Even multiplayer mods like ESO stuff is just HUD and material gathering tools. Or games like Left 4 dead they just change the models. What a piss ant.

Its the equivalent of comparing an economy car to like a Ford raptor... You just can't without sounding like a moron

What!? You mean the "I win all the time" MOD isn't a good idea for multiplayer games???

I remember like a decade ago explaining this to my mom after complaining about cheaters and she brought up ps2 cheat codes.

u dont get banned for playing wit cheats last time i checked and if he does it will only be for like 2 weeks

@@jvanni4932 my post was more to point out how easy it would be if you were bsg, to catch him.

@@jvanni4932 Yeah you do iirc. There was a big controversy about that when they started cracking down on cheaters months back. They were banning cheaters and anyone who was playing with them actively.

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@@jvanni4932yea you do. Playing with cheaters specially when you know they’re cheating such as when he is giving Stevieee call outs for when the enemies are going to come around a corner or where they are hiding is just as guilty as using the cheat itself.

only liberals cheat

Under some countries laws, sure, but definitely not even the majority of them

I could see in tournaments, but not in a stream.

Cheating on a monetized stream is not fraud.

@@mxtchousas9747 i am sure a good and expensive lawyer could find a way to make it a fraud case ... idk maybe like the type of lawyer a MULTIMILLION dollars worth company can afford .

fraud /frôd/ noun wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. "he was convicted of fraud"@@mxtchousas9747

Because bsg is a RuSSian trash company and doesn't care....

scripts dont work like that

@@BrokeMotorSport of course they do. Why do you think cheaters don't simply have infinite health? Because the server will detect that and instaboot them

@@Toxodosquestionable because there is still the faux invincibility hack and or bug in the game, server is not recognizing or caring about that

yes

Well no, if you cheat on MP game you're hurting other player, game dev, etc. Masturbating don't...😅

@@floben3041 actually no, you deprave potential partner of pleasure? so masturbating is selfish in sense. You also deny grandchildren for your parents.

@@floben3041 That goes without saying, he literally said no one but the cheater gets pleasure from cheating. Its implied that he is hurting others and doesnt care.

Its not that easy, bugs can happen an will at some point, lets take a loot at Rust as an example, They have a feature where it will kick u for a fly violation but its really buggy and can kick you for no reason if u jump in a tree or things like that, soo yeah instant ban is not the best idea due to bugs. a feature like Overwatch from csgo or replay system would be a better idea. so the anti cheat team can get more human labor instead of AI and anti cheat systems

How they gonna connect me sending 10 bucks to a friend on paypal to me cheating?

@@austinstuff3780 Because your friend was caught distributing cheats and EVERYONE paid him 10 bucks.

Lmao.

nah, just u bro. Cheating just ruins the fun aspect and the feeling of working on your skills, game knowledge, anything that makes you want to play your favorite game can vanish because of cheaters.

Tarkov community also have a huge fault on that. If you say you saw a cheater on your raid their will comment There's no cheaters on this game. This community is happy having a broken game infested with cheaters.

​@@Marc-th7rzbut unless it s obvious like a speed hcker its impossible to say you have been killed by cheater without other player pov. community are right to say you cant argue 100% cheater. And furthermore people don t like to loose, it s just human behaviour to call for cheater to please your ego. So you shouldnt be blame anyway, because everybody does it.

@@floben3041 So cheaters ghosting into the raids, just looting and occasially head tap someone dont exist? If that man using texture changer, third person and aim is getting banned now after a huge a mount of hours imagine those that just occasionally kill someone. But I agree with you because right now it's impossibly to say because the Dsync problems and some movement exploits.

New accounts is the only way they keep the money flowing, microtransactions could be the saviour

Every cheater that gets banned is a guaranteed sell on a new account.

"keep the playerbase in discomfort"

drugs and hacks are the same thing

The reason it isn't is because of boomers thinking video games are a toy and not a sport, this is why e-sports can never get off the ground seriously because the people investing in it are usually rich boomers who want to make a fuckload of money off of advertising revenue on the entire thing. But they'll shut it down and ridicule the event if it makes them more money.

Following your statement every fps would be dead because cheating can t be stopped, it s an everyday fight, just like cop and drugs dealer. Bsg is doing what they can, you can feel it if you play the game. Less cheater after à cheat détection, more cheater after cheat update , etc...

Same line used by ever political challenger ever. Quit trying to control everything everyone does, nobody can control everyone, and if they could, we'd mutiny. How'd you let that happen on your watch?

​@@floben3041I think the main issue is that in a game like tarkov that is so punishing means that any chance of winning a fight may be a huge deal. When you cheat the odds get fucked and the only people that suffer are the general playerbase... it's the same for other games but at least in those games you can just leave, or a lot of games have report systems that work. All that gear you lose in tsrkov is gear you probably won't get back.

yeah turbo cringe bringing us shame

why does being irish matter in this situation. your country is an islamic state

They already do buy the game again after bans? That’s half the reason you never see BSG post ban lists anymore lmao the 5k accounts they banned last wave at least 3k minimum have already bought a new account from them or a third party site

I vouch they add banning them from trading any items they take out of raid and disable the traders and flea market for them as well. OR make it to where their flea market prices are like 20bill rubles for the listing fee

yeah i really dont get why we dont just start to funnel them in their own servers, econ is already fucked anyway also will be easier to monitor them and they will grovel playing against the same drooling cheaters like themselves all day

That is the most ret3rd3d comment ever seen

nah kinda true@@unhandledhvher

@@kelvinkev1689 it is not bro, how are they Incels, most cheaters are wealthy and have no hate towards women i cheat in games myself lol.

@@unhandledhvherbecause they’re despised by the community, try to constantly justify their negative impact on a community they desperately want to be a part of and impress, and use monetary positioning to justify their poor social standings. Consistently they turn out to be incredibly insecure and toxic people; especially when confronted in the behavior. They lack the ability to take an L and improve themselves, they lack the ability to accept that they won’t always win, and they are willing to hurt others to fake having what they actually desire. They’re just the incels of the gaming community.

@@unhandledhvherso you took offense cause you’re a cheater (loser) lol. Just play the game

huh? How did they sniff this guy out? He is just blatantly cheating on stream lol.

@@Lithane97 re read the comment….

@@Lithane97 I never said this guy they talking about in the video. It was just a general comment and showing my support to verybadscav because he’s actually taking time to make us aware.

​@@StoneyNinjah give it a try now we can view people's profile now amd see there kd

@@flamesign5663 I’ve sussed out 1 so far and he’s been banned xD

shit is no where close to cheap if its cheap, shit gonna be detected in a week

well in UK you can get ban on internet as sentence for trolling etc. id guess you could try to go after cheat makers if they are not registered in safe countries. And you could try to get cheaters themselves denied internet access.

they wont. simple ban means the cheater buys another copy of the game.

@@katharinapeters6710 Yes, BSG buiness model is build on that,

@@MrSaintVehementus Who would have guessed it, but China is actively shutting down these cheat creators... But its just till they find a way to pay off some elected guy...

If I know what im doing it would be near impossible to find out who I really am via me getting banned.

it’s a fake level but okay

probably there will be in the future

@@yusufcanaktas6929 The amount of effort that takes, not likely.. they don't even care about you stealing under 1k.

idk about where you live, but in America this would (thankfully) be impossible. Literally my local target has started locking products because groups of shoplifters are able to come in and steal without consequences.

I mean the problem with that is spoofers/serial randomizers/vpn randomizers for one. Let's say they added something impossible in the ToS, you cheat you pay the company $5,000 for each person you killed/cheat you used etc then was banned access for life and if you tried again law enforcement would confiscate your computer. They would spam scripts to spoof everything they could possibly check to make as many false positives as possible, never played the game before but you had your IP address and hardware serials all tagged by anti-cheat as soon as you installed it.

Ah yes, the "Socio Economic" shop lifters are also present here in Chicago. All wallgreens have locks thanks to them. @@kefpull6676

they aren't nerds. Half the people using these cheats can't differentiate between UDP and TCP. The actual hackers, yeh, they probably know something xD

It's not even like I can blame cheaters anymore, because BSG makes it piss easy to cheat on their games, and they show absolutely zero effort in improving the state of the game other than maps they refuse to optimize, 2-3 new guns every wipe. If all BSG offers as punishment is a slap on the wrist, are they really the ones to blame for cheating?

The simple thing is this: The game has no real "sanity" checks for things like player movement. It has no sanity checks on player variables, movement, and so on. So these cheats work because unless you are reported, you will never even get looked at. BSG had all their anti-cheat eggs in the Unity 2021 basket, and well... that failed. So here we are, with flying players and people hiding under the map. Joy.

If only a "sanity" check was viable. There are too many variables that would trigger a false flag. So every flag would have to be reviewed manually. Depending on the player base of the game, it could be thousands a day. Otherwise everyone would be getting banned due to bugs, lag, latency. The best anti-cheat is devs actively reviewing reports. Reviewing the gameplay. Which doesn't seem to be happening with BSG. Most studios send everything to a anti-cheat company. And those companies don't review footage at all. The game developers need to. Anti-cheat isn't completely useless though. They do catch majority of cheaters. But at the same time, there are things it can never catch. Even though the ones they can't catch are using the same cheat abilities/features as the ones they do catch. You'd think it would be easy to detect blatant cheats, but the reality is that it isn't that simple. It would all make sense if I explained how it all works and how some cheat providers can get away with being "undetected" or how some can never be detected. For obvious reasons, I can't/won't. I can just say that you can't just auto-ban for "sus" behaviors. You can't review every automatic flag for SUS behaviors. There will be way too many false triggers. Anti-cheat does work for most things but it can only do so much. They are constantly updating anti-cheat. The best way to deal with cheaters is a combo of anti-cheat and human observation. Whether that is a moderator/dev actively watching matches, or someone reviewing report footage. We'll see how AI helps combat cheaters in the future. But for now, this is how it is.

@@Lowkey983 Let me give you an example: A couple of years back now, they added a sanity check for players who got disconnected or had network issues (packet loss). It would rubber band them back to their previous location, making it less likely for people to seem to be moving super speed. That is a basic sanity check. So, basic sanity checks: If a player requests to pick up loot, is he in fact within range of the loot? Right away, you can stop people from using remote looting hacks. Another: Check a players movement speed / jump height / weight carry versus his actual actions. Is he running too fast, jumping too high, or carrying way too much weight? Player positioning: On a given map, there are areas that are "air" (think the outdoors in interchange, example, or the roof of the mall, etc). There is also a bottom (lowest point). Does the player exceed maximum or minimum position? Are they routinely positioned below the map floor? You put a whole bunch of points together and create a sort of credibility score, ongoing if you like. Given a player hitting a reasonable level of these in a raid, you start to consider either (a) manual inspection, or (b) tagging him for closer inspection. An example: Let's say you think someone is a loot goblin. So what BSG could do is create a valuable piece of loot (say a GPU or something like that) which actually isn't in a place any player can ever get to, or is in a box / room that can never be opened or accessed in any manner. Anyone who snarfs it and leaves the raid gets tagged for investigation. ... and so on.

Those all exist or have existed in the past. There are "Bait loot" in inaccessible areas of the game. There was a check to prevent speed hacking and fly hacking which was removed in the past year or so. Loot range had no limit and they did limit it as much as they can which is why you see people looting through walls instead of across the map now. Due to many mechanics in the game and not breaking the game, all these seemingly simple things to detect aren't so simple without seeing the footage. With data alone, it's likely a legit player could appear to trigger super speed, clip through a wall, interact with something too far, run further than they should, fly, and the list goes on. It's a issue with server side multiplayer games. Most people, if not everyone, would trigger multiple actions each raid. That's why they try to limit things as much as they can to prevent certain cheats from being possible in the game without breaking the game. I hope that makes sense. I understand what you are saying. It is the most logical solution. It just doesn't work that way. If it did, cheaters would always get detected.

​ @Lowkey983 I have been around this stuff for a very long time (the old man part is very honest), since games were played on paper printing text terminals. The thing you learn is that any one data point can be wrong, incorrect, or misleading, but a broad range of data never lies. You as a player have a range. Your abilities are limited in some ways and will only evolve over time. Yes, Aim Labs is free, but we don't suddenly become super accurate. We get a range of loot on average, we have a normal K/D, and a whole bunch of other numbers exposed and hidden that actual define our abilities as a player. We rarely exceed those values, at least not for long. Someone who goes from "can't hit a band door with a basketball at 3m" to "one taps every scav from 50m" should be a flag in and of itself. In game sanitizing is super important. Through wall looting is a problem still (surprised BSG doesn't have better control of this, especially when loot is in contains and the trigger to open the contain is often crap even when you are right in front of it). Limiting the range did get right of the most annoying cheaters, the vacuum players. But yes, you can look at the loot a player gets against their own average loot over time, as well as the percentages of top loot on a board they have gotten - and how long it took to get it - to figure out if it is even plausible. If someone gets loot from say Oli, IDEA, and all the hidden stashes around Interchange, but is only in game for the minimum it should perhaps trigger a sanity check. Same thing with the level of "loot per minute", not just in dollars but more in number of pieces. There is only so much loot one might see in a few minutes. Another example is on movement. it's not just speed, it's how you got there. If you go from Red Warehouse to ZB-0013 to extract, you had to go over the water in one of, what, 4 ways? If you were HERE, and then THERE, but didn't go through any of those points, then perhaps there is an issue worthy of review. If you spawned at crossroads, and used ZB-011 to extract, but you were only in raid 7 minutes, perhaps that needs to be looked at. Every board in tarkov has choke points, it is the nature of the game. Shoreline? There are only a certain number of ways to get over the river, you have to use one of them. If you never cross that point but start one side than the other, you are probably using fly hacks or teleporting. The real trick with this stuff from what I have learned is that you don't ban people based on what any one server says. You use it to build up a large pool of data on players, and concentrate over time on those who far exceed the norms. An example might be a player who only loads in as a hatchet runner, but always has a big kits within a minute or so. Perhaps it's a streamer getting viewer kits. Or someone who only teams with strangers and then kills them immediately for their kits, etc. It might not be important on a single raid, but over a scope of raids it would stand out. If their average raid time is low, or their loot per minute is too high, or they seem to get from point to point very quickly, over time, that creates data points. Then you get people to watch. The servers do the sanity checks, make sure things make sense, and then they don't they raise a flag. Enough flags, you start looking.

Lawmakers would need to make international register for blacklisting, not gonna happen. Privacy would be main concern and amount of data to steal would bring real hackers.Blocking sites that work outside international law or certain jurisdictions would work, so cheat devs wouldnt try to register their business in turket or emirates to avoid lawsuits. There are plenty of countries that provide safe space for these shits to operate from. Cutting them from internet, blocking from browsers, and having them go to dark web would be a best case scenario.

I think it's a little exaggerated really. The game naturally is very difficult and you can get one tapped without seeing the enemy anyways. I haven't personally encountered an obvious cheater in all the time I've played. The devs aren't doing much about cheaters, but I don't think there's as many as people say.

The only reason you hear only hear about cheaters is cause there's no content to talk about people being legit. You would just be a reaction channel at that point.

@@austinstuff3780 I am not referring to this channel specifically, Even Pestily has made comments on how bad the cheating is

The gene pool over there is fucked what else should you do on an island.

BOTTOOL UF WATAH!

he did say northern irish for his accent.