechanics are careful of where they ground their welder, and make sure that there are no electronics in the current path. Even so, electronics these days are robust enough that welding damage is rarely heard of. What it all comes down to is; don't clip your welder ground onto the exhaust when you're actually welding on the chassis or axle housing. I weld on trucks once a week or so and never disconnect the batteries. I haven't blown any up yet Some people just attract "bad luck".

@graywolf2694 5 ай бұрын

yeah, i had to install a frame mounted onan generator for my service truck

@shanebist 5 ай бұрын

Or any building trade. mobile, efficient high voltage power supply. Could definitely be a game changer

@DMSparky 5 ай бұрын

I think the one ton market is probably a good place to start. What about replacing the truck bed with a drop on flat bed like a CM flat bed, eventually could be made modular, service bodies, tow truck bodies etc.

@jdoerr779 5 ай бұрын

The killer for that is that most people hate flatbeds. They hate the look, they hate having to strap every single thing down, etc. I daily a flatbed and I’m making a gin pole flat bed for my second pickup as we speak. For the absolute majority of people, flatbeds don’t make sense. On a side note, as someone that’s been in the flatbed industry, don’t buy a CM. They’re cheaply made and they lie/are intentionally misleading in their sales literature.

@DMSparky 5 ай бұрын

@@jdoerr779 I only mentioned CM because they are a big brand. If I were to get a body I’d be buying a Knapheide KUV or similar “plumbing”service body. Although I’d probably also look into a 10ft Aerocell CW or a 8ft SpaceKap Wild slide in.

@scowell 5 ай бұрын

@@jdoerr779 I bought an F250 Powerstroke in 2018... nice truck... but I couldn't even see into the bed. Was looking into putting an aluminum flat bed on it when the dealership offered me stupid money to buy it back... jumped on that quick. What use is a bed when you can't even reach in or see what's in it?

@jdoerr779 5 ай бұрын

@@scowell It’s been like that for years now. Beds got too deep in ‘99 in my opinion.

@kadmow 5 ай бұрын

Great Idea, Australia is the Cab-Chassis capital of the world- it seems, most people rip the factory tub off (or take delivery without) to put a custom tray, or trade/camping body on instead. A full load bearing canopy is crucial, lightweight flimsy units are terrible (the ability to fork on a partial pallet/skid _ load which won't fit inside _ on the roof is very advantageous.)

@tmacie2 5 ай бұрын

Epic is an understatement here! Congrats to all. Can't wait to follow the progress.

@adamrosenhamer3762 4 ай бұрын

SO EXCITED TO SEE MORE MOMENTUM AND POWER BEHIND EDISON!! Great Job guys!!!! Best to all of you!!

@j.d.8593 5 ай бұрын

I'm actually quite excited for this project, can't wait to see how it comes along through 2024!

@rakman88 5 ай бұрын

A lot of my questions were answered in this video. Big fan of going with an axle for F450. Would have been my suggestion.

@jesseleesamples 5 ай бұрын

I’m so happy this collab is happening. I’ve been following Edison for a long time and Chase is just an awesome guy. He delivered on everything he set out to do with the truck, so I have no doubt this endeavor will also have great results in the end. Can’t wait to watch and see what comes of all this.

@Studio23Media 5 ай бұрын

Same here. I wish we had more people like Chase in the world.

@TheGuyGuyde 5 ай бұрын

This is a great start to a company that could take over the industry! Congrats and I wish you guys the best

@gregmoessner3104 5 ай бұрын

When motor homes are 140 thousand now converting makes sense

@MASS1866 5 ай бұрын

I agree. Only hope I have is the big money doesn’t steal your ideas before they come to market. I hope you all make it big!!

@wmac3306 5 ай бұрын

Love it, love it, love it!!! Congrats on your collaboration with Edison. I look forward to watching every minute of this adventure. When you make your conversions don't bother trying to do them so the vehicle can be changed back to original. If you do that you will sacrifice the ability to make the most out of the off the shelf conversion elements used for each project. You guys will be making a major impact on the North American auto industry. Do it well and you will be able to own the future and the Cybertruck will only be a footnote in history.

@Studio23Media 5 ай бұрын

I'm SO excited you are building the first Edison pickup!! 🙌🏻

@joshuahenry1791 4 ай бұрын

The tow truck retrofit is the best idea for the first project. Because like Chase said, electric vehicles are already out there. So if someone could pull up and give them enough juice to get to a charging station would be a game changer for everyone. I will definitely be watching the process. And i work for a municipality and I'm going to bring these idea's for vehicles and equipment to the powers that be. Great job for both of you, can't wait to see what happens in the future.

@E_L12 5 ай бұрын

I dont think I've ever been more excited for a KZfaq collaboration. Especially since I have a truck that I can do it to. It's not a tank, it's not a completely swapped OBS Ford, it's something that I already have. An 08 Dodge that I could ACTUALLY DO THIS ON. So exciting. Can't wait!

@theLonewhitewolf13 5 ай бұрын

I reserved a spot and I can’t wait to get a kit. I’ve been following you and Edison for a long time. I just wish I could get my truck to start prepping for this swap. But it will be years. Once I get out of the military I’m going to make my way to be a certified installer for these kits. My 1985 Dodge d250 to W350 swap is going to be amazing.

@FirstGendodgegarage 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service. How many pakis have you blasted down

@flweeptwo 5 ай бұрын

This is what the Internet was invented for, can't wait to see how this goes

@ambrosiaaiken1845 4 ай бұрын

I really like the sound of new trucks for commercial purposes, while I really like the ride of the ford and ram Medium duty, the ease of maintenance of Chevy/GMC 4500/5500 kodiak-topkick with a flip nose would be an extremely interesting option. Especially hotshot with a big sleeper build. Having this with Diesel/electric drive would be great. that and regenerative braking would allow for much better powertrain and suspension options for hauling

@grooveguy 5 ай бұрын

🎉🎉🎉 FREAKING EPIC GUYS!!!! CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS NEW VENTURE!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU AT DEBOSS!!!💯👍😎♥️🇨🇦

@tdotw77 5 ай бұрын

This is going to be amazing! I love both of your work & teaming up is gonna be just crazy awesome, guys! Can't wait to see where this is going to go. Congratulations Rich, Chase & co's.👍🏻👌🏻

@markm0000 5 ай бұрын

Content heaven, West Virginia. 🎵

@anytow 5 ай бұрын

Locomotives are diesel/electric because they have to get a loaded train moving and we cannot 54:33 build a fluid coupling/torque converter that would fit in that space. There is also the question of cooling. It can sometimes take several minutes to get one moving if stopped on a hill. Container ships have direct reversing Diesel engines. They can use this set up because the transverse oceans. In port, they may only be able to start their engine 7 times in an hour. They rely on tugs to maneuver. Tugs from the 1930s to the 1950s we’re either diesel/electric or direct reversible. After that it was feasible to put a reduction reversible gear on them. The problem with diesel/electric propulsion is that there is about 15% power loss in both generating and the traction motor. Dynamic position vessels may be d/e because it simplifies the relation between thrusters and propulsion engines. Nice thought though.😊

@kentonyoderii3443 2 ай бұрын

So !! I'm an old retired millwright talking to my sons and bros that are millwrights and gearheads !! I'm sure some of us can be trained in the "dangerous" high voltage stuff ,my ol lady is a retired inside wireman electrician , I'm sure she could seamlessly learn that end of the install. My suggestion and hope is we could by the kit to do my 1965 GMC 4x4 11/2 ton welding truck, and do the mechanical install , fabrication and hands on my old truck. Maybe the electronics and battery being done by your installer when we get the mechanical install done ?? Maybe get one of our journeymen trained on the electrics ?? Anyway we intend to get a spot for a Kit. I just really wouldn't let just anyone build my 65 . Great job can't wait to see you guys grow. God bless you all

@PorscheRacer14 5 ай бұрын

You know, lots of farmers with old rigs and trucks might see this as a new way to keep their old and even new iron going. Now it has me thinking about tractors and combines, which, in some cases are almost there, just needing the battery component. For instance, combines don't have direct drive. They've been hydrostatic since the 50's at least. Self propelled swathers, haying equipment, the list goes on. Maybe the future won't be so bleak on the farm equipment?

@VelEire_ 5 ай бұрын

Isn’t the nexat combine electric driven? It’s moving that direction slowly

@PorscheRacer14 5 ай бұрын

@@VelEire_They can try but there's no way that electric combine is working all day in the field. Unless it's towing a cart behind it that's all batteries. Even then, not going to wait half a day to charge it.

@VelEire_ 5 ай бұрын

@@PorscheRacer14 agreed, I believe they’ve just electric drive hubs still has a big diesel engine to run the guts can’t remember if it’s 700 or 1100 hp

@PorscheRacer14 5 ай бұрын

@@VelEire_ Ahh. Not much different than a big mining truck then.

@thehaloguy9381 5 ай бұрын

The vast majority of school busses from the last 15 years have been ISB 6.7 powered. maybe a kit to bolt and electric motor in place of the Allison? huge market there

@lenbones7940 4 ай бұрын

my dad used to work on the rail road back before i was born... ťhese days he's in his early 70s.... im almost 40 and we work together as carpenters and have so for almost 20yrs... we dont agree on much but we both agree a EV work van will never work here in Cleveland with the winter's we have and the amount of driving/material hauling our job consists doin... but when i showed him what yall r doin wit big truck's and pickups we both agree yalls next steps have to be can conversion cuz a work van that can haul trailers and double as a jobsìte generator ontop of having a "anything goes" fuel source for the generator not only solves all issues tradesmen have with our current transportation needs but also changes the game in some fields like rural building construction as well as the niche market around here that involves the Amish community which might actually be able to ðrive these... and like yall have said from day1 this aint new this tech is beyond proven yall honestly are making everyone in EV manufacturing look like fools especially since EVs kinda had a soft launch with cars like the prius which are still on the road even where theres snow

@jamesturowski3327 5 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. Good luck for the next year or two sounds exciting!!!

@jaredgray7872 5 ай бұрын

Team up with Matt's off road. Rugged off-road terrain, towing and off-road welding, it's all there

@jaykanngiesser3454 5 ай бұрын

I pre-ordered one as well. Have an American rust free Dodge 2500 with worn out driveline.

@CarswithNash 5 ай бұрын

Very exciting stuff! I've been following Edison for a long time and it's been fun watching them grow and now to have them team up with one of my favorite KZfaqrs!👍

@scottcpan68 4 ай бұрын

I can see this being a great option for older pre emissions, pre canbus pickup trucks. Modern cars and trucks have separate control modules for just about everything and it's all tied together through the canbus system. If you were to remove the entire engine and transmission it would be a nightmare trying to get anything to work properly. I'm sure Anything is possible but at what cost.

@seanfritz1355 5 ай бұрын

I love this idea. As a matter of fact when Ram announced the gas electric Ramcharger. Well my first thought was why not do a 4 pot 2.7 Diesel. I know it's cost to use 3.6 Pintastar. But the Diesel would have been unstoppable.

@Duamerthrax 5 ай бұрын

A right sized diesel would get way better fuel economy then any gas engine. They should have been using diesels for hybrids years ago.

@Westie_NZ 5 ай бұрын

I might need to move to Canada to try and hook up with you guys. What a fabulous project! I loved your video with Edison Motors, and love the way they work, as well (Yes, I have bought into the Edison merch already). I'll be watching progress.......

@madrew2003 5 ай бұрын

This is brilliant to my mind. Ram seems to be leaning this way as well. The 2025 Ram will have an IC gas engine range extender on an EV truck platform. Ford will likely follow pending how the Ram does. As this gains steam with new trucks your retro-fit game makes great sense. I love it!

@sirukin7849 4 ай бұрын

Current RAM owners: Yeah, but I don't have $90k set aside for a new 2025 RAM REV w/ RAMCHARGER to take timmy to soccer practice. xD

@madrew2003 4 ай бұрын

@@sirukin7849EXACTLY. New trucks are ridiculously overpriced. Here you take an old used truck that you likely already own and get it converted. My suspicion is that the onboard diesel generator will be less choked with emissions than the factory stuff because they are likely targeting older trucks and probably will benefit from that. It will be interesting to see this develop.

@bigmanbuilds 5 ай бұрын

We gotta protect these guys with everything we have. This idea is KILLER! I agree i think best market to introduce this to will be the construction/welder/oil field/tow truck guys, aka the guys who put these trucks to work

@DEBOSSGARAGE 5 ай бұрын

Thanks brother!

@Acoustic_Theory 5 ай бұрын

The people to protect them from are the EPA and NHTSA, who will change regulations too quickly for small guys to follow the big ones (and they're changing them so fast the big guys can barely keep up, by design - to get rid of diesel trucks altogether through regulation). When you start talking about prosumer vehicles, especially mass production, it makes the Big Three and UAW very interested, so your ducks need to be in a row on all levels in the organization.

@petejohnson8397 4 ай бұрын

@@Acoustic_TheoryI agree. It will take massive public support to protect Edison from those particular wolves.

@tylerbaldwin1633 3 ай бұрын

its a scam company that will never go anywhere. You people are brainless for believing anything these goofs say.

@Bobsdname 5 ай бұрын

Love the idea of this. I think there are a couple of things to consider. Half ton trucks outsell heavy duty trucks 10 to 1. The channel is excited about the idea because this the audience represents a portion of that 10 percent of trucks sold. I'm guessing that most of us with HD trucks also own half tons. The service application of the diesel generated electric are a niche market. My suggestion is build a half ton 4 Door short bed pickup that appeals to the majority of the market. Once the concept is proven then branch out into the niche heavy duty service, hot shot and tow trucks. Those people are the hardest to convert.

@currentliveoccupant 5 ай бұрын

I agree I have 2020 3/4 ton that gets less than half the use of my 2004 1/2 ton. I want to replace the half ton but everything new has over complicated emissions engines. This would be exactly what I want

@Kodiak660 5 ай бұрын

Go for the largest numbers. A pickup over 10 years old, a kit that works in 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks might be the best way to start.

@richardryan2769 3 ай бұрын

The appropriate battery technology is now available on the shelf. All the other needed technologies are also available on the shelf. Go get what you need off the shelf . Hello Edison Motors.

@C.A.HookerEquipment 4 ай бұрын

2008-2010 Ford Super Duty Tow Truck or Service Truck. New enough to see everything work together, but fairly simple overall. Plus, there are a ton of junk 6.4 Powerstroke trucks laying around, so they are fairly cheap.

@oliphaunt16 5 ай бұрын

Well done guys! Can't wait to see how this goes and see if it can filter down to New Zealand and make a difference here.

@ChrisHessert 5 ай бұрын

This is gonna be awesome! Really looking forward to following your progress on this project. Hoping you can develop a kit for converting 4WD 1/2 ton pickups?

@user-fn6vx2uo6g 5 ай бұрын

I think the class 5 truck is the perfect idea where it can be scaled down to the small pickups. Those chassis can be anything, the tow or service truck you mention or being from the landscape/construction field it could be a dump truck that charges your electic skid steer or excavator eliminating the need for a fuel truck. It could be the dump truck that tows your mow trailer charging batteries to be switched into the mowers, trimmers and blowers decreasing down time for charging and massively decreasing small engine emissions. You guys are really killing it with this, cant wait to see more.

@simonthebroken9691 4 ай бұрын

Thank you gentlemen. I'm looking forward to seeing this. Hoping to learn how to install as well.

@merlepatterson 5 ай бұрын

I kind of figured you guys would partner with Edison as soon as Chace announced open partnerships. With the driveline removed, it might be a good option to put the battery in the frame rails under the bed, then hinge a hatch in the truck bed (or an entire latching hinged bed) for access?

@RetiredPilot 5 ай бұрын

If you do that you better put a large steel plate under it. LOL

@merlepatterson 5 ай бұрын

@@RetiredPilot Kevlar would work

@currentliveoccupant 5 ай бұрын

Did you say dump bed? I defiantly heard dump bed!

@merlepatterson 5 ай бұрын

@@currentliveoccupant No, but it could be an option if you wanted to add the hydraulic pump and ram.

@Boneheaddiesel1 5 ай бұрын

I'm glad someone finally is going this route as I've been asking myself for years why oh why has no one done this. I myself have been trying to research and figure out how it could be done myself or by someone as I'd be one of the first in line to offer my hands to help get it going. I also agree that sticking to one ton work truck something of a service version would be a great proof of concept as service trucks are hard use vehicles and alot end up in remote sites. I say I really hope you guys can get it done and I think starting with a base model newer truck gives you the best chance to kick it off.

@dennishageman4947 3 ай бұрын

This is so awesome, I’ve been thinking about this a several years. Except I was coming from the Class A RV direction. I was always thinking if it works for trains why not everything else! So excited to see this grow!

@triplethreatzxandzedd6746 5 ай бұрын

Reasonably early on in the Edison videos Chace referenced that maybe if the Old Blue showed as promising a proof of concept as thought then maybe smaller trucks would have Edison kit(s) and I've been working over what combination makes the most sense ever since. I settled on non-dually 450 style axle, 10 bolt pattern with disc brakes as it hits all the favoured markers in the consumer truck demographic in North America. For those who insist on having 6 tires planted either an additional axle to make it a 6×6 or design an alternate hub to mount dualies instead and with a 450 axle the deflection should at *worst* reduce the capabilities to that of a 350 axle. As for width spacing the "Dually" add-on could come with fender flares since that'd save from axle width modification between the variants. Lastly it makes sense to run the axles heavier than what's anticipated for need given how significantly the axle's power draw drops as it reaches cruising speed as y'all proved with the Topsy C10 Sherman hauling test! Looking forward to watching this project unfold as well ❤

@jefflowrythor 5 ай бұрын

Diesel electric sounds intriguing. There is no reason why this hybrid shouldn’t exist.

@chrisE815 5 ай бұрын

Not according to the extremists

@jefflowrythor 5 ай бұрын

@@chrisE815 extremist don’t matter, they are full of complaints, contribute no value and aren’t the target market.

@user-yn5sk5ru5g 5 ай бұрын

@@chrisE815nothing extreme about pointing out legitimate reasons why

@colinm1325 5 ай бұрын

And there's ur answer Chris, extremists. Sure, they have some great ideas, But, making those gr8 ideas an actual reality.... @@chrisE815

@danielorrison4893 5 ай бұрын

In 4wd applications it would make more sense to build a transfer case that accepts an electric motor. It would make installing easier with less wiring. The axles and suspension would stay the same and replacement parts can be obtained through local parts stores. The transfer case could also incorporate a parking brake similar to what an automatic transmission. It could also accept a PTO if needed. Iam a self taught, self employed heavy equipment mechanic in the mining and construction for the last 23yrs so my brain instantly goes to keep it simple.

@averyw.3939 5 ай бұрын

I think I might like this idea better. Keeping the motors off the axles would also help with another commenter's concerns, unsprung weight. Plus it would keep the angry pixies a little farther from the water and mud.

@MurphyWoodwork 5 ай бұрын

Too much friction in the system from the driveline. It would work, but the driving range would drop off considerably.

@user-fs3dg1po2z 5 ай бұрын

But if you get rid of the driveshafts and transfer case that gives you a lot of room under the truck, between the frame rails to mount batteries. Any solution that keeps the driveshafts in place is going to limit where you can put the batteries.

@danielorrison4893 5 ай бұрын

That is a good point but you would be doing away with the transmission. The generator system wouldn't need to be as large as the typical engine transmission assembly. @@user-fs3dg1po2z

@danielorrison4893 5 ай бұрын

@@averyw.3939 I agree unsprung weight could potentially cause issues. Drivability and safety would be the most important things followed by being cost effective. There are a lot of electric vehicles rotting away because it cost more to repair them than they are worth. To truly reduce carbon foot print things have to last .

@Super1967ford 5 ай бұрын

I love the idea, servicing sounds great. Take a 6.4 out of an 09 f350 that fills every inch under the hood and replace it with a tiny 3.6 lol no week auto trans blowing up and no clutches, love it

@takinitoutdoors450 5 ай бұрын

Yes I knew once y’all got together we would see a 3/4-1 ton diesel electric project, hopefully one day I can get a retrofit kit for my 04 gmc 👍🏻

@davidanderson2393 5 ай бұрын

Edison Motors are a great group of people on a serious up hill climb, trying to push forward during hard economic times I wish them the best of luck.

@merlepatterson 5 ай бұрын

I've seen rows and rows of 4 cylinder diesel 30-60kw mobile plants at the Ritchie Bros auctions which could be good cheap starter alternatives?

@thecat6062 5 ай бұрын

This is absolutely fantastic! Love everything about it and can't wait to follow the adventure. 👍👍

@murmur3966 5 ай бұрын

Hello Hello From Victoria!!! I hope you take a serious look at the simplest and most cost efficient form of kit. I did structural design and consulting before a car accident and have wanted to see this kind of project in Canada where we need it for so long. Going from the engine compartment and sending power straight to a rear diff or if it is a 4x4 then power straight to a transfer case would be a better conversion package. If you replace all the axles and suspension components the costs will be huge because you are needing to re-engineer everything to fit each pickup. Making conversion kits for semi trucks is easier because there are so few manufacturers that most components are all pretty standardized in configuration. Independent suspension, brakes and all the other brand specific components are all so different why make so much waste and obsolescence for a mod that could be kept much simpler? I get the need for a heavier axle first, but don't forget that yes there are 150,000 F450s or 550 service trucks on the road, but there are 700,000 F150s and 500,000 F250s on the road needing conversions. Good luck and I support every chance to showcase Canadian skill and ingenuity, because lets all Canadians "NEVER ALLOW ANOTHER AVRO ARROW SCREW UP" to tarnish our amazing future or history ever again. Awesome project Rich, I can't wait to see what comes next!! 🤘😁👍

@stevenkuntz5438 5 ай бұрын

I'd aim for the 3/4 and one ton truck market, as I suspect that would give you the greatest potential market opportunity vs the higher spec trucks. As you mentioned, I'd do the first truck as a 1 ton hot shot truck, as you can get it out there covering lots of miles in a hurry, while maxing out the weight capacity of the truck, which would quickly prove out the concept.

@jackbarry9469 5 ай бұрын

Also agree with u, theres so many more 2500s and 3500s vs 5500s to be sold

@silasjayy1222 5 ай бұрын

Everything about this video makes me soooooooo happy and excited for you guys! Keep up the amazing work!! With the way dealerships are going these days the world needs companies like deboss and Edison motors, sooo awesome!

@jeremyjones6347 5 ай бұрын

Both teams keep up the awesome work. Looking forward to seeing the progress

@michaelschaffer2857 5 ай бұрын

Option for smaller generator would be nice and lower the cost for those that will run lighter loads.

@travismcvey 5 ай бұрын

I say keep the OEM axles, and design the kit to just replace the power train. That'll cheepen, simplify, and diversify the whole thing.

@keithwittman4741 4 ай бұрын

Start with medium duty. 5500 They are "work truck" and in NY can be de rated for registration weight. Large distribution businesses use them for store delivery. Contractors use for dump, snow plowing. Almost all the trades use them on the big jobs. Tow trucks. It's the one tier that no company has electrified. And they are the most upfitted to fit needs.

@gregweber8951 5 ай бұрын

Congratulations Rich and Aaron and the Deboss team! Look forward to see what this looks like in a van. Honestly best for security of the components of any welder and e-350 g20-g30 gmc3500

@gregweber8951 5 ай бұрын

James May the history of cars, he ends up with the van

@gregweber8951 5 ай бұрын

Also just imagine the application for camper vans, with the governments printing money the way they do. Beating the sprinter van is the real ticket for world wide sales imo

@slyrie69 5 ай бұрын

Would love to see you get a clean gmt 800 duramax or 8.1 and do a mpg test before and after

@glynowen1906 5 ай бұрын

I’m gonna reach out to my boss. We run trucks all over England and I believe your setup is awesome and would work for us

@marvrude6883 5 ай бұрын

This is a system i have mental been working on for years. I cannot afford to do this but I cant say how glad I am that someone has seen the light on this. I work as a tech for ford and have beet the drum for them to drop all electric and ho high breed diesel like this on every thing. thy could have 70 mpg escapes.

@bentleybloodworth4282 5 ай бұрын

I watch both your channels and this is going to be an awesome watch. I hope you have a feature to plug into a house or shop when the power goes out, this way no need to have a generator sitting not being used for long periods.

@bat__bat 5 ай бұрын

I'm in a Heavy Equipment trade school at the moment and I just realized we are using a cat bulldozer with the C3.6 diesel. In our dozer it has a turbo, but it's whisper quiet without the turbo spinning. Your truck generator won't need a turbo. So that's pretty excellent... add the sound deadener in the engine bay like with F Tree Kitty and that C3.6 will be mostly unnoticeable even at its efficiency RPM which is only like 1100. It's certainly quieter than your typical Thermo King refrigerator trailer, probably as quiet or more than a newer semi APU. Oh that c3.6 is used in a range of cat machines from as low as 80hp up to 150, with 450-500 lb ft torque max w the turbo. Versatile engine

@stevengien5409 5 ай бұрын

I think a hybrid 1-tons are the ideal truck for city service vehicles

@jacobhall8092 5 ай бұрын

Imagine an entire fleet of school buses and garbage trucks running this tech.

@colebertils7359 5 ай бұрын

This is absolutely brilliant! Will be an incredible collaboration, including the audience to help sort out problems along the way.

@Akya2120 5 ай бұрын

My opinion for what to build, is the every truck. Many folks want to own and drive a truck because it's useful, but sometimes impractical. I think building the equivalent of a diesel hybrid mini truck would be freaking awesome. Go for good fuel economy and a reasonable towing capability. Something that everyone would want to own and daily drive.

@Unit.69 5 ай бұрын

I vote test a welding rig, reason being, you’ll get the high electrical demand to run a welder (run a 220 welder without the generator combo) that can apply to a wrecker that needs to charge an EV AND also haul heavy loads long distance, example being here in the US, pipeliners have to haul their campers 1000s of miles from home to jobs, so that could also be a torture test for hot shots, not to mention hotshots also live out of their trucks a lot of times and have to power small accessory AC units, heaters, microwaves, etc.. Just my 2 cents fornicating for a sense.

@gregmoessner3104 5 ай бұрын

Couldn’t the welding truck engine on the back run the whole damn thing? You wouldn’t need an engine or transmission under the chassis

@shawntennant6588 5 ай бұрын

For those who don’t know. Topsy was Edison’s elephant. I’m super interested in this project. Can’t wait for the videos.Also, how do I invest in Edison motors?

@DjeehBear 5 ай бұрын

Wow Edison Motors and Deboss Garage! What a great idea. And its just plain commun sens.

@raycecil4643 5 ай бұрын

Please remember, the 3/4 ton F250's from the 80's are very very common, and more likely to have your average guy buy the kit. the F250 is very close to the same as a F350 1 ton. Everyone puts 1 ton axles under f250s. So....there is that to factor in. Maybe several years down the road you can pick an axle for 1/2 tons, but for the old Fords F250 and up....I'd aim at a 1 ton axle for now.

@sheepFP5 5 ай бұрын

This is such a great collaboration and a huge step forward for the conversion industry! One thing that confuses me is the repeated statements about series hybrids never being implemented before... London's New Routemaster buses have had a series hybrid drivetrain since 2011, Nissan's entire E-power range of vehicles (note, xtrail, Serena, etc) all work on this concept, as do the Mazda CX-30 and BMW i3. Not a criticism, just don't want you guys to get sued for false advertising! Keep up the awesome work

@Sjanzo 5 ай бұрын

Those are passenger vehicles, not work trucks.

@488ci 5 ай бұрын

I think any leaf spring truck is the way to go because they all use the same differentials the torsion suspension will probably make things more difficult for installation. Leaf spring is basic and simple and works great.

@bucketheadrox 5 ай бұрын

Only GM has torsion for 3/4 tons and 1 tons. And I don't even remember when I don't work in GM trucks.

@cfarrell9581 5 ай бұрын

Various HP electric motors and mate it up with the existing pinion yoke Ujoint. Then you do not need any particular axle. Use existing brakes. Most are disk now anyway. Then you can design a mount for the front axle for the 4wd version Pinion and Ujoint yolk. Or mate it up the the existing transfer case and then you only need one motor at double the HP torque.

@MrSlyQue 5 ай бұрын

Dang, DG just keeps getting better! Congrats, and excited!

@iexcav8534 5 ай бұрын

I want to be the first in the states to drive one !!!

@Spad68 5 ай бұрын

I think it would be awesome . I also think you should do it for the gas motor. The f150 is tye best selling truck in north America so imagine doing 5% of those

@CowboyDave07 5 ай бұрын

The problem there is the 1/2 ton market is already saturated with several big and small manufacturers. The 1 ton market only has the big three and zero "boutique" EVs. All the big three have done is add stupid trim packages and emissions equipment. It is ripe for the taking.

@waynetuuk7599 5 ай бұрын

I have done work at Caterpillar plants where they would build loaders of various sizes. I did not work on the Caterpillar equipment itself but did work on the machinery that supplied the assembly lines with parts. Mostly work in what was called the Burn Barn where all the metal sheets etc. were cut out whether by laser or gas saws burn tables. It was quite an operation with the largest sheets being 2 inches thick. What I learned from Caterpillar was they had gone as far as they could with diesel powered loaders when it comes to size. The biggest reason was they could build larger loaders with larger capacities BUT they had to come up with completely new designs for axles and frames to not only handle the larger load capacities but mainly the larger diesel engines with their weight and torque loads. Caterpillar has been designing diesel/electrics now for at least 7 years but I do not know where they are in any final designs. What you are planning to do is different than Caterpillars plan to be like a train locomotive diesel/electric to get power with torque and less weight. Batteries for them would be impractical but your ideas it is practical and I am glad to see you are designing for a WORKING truck and not a "hey look at what I got" truck that has no real purpose. Like Edison said even the Hotshot haulers could haul heavy loads at less cost over the life of the truck. I will be watching the build closely since I am an electrical guy who designed some battery/house power equipment electric motor driven equipment. The equipment would use battery power to move the equipment into a plant such as a car plant where you can go half a mile or more before you are at the work area. Then the equipment was plugged into 480 volts and run on house power because of the large load requirements. It was concrete grinding equipment by the way. I also worked on material handling equipment large cranes that ran on a single railroad track but would put the car or truck after it came out of paint on a shelf in a large warehouse until it needed to go to trim. Oh well some old work war stories. I am interested to see how you do you regen charging and braking since the energy dissipation can be quite tricky when the loads vary and the equipment is in relatively in a free fall, going down hill or lowering a load straight down being close to same thing.

@mlindholm 4 ай бұрын

They explained it with Carl and Topsy, that you first use regenerative braking to put the kinetic energy into the batteries first. Once they're full, you engage the generator into the circuit acting as a motor fed by the axles, which then spins the engine, and you use Jake braking like a normal diesel truck would. Just instead of a drivetrain and transmission running backwards (power flow, not rotation), it's copper wires connecting the middle.

@trashguy 5 ай бұрын

Between your two channels, you have me going down the genset road for some projects. Love it and can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

@chrisyarnold4934 5 ай бұрын

I can't wait. I'm excited for Edison and this is an epic pair up. But have we forgotten the "everything runs on smoke" episode? 😅

@bnnyclips 5 ай бұрын

Now if only they had @ave and @electroboom working on engineering they’d be representing all of Canadatube and three provinces!

@tob007 5 ай бұрын

@ziptiesnbiasplies for testing and cold starts.

@paulwaite8019 5 ай бұрын

Great video and eager to see this collaboration. I agree that the Medium Duty truck is probably the best way to get the prototype/proof of concept work completed. Then as a Phase II, the 3/4 and one ton pickup could evolve, and then further down the road to develop a kit for the half ton market. Someone had earlier commented regarding converting RVs (thinking Class A). That could be very interesting, as another product line. Also wondering about a “powered” trailer axle - so the folks using Ford Lightning pickups would be able to go camping with a TT or 5th wheel and actually have the range to go somewhere.

@benfreeman9717 5 ай бұрын

I agree that this makes tons of sense if it's applied to work trucks. Having all electric tools/welders/compressors/hydraulics, configuring it all to draw power from the main truck battery, and having the diesel genset automatically maintain the battery makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways.

@pierredelecto7069 5 ай бұрын

This really is the best damn idea. I'm pro EV, but the truck and diesel community and work environment is not ready for straight EV vehicles yet. We do want the fuel savings. We want the torque. Why can't we have it all? Wishing you guys all the best from the states. Proud of you guys for doing what major auto companies don't seem to have the balls to try.

@stevecornell8260 5 ай бұрын

You guys should consider what tesla has done with the 48 volt low voltage system. More current available to do work like steering and ac with smaller wires and connectors. Sounds like you all are on the right track to me. I will be watching!

@richardbryant7165 5 ай бұрын

I can't wait to see how quickly this whole process grows. I can easily see how some people may not understand why some vehicles may not be appropriate for what you visualize but maybe down the road you might be able to retrofit other lightweight rides. I think it would be a killer idea for some of the monster motorhomes that are built like a cinder block in a wind tunnel 😂

@theTurnandburn5 5 ай бұрын

Ohhh... this makes so much more sense. I was planning on upgrading all my old iron to straight ev at some point, but this is much better. Once I seen the axels I knew it was finally time. I have a 3ton, 1ton 3/4ton and 1/4 ton. I refuse to buy any new junk that breaks constantly, and is over complicated. This timing is great. Now I just need to get my business going so I can pay for all of it.