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@leibstandartejager85824 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you are ever boring. Teaching us all the true way of general maintenance. We ❤️ U. 🇨🇦
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you. But I do bore myself sometimes.
@dannywright80213 жыл бұрын
Love your videos Mike very good one I ride a fatboy I need clutch work lol
@MikeRidesDaily4 жыл бұрын
Restoring my dad's old pan, you're always my go to Mike. Thanks a bunch for your videos.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank You. I hope your dad feels honored. If he is with us or not, do him proud.
@mranthonye4 жыл бұрын
Just found your video’s and love them. Your old school technology is what people learn from. Thank you for sharing
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@ericlitalien8360 Жыл бұрын
I admire people working and taking the time to explain these young super-bikes, how fantastic! Thanks for sharing Mike! Hope to see you on the road some day!!
@pacificmike9501 Жыл бұрын
I hope so too!
@anthiber3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike! Got my 66 back on the road after watching this video. Keep em coming!
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Will do!
@glsandlin22222 жыл бұрын
I enjoy and appreciate all of your posts. I know its a lot work making quality videos. Thanks, very informative
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you and your opinion.
@Emptybtlswhiskithrtls2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mike. You are a bank of knowledge. I've been tinkering with shovels about thirty years, and still learning a lot , thanks to you. From your Georgia friend, " Dawg!!!"
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Thank You. The learning goes on forever. In that thirty years, you've learned a lot. I'm sure you could show me something.
@lawrest95613 жыл бұрын
I learn volumes from you. Thank you.
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@electricstartclint4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see a new video! Keep up the good work!
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@mihaibalais88644 жыл бұрын
Thank you, good sir! Your guidance was invaluable.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank You. That's great to hear.
@wyattgomes69723 жыл бұрын
great video, very informative. Thanks so much for doing this and taking the time to teach everyone. cant wait to watch more videos of yours
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Thank You. We do have a bunch of videos, already available to you. Just ggo to KZfaq, then pacific mike. Then click on "videos."
@Ftruckn6 ай бұрын
Thanks Mike, delivery was perfect From the Southern Hemisphere- We salute you 🇦🇺
@pacificmike95016 ай бұрын
Thank You.
@warrenp20222 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you for putting up these informative videos. Just watched this one tonight, re-did my Panhead clutch again after changing the transmission sprocket a couple of weeks ago. I also have the Barnett aluminum clutch friction discs in mine, very good product, I've been using them in my Pan since 1998. I noticed that the friction discs were not making full contact against the steel plates by the wear pattern on the friction material. So since I was not in a hurry I set up my 1/2 inch thick glass panel for flat sanding with 220 grit sandpaper and rubbed each friction disc on that until I had a perfectly flat contact surface. It made a real difference in the feel of the clutch even using my foot(suicide) clutch and jockey shift. Now it is in contact or not in contact, none of the grabbing or incomplete release I had before which makes shifting much nicer. I also use a Zodiac Tamer Kit that holds the clutch basket from moving out, I run a belt drive also.
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Cool. There are so many products out there and when you find a system that you like, you've won the battle. Got a few myself.
@hardtailsuicidaljockey68274 жыл бұрын
Great video as ALWAYS ! Hope the new year brings you health and happiness.....
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you and, I certainly wish you the same.
@leibstandartejager85824 жыл бұрын
Another informative video. Brothers forever.🇨🇦
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@elsdp-45604 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU...for sharing. Watched and very much enjoyed. Always a thumb up.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@frnktdmn19372 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your expertise Mike. I was going to post about my grabbing clutch problem but did not want to duplicate a previous poster so I srcoled thru the clutch posts and discovered the post from Dan McCarthy _ same issues. My 2" open primary conversion to my '73 shovel would not disengage the mainshaft. It drove me nuts because I had already done two 1.5" belt conversions successfully. Your advice for drilling out the clutch plates with 25/64 bit did the TRICK! I am so freakin happy with my recent bobber build.
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Cool. That makes me feel really good.
@chemdawg98934 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge mike.....happy New year
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you and Happy New Year.
@cebuwho95643 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mike for another great workshop night love watching your videos if I have a problem I can always go to your videos to teach me how to god bless you
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@cebuwho95643 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 I hope someday I can meet you in person I have a great deal of respect for you
@timothyputzke12504 жыл бұрын
Wishing you and your family a Healthy Happy New Year. Thank you for the Great Videos.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you and, wishing you and yours the same.
@Road-Worthy4 жыл бұрын
Life gets in the way.. you're voice is so distinct. I walked by you a couple times in separate rooms at the gnrs every time I heard your voice I stopped and told the wife hey I watch that dude on KZfaq.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Stop and say hello please. I truly appreciate you. And, the show was great!
@joebehanna58944 жыл бұрын
Mike , thanks so much for your expert instructions they have helped me to become a much better wrench and my old shovelhead thanks you too. Your awesome bruh ! I have an aunt who lives in Riverside cali
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Cool. Is she single and attractive? I mean that most respectfully.
@joebehanna58944 жыл бұрын
No man she isn't
@jobuck8934 жыл бұрын
I love your videos man hope to see more and more of them Thank You
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@pastorbobncc3653 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mike, have a blessed week
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
And, I wish you one.
@dahun782 ай бұрын
Thanks mate, this was absolutely awesome. Watching from Western Australia 🍻
@pacificmike95012 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@jamesking90724 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, I asked you about a clutch issue I was having and wanted to let you know that I purchased a new clutch and went back to the stock circulating system. I built this bike, a 1978 fxe 74 ci over the winter and your videos were there when I got in a bind and didn't quite understand something . Thank you for your response and your very well done videos!
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
That's wonderful. Thank You. And may you and your Shovelhead enjoy many pleasureable years together.
@1381greg4 жыл бұрын
Great vid....very similar to my 99 with a BDL open set up.....Thanks.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@garylight48102 ай бұрын
Aloha Mike... I have been building British bikes for a long time and just picked up a 49 Fl which is my first HD. Some things about the bike were not as designed so been putting it back to stock configuration. Of course I bought a manual but it almost isn't needed now that I found you. I really enjoy your videos!!! Keep on keeping on....
@pacificmike95012 ай бұрын
Thank You. Have fun with it.
@Hoyt1911A14 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Mike. As far as plate brands go a little over twenty years ago I put a set of Barnett plates into the clutch of my Shovelhead. I think once in that time I cleaned them like you are doing here after a carb tweak added a few HP and it started slipping. Haven't had to monkey with them since. I don't know if Barnett is still around but this video made me think of them. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. I live in a rural area in Southern Virginia and the last old timer around these parts that really knew these old bikes passed away a few years ago. Your videos are very helpful to those of us all alone in the wilds trying to keep our old iron healthy.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you. We used to have to figure it out every time we added more horsepower. Tighten those springs some more. Now, if you didn't have one before, you'd be thankful for a foot clutch now. However, Barnett is very much still in business and still family owned. Their factory is in Ventura California. Still making great stuff.
@johneckstrom62534 жыл бұрын
Baby Doll is absolutely beautiful thank you I was wondering what was in the bottle and couple minutes you answered what I had just thought I had to laugh...Thank You Pacific Mike M love & Respect to you....John E.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@bobhartman25714 жыл бұрын
Very nice Mike. Thanks.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@bartsimpson41222 жыл бұрын
It's so good knowing there's still old school bike mechanics, koodos!
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Thank You
@richardziegler213Ай бұрын
Had a 65 panhead back in the 70s that had a problem with the clutch plates becoming soaked with oil . Apparently the chain oil wasn't getting suckrd back into the engine . 🤔 Love your videos thankyou 👍
@pacificmike9501Ай бұрын
You're probably right. I've done so many of those, I had to learn them. Just another day at the office.
@devimead7504 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, couldn't have come at a better time as I have just bought a new set of Barnett clutch plates and springs for my 64 Panhead.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Cool. Be sure you look at our other videos on four speed dry clutches. Just go to our KZfaq channel and click on "videos." They'll be easy to find.
@deadheadlights4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike! Happy 2020!
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Happy 2020! Thank you and, Is this the start of the "Roaring Twenties?"
@deadheadlights4 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 haha it is im afraid. Lots of Roaring and tyre smoke!
@BudzzableRides4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I just stumbled across your ch. today. Sure glad I did, I have an 86 evo with a 4 speed.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Hopefully, I can be of service.
@1955porsche Жыл бұрын
very thorough ,,i need this ,,cant get my 1936el adjusted right,,always engaged wont disengage.. very impressed.. i will start w a steel disc like u did see if that solves my no disengaging issue
@pacificmike9501 Жыл бұрын
"Clean" works on most of it.
@robertjeffery61003 жыл бұрын
Always picking up your tips and tricks
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Cool.
@tomconners84974 жыл бұрын
I ran the Barnett clutch Assy. and Phase 3 open primary combo on my stock 80” shovel. Your triggering a little trip down memory lane with your vids Pacific Mike :).
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Yah, it was and is fun stuff.
@tomconners84974 жыл бұрын
Pacific Mike I mean to say that, the engine was the stock 80” first one, I bought it from the factory 1980. I had already gotten a 57 pan head frame, and a couple of damaged wide glides that fixed up into a good one. I like the new efi harleys , they are Bullit proof. Maybe to good, could be part of California Harley economic woes. Got the new Aircraft spec brakes that were coming out. Yeah nostalgia is a big part of my everyday world these days😂
@ironearl694 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, I just had apart a '68 FLH as it had some starter issues. Had a mix match of parts; one being the wrong year clutch shell ('70 and +). I put in a '65 - '69 clutch shell and reused the clutch plates after inspecting them and cleaning them. I adjusted springs first to 1-1/32" as per manual without having the pushrod adjusting screw tight. Next I set the clutch arm to about 1/2" from the starter, then backed off the adjusting screw 1'8" and tightened the locknut. Then adjusted the clutch cable/hand lever to have approx. 1/4" play. I pulled the hand lever in several times and noted that the pressure plate was likely coming out 1/4" or maybe 5/16". I sat on the bike then and put it in gear and pushed it forward with the hand lever fully in (to disengage the clutch) and it was dragging considerably. The clutch shell looked in good shape and the studs on the clutch hub I sanded and were in good shape, so what could be wrong to not allow the clutch to fully disengage? Is it likely to be that I need to drill out the ten holes per plate on the friction discs ab extra 1/32"?? Any thoughts would be appreciated and I know you enjoy making clutches work well so thought I would ask. Thank you. Darren.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Please realize, although I try, can't see it from here. First, are the plates separating evenly all the way around. Sometimes the springs don't always have even tension and the three studs may need to be tightened unequal amounts in order to compensate. If the plates are not sliding well because the holes the studs (fingers) pass through are not smooth, drill oversize 1/64th, not 1/32nd. You don't need a full 1/4" in that lever. An eighth or less may be the answer. A lot of people used to figure a nickle"s thickness where the lever touches the perch. Do not get a non-mousetrap unit confused with a mousetrap. I'm assuming no mousetrap. Last mousetrap was 1967. But I have installed them on later models.
@ironearl694 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 Thank you Mike for your thoughts; I know you are a busy guy. I guess I should secure the handlever in the fully closed position and then measure the distance between the release disc and clutch friction disc to see if it is opening equally and if not adjust? No mousetrap Mike and BTW I am using the correct springs for '68 and up and I am using a 5 stud hub. Thanks again.
@joesurfer97544 жыл бұрын
@@ironearl69 I could be wrong but I was always taught those 5 stud clutch hubs were more for drag racing and the three stud clutch hubs were better for normal use for disengagement purposes. I personally think you can't diagnose if it is disengaging right unless you start it and ride it.
@mayfairsmith46974 жыл бұрын
Thanks , good stuff. Much appreciated.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@myronbenware87794 жыл бұрын
Good information, video's well done.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@jonhaddican2684 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this together. I have a 49 I'm going to have questions about. PEACE
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Hope I can help.
@Jim_Berry4 жыл бұрын
Good video! Enjoyed it! I would love to see a twin cam video.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I think I have to seal up a twin cam inner primary this week end. Hope I have a camera guy.
@timmix3314 жыл бұрын
Hope you have a great 2020👍🖖
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you and wishing you the same.
@julianbrook-owen91073 жыл бұрын
Another great video Mike. By watching your vids I managed to build my 74 fxe from boxes... She's a real eye catcher now. Thanks. If you have a email I can send you pics. Currently I have a strange whinning noise in third... So I'm on the lookout for related vids. Cheers again. J
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Thank You. Sorry, I need to figure out the picture thing on the Channel. That "whinining" noise in third gear is probably the "third gear" bushing. It comes from riding around in third gear all the time. Probably spent it's life riding around town. Look it up in your service manual. I said "probably" and a "long distance" diagnosis may not be correct. It's a big job, of course, to pull the trans and rebuild it, but not a lot of money in parts if the gears are all good.
@willcountypowersports63382 жыл бұрын
Love the videos man!
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@frankmccracken7433 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, new subscriber here. Love your videos. Can't stop binge watching them! An old shovel owner and rebuilder here, years ago. Twin cam owner now. Learnin' stuff here like the extra steel disc hint. Question: I noticed in this video that you installed the clutch steels still shiny but scuffed the discs. What about scuffing the steels? All the old stories in the old days of guys slightly roughing up clutch steel discs on the side of the road on the concrete when the clutch started to slip...? Thanks again man. Ride safe, Frank
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Not all materials are the same. Do what works for you. They will get "polished" in there anyway. Clean is what you need. Clean and dry. Again, what works for you is what you need. Take care.
@tobpitbull4 жыл бұрын
Another great video
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@lightning334-4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike !
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@2000tc883 жыл бұрын
Mate, that is a really nice Pan you have there, I'd love to see your mates 48. I hope I can find a nice one soon myself. Great vid. 👍
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Thank You. They really are fun.
@Freedomfighter9164 жыл бұрын
Love the video
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@craiganderson31704 жыл бұрын
putting the extra steel in by the hub basket is the best idea. I ruined a brand new hub basket recently. but it was repairable by putting in the steel.
@Shovel19784 жыл бұрын
Did putting the extra steel up against the basket change the way it grabbed? I've never heard of this before, and am getting ready to install new BDL drive
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Yep. Easy fix. Thank you.
@scrumthebum24514 жыл бұрын
Best move I ever made on my 81 fxs was get rid of stock clutch & compensator. Replaced with BDL pro clutch kit wit sold sprocket & chain. It uses the solid Evo style sealed bearings. Much less vibration & clutch never slips
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Very Cool.
@bluebeard61892 жыл бұрын
Whenever I'm not sure if something I just find one of your videos.
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Cool, Thank You.
@balmori.hangarage2 жыл бұрын
Hello Micke!!! I guess you like to service your clutch because the look like the 45 rpm acetate disk with all the good music of the good days!!! best regards as always!
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Yes I do!
@closertothetruth92094 жыл бұрын
nice to know bikes have dry clutches, i thought only wet existed but i work on cars etc not bikes, i like your channel a lot
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them! The later model stuff has wet clutches.
@georgejanz13133 жыл бұрын
Mike, thanks
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@terrysmith87142 жыл бұрын
Many Thanks. Cheers
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Thank you too!
@chadstitz56874 жыл бұрын
Mike, I absolutely love the videos. Keep them coming. My 58 Panhead hemorrhages oil. They all do, but yours does not! Please enlighten me. PS the chain Oiler has been capped off
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the breather tube coming out of the crankcase into the primary? If os, there's your problem. Look at the service manual and find the screw on the oil pump that controls the amount of oil that comes out of that breather tube. Now, close down that screw (just tighten it until it bottoms). Now, open that beather tube. If it's noot breathing, your engine is building up all kinds of destructive pressure.
@chadstitz56874 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 I will give that a go and get back to you. Thank you!
@MoeLarrycurly14 жыл бұрын
🏍🖖🏽😃😃 thank you Love those pans 🍺
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Sweet, smooth, and dependable as an old anvil. Thank you.
@getoffmygrass69744 жыл бұрын
Right on, bring on the twinkie love!! Perfect, I'm working on my 2002 NighTrain now so I'll be sure to look out for those videos as I'm installing an open belt drive. I love old school and try to absorb everything you say and really have grown to appreciate the beautiful aging mechanics of Harley Davidson at the age of 41 but the timing is perfect. So as per your suggestion on my Ultima 3.35" OBP Drag Style I got a new Main Sprocket Shaft Seal and Seal/Bearing Driver Kit along with a new spacer and will be installing it backwards, the original isn't leaking but it's facing factory install as it should. I did see your Shovel Head install and it seems to be easy enough as the tool will do most of the work but couple questions if you don't mind Mike? Should I use a RVT or certain sealant on the splines of either of the two shafts, main and clutch for the new dry primary? Next, my original inner wet primary bolts had a clear RVT silicone i believe, should I do the same when installing the new inner plate with the new supplied bolts or would you recommend a different type? Glad you and Fred had a good ride, "Baby Doll" must be a blast to drive and ya know, if you ever feel like taking us out on the road, maybe a GoPro attachable bike cam that would be fun, we could learn some roadside adjustments like a "clutch" lol, it happens and clutches are cool, I have no doubt I'll get this one perfect on the first try, guess i will start with manual recommended specs and wish for the best, this is my first dry clutch. I envy you as I live in Massachusetts and it's winter, though this Saturday will be 60* so with any luck, my transmission race puller is supposed to show up tomorrow and if all goes well, hopefully I'll have my new Open Primary done in time to get a scoot boogie in. Thanks for the knowledge Mike, much appreciated.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
All those things are subjective. RTV on trans mainshaft splines could help on a 4 speed. Not so much on the later 5 and 6 speeds. Some of this stuff you'll learn by doing. The sealant on the inner primary bolts may or may not matter depending on your application. It's the same thing as always on primaries: are we sealing it in or sealing it out? Hope you have a great ride on Saturday, no slipping and sliding on any ice or snow.
@getoffmygrass69744 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, much appreciated as usual and you’re exactly right.
@looloo63223 жыл бұрын
"That was working not well"- A classic line.
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
The point I was trying to make is: These things are subject to many issues. A lot of the parts we're working with are quite old. So, the goal is to make all of these parts function well together. If at first you don't succeed (whatever level of perfection you're going for), go back in and have a little talk with her. Glad you like it. Thank You.
@looloo63223 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 You're glad I like it, actually I love it and I am going to steal it, if you don't mind.
@burner2342 ай бұрын
Great video! Somehow I missed the part showing all the lesser informed how to load the springs on the pressure plate with the adjusting screw and washer. Some people think their springs are going flying on removal. Maybe it was in a previous video. Cheers
@pacificmike95012 ай бұрын
I have shown it, but, lay the releasing disc smooth side down and put the springs in place, all ten in a circle with their respective holes in alignment with each spring. Now, lay the pressure plate on top of the springs. Depending on the clutch hub you're using, there will be either three or five of those holes shaped for adjusting nuts. Don't worry about them, they will register when installing the releasing disc onto the hub, later. Now lay a large flat washer or a Shovelhead valve spring retainer over the large center hole in the pressure plate. The washer should have a 3/8 hole in the center or size it down with a small washer over the big one. Now, install the center adjusting screw and put the locknut on it. Tighten the lock nut some and the whole thing is in one piece. After you install it with all of the three or five stud adjusting nuts, you can remove the center locknut and take out the large flatwasher.
@MrJoshlemons4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
And, thank you.
@rickpelkey26463 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike! Realy enjoying your channel, great to see another old grey haired biker type working on old bikes. Kind of an off topic question for you. I recently aquired a 59 Pan after many years of running a 77 Shovel. Loved the belt drive on the shovel and I'm thinking that the Pan will get a belt this winter. My question is how did you route the crankcase breather on Baby Doll?
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
You may have to modify the breather tube going into the primary. Remove the tube and modify the primary end to attach a 3/8 hose to the end of it. Route the hose behind the primary tin and out the back of the bike. Be careful how you do it so it doesn't ever spray oil on the rear tire. Be sure you bottom the oiler screw on the oil pump. Don't tighten it so much that it damages the pump. Now it is just a breather and not an oiler.
@716Harleyjoe4 жыл бұрын
great lessons Mike, I own shovelheads, a 72 fx, a 78 flh and a 82 flh. My question is keep the chain primary or go belt drive. I like to keep stuff stock for higher values, thanks
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I like belt drives on kick start bikes and I like chain drives on electric start bikes. Just my preference.
@danoweston61854 жыл бұрын
I always learn something from your channel. Thanks! So all the plates are marked with out to tell which side ?
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
You're looking at the motorcycle as you're installing the plates. The steels say "out" on them. Out is facing you.
@danoweston61854 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 thank you Sir!
@danoweston61853 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 thanks!
@kennyadamson59694 жыл бұрын
If Bob Ross was introduced to motorcycles instead of paint as a kid! I could watch these videos all day!
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
He really was special.
@warrenp20222 жыл бұрын
Part 2: Since I use the Zodiac Tamer Kit in my Pan 4 speed clutch the clutch basket cannot be removed without first removing the clutch hub nut. Makes it difficult to remove without using an air impact tool and almost impossible to use the correct torque when installing the hub nut. So I made up this tool from an old clutch friction disc and clutch steel using three 1/4 inch bolts to hold them together, make sure you center them. I drilled the holes in the steel and inserted them together into the clutch, centered them and started drilling the holes in the friction disc, finish drilling the holes on the bench. To use it just remove all clutch plates, insert tool into clutch all the way in to the base of the fingers, now the hub and basket are locked together. I run a belt so I made a steel bar to lock the pulleys and once that is in place everything is locked. I was going to attach pictures but can't figure out how, sorry.
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Thank You.
@Shovel19784 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, so are you adding a extra steel plate to the stack? Does the metal on metal still engage/grab the same? Just received a new BDL system and don't want to hurt anything. I've never seen this done before
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
The bottom fiber either engages on the inner surface of the basket itself, or it engages against a steel plate that is protecting the basket. It's a very common old way of doing it. If you let the fiber plate engage with the basket, it tends to wear and gall in there. Next time you take it apart, you might say, "I don't like that," and add a steel plate, or not. No harm, no foul. Just remember, if you add a steel plate, you may have to grind the edges and remove the buffers so it can bottom completely flat in the basket.
@chaseheatingcoolinginc.27582 жыл бұрын
Mike, First of all I'd like to thank you for all the videos! I'm a true fan. I also have a 52 Pan I've been trying to bring back to original. It was in a 58 swing arm frame when i bought it. I've come a long way since. What belt primary are you running? I don't want the chain to deal with like I had on my 57 years ago. I'd also like more choices on pully sizes to get more on the top end highway gears. Thanks Mike! -Erik
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Thank You. I'm running 8mm Rivera Primo primary belt drives on both my Knuckle and my Pan. I believe they are still available from American Prime Mfg. (562) 889-8665. An 11mm is a slightly higher ratio. The way to raise that ratio is a bigger trans sprocket. That's it. Not a lot of choices on a belt primary. 11mm setup is slightly higher. On your trans, 25 tooth on a ratchet lid trans, 26 on a jockey lid. That's super high gearing.
@chaseheatingcoolinginc.27582 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 Thanks for the quick response Mike. I'll check it out.
@stevemoore8742 Жыл бұрын
I was baffled as how you were able to have the release plate assembled with the springs already under pressure, until you finally mentioned the shovel head valve retainer . Genius! Thanks for mentioning. I have no idea how that can be reassembled without that? How did Harley suggest this? Thanks for that video. My56PAN
@pacificmike9501 Жыл бұрын
It's the way I was taught in the seventies. It's not hard to assemble off the bike and then put it on. The guys I knew back then were not trained by the factory.
@bobpeters65323 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike! Great videos on clutch disassembly and cleaning! The clutch on my '77 Shovelhead wasn't engaging properly, so I removed the primary cover to have a look. Turns out when I work the clutch lever, the left side of the clutch basket moves out, but the right side hardly moves at all. The clutch springs seem to be relatively even, but I'll take measurements and adjust them evening just to be sure. Can you tell me what's causing the uneven movement of the clutch basket? Thanks!
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
If everything is cleaned and lubed properly, the basket should stay still. Look at all of our stuff on clutches. Just hit the "videos" button. There are several videos on the old dry clutches.
@danmccarthy33424 жыл бұрын
Great Video, Mike... I have a 1980 Shovelhead FLT (mostly stock)... primary converted to dry belt drive, and my clutch has been 'grabby'... where is catches unexpectedly while slowly release the handle. I completed a full service (using your video)... QUESTION: Do you ever 'lightly grease' the fingers of the clutch basket so the plates 'slide easier'? Thanks.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
NO. But I've used a lot of different brands of clutch plates. Usually, they are stamped out. That's fine, after years of using the same tooling, the 3/8" holes for the "fingers" aren't quite nice any more. I go 1/64th" over on all of those ten holes in each plate. I use a drill press. Go slow and don't hurt yourself. The other thing is to make sure those fingers are smooth.
@jamesf.mcdonoughjr.97212 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, Thank you for all the videos and experience, as you teach from your home garage! also just love it when something doesn't go perfect for you, it makes you more real. OK enough brown nosing! I restored a 1981 Sturgis about 10 yrs ago, and it only has about (11,000 Mi.) clutch and transmission shifted like butter but had a little clutch chatter till warm. Thinking a warped plate I put in a new clutch plates and steel plates this time with anti rattle balls; chatter gone but cant find neutral when running now?? cant seem to dial in the adjustment, followed service manual but without success!!! Haven't had this happen on any other shovels I own; could you do a video on how to adjust properly, my best Jim
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
I don't have one of those transmissions with the "Astrodome lid." But, if you look in the service manual for the clutch adjustment, you'll see a 13/16" measurement off of the top of the lid, to the clutch release lever. Quite possibly, your issue. Another possible issue would be the fiber plates not sliding easily on the clutch hub "fingers." This happens with a lot of aftermarket plates after their dies have been used a few million times. If such is the case, I drill out the holes in the plates 1/64th of an inch over the original 3/8ths. Then they slide easily.
@jamesf.mcdonoughjr.97212 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 Thank you Mike, I didn't check for a reply until just now 9:35 am East coast ( Rhode Island smallest state in the union ) I thought If i received an answer; mite be weeks. I use a small block of wood with Formica on one side 13/16" in between arm and tranny while I start my adjustment on it. I think your advice to drill my be my answer and will try that. I'm a 1951 model (be 71) in a couple of weeks; so probably not a whole lot of tread left on my tires LOL. I truly appreciate what you are doing Mike, Keep it shinny side up!! Jim
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Thank You, you got plenty tread left. We both do.
@caspar07774 жыл бұрын
Great video Mike! A little bit long, but what a pleasure to watch and listen 😎 A little thing I do is I drill the clutch plate holes just a bit bigger, so they slide easier to come free. It make more noise, but what a fun to hear. Cheers from France
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I do the same thing, depending on the size of the holes. Most clutch plates are stamped out and the tooling gets old. The holes aren't round as they should be. When I get that, I drill them out 1/64th over the intended 3/8". Don't go to big, and, no noise.
@caspar07774 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 Hi Mike, on my shovelhead I've fit a "York" clutch, that works realy marvelous, have ou heart about them?
@donsmith55343 жыл бұрын
Mike, love your videos, I have this old 58 FL with a shovel upper end (chopper) that has been sitting in storage forever, now my son wants to put it together and your videos are helping, anyway we just installed the hand clutch cable and it's super hard to pull, I guess some cable lube and go through the clutch, also it has a old phase 3 primary belt, could the pressure plate springs possibly stiffened up over the years, I don't remember ever being that hard, any thoughts?
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Yep. Take it all apart. Clean the clutch plates, both steels and fibers. Clean and lube the lever. Hang up the cable and run Break Free in it 'til it runs out the bottom. The clutch springs are probably good. We have videos up for all of these procedures. You'll find them under "Playlists" on our KZfaq Channel Home Page.
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Hey, Thank You.
@alanstebbins33844 жыл бұрын
Like your video, what do you think is better the 3 or the 5 finger clutch hub
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Matter of personal preference. I prefer the three.
@patrickmalloy78814 жыл бұрын
Mike great videos!!!! I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place but could you make a video on assembly and then adjusting the friction discs in a rocker clutch? Kind of like how you did the mouse trap video only this time with the rocker clutch?
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
I do show adjusting the shifter on my Panhead. I think it's there. I know I already showed it. Maybe it's on a clutch video.
@wcjones10104 жыл бұрын
Mike I've watched all of your clutch videos, I haven't seen anything on how to adjust the rocker clutch setup, especially as detailed as the mouse trap video is. Rocker clutch transmission adjustment video would be great.
@chadhamann8315 Жыл бұрын
Was wondering if you could please do a video on how to setup the rocker pedal assembly and linkage adjustments so that everything works as designed.
@pacificmike9501 Жыл бұрын
There's stuff in there on that. Go to KZfaq. Type in Pacific Mike. When the Homepage comes up, click on the word "videos." There's about 275 videos. Plenty of stuff you're looking for. Look at the videos on my red Panhead (Baby Doll).
@johnbruce32244 жыл бұрын
your awesome!!
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@michaelnellis33243 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info on the older Harley's. Really helps and your content is great. My friend asked me to help on a 1948 flat head. We got the motor running nice now using you carb videos. My issue now is I can't get it into gear once it's running. The gears just grind. Seems to shift ok when it's off. Is there an adjustment I am missing for the clutch?
@michaelnellis33243 жыл бұрын
When I do get it into gear the clutch seems to work ok to get moving.
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Okay. You said "Flathead." Is this a Big Twin, or a 45? Either way, it sounds like your clutch isn't releasing. Yes, the clutch must be adjusted. Do you have a service manual? Again, what is the bike? The clutch plates could be stuck together if the bike has been just sitting around. Better address this before putting it in gear again. Transmission parts are expensive
@michaelnellis33243 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the reply. All I was told is 48 flat head. S/n on the motor says 42u4272. It's been in his family since new. 12v conversion, belt drive. I think it has been restored sometime in its life. It's been sitting since 1992. Motor run great thanks to you videos. Thanks for all the content. I dont have a manual but it think your clutch video will get me where I need. Mike
@skorobeymoto6133 Жыл бұрын
Спасибо большое. Если даже были вопросы, то они исчезли после просмотра вашего видео 🤝.
@pacificmike9501 Жыл бұрын
Thank You. You'll have to excuse me. I just got my translator working again. Not Google's fault, mine.
@bobpeters65323 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike! As you recommended, I removed the cam cover on my '77 Shovelhead in hopes of draining the oil and gas from the crankcase. Thanks to one of your videos, I made my own cover puller based on your design. Since there's at least four quarts of oil, plus an unknown quantity of fuel in the crankcase, I was expecting a lot of fluid to flow out. That didn't happen. I only got about half a quart of fluid out. Other than tilting the bike, is there something else I need to do to get the fluids out?
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Cranking it over will pump it out through the breather hose. If the topend is off, get a hand pump for pumping lubricant into an automotive differential and pump the oil out by hand.
@jessybrown8907 Жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, I got a rotary top transmission. Looks similar to your ratchet top. My clutch arm is so hard to pull, I didn't notice with my jockey set up, but now that I have reverted back to it's original set up I can't pull it with my hand lever (so it's not the cable). I've tried to move the arm itself by hand, and it won't budge. Would you have an advice on where/what to look for? Great vids btw, helps a lot.
@pacificmike9501 Жыл бұрын
Thank You. It pivots in the kicker cover. The pushrod goes all the way through the trans mainshaft. Remove the kicker cover (throwout bearing cover) and have a look.
@gordonrobertson39732 жыл бұрын
Great videos...i enjoy and learn..but if you were in my neighborhood you would be known as the MR Rogers of Harley's..🤪😉
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Thank You. I am having a good time.
@CapnDrift4 жыл бұрын
I've been riding and wrenching on my (chopped) '62FL for forty years and learned something when you started with the steel. Further more, I just replaced a BDL basket because of the friction disc gouging you mention. Question for you, Mike: instead of replacing the basket could I have just dropped a (corner shaved) steel in? Also, would you do me a favor and if you haven't put the outer on yet, or have an old Pan basket lying around measure the depth? Shovels are deeper?
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Yes, you could have put a plate i there. But, as you ask, the difference in depth can be from Manufacturer to manufacturer. There are also bunches of manufacturers of clutch plates. The stacks vary in height. I've gone through piles of used stuff to come up with different combinations to suit the applications. I don't know what BDL"s depth is.
@CapnDrift4 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 I wasn't asking the BDL depth. I've the old one laying on the back porch. I was asking what stock (Pan) is. That I don't have any longer (it's lost or buried). The thing is, my basket doesn't have room for an extra steel. I suppose I could run a 1/2 disc at the release plate. Or maybe I'm just over thinking it (shrug). And an after note: It just dawned on me you aren't running a stock primary either. Still, if you've a stock one lying around or have the opportunity to measure a customer's I'd be interested in knowing how deep it is. Just because, I guess. Thanks. Yes, they call me "Drift." ☺
@thesenutz773 жыл бұрын
I thought you just scuffed them up on a concrete floor a few times and you were good to go? Thank you for the videos.
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
It works. The neater the job, the easier it works. I remember doing them on the sidewalk.
@rp75heavy4 жыл бұрын
U can also use a top shock washer, to retain those spring s
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Or a large flatwasher stacked with a small flatwasher, or something from the hardware store. It's fun to be creative. That old valve spring retainer has been used on old cluches for over forty years. Don't tell her there's a cheap replacement for her.
@thatsmrharley2u24 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 I've always used an old Chevy fender shim. Works perfectly.
@crspcritter2 жыл бұрын
Working on my shovelhead clutch . Can of worms. Dry like yours ; belt drive . I have to rev it to get in nuetral . My springs are 5 Barnett and 5 factory springs . So I went back to all factory springs . Now I have to rev to get in neutral and it goes past and to second gear . Frustrated- got it set up as loose as possible and most clutch pull . I seen all of Indian larrys bike have updated clutch hubs . $$$ Well there are several things on market to help clutch basket from wandering. Thanks mike . Making things more better - 😁✊🏻👍👌🙏
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
Not sure what the problem is. Is the clutch not releasing, or is there a transmission problem? Is the basket loose on the hub? Is the throwout system funtctioning properly?
@crspcritter2 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 yes it opens wide . Dragging I believe. I have the big fix rollers . I have 5 finger hub . 5 finger not good as 3 now I’m told . I have a primo 11mm belt drive with idler . I know tension is right . Idler seems to keep it riding towards inner primary side . 🤔 👍🙏
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
That's another issue. Shimming the trans to get the mainshaft in the same plane with the motor shaft is what you need. Maybe the idler will require some shimming.
@crspcritter2 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 amen mike - I will investigate. Many thanks . Wife and I got out for a ride ; pi town loop . Dang it was great hearing em v twin’s roar side by side . 😁 autumn in the air - ✊🏻👍👌🙏👋
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
You bet. Been out on my Shovel. She's serving up some serious thrills lately.
@hyperluminalreality14 жыл бұрын
Saw you do 1 1/2 turns at 21:20. That is why you had to do another half turn on the other two to match them.
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Okay.
@oleary4543 жыл бұрын
Mike! Working on a 55 panhead and got everything running good! When the bike gets nice and warm if i am at a stop in first gear with the clutch pulled in the bike will intermittently try to jerk the bike forward.. its an open belt primary and looking at the pressure plate it looks as if it grabs and then frees up and then grabs and frees up.. and it spins with what appears to be a wobble.. any advice on how to attack this problem? Love the videos by the way! Keep em coming
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Thank You. We showed getting those plates clean, so they don't stick together. Another thing to try, and it's not very expensive, is a "Ram Jett Retainer" for the clutch basket, which keeps the basket straight when the clutch is desengaged. Other than that, readjust the springs. You will get it, because you're getting the experience. It gets easier and easier.
@oleary4543 жыл бұрын
You're awesome thanks for the reply!
@fagen22223 жыл бұрын
Hi mike I have a 1981 FLT iv got my self a import to GB iv given it a going over but now I fined the clutch drags I was going to try to set it up the sting retainer plate is less than one inch and it’s knot releasing square but I fined 3 of the 5 studs turn with the nuts I guess the lot needs to come out don’t know what I am going to fine can’t fined it in the books
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
The five stud clutch hub is considered an improvement by a lot of people. If the studs are turning, they need to be peened over on the back side. Some people even weld them. Personally, I would put in a new replacement hub with three adjusting studs and I would replace anything else in there that is questionable. I'm really sorry I can't see it from here.
@Rhysmoreton3 жыл бұрын
Mike, sorry to comment on an old video! I've been having a few issues with my clutch and I noticed you have steel/fibre/steel/fibre/steel/fibre. I have an extra fibre at the back. I never really thought much of it until now! may be why my clutch has been acting wild!
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
The best combination is the one that works for you.
@Rhysmoreton3 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 The combo I had in there isn't smooth and quite grabby! I'm going to try yours out and see where we land!
@scottlofton260710 ай бұрын
Specking of clutches what's your thoughts on the ram jet retainer? The old lowrider has a 5 bolt studs with the tin retainer and springs, hard to shift into first gear and drages at stops.
@pacificmike950110 ай бұрын
I first met Roger (Ramjett of Ramjett Products) when he demonstrated that retainer at a shop I was working in back in the early eighties. We became good friends after that. I've used those retainers ever since. If never change to the five stud hub. But, there's nothing wrong with them. I just don't see the advantage.
@BuzzJones3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, also I hv an aftermarket wet/dry clutch on my 59’, 4 Clutch pads & 4 steel plates, and the distance from the outer Pressure Plate to Spring Collar is not 31/32 it’s very hard to pull the clutch lever but it was 1-1/8 before disassembly but I got it to 1-1/16. Would this be ok for the setup I got, it’s been years and a cpl head injuries since I put it in new in the 90’s ? Thanks
@pacificmike95013 жыл бұрын
Be sure the angle on the clutch arm is correct. Be sure the throwout bearing is operating correctly. Remember, a dry clutch runs dry and a wet clutch is really wet. Apparently, your clutch can be used either way, but not both. Your system is for a dry clutch, so you have a dry clutch. The measurements are merely a starting place. The springs have to compress to release pressure on the discs. You didn't mention if you have a mousetrap. If so, please refer to our video on setting up a mousetrap. Go to our KZfaq Homepage and click on videos, There's a bunch of them, but find the one on mousetraps. If you still are having issues, write back with more details.
@billynolan33932 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, Many Thanks for sharing all your knowledge. You have been a valuable resource to me over and over again. I have a slight issue with my clutch on my 1981 FXWG Shovelhead. Everything is stock but it has a very agressive crash style gear change as I change gear it sounds pretty clunky. I've had advice and people say "Buddy, that's just how they are" but I have a second symptom with is I cannot find neutral while the bike is running. She just jumps from 1st to 2nd and back to first until I turn the bike off. At which point neutral is easy to find. I've used up all the adjustment on the cable and am left with no more play. My question is, should I be compressing the springs on the pressure plate or decompressing the springs to get a bit more clutch action. Hope your day is awesome. Bill from Ireland 😁
@pacificmike95012 жыл бұрын
The bike jumping back and forth between gears sounds like a transmission problem. That 81 4 speed has what's referred to as a "rotary top." Inside that lid is a shifter plate. I suspect something wrong in there. That plate registers the position for each gear. I'd have to look inside. I hope that doesn't ruin your day. You wished me an awesome day and I don't want to be the bearer of bad tidings. But, I don't think I could tolerate a gear change that I didn't call for. Take care.
@billynolan33932 жыл бұрын
@@pacificmike9501 Hi Mike, Thank you for your advice and for taking the time to respond. It's really special that you always make time to. I appreciate it a lot.
@michaelhazen86582 жыл бұрын
@@billynolan3393 Hey billy when you say "jumps from first to second" are you referring to trying to find neutral? Or do you mean its shifting gears without any input from you on the gear lever? Ive noticed with my twin cam that it can occasionally be finicky about finding neutral. Its was really bad when I first got the bike. Ive since changed the oil and meticulously adjusted the clutch pushrod and the cable to spec. That makes a huge difference. But that isnt all. Ive noticed that the gearbox has another habit I am familiar with on other machines - getting to neutral is a whole lot easier if the bike is just barely rolling or if I just give the bike a little nudge from the clutch as I go for neutral. It has to do with how the gearbox meshes and a little input will let things click. BTW = I dont know if this is the case with the gearbox in your bike, but Im told that in mine, they are designed to not go into neutral from second. I could be wrong about that though. So if it is a "find neutral" issue - double check all the adjustments - pushrod and cable. and try hitting neutral just as you roll to a stop. that will probably give you a better idea where things need to be looked at to make things even better.
@billynolan33932 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhazen8658 Hi Mike, yes that's exactly it. She won't find neutral when running. I have naturally found that if I grab neutral just as I'm coming to a stop. It's much easier. The bike had been sitting for a long time before this year and I freshened up most everything apart from the clutch. I'll take it out and give it a clean and then adjust the push rod and cable. Many Thanks!!!!! 😁
@michaelhazen86582 жыл бұрын
@@billynolan3393 Excellent! Im also using specific gearbox and primary oils - not "one oil for all" or ATF in the primary as some like to do. I think type and age of the oils makes a difference.
@johngordon8376 Жыл бұрын
Mike my name is John gordon I live in rock falls ill. I own a 1962 flh harley panhead. I have replaced over approximately 2500 dollars in parts and performed extensive amount of work on her. I had to replace the pivot plate on the mousetrap.also replaced the dry clutch package with new parts. I have the clutch lever at one eighth play. I watched your video about the clutch adj. My question is with the mousetrap system is the pressure on the clutch pushrod to the throw out bearing the same as shown on your video
@pacificmike9501 Жыл бұрын
There is no pressure until the arm is moved. The idea is to adjust to the point of pressure, then back off so there is none.
@discogodfather224 жыл бұрын
Any advantage to using some kind of lock washers on that hardware Mike? I see a few with safety wire sometimes.
@716Harleyjoe4 жыл бұрын
with safety wires YOU KNOW they wont come loose, they are easy to do. they are DEEP inside so u cant check them daily to know
@pacificmike95014 жыл бұрын
Not on the clutch studs. I don't know where you're referring to. But in in some places, safety wire is great.