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In this video we explore Nova Friburgo in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
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@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Watch all our Brazil Videos here: kzfaq.info/sun/PLFIq3fAhPf9_HsZNqcVJ7cliBxYj4-Dbw
@shareonrivas1458
@shareonrivas1458 9 ай бұрын
the movie the boys from brazil was based on facts INSANE!
@theophilusbondo6109
@theophilusbondo6109 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations to you guys for your new remarkable video this week from Rio, Brazil to shows these amazing places in 2023❤❤❤
@giannishen
@giannishen 9 ай бұрын
The first waterfall has strong water flow and looks very suitable for martial arts masters to practice martial arts there. If you hadn't kept mentioning it, it would be hard for me to believe that it's winter there now, and 30 degrees Celsius shouldn't be the temperature it should be in winter, haha. Nova Friburgo is beautiful and seems to have a pleasant climate, really similar to Switzerland. Looking forward to the next episode of Peru, thank you so much for sharing, super great job! 👍🥰🙏
@craigkarimalbasri4317
@craigkarimalbasri4317 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic.....on the list of places to go and see the next time I visit Brazil. Still baffled by Brazilians that want to travel to other countries when they have such a paradise right out their back door. I get it, I do understand....but, having travelled to many countries around the globe....Brazil is still the best and has the most to offer. Other places have beauty, but unfortunately tourists have driven the prices up. Brazil is still the best.....for me.
@christicostigan
@christicostigan 9 ай бұрын
One of the numerous delights of your videos is your music selection. You really nail it. So many channels are instant turn off because of their music selection. From how it fits the locale or scenery to how you blend it in and out of when you're talking so it doesn't drown you out, it's perfect.
@FindYourFree
@FindYourFree 9 ай бұрын
Carol you do not like cold water lol. Thanks for showing us yet another Brazilian paradise. Everyday I kick myself for leaving...Heavenly
@chrisbrown8748
@chrisbrown8748 9 ай бұрын
I’m sending this to my Portuguese teacher because I think this is the place she just visited last weekend and was telling me about.
@juanlima2763
@juanlima2763 9 ай бұрын
Actually, its called the "Switzerland" of Brazil because the first colonizers were swiss immigrants from Fribourg, CH. They brought their traditions and arquitecture, hence the comparison related to that as well. They found the region to share similarities to the Alps region, it also has fresher temperatures, which eased the adaptation.
@BrzozaFederation
@BrzozaFederation 9 ай бұрын
Looks like another part of Brazil we’ll need to visit. When you get back to Brazil, can you visit the Fortaleza area? We will be heading there next year and would be nice to see where you would go.
@daviemcf
@daviemcf 9 ай бұрын
Bonnie Brasil, the mountains are very like the Scottish highlands, loved the views from the cable car, the sculptures were amazing, liked the restaurant and shop. Thanks so much for sharing Chris and Carol, your videos are fantastic, all the best to you both! 👍👍🙏
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
hopefully we can check out the highlands at some point
@J.PitzerDrones
@J.PitzerDrones Ай бұрын
uma pequena curiosidade, o pico da Caledônia tem esse nome devido a dois exploradores ingleses que estiveram no Brasil no século 19 e acharam a montanha muito parecida com algumas da Escócia, por isso batizaram ela com o nome de Caledônia, que era um dos nomes como era chamada a Escócia pelos romanos .
@alessandrooliva7863
@alessandrooliva7863 9 ай бұрын
Realmente Nova Friburgo é maravilhosa, ❤❤❤
@md.mofijulislam9226
@md.mofijulislam9226 9 ай бұрын
Really beautiful all everything 🌹♥️ Thanks a lot
@chrisbrown8748
@chrisbrown8748 9 ай бұрын
24:42 That’s so cool! Your Brazil videos are my absolute favorite but I love all your content so I’m definitely looking forward to seeing Peru through your lens.
@francisnguyen6349
@francisnguyen6349 9 ай бұрын
Switzerland 🇨🇭 is an European 🇪🇺 like Brazil 🇧🇷. Great place.
@sarahmanning525
@sarahmanning525 9 ай бұрын
I enjoyed seeing this interesting part of Brazil going into the lush back country and visiting places not usual to regular tourist destinations. This kind of travel is what I like and you picked a good area to explore. It's never a dull moment watching your videos and I look forward to seeing all of them.
@user-ds7vu1ft5d
@user-ds7vu1ft5d 9 ай бұрын
I’ve got a chronic fear of flying, I literally cannot and will not fly but after binge watching your channel, I’ve actually gone ahead and booked airline tickets for Greece!I’ve realised that life’s too short to not travel! Thanks for inspiring me and possibly even saved my marriage lol. Regards from Aus 👍
@eriklauta
@eriklauta 9 ай бұрын
Totally understand the phobia, I had it also, but so glad you made this decision! You probably already know, but flying is actually one of the safest forms of travel, much safer statistically than even driving your car! There might be a bump or two along the way which might make you a bit nervous but just remember that it is completely normal to have some turbulence, and completely safe also! Have fun!
@user-ds7vu1ft5d
@user-ds7vu1ft5d 9 ай бұрын
@@eriklauta thank you for your advice and you’re absolutely right even though any bump I’ll feel will most likely petrify me lol. I’m hoping to conquer this fear once and for all and visit some awesome places!
@NickyDunn
@NickyDunn 9 ай бұрын
Hiya. Chris and Carol. Shame that the other trail was closed. Beautiful drone footage. Beautiful waterfall. Check you two out running up that hill. Lovely you had a quick dip. The cold water is so good for your skin. Nice views. On the cable car ride. Your food looked tasty. Thank you for the tour around. There is so much I have never seen before. Have a great weekend. Look forward to the next one.
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Cheers! Have a great weekend too nicky :)
@NickyDunn
@NickyDunn 9 ай бұрын
@@JumpingPlaces Thank you
@rserna271
@rserna271 9 ай бұрын
The Switzerland of Brazil without the crazy high prices of Switzerland!!!!
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Yeah i think thats the main reason we haven't been there yet! We will go at some point though
@diarmuidlong5540
@diarmuidlong5540 9 ай бұрын
Great videos Brazil looks stunning safe travels
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@ZOTyoutube247
@ZOTyoutube247 7 ай бұрын
@@JumpingPlacescan I make a suggestion go to Vigan City llocos Sur in The Philippines have you been in that City in the Philippines
@isaacbulay4061
@isaacbulay4061 9 ай бұрын
Very unique! I’ve been to Switzerland however this is like a jungle in the Alps. Awesomeness. 😊
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
It's the jungle version indeed :D
@Weisshoru2910
@Weisshoru2910 2 ай бұрын
It looks like Ticino in Switzerland
@Peace2dagawdz
@Peace2dagawdz 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful 😻 I go to actual Switzerland in December. So Excited!
@man08839
@man08839 9 ай бұрын
Oh really! 👍
@irisessex7863
@irisessex7863 9 ай бұрын
Breathtaking,those aerial views of the mountains, Chris
@Fonerjtelefonia
@Fonerjtelefonia 9 ай бұрын
Que bom ver vocês aqui na minha cidade! Por enquanto é um lugar melhor para morar do que para visitar. Espero um dia que os governantes e empresários invistam mais no potencial turístico da cidade. Temos muito a oferecer. Obrigado por vir e nos mostrar ao mundo. Sejam sempre bem vindos!
@vagnercruz2112
@vagnercruz2112 9 ай бұрын
Que demais! Quando vejo um vídeo novo de vocês, eu venho direto para assistir! Vocês são incríveis.. Super sensíveis na maneira de capturar e transmitir a alma de um lugar! Boa viagem amigos! E muito obrigado!
@IcelandicNativecitywalk
@IcelandicNativecitywalk 9 ай бұрын
Was here march 2018. Thanks for bringing back the sweet memories
@SummerGioia
@SummerGioia 9 ай бұрын
What a wonderful life you have!!! What a beautiful dream!!! Thank you so much for sharing!!! And those sceneries are just stunning!!!!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
@3John16
@3John16 9 ай бұрын
We like your positivity Chris, you are an excellent tour guide.
@mariarosameyer6875
@mariarosameyer6875 9 ай бұрын
When you started your video, the mountains look like «Vercors » here in France in the region of Drome ❤❤❤
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Yes not many people would imagine that Rio has these mountainous areas :D
@johnmullin1188
@johnmullin1188 9 ай бұрын
Wow Switzerland without snow 🤔 you both picked the right time to be up there nice and piecful the weekend will be a madhouse lol🤓 the children running about 💕 you have really smashed that beautiful meal so cheap that meal of yours Chris would cost £30in a place called tomohawks were I live in the north east Caroline hit the jackpot with the accomodation again so cheap wonderful video lol you 2top movie ⭐ s anyway stay safe on your travels all the best John uk 😄
@pikoykoykoy7574
@pikoykoykoy7574 9 ай бұрын
Very nice switzerland. I really like it so much. Can't wait to go there.
@amandamorgado7555
@amandamorgado7555 9 ай бұрын
Hi Carol and Chris, my hubby and I have following your vlog for sometime now. My husband is Portuguese and I’m South African. We live in Switzerland, 50kms from Fribourg. You should come and visit in Winter when it’s snowing, it’s absolutely beautiful 🙂
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Need to head there!
@brigianna4869
@brigianna4869 9 ай бұрын
yay Peru! Can not wait! Brazil is so beautiful❤❤🌹🌹
@ricardotongol567
@ricardotongol567 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experience in Brazil. Enjoy and have fun.😊😊😊😊😊
@sumostorms
@sumostorms 9 ай бұрын
Very nice ! I missed the (swiss) snow 😂 looking forward to the Peru travels!
@jhrahlberg
@jhrahlberg 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Just an hour or two from the classical beaches you something completely different and very beautiful. I am living i Fortaleza which is also sun and beach. Driving an hour or two inland the mountains are so beautiful. Bit no one will ho there 😊.
@johnknox4293
@johnknox4293 9 ай бұрын
the mountains are cool, thanks Chris and Carol
@jackjarczak9420
@jackjarczak9420 9 ай бұрын
Great music selection for the video 👌
@rjeckardt8863
@rjeckardt8863 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful. Thanks so much! Wow, Peru. You'll both enjoy Peru, for sure! No need to mention any of the special spots as I know Carol will be on the search for the greatest of Peru. :) Great time of the year to enjoy it. ~
@brzlnswimmer
@brzlnswimmer 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing my home town in a beautifull way.
@maritkjn505
@maritkjn505 9 ай бұрын
So beautiful. Delicious food, great views and those sculptures was amazing ☺ Really looking forward to see you in Peru. Exciting ☺ Take care you two ♥♥
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@vickig6080
@vickig6080 9 ай бұрын
Spectacular!! Wow had no idea. Terrific video.
@chrisbrown8748
@chrisbrown8748 9 ай бұрын
18:10 Chris is eating my favorite🙌🏽.
@huacamaya119
@huacamaya119 9 ай бұрын
Amazing!!! I always wondered what did it look behind Rio since you see the same scenery of the city right at the coast, but the mountains are right behind it. Spectacular!!
@mufunyiibrahim3655
@mufunyiibrahim3655 9 ай бұрын
MY FAVOURITE CHANNEL. I HAVE LEARNT ALOT ABOUT THE WORLD FROM YOU GUYS. YOUR VIDEOS ARE WELL CREATED
@ayhansimsek8506
@ayhansimsek8506 9 ай бұрын
thanks for sharing it with us.
@kanda__family
@kanda__family 9 ай бұрын
beautiful place guys, as always, thanks!
@nev.paulpere
@nev.paulpere 9 ай бұрын
Chris is time you get your licence too. Nice video,🎉🎉
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately it takes 3 months to get one in Brazil, it's not really possible for us to stay in one single place for 3 months with our current work making travel content. It is annoying because when I got my license in the US it only took me about 2 weeks, super easy and quick there but that was because I was working there at the time.
@nev.paulpere
@nev.paulpere 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post 📯
@cirlenepereira7804
@cirlenepereira7804 2 ай бұрын
I loved this vidéo. From my city ,I misse soo much . I send for all my friendes .I live know in another country I'm soo happy to whacth this video.❤
@loveone8073
@loveone8073 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful place🌿🌿
@sunnybeachwalks4k2022
@sunnybeachwalks4k2022 9 ай бұрын
Nice
@samsg2987
@samsg2987 7 ай бұрын
Interesting my brother in law grandfather was among those swiss, brought to nova Freiburg but they moved to South of Brazil because of better conditions and also other germanic groups was settled there, but I remember my mom talking about that when I was in my teens. Ich wünsche mir, dass ich mit meiner Familie Brasilien besuche und mir diese Orte ansehe. Schade, dass es keinen Film gibt, der über diese mutigen Siedler bei ihren Eroberungen spricht!
@pedrocostasjp
@pedrocostasjp 9 ай бұрын
Muito bom a paisagem , o lugar e muito lindo meus parabens pelo vídeo e pela filmagem top que vcs fizeram muito bom mesmo . Estou seguindo vcs para mais vídeos a sim como esse .
@donstravelsandrants.
@donstravelsandrants. 9 ай бұрын
Super cool.👍😊🇧🇷
@sabrinastraveladventures4263
@sabrinastraveladventures4263 9 ай бұрын
This was really lovely! I’m guessing it never snows over there though 😅 OMG ❤PERU❤ since I was a very young my mom would put Peruvian/ Bolivia music on rainy days I used to day dream about Peru 🇵🇪 I’m working with my physio to get me strong enough to be able to go to Peru and to get cherry on the cake 🍰 Machu Picchu 😊 I am so excited about this you have no idea 🎉 Enjoy I cannot wait for next video now !!!!!👌🏼 Sabrina 🇫🇷🇬🇧
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Its very rare but there has been some snow in the mountainous regions of rio before. But i think only near the peaks, not in the city area. Yes we didn't realize before planning our trip to peru just how hardcore it would be to travel around. The majority of the best places are at high altitude and require a lot of walking. Will be a fun adventure!
@sabrinastraveladventures4263
@sabrinastraveladventures4263 9 ай бұрын
@@JumpingPlaces That’s very interesting 🏔️ I bet it looks very pretty with fresh snow picks too! As you said altitude can be challenging for most people but when you are struggling with ill health it can become too much very quickly and it becomes dangerous in my case so I have to be careful but it is for sure a real dream of mine to visit Peru 🇵🇪 I really hope you guys are coping ok and esp for you Chris I hope you are managing to keep your health issues at bay and able to enjoy this amazing country! Hopefully it is just daring like Nepalese assumption in the Himalayas Take good care of yourselves I hope you have a great time
@man08839
@man08839 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful. 😍 🇵🇰❤🇧🇷✌🏻
@danillopetrova
@danillopetrova 9 ай бұрын
6:10 this reminds of Crash bandicoot 😂😂
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
True haha!
@devwithsoul
@devwithsoul 9 ай бұрын
yay peru next❤️
@Alan-pz3rx
@Alan-pz3rx 2 ай бұрын
You need to visit other cities in the mountainous region of Rio de Janeiro. The Mountain Region of RJ has beautiful small cities, they are: Tranjano de Morais, Santa Maria Madalena, Carmo, Sumidouro (has the largest waterfall in Rio de Janeiro), Duas Barras, the American singer Leny Kravitz bought a beautiful farm in Duas Barras . The city of Sumidouro has the largest waterfall in Rio de Janeiro. You didn't visit Lumiar and São Pedro da Serra in Nova Friburgo. The Mountain Region is considered the safest region in Rio de Janeiro. When you return to Rio, also visit the city of Varre-Sai, the most Italian city in Rio de Janeiro and also the town of Raposo in Itaperuna in the Northwest Region of Rio de Janeior. There is the largest paradise of mineral waters in Rio de Janeiro.
@geralbdt
@geralbdt 9 ай бұрын
Na próxima vez visitem o country clube e os distritos de Lumiar e São Pedro da serra. Além da pedra do cão sentado.
@Leila-ie3ms
@Leila-ie3ms 9 ай бұрын
Would be great to see you in Finland/Sweden/Norway during winter 😊
@Galegolas123
@Galegolas123 9 ай бұрын
You guys need to film this in 4K
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
File sizes are too big, will also be a nightmare trying to upload videos that size while traveling unfortunately.
@Galegolas123
@Galegolas123 9 ай бұрын
@@JumpingPlaces Yeah, totally make sense :( But i really enjoy the way you guys show the places.
@Mars_Life_and_Beings
@Mars_Life_and_Beings 9 ай бұрын
Some of Brazil's prices seem like Switzerland too.
@acrgamer9185
@acrgamer9185 9 ай бұрын
Lindo video
@heliodiasdasilvajunior4339
@heliodiasdasilvajunior4339 Ай бұрын
My city 🇧🇷❤️
@jozah2148
@jozah2148 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Chris and Beautiful Carol for showing us the parts of Brazil we don’t get to see. Make a change from the Favelas and football.🫶🏻🥰🇬🇧
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@magomistico562
@magomistico562 9 ай бұрын
Más no Rio deve está fazendo muito calor nesses dias , a "Suíça" seria melhor em época de Frio .
@galdutro
@galdutro 8 ай бұрын
Did you visited Lumiar? Beto Guedes has a fun nice song about it.
@yassinhadjaissafekhar3828
@yassinhadjaissafekhar3828 9 ай бұрын
Nova Friburgo has been founded by swiss people from Fribourg in Switzerland (obviously) :)
@vinicio3382
@vinicio3382 9 ай бұрын
Depois pesquisa Pedra Azul mg
@barbaraalves5579
@barbaraalves5579 9 ай бұрын
Nossaaaaaa ❤
@jcabralart
@jcabralart 7 ай бұрын
*_Falta pinheiros, o ar condicionado natural no meio das florestas como nas outras cidades serranas do Rio e construções em estilo europeu, esse lugar é MT frio, morei em lugar de neve mas foi o lugar que senti mais frio_*
@anaalvoeiro8123
@anaalvoeiro8123 9 ай бұрын
Boa viagem para o Perú. Vamos com vocês.😊
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Vlw!
@trdrav4
@trdrav4 9 ай бұрын
When will you be able to get your license renewed Chris? Carol's doing all the driving!
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
I can't get a renewal because I got mine in the US. I would have to do it all over again from scratch which would take around 3 months in Brazil. We can't really stay in the same place for 3 months with our current job making travel content so unfortunately I can't get a license again :/. It's annoying because in the US it only took me around 2 weeks to get the license but it expired as it was tied to my US working visa which I dont have anymore
@timsikora826
@timsikora826 9 ай бұрын
Do you guys have to worry about snakes and spiders etc when walking the trails ??
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
We don't think about it much, there will be many spiders probably. Pretty much never see any snakes around though
@Ghost-yd1wb
@Ghost-yd1wb 9 ай бұрын
gostei 🤩
@user-xc2en6tz8o
@user-xc2en6tz8o 4 ай бұрын
Assisti o video e curtir print ❤❤❤
@geraldlumbis4247
@geraldlumbis4247 9 ай бұрын
Looking forward to your Peru videos. Any chance you could add on Bolivia?
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
We plan to head there quickly also :D
@diogosafadao4271
@diogosafadao4271 9 ай бұрын
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@marcosgamerytb5570 9 ай бұрын
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@PauloRoberto-jt1vq
@PauloRoberto-jt1vq 9 ай бұрын
Tooo ❤
@amandasouza3488
@amandasouza3488 9 ай бұрын
Brasil ❤
@kmq4138
@kmq4138 9 ай бұрын
Joia
@lashachokhonelidze2498
@lashachokhonelidze2498 9 ай бұрын
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@maxchernov293 9 ай бұрын
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@landscapedesignmanagement 9 ай бұрын
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@user-xc2en6tz8o 4 ай бұрын
Bom dia tudo bem ❤❤❤
@leandralima2793
@leandralima2793 9 ай бұрын
🎉
@Terry49
@Terry49 9 ай бұрын
👀
@vincentnnyc
@vincentnnyc 9 ай бұрын
can you guys tell us what website you guys use to book hotel everytime you travel to different places/countries?
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
mainly airbnb and booking.com
@keangwooichoo6138
@keangwooichoo6138 9 ай бұрын
Aw too bad. Gate closed
@johnboucher8226
@johnboucher8226 9 ай бұрын
Never seen so much VPL in a youtubre video. Quite frankly im shocked.
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
What is VPL?
@johngrant7696
@johngrant7696 9 ай бұрын
What is the source of the waterfalls? Rain runoff? Snow melt? Natural springs? Lots of water.
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
We figured it must have been from the ground because we were already pretty much at the peak of the mountain and there isn't any rain or snow. Not sure though.
@hewolivia9642
@hewolivia9642 9 ай бұрын
👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌❤Peru
@heikeherbert3683
@heikeherbert3683 9 ай бұрын
Haha those Swiss chocolates cost 1/10th of what they'd cost in Switzerland!💸💸💸BTW I applaud your courage- you wouldn't have gotten me onto that scary cable car for any money in the world 😲! I'm looking forward to your Peruvian adventures- I absolutely love it there! The food 😋😋😋😋👍! The people! And the archaeology! And most of all, the scenery!! You'll have a great time, I'm certain..
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
Cant wait to explore Peru :D
@yorukkizigeziyor
@yorukkizigeziyor 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful place 😊👍
@JumpingPlaces
@JumpingPlaces 9 ай бұрын
It really is!
@drcandor
@drcandor 9 ай бұрын
Easy to see this being a fine place to immigrate. . :>/
@devroombagchus7460
@devroombagchus7460 9 ай бұрын
Sorry. Based on what I saw, I would never rename my country to Little Brazil.
@davejono
@davejono 9 ай бұрын
C4s
@stephendelacruzone
@stephendelacruzone 9 ай бұрын
You're still in Rio but... it doesn't look or feel like Rio. Feels you're in a completely new region or something. 🤔
@ritanogueira3340
@ritanogueira3340 9 ай бұрын
Hunsn
@pierrealexfun
@pierrealexfun 9 ай бұрын
Hello Chris and Carol, as you know a always liked what you show on your video vlog, I’m a prescriber and really got upset when you said the houses and landscape looks like Switzerland, it maybe is better if you just said that Swiss people I migrated to Brazil and therefore they called it little Switzerland. I’m sorry to voice my opinion I just did not want all your viewers to think that switzerland looks like that. Pierre
@geralbdt
@geralbdt 9 ай бұрын
It's tropical but has a cool climate, good houses, clean streets... when it comes to Brazil with so many terrible, very hot and poor places, it's a paradise, it's a tropical Switzerland. Why not?
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