And it should have been for this test. No one will buy one of these and leave it stock.

Torque and displacement rule

Good thing we can ECU flash that nonsense and get the most of our bikes. 🤘🏻

Also a the 4 pot is actually making a lot of emissions just by being a 4 pot, so one of the thing they use to reduce the emissions is actually a restrictive exhaust. Most bike increase their hp by a lot with full exhaust kit, but moreso on this bike.

@@mloclam6917 Torque does not matter in a sport bike. Not even a little bit.

The sound of a screaming inline 4 is such a beauty ❤

the computer starts closeing our throttle at 10k. yall yap about euro 5 but our noise regulations are knee caping bikes more.

@@nick4506 yes its kinda funny that people constantly mock Euro emission rules but then suddently the US slaps the bikes with a 500x worse regulation that literally kills all of the fun of the bikes. I hope Euro regulations never go that far

@@nick4506same thing happened in 1971. The LS6 Chevelle in 1970 had 450 hp. 70 was the biggest year in horsepower. Then the epa came out with emission rules that just coincidentally (not) killed horsepower. Same 💩 different year. Insurance companies have been the biggest in politicians campaign contributions and lobby money

@@pitchforkpeasant6219 what getting our bikes now is noise regulation. epa emission rules are reely lax compared to euro. what was reely holding back early 70s cars was leaded gas. cant use a catlylitic converter with leaded gas. all they had was just goofy air injection and a whole bunch of ideas that didn't work. any emissions regulation hurt power a ton. onec leaded gas was out and they discovered cats and the oil crisis was over power came back. i dont know if you've seen smog but yea emissions regulations are necessary. but the goofy testing procedure they use for noise regulations is crazy.

Got mine in Blue, 59yrs, 5'9, 165lbs. GREAT BIKE! Ride safe Brother!

Buy some springs that support your 277lbs properly, thank me later

​@@williamelliott17500:11

Oh no. I couldn't do it, just from the ergonomic standpoint. I'm the same height, weigh 30 pounds less but my knees and back are 7 years older, so I went with a bike with a more stretched out wheelbase and ergonomics, got the GSXS1000GT+, enjoying the 150 HP. Probably my last 2 wheeler after 50 years of riding. Just stay safe.

Got mine in yellow. 50 yrs old, 6'5" 230 pounds and I absolutely love my bike.

CYA

Yeah who cares. It’s not like some cop can “sense” that your bike is ecu flashed

Only in places like commifornia anyway. If they can't stop people looting on a daily they don't need to be looking at people's bikes.

@@siraff4461 Just tell the cop the bike is stolen 😁

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 They would probably fill the tank for you and ask if you need anything else.

You really think 8R riders ain’t also gonna do power mods to! That’s why you go stock for stock! Cause once you start modding it’s a hole other game!

​@tammyforbes2101 they might but the horsepower won't double + the flash is solely to fix the gimped mapping where 10k-redline is completely flat

@@tammyforbes2101 Not the same thing. Stock 4RR in Europe and Asia equals US bike with flash. The 4RR is limited for noise regs in the U.S.

Neither of these are really beginner bikes.

@@subzero-ku2wx you're probably talking to people who buy 1000cc's for thier 1st bike and only ever use 10% of its potential. 🤣 Waste of time

These aren't beginner bikes. Both of these mfgs sell bikes targeted at beginners that are significantly cheaper.

Yes, inflation is alive and well, even in the motorcycle world. Beginner bikes? Maybe not so much, at least for most of us.

​@@williamwintemberg inflation is a beeatch! I remember the old RS125 in the 90s cost around 3k. Imagine what that would cost in today's money😮

Triggered much

It would be interesting if both bikes got flashed and then see which one benefited the most.

Its still dog slow under 8k lol 😂

@@hexagonosaurus5848 And? it takes a whopping 1 second to clear 8k from a stop and never touch it ever again.

Maybe not an absolute beginner, but good for a near beginner. Get a crappy bike for a few hundred miles then upgrade to one of these. Or in a few years when the Suzuki is used for $4,000 it will be good for beginners.

All beginners are not poor mate...

The zx4rr is not a beginner bike. Its suspension and other features make it a fantastic small displacement track bike. A beginner wouldn’t even be able to squeeze the performance out of it. Go buy a ninja 400 and shut up until you get more experience

@@cottleful true, but these reviewers always talk about how they are "great for beginners". That is exactly what I meant with my comment. These are NOT beginner bikes, especially for that price (they cost that much because they have non-beginner features)

@cottleful On the contrary, the ZX-4R is perfect for near beginners. It's not so fast that they'll be more focused on not dying than learning. And it has plenty of capability to grow into. A personal anecdote: I started on a Ninja 500. After 2 months, I upgraded to a Daytona 675. I learned more in 2 hours on the Daytona than I did in 2 months on the Ninja. I was not nearly good enough to use all of Daytona's capability. But the bike was good enough to allow me to more comfortably explore what I was capable of. I would never buy a new Ninja 400 unless you really like that class and want to stay there. If it's for learning, plenty of other people have already done that, just buy their used bike. True beginners should start on something cheap and used so not as much is lost when they inevitably drop it. After a very short period with the learner bike, get what you want - probably not a liter or giant bagger - but otherwise, get what you want. Something being "too good" is never a reason to tell someone else to not buy it.

I like the premise of the video but could do with less corny semi-scripted banter and a shorter introduction to the bikes, since that was all covered months ago when they were released.

Totalitarian state

If you clap or make an audio spike that also has a strong visual cue, it's easy to sync the audio to video footage.

😂😂😂

The fact that is fires so soon after is what gives it the smoothness advantage. From the short bit I read about it..

The crank goes around twice for every power stroke. So its 270-450-270-450 etc. A 180 degree crank would go 360-360-360-360.

@@DogmaticShrew But how is it better?

It is mostly a noise and vibration difference. A 270 degree crank has the same firing interval as a 90 degree V-twin like a SV650 or Ducati. To most peoples ears, the uneven firing interval of a 90 degree V-twin or 270 parallel twin sounds alot nicer than a 180 paralell twin which sounds like a lawn mower engine. 270 degree twins also do not have the awful rocking couple of a 180 degree twin (or not to the same extent) so they are generally less buzzy to ride on the highway. The reason they cost more is due to manufacturing as 270 degree twins require a twisting process during forging which is more expensive. But in terms of power and torque per cc theres is very little difference. 270 degree twins can generally be made larger due to the better balance though. Think africa twin 1100. Last difference is in torque pulses. The uneven firing interval is said to improve traction and make it easier to reach the limit. (Think yamaha cross plane vs traditional I4s. or big bang engines in motogp). However with small capacity bikes like these that can barely break traction, it is not a concern. Thanks for listening to my rant

@@Expertshot777 Thanks for posting it. It's not a rant, it's informative lol Cheers