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Honestly couldn't have put it better myself.

Was one of those ingredients by a chance a powedered deer penis?

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Lyg-ma Bal

@@mmyr8ado.360 That name seems like "Lamae Bal" (the first vampire, in the Elder Scrolls lore)

@@ArcaneTuber Entirely possible he IS that same first vampire, history tends to muddle things.

I am more of a Molag Ballin' man myself

OMG there must be a mod for that

That would be amazing especially if he voiced it

I really need to learn how to male npcs. Having a custom dremora chilling in winterhold that tells of his travels through the oblivion realms seems hard tho

Ooh. Something like the storyteller mod for fallout 4. That’d be cool

This was the major dilemma for me that sparked the video. In a way I like the bully aspect. But if you humour the possibility that Coldharbour is Bal's attempt to hold on to his crowning glory, Lyg, rather than a deep longing to be part of Creation, and that mortals aren't valuable beyond being dispensable worker ants to this arrogant god, then my conclusion gives us some potential for discussing Bal's motivation, rather than him just being written off as a jealous cliche bully. But you could be right! And that's the fun

i think you’re being the “semantics police” on this one, and you spelled “Liberator” in your screen name wrong lol

@@DrewmoraYTAll beings desire to become with the original source of their being. For molag Baal, he understands that source to be a fecund chaos mediated by power (or pure “vantage”, overcoming, triumph, “domination”), which means that he must of course worship rape and murder and corruption, rather than restoration and beauty, which according all metaphysical thought (pagan thought, of course, too) is an impossibility. One absorbed in this narrative of power, violence, and exile (remember he desires to be “part” of that original source, which is already power) one can see beauty, of course, but one can never see beauty AS the source, as the origin of all being. You’re absolutely right about the “autochthonic” pathos that pervades the thinking of the gods, but if gods are simply powerful beings, or even if they are “forces”, they are still beings, and in some strange cosmological sense also desire to be enfolded back into the source of their being, which is either absolute identity (the One, Brahman) or absolutely contradiction (Chaos)-both are the truths of each other and are convertible. Both are always absolutely other than the set of all beings, the “not” of all things. In either case, contradiction and the reverberation of identity, or identity and the reverberation of contradiction ring in the most pristine key in both, with the ultimate truth of both being the simple fact of contradiction: the only truth is that there is no truth, the “ground” of beings and stable representation is ultimately a rabid sea of alterity, coincidences of identity in singularities of accidental order, but always accidental, and always the excretions of a writhing, chaotic spring. For molag bal, the answer to nihilism is will to power. That means rape worship, since rape is, after all, a valid expression of the will to power, of desire and nisus. There is no good and evil, only force, only power. Azura is actually more similar to Bal than nah other daedra, since both have recognized the innner truth of being: back and forth, in and out, order and chaos. Where Bal takes on a distinctly Nietzschean key in his cosmological wailing, Azura is more of a pagan, or perhaps a more naive Deleuzean who has lapsed into myth once again (only it is a myth of pseudo-innocence, which has forgotten that even her “dusk and dawn” is also a violent gesture, where one erases the other to have their existence. The sun kills the moon for day, the moon kills the sun for night: they are erased). The elder scrolls universe cannot conceive of true transcendence for precisely this reason. More on this if you wish, but suffice it to say that the elder scrolls is a truly pagan cosmos, truly total, circular, Ouroborosian. It is entirely tragic.

While Molag Bal doesn't treat his subordinate daedra well, his level of sadism towards morals is on a whole other level. His singular focus on possessing and corrupting morals suggests he either see great value in morals or he has special hatred for them. Hate and love are more closely linked than disinterest.

​​​​@@DrewmoraYT I was hoping the writers would give a reason for his jealousy and cruelty towards morals beyond simple sadism. Based on his brief relationship with Vivec and past relationship with a wife, there is something more human about his motivations than initially suggested. Maybe Molag Bal' jealousy is similar to Hircine's jealousy of Y'ffre.

Another interesting thing about the color theme is that his name is Stonefire (think of brimstone as an imagery of the Christian depiction of Hell). I think blue is used to depict his realm because it's a theme associated with blue fire, but it can also be a theme associated with cold weather because maybe because Coldharbour was made to subdue his fire (perhaps by Kyne, Meridia and other Magna Ge ?). By constantly being subdued by Ice he retains the will to always dominate with his Fire (ironically)

@@oghaze9318 or under sea volcanos. like red mountain where the heard of the world resides. maybe molag bal was last kalpa's lorkhan

@@richardhaegeler6858 Lorkhan literally played a part in Molag Bal downfall on Lyg

There's no singular ocean deity in main pantheons because the ocean is the essence of oblivion and a keeper of memory, in particular. Closest representative would be old Herma Mora.

I think there's no oceanic diety because in the mythology of the elder scrolls the ocean doesn't really seem to be treated as a place, oddly enough The sea is where ships go to die, it's what swallows continents and captains

Strongly agree. It’s hard to take wholly Thalmor seriously as ultimate villains in a world where the Sload existed.

@@editorrbr2107 I think it's because the sload are on the virge of extinction

He does it to spite the Gods by dominating their chess board

It's kinda like Nirn is being interacted differently depending who's playing. The mortal races might play it straight like an MMO, the Aedra might go for admin and civ sim and the Daedra might do their own thing and somehow it works out for all in the Aurbis. Molag Bal might be the one that shows off to prove his dominance by approaching his interactions with Nirn differently like being in an empire building sim in Lyg, civ sim through vampirism, dating sim because of that one time, and gacha for the main ES titles.

@@mmyr8ado.360 I would caution you against underestimating the intensity of the lovemaking by brushing off Vivec as "that one time." I'm pretty sure being outside of time because you're a god makes it only being one time irrelevant anyway. Vivec probably rocked his world with they/them godhood.

While Molag Bal doesn't treat his subordinate daedra well, his level of sadism towards morals is on a whole other level. His singular focus on possessing and corrupting morals suggests he either see great value in morals or he has special hatred for them. Hate and love are more closely linked than disinterest. I think there is an untold orgin story out there to explain his hatred towards morals. Maybe it has something to do with his unknown wife that mentioned was in Khajiit myth.

@@OrgusDin I understand, but I have said such to humor those who know about the event and its aftermath and invite interest to those who wonder. I also advise to tread carefully when discussing the different aspects of Vehk. The male aspect is ever-present most of his days, and the female aspect is beyond the present Kalpa. For they I will call them for they wear the secret word CHIM.

Jealousy is just one form of corruption. It’s the corruption of desire. The irony is that Molag Bal is thoroughly fucked up to the point that he recurs on himself. Bal doesn’t need to “support” slavery; he is already slavery. Bal is both a corrupter and corruption. Corruption is not possible without a corrupter, and vice versa. Bal is not the demiurge of corruption either; they co-exist necessarily.

I don’t think the lack of originality is a Molag Bal thing. In ESO (I think it’s a crow in crow’s wood that says this but I may be wrong) they player finds out that the Daedra in general are really bad at creating but really good at mimicking. Basically the reason why Molag Bal mimics lyg is simply because all Daedra are mimicking something.

Its basically the middle finger to Lorkhan

Do you think Molag bal the lord of domination would so easily reward you?

@@sionbell981 It's not just ESO lore, that's from some lore book (there's many of them and I don't have them all memorized by subject yet). IIRC it was in Morrowind and discussing how Daedric armor and weapons are made. paraphrasing the lore: Daedric creations are always imitations of the best on Nirn, but they always look that slightest bit "off" from what a well-balanced weapon would be, for example, and are corrupted imitations of perfection; close enough for the untrained eye, but inferior and poorer than what a perfect mortal creation could be. Pretty sure that book is also in Oblivion and Skyrim, so if you hoard books check for one that talks about forging, I know it also tackled ebony and glass.

Talos is Shor/Shezarr: the empty, cored-out part of Lorkhan. Lorkhan's divine fire lays in his Heart (there is a reason the song Red Diamond says that the Heart laughed in Auriel's face when it was torn from Lorkhan's chest-- in doing so, Auriel created Shor, greatest enemy of Mer), as we all know from the god-like powers the Heart can give, and from the reason Numidium and Akulakhan, both artificial gods, needed the heart of a god, or something close enough to confuse for one (11, the inelegant number; without a witness could you tell Lorkhan's soul apart from Lorkhan's husk? but only one of them is the king, and the other is his shadow.)

No. I prefer how its shown in the mod Vigilant. ESO pisses me off Storywise/Lore wise.

​@@MLPDethDealr32Counterpoint: There is a dialogue that implocates that one of the arch mages of the Mages Guild was fucked by Shegorath

I believe there's one out there , but it's a manimarco vid

The (unofficial) source that lists the towers and their role have then all accounted for, but bare in mind actual official sources have the towers be a lot more flexible and being able to be created and re-created.

Molog Bal seems to lack imagination as most of his creations seem to be either twisted imitations or corruptions of the orginal. Maybe vampirism is an imitation of lycanthropy with the sole intent of mocking Arkay or Meridia.

@@badluck5647 I actually really like that conceptualization, seemingly so arrogant and non creative that he has to resort to plagiarism

He forces mortals to rise to the challenges he sets, to those who succeed he grows a modicum of respect. He reviles weakness. Even in defeat he is often more prone to praise his foe to possess such skill or strength.

Bro what?

Domination is just a nastier word for domestication. See horse and dog, and spare me illusions about them being "your best friend". Last time that I checked, one cannot make the call to put down their "best friend" out of convenience... Oh, wait. Boethia and Mephala advocate just that. Never mind.

"I can fix him"

@@DarkAdonisVyers you put down a dog out of kindness most times. Like you would put down your best friend. Who was suffering or if they asked you to. Domination in the way molag baal does it and how we domesticate animals isn’t comparable. Domestication has a distinct practical purpose, and we are meant to bond with the horse or the dog, it is a symbiotic relationship. We feed and protect the dog, the dog protects us and our house. The horse Carries us and our belongings, we give it a place to live, safe from predators, food and we look after it. Molag Baal dominates things out of no practical need, only to perpetuate more suffering, and because he can, as a display of his power. It’s self indulgent, and serves no purpose beyond this. He doesn’t bond with his charges, He doesn’t look after them He feels no obligation or responsibility towards them There is no quid pro quo between him and them

@@lamontcranston1716 No, in a lot of places, assisted suicide is illegal. As for the rest... Yes, I've heard all of that said as a justification for slavery. Also, whether intentional or not, there are many benefits to being a vampire.

@@DarkAdonisVyers illegality or legality has no bearing on your argument. If your horse breaks it’s leg, you put it down because usually horses cannot stay off of their legs long enough to let it heal. So they’re constantly in pain. If your dog is sick and pain you put it down because it’s kinder. If your friend decides they don’t want live because of the pain, you honour their wish. Medical assistance in dying is a thing. People can have a Do Not Resuscitate order at the hospital. Slavery and domestication of animals are different things. Just because you heard a dumb justification for it, doesn’t make the distinct difference between domestication of animals and what Molag Baal does any less apparent. There are no benefits to being a vampire in elder scrolls beyond surface level. It’s meant to be a corruption of the soul. You take something good, twist it inside out, and turn it to a monster. Molag Baal raped and tortured that woman to create the first vampire hence *“The King of Rape”* he invented rape as a way to corrupt the beginning of life and vampirism became a corruption of death. Also if you wanna be a pure blood vampire You gotta get *raped to death* by Molag Baal in his ritual sooooo yeah. I think you tried a edgy argument without fully understanding what you’re saying here.

Orc, not orca, weird spelling change, though now the idea of orcas worshipping him I can’t get out of my head…

Indeed. As seen in ESO, after his defeat in Coldharbour, he even goes as far as manifesting in Meridia’s realm to congratulate the Vestige. He’s got plenty of oddly appreciative, obsessive quotes regarding the Vestige in his dolmens. “Ah, it’s my unwitting tool. Return to my realm and serve me.” "You've proven your strength. Again." "Bend your knee to me, I'll give you a minion for each enemy you've slain. You will have an army." "My plan comes to fruition, mortal. You serve me now as a vessel of destruction." "Your soul is mine. I own you! Come. Let us play." "Your strength is mine. Come. Serve me." "Your strength will be rewarded. One day." "I forged you in the soulfire of Coldharbour to be my tool. Prove your worth." "I don't want revenge. I want your submission." Even getting personal like a stalker, referring to some of the Vestige’s companions. “Are you still working for the dim one?” "You and Sai Sahan have much in common … except you're not a complete failure." "The Battlemage has the amulet, but you have true power. Fight for me." "Mannimarco was a pawn. You are another. Come. Let's play." And such.

@@sevenheavens-gj9qq Exactly, it's what makes the daedric princes so interesting in ES universe. They have both good and bad blended together. They are not pure good, nor pure evil, they are their own beings with their own wills and desires, and the same can be said for the divines as well. Akatosh is time, but also the end of time, Dibella isn't just love and hanky panky, but also art, and beauty, Zenithar can be the willy merchant, or the honest benefactor. Sheogorath, is he the mad god of insanity, or is Jyggalag? Heck on the note of Sheogorath, we all claim to love him and "he's just a silly guy", but he is horrifying on how his whims can torture and kill so many for his own amusement that seemingly had no purpose or motive.

If Molag Bal sees morals as so insignificant, then why is there such an obsession with dominating them?

@Bad Luck it's not domination of them that is so important as it is spiting other deities. The whole vampirism is a perfect example. How does making vampires help him outside of spitting in Akays face?

@@badluck5647 boredom, spite and just what he quite literally is is the domination of others. if you view crops and animals we harvest as insignificant compared to you, why do you seek to control what they do and how they grow? if you view ants as insignificant bugs, why are they killed when they're in your home? domination has nothing to do with the view of others as insignificant or important, merely that it exists and you are above it.

@@death299Your metaphors don't make sense. I like to eat beef, but I don't hunt down cows to mutilate them. I don't want ants in my house, so I don't capture them in order to torture them in my home. Clearly, Bal's active pursuit of mortals over animals or daedra shows he sees significance in mortals.

@@badluck5647 and how precisely do you get that beef? you don't "hunt" them, you keep them in cages subjugated to your will until they die prematurely for your consumption/use do you leave ants and other pests to wander around your home and property freely?, or do you engage in pest control and kill them when they trespass? but pray tell, do you think hunters and slave owners view(d) those they hunt and enslave as their equals? tf are you talking about? bal is constantly torturing and trying to conquer other deadra and princes you not understanding the metaphor doesn't make it bad, it just means you missed the point entirely, esp given how you act like you don't hunt and mutilate animals lol

Molag Bal is pretty much an in universe incarnation of murder hobo players with a concerning amount of sex mods in their modlist