Pbv 302 in Ukraine | A resurrection or second chance to die?

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We are investigating the Pansarbandvagn 302, the old-school armoured infantry fighting vehicle that goes to a new type of war. #ifv #armouredvehicle #pbv302
What are the features of the Pbv 302?
Does the Pbv 302 have a chance in the war in Ukraine?
Is the Pbv 302 being reborn for fighting or glorious but unavoidable death?
Have kamikaze drones and unmanned aerial vehicles changed modern warfare entirely?
00:00 Introduction
01:18 Programme history
02:42 Survivability
03:44 Firepower
05:01 Mobility
06:18 Variants & derivatives (Stridsledningspansarbandvagn 3021 - Stripbv 3021 / Eldledningspansarbandvagn 3022 - Epbv 3022 / Batteriplatspansarbandvagn 3023 - Bplpbv 3023 / Radiolänkpansarbandvagn 3024 - Rlpbv 3024 / Pjäsrekognoseringspansarbandvagn 3025 - Pjrekpbv 3025 / Sjuktransportpansarbandvagn 3026 - Sjuktppbv 3026 / Bärgningsbandvagn 82 - Bgbv 82 / Brobandvagn 941 - Brobv 941 / Infanterikanonvagn 91 - Ikv 91)
07:25 Specifications
08:12 Analysis
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@WeaponDetective Ай бұрын

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@tasman006 Ай бұрын

Well as an older IFV it still will be able to do the job of taking infantry to the frontline. The question is should it remain on the frontline and give support since it is a, though older IFV is more capable than lets say a M113 APC as well as the dutch YPR765. So at least Ukraine will have something to continue the fight with. Its better than nothing. Though to be truthful there will be some losses as said. That is war but I'm sure it will do a better job than most APCs.

@jurajkolnik7335 Ай бұрын

All you who critize it for not being an IFV: Ukraine is in a situation where they have to use vehicles like HUSKY TSVs as IFVs, amx-10RCs as MBTs and civilian pickup trucks as if they were APCs. Also take note that it is much better armoured than the M113, it is amphibious and has a 20mm cannon. A truly valuable addition to Ukraine's arsenal.

@MiguelJimenez-hc7ch Ай бұрын

It is best used only for defensive actions and for ambush tactics .

@christianpethukov8155 Ай бұрын

I assumed it was roughly equivalent to the M113.

@gopnik9967 Ай бұрын

and over 200 of them will be delivered, which is huge, the numbers going is enough to make a localized difference, better than a fucking pickup

@satanihelvetet Ай бұрын

@@gopnik9967 There is about 180-200 stored, but it's assumed that it can be delivered about 140 well working vehicles and the rest will be donaters for spare parts.

@rogerc6533 Ай бұрын

Better than whatever the British have given them

@MatsGarage Ай бұрын

200 armored vehicles that can be put into "non hot" zones to free up more capable vehicles is great. But if a PBV302 would face off against a BMP3 or T-72 it would of course not do so great. But if you have to ride in a PBV302 or a non armored vehicle I think most soldiers would pick the 302.

@ronaldotrumph8960 Ай бұрын

How often does that actually happen? Tank engagements are rare in Ukraine as well as BMP3. The majority of IFV are BMP 1 & 2. Both can be penetrated with a 20mm from all sides. Not saying it will outperform anything, but it will also not go under.

@user-vf9pb5oc6m Ай бұрын

Most of their "more capable vehicles" have been destroyed already.

@robertklimczak5630 Ай бұрын

@@user-vf9pb5oc6mnie .nie większość ale są straty . To wojna pelnoskalowa a pancerz jest po to by personel miał szansę wsiąść do nowego pojazdu po zniszczeniu tego w którym byli ostatnio.. większość nowych pojazdów na Ukrainie pracuje w ciężkich warunkach. Rosyjskie są bardziej podatne na likwidację swojego petsonelu we razie porażenia... Osobiście patrzę jak zachowuje się personel podczas walki. Jak siedzą na zewnątrz pojazdu ,na dachu to pojazd już jest hm muzealny.

@robertklimczak5630 Ай бұрын

@@user-vf9pb5oc6mpowinneś spojrzeć na ilość używanych pojazdów po obu stronach Ukraina ma mniej opancerzonych od rosji i jej pojazdy ciężej pracują by nadrobić przewagę rosji. Rosja traci bardzo dużo opancerzonych. Wydaje się że właśnie szybciej zabraknie rosji bwp niż czołgów. Straty Rosjanie mają prawie codziennie około 30/40 to znaczy że miesięcznie około tysiąc. A nie wszystkie zmagazynowane pod chmurką nadają się na odnowienie i wprowadzenie do walki.

@matsv201 Ай бұрын

They would probobly be paired with a Leopard or at least a CV90 or a bradley with ATGM missiles Also the 302 would protect against pretty much all weapons apart form direct hits from artillery or large caliber guns. Considering that most munition flying around the battle field is either grenade fragments or small caliber bullets.

@markusoswe Ай бұрын

It's a taxi that doesn't require roads. It can carry 2000kg of supplies. You can't cut a supply line if it's not a line. Destroying a bridge only slows it down. It's amphibious.

@TheSergeantWaffle Ай бұрын

A resurrection or second chance to die? I say a 20mm autocannon is still a 20mm autocannon.

@NikolaosKorelis Ай бұрын

And a drone is still a drone no one said that it is under gunded

@StromBugSlayer Ай бұрын

Not stabilized though.

@HJJ135 Ай бұрын

Every IFV in Ukraine can be destroyed by a drone, so that is not relevant. Both sides still uses BMPs

@murhapuro86 Ай бұрын

@@NikolaosKorelis a drone cannot deploy troops.

@NikolaosKorelis Ай бұрын

@@murhapuro86 check the staring comment for context

@artycat0811 Ай бұрын

Perfect for supplies, command/tech, ambulance etc....doesn't have to be making frontline breakthrus to be useful.

@paxundpeace9970 Ай бұрын

It 20mm armor is above Level 3 Nato designation.

@xifel72 26 күн бұрын

As someone who spent some time in the ambulance version of it... it is not a nice ambulance. But anything is better than soft skin

@cearny7856 Ай бұрын

The amphibious using tracks part seems to be the more interesting feature, and also it sounds more armored than the M113, which already make a difference. It’ll be a good up-armed APC

@theblacktemplars2483 Ай бұрын

As a swede i must give my full respect for learning Å Ä Ö. I salute you o7

@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone Ай бұрын

Sweden took an M113 and used it as blueprint. The goal was to make a vehicle that had better armor and performance than the M113. The PBV302 would prove to have better armor than the M113, better offroad capability and better firepower. Today, Ukraine uses M113s effectively in assaults against Russian trenches. You tell me if the PBV302 is outdated in Ukraine 😊 Also, it was designed to have acceptable protection against the 84mm HEAT rounds of the Carl Gustaf. The Carl Gustaf easily rips apart BMP1s and BMP2s. In former Yugoslavia, 3 PBV302s survived direct hits from ATGMs, others took hits from RPGs. No dead Swedish soldiers. But sure... only a battle taxi.

@satanihelvetet Ай бұрын

I'm not convinced that use of the M113 for assault in the Russian-Ukrainian war can be descrbed as effective and successful.

@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone Ай бұрын

@@satanihelvetetdespite numerous videos showing the M113 driving up to Russian positions? We even have video of an M113 following a CV90 up to Russian trenches

@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone Ай бұрын

I mean, Ukraine uses the M113 to attack positions. The M113 is older than the PBV302. Both Ukraine and Russia uses the BMP1 to attack positions. The BMP1 was introduced the year after the PBV302. Im just saying

@Silver_Prussian Ай бұрын

The m113 has proved to be ineffective as armoured vehicle that can provide any meaningful cover on the battlefield. Its easily targeted by drones which rip through its thin armour.

@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone Ай бұрын

@@Silver_Prussian so why does Ukraine keep using it? Because they have a choice?

@tommiterava5955 Ай бұрын

This vehicle can still serve as an APC but definitely not as an IFV.

@74Darkman Ай бұрын

Noone has ever stated that it will? It's an old school APC. Great for transport.

@frankbock211 Ай бұрын

@@74Darkman😂😂😂😂😂

@DaReaperZ Ай бұрын

Definitely. If the cannon is to be used, it would have to be only in very special situations. Otherwise, it's supposed to bring troops to and from the battlefield in a somewhat safer way.

@Belenor Ай бұрын

Listen to the expert.

@74Darkman Ай бұрын

@@frankbock211 What's so funny? Ukraine requested similar vehicles and they were happy to get these as i understand it. Hardly any worse than the MT-LB that the russians use that are about the same era APCs. I was just saying that it is extremely obvious that the Pbv 302 won't be used as "front vehicles" as in fighting anything. Great at transporting troops, with "ok" armour (shrapnel and sub 20mm ammo).

@warwarneverchanges4937 Ай бұрын

Any protection is better than no protection and the offroad capability is exellent, Anything is better than going in with a car. We have seen both old and new wehicles on both sides of the current conflict going up in flames in mass.

@wolfyys Ай бұрын

Any weapon is better than no weapon; Ukraine doesn't have the luxury of choosing what weapons it will fight with, some are even forced to use softskinned vehicles.

@stephen9869 Ай бұрын

And extra armour and a cage could be added.

@satanihelvetet Ай бұрын

Good video and I agree of most of the facts and argues. However... At 4.00 it's said that the cannon has an elevation angle between -10 to +50 degrees. The true fact is that maximum elevetion is 35 degrees. At 4.04 it's said that the cyclic rate of fire is 500 r/min. Fact says 480 r/min. At 4.07 it's told about the feeding. That's correct fact for the early version, but in the first upgrading both belt feeding, 10 round box magazines (for de AP round) and the ammunition was abandoned for a new multi purpose (half AP/HE) round fed from 30 r box magazines.

@WeaponDetective Ай бұрын

Thanks for your contributions. We took our info from mainly the Jane's. May we ask what is your source? We can use it in our next videos.

@vicolin6126 Ай бұрын

@@WeaponDetective You can also take a look at the youtube channel belonging to the Swedish tank museum "Arsenalen". They have vidoes in English too, or at least with Eng subtitles. They made a few videos on the Pbv 302.

@2whostruckjohn Ай бұрын

The summer bog and winter snow performance suggests the Pbv 302 might be very useful in rasputitsa conditions.

@habahan4257 Ай бұрын

It is the cutest IFV ever. Only you are questioning the success of UAVs. Good analysis. Thanks.

@Masterafro999 Ай бұрын

Nah! It's face reminds me of Roz from Monsters Inc 😂 look how far apart it's headlights are. And that pike nose. There are better pics my friend 😂😅

@habahan4257 Ай бұрын

@@Masterafro999 Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, my friend. 😁

@Masterafro999 Ай бұрын

@@habahan4257 The grasp of such wisdom is a privilege bestowed upon only a discerning few. 🐢🐼

@Fiatmannen1 Ай бұрын

I drove one when I did my service in sweden 1991. Easy vehicle to manouver and fun.

@guaposneeze Ай бұрын

Classic "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" scenario. A useful vehicle that carries a weapon and has thick enough armor to survive splinters from artillery that doesn't land too close. Sounds way better than having to walk. Ukraine can also potentially add things like ERA blocks or alternate weapons.

@matso3856 Ай бұрын

If you add ERA blocks , it might get too heavy to float though

@Peter-up9yw Ай бұрын

@@matso3856 It was just a s suggested possibility. Good white-boarding exerciise - throw up as many ideas as possible, without discounting any until all ideas presented. Then narrow down the possibilities by selective elimination. The outcome(s) will often be sound possibilities.

@ulfpe Ай бұрын

Each thing at its place, it hard to claim that these will turn the tide but one can say the same for allmost any weapon system. Quantity is a quality in itself..

@74Darkman Ай бұрын

No, these will make a very small bonus. It's just an armoured personell carrier...not meant for fighting (even if it has the 20mm gun).

@ilf5788 Ай бұрын

quantity is not a quality in itself, a fleet of useless vehicles will end up causing more problems than they fix. however I understand where your coming from ,Ukraine needs vehicles, especially ones similar to this so their gonna take what they can get.

@meanmanturbo Ай бұрын

Calling it an IFV might be bit of a stretch, in Swedish this is a pansarbandvagn rather then a stridsfordon like the CV90. I guess it stradles the line between apc and ifv with the autocannon and protection from some smaller autocannons sort of makes it just count as an IFV. In Swedish military nomeclature, the pbv302 belongs together with m113 and mtlb club and not with the CV90 though.

@Gustavj0321 Ай бұрын

The bmp1 in swedish service was also called pansarbandvagn

@meanmanturbo Ай бұрын

@@Gustavj0321 I actually thought about the pbv 501. From what little I know, they where supposed to be used for the previously soft skin only infantry brigades where the cv90s where for the mechanized brigades. The pbv501/bmp1 were supposed to be used like battelfiled taxis with focus on the dissmounts and during exercises where they tried to use the pbv501/bmp1 offensively like an IFV it failed pretty bad. So I guess is primarily a doctrinal issue if you call it pansarbandvagn or stridsfordon.

@maghambor Ай бұрын

@@meanmanturbo When Sweden got their hands on the BMP’s as part of its purchase of German Leopard 2’s, they issued them to infantry battalions thus upgrading their level of protection and firepower, while the new CV90 mk I went to the armoured battalions.

@ILikeDoritos456 Ай бұрын

It beats walking. And having an armored box is better than no armored box.

@littlejimmy7402 Ай бұрын

I bet the Swedish heater works consistently. I good heater in a tracked vehicle makes winter operations kind of bearable. I used to heat up my MREs in my launchers heater vents, it worked really well.

@SuperChodot Ай бұрын

Looks like M113 rebuild using BTR50 part 😂 Honestly any kind of armor still much better than walking.

@maghambor Ай бұрын

According to another video, in English by a Swedish tank museum, they purchased an M113 to test before settling on the pbv 302.

@mauricio-wq5lu Ай бұрын

It would be good for civilian camping needs as an RV.

@ibuprofen_ Ай бұрын

It has much better protection than the M113

@StromBugSlayer Ай бұрын

It has better armor than an M113 and is amphibious.

@moimeme4840 Ай бұрын

@SuperChodot Iam sure that is better than a motorcycle with a cope cage

@GeneralGayJay Ай бұрын

And it’s a damn handsome little apc ❤

@carljohanrydberg357 Ай бұрын

Well if you have the option of going to the front in a PBV 302 or a truck...

@maghambor Ай бұрын

It seems they have about 180-200 of these, so it's a sizeable contribution that could be enough for 4-5 battalions (10 units in each infantry company, 4 infantry companies per battalion), which is the equivalent of a brigade. Mix in a tank company in each battalion, and this could perhaps even be enough for two small brigades. And let's face it, Russia is fielding weapons and equipment that outdate even the PBV 302. It'll have an impact, for sure, but like with most other weapons donated, it won't be a game-changer.

@TB-zf7we Ай бұрын

UA command should distribute these "battle taxies" to their Marine Brigades so as to leverage the vehicles amphibious capabilities which were not mentioned in this analysis.

@KorbenDalasCZ Ай бұрын

@@TB-zf7we Although it is amphibious, it is not suitable for the sea, only for crossing a river or lake. Ukraine has BMP-1 and BMP-2 both are amphibious, BTR-4 as well, so does BTR-82 and they have the same cruising speed, they are not used for amphibious operations either, for crossing the river it is good but only out of contact with the enemy, on water is a slow target. Even in the Soviet doctrine for the mechanized army, the amphibious crossing of a water obstacle with a BMP is only out of contact with the enemy and only there when a bridge cannot be built quickly.

@TB-zf7we Ай бұрын

@@KorbenDalasCZ Yes I agree, only for Lakes or Rivers, like the Dnipro.

@KorbenDalasCZ Ай бұрын

@@TB-zf7we Yes, but there is no need for it in places where they will not be threatened, and in the Cherson region they would have to cross a river that Russia can see and they would be in big danger. They have a bridge in Zaporizhia and it is not under the control of Russia, so it is pointless to use swimming there. Generally, swimming with a combat vehicle or APC is used if you control both banks and there is no bridge available, this situation is not common in Ukraine. Rather smaller rivers in the north where there would be a very short section. This vehicle is more for rear deployment these days. But I am afraid that the Ukrainian army will use them in the front line because they have nothing else, they drive in pickup trucks and MRAPs, and they are also destroyed by drones.

@TB-zf7we Ай бұрын

@@KorbenDalasCZ UA Marines have a small bridgehead in the village of Krynki across from Kherson, which is a long way South of the Zaporizhzhia dam/bridge. The Marines have already been using a few versions of the BV-206 that they received to swim supplies/wounded across and yes there have been loses due to drones.

@limer.6355 Ай бұрын

it may not be the best, but it was very loved in the times it was new

@Tounushi Ай бұрын

As long as it protects against light arms fire and shrapnel, and that it has available spare parts, it's a viable military vehicle.

@Brendissimo1 Ай бұрын

I don't see how this is any worse than a BMP-1, which is being widely used as a frontline IFV by both sides without "disastrous results." If anything, this is better, because it is roomier and more mobile and has an autocannon. I think you use way too much hyperbole and are a bit out of touch with what roles vehicles are actually playing on the battlefield in Ukraine.

@antonstepanov488 Ай бұрын

These are also more reliable, better protected.

@GnosticAtheist Ай бұрын

If it moves it can be used. They even fortify regular cars for transport, so having an already fortified veihicle with 20mm on it is a no-brainer. Sure, its not frontline, but most of the war is logistics.

@akersjon278 Ай бұрын

What would you choose, riding to the frontline in the open bed of a Toyota Hilux, or inside a Pbv302...? I say they may be old, but if used correctly as battle taxis, ambulances and as transports between the rear and the contact line only, I think they can be a nice asset. Even on today's battlefield...

@metmask3825 Ай бұрын

Rekognoseringspansarbandvagn 😂 thanks for trying to say it out loud.

@rasmuswittsell10 Ай бұрын

Yes, that is hard even for a Swede.

@DaReaperZ Ай бұрын

This video has an easy answer. If the M113 was useful in anyway, then the PBV 302 will be as well.

@martinsmith9054 Ай бұрын

With the addendum that while being similar, it's better than the M113. Spare parts might an Achilles Heel.

@DaReaperZ Ай бұрын

@@martinsmith9054 True, although if alm vehicles are donated and partially used for spare parts they might last long enough. But it's a fair point. Time to start thinking about upping IFV production in Europe

@martinsmith9054 Ай бұрын

@@DaReaperZ I think the whole spectrum is needed in modern war for different tasks. MRAP's, APC's and IFV's.

@DaReaperZ Ай бұрын

@@martinsmith9054 I agree, the PBV 302 will serve its purpose, even if it's outdated and perhaps difficult to repair and maintain.

@martinsmith9054 Ай бұрын

@@DaReaperZ at this point in the conflict any tracked armored chassis is useful for either side. An anti FPV drone canopy is probably more important than the latest fashionable bling.

@RandomGuy9 Ай бұрын

To be fair. Modern vehicles like the the BTR82s also die from drones and mines. They will end up the same way. Drive to front shoot a bit drive on mine or get hit by drone and then get abandoned.

@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Ай бұрын

It was a wonderful video about the pbv302 infantry armor vehicles designed by Sweden in the last decade 🇸🇪 and recently delivered to Ukraine 🇺🇦. Video clearly explained all characteristics of that weapon and its historical backgrounds...thank you 🙏( weapon detective 🕵️‍♂️) channel. Thank you for sharing

@doprisi Ай бұрын

The stand off armor does not increase its protection against shaped charged anti tank threats, its against projectiles

@74Darkman Ай бұрын

It's an APC from the mid 60's. It is used for transports...Pretty much all modern AT-weapons will penetrate it. But it's not intended for fighting either. Still 10 times better protection than driving soldiers around in trucks etc.

@GarrisonFall Ай бұрын

I'm impressed with this first video I've seen from this channel. One concern though - please consider not linking death with glory, ie "glorious death". Even when said in irony, it seems wrong. Apart from my personal cringe, a very interesting, informative and well presented video. Thanks!

@user-it8oj1by3x Ай бұрын

Looks like a decent piece of old tech...ahead of its time in its time IMHO. Pity about maintenance issues.

@frankhilmar7847 Ай бұрын

According to Oryx, Ukraine has lost almost 400 AFVs, more than 900 IFVs and almost 500 APCs - plenty of these were 1960 - 1970 vintage models. Sweden supplying 180 units will be a welcome sight for the Ukranian armed forces. Their survivability cant be much worse than a M113 or a BMP1. Beggars cant be choosers.

@scepticalwalker3984 Ай бұрын

Their numbers are still good compared to the over 16,000 armored vehicles (including over 3,000 mbt) russia lost according to the same source.

@JeffGordon-ph4vz Ай бұрын

@@scepticalwalker3984oryx double counts Russian vehicles losses, miscounts Ukrainian losses for russian, and uses photos that are very hard to tell. They have been caught screwing up things many times. Weeb Union has a good video on it called Oryx Exposed i would send a link but KZfaq deletes links as spam.

@kiereluurs1243 Ай бұрын

@@JeffGordon-ph4vzOryx may still be the best source anyway. But, didn't they stop?

@Peter-up9yw Ай бұрын

This list (according to ORYX) only includes confirmed, destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Russia - Total Hardware and Tank losses in Ukraine since 24 february 2022 Total - 16,422, of which destroyed: 11,835, damaged: 745, abandoned: 935, captured: 2,907 Tanks - 3,137, of which destroyed: 2,118, damaged: 157, abandoned: 346, captured: 516 Ukraine - Total Hardware and Tank losses in Ukraine since 24 february 2022 Total - 5,963, of which: destroyed: 4,184, damaged: 507, abandoned: 254, captured: 1,018 Tanks - 846, of which destroyed: 576, damaged: 71, abandoned: 65, captured: 134

@oldphart-zc3jz Ай бұрын

It's more APC than IFV, but to be fair the entire APC idea was a mistake for the simple reason their mobility COERCES use as an IFV. Tracked mobility is always useful and people who expect everything with tracks to be an MBT or a Namer are clueless and should be ignored. Not a bad system which if used wisely should serve well.

@petrsukenik9266 Ай бұрын

Well thats not completly true. Most armies use both APCs and IFVs, depending on unit requiremens.

@Peter-up9yw Ай бұрын

@@petrsukenik9266 The issue, I believe #oldphart-zc3jz was alluding to is when certaiin militaries attempt to convert APC's, inappropriately into IFV's. A purpose for which they were not originally intended.

@stephenbrand5661 Ай бұрын

At a time when the Russians are using Chinese golf carts and dirt bikes to move their front line troops, these will be another welcomed addition.

@Silver_Prussian Ай бұрын

Except that we are talking about a small unit that needs to perform a specific task quick, here we talk about providing a thin metal box on tracks to serve as meaningful cover and protection from enemy fire.

@Red0100 Ай бұрын

@@Silver_Prussianmate, it's not much worse than the BMP2 and other vintage shit Russia uses as standard kit.

@Test4Echos Ай бұрын

@@Red0100 And still Russia is winning with its "shit". How come?

@Silver_Prussian Ай бұрын

@@Red0100 vintage like the abrams which is over 40 years old or the leopard which is also 40 years old or the f16 that came out in 1978. Or what about the recent new a out the supply of mirage 2000 which is equally old or as you said vintage. The marder for examples made in the 1959 still in service with the bundeswehr. So whos using vintage weapon ?

@Red0100 Ай бұрын

@@Test4Echos at the amazing rate of two towns per year? By this rate there will be nobody left alive in Russia to see any sort of victory.

@alvarvillalongamarch3894 Ай бұрын

Great contribution,as an ambulance,ammunition supply,and troop transport.Sounds much better than the alluminium m113 that can't stop much incomming,and certainly better than riding a Btr or an Bmp...Everything helps.Thanks to Sweden!

@vicolin6126 Ай бұрын

Very impressive that you managed to say all the Swedish names in their full glory, *clap clap*. Small correction1: The cannons used to be belt fed, but this was later changed on all of them to make them cartridge fed. Small correction2: The PBV 302 is more of an APC than IFV. It was meant to carry troops into battle and then stay to support them with the cannon. Ukraine will probably make the most use out of these bad-boys as battle taxis and armored ambulances. A vehicle not for the modern front-line, but more for the rear.

@kentnilsson465 Ай бұрын

As a platoon they were to dismount and fight with firesupport from the Pbv 302 but in cooperation with tanks on attack they were supposed to fight inside the Pbv 302 and fire from the top. And this is how even the CV90 is used, they also have hatches on the top that open so the troops can fire from the inside on attack

@robertsolomielke5134 Ай бұрын

Yes, the 20 mm belt feed from it's fighter jet daddy. It is now magazine fed, quicker in a rush, or easier to transport ammo around under fire. This makes it a more adult version of the M113 . Sometimes I wonder if the US will ever run out of the million M2 Brownings 50, or will they just be there in 3034.

@tetsu2sweden Ай бұрын

Its true, I was a gunner/driver on the PBV3022 in the 90’s. The belt feed mechanism had been removed by then; You had instead 10 30-round magazines made of thick steel, weighing 27 kg fully loaded, which you had to one-arm curl from the floor into the magazine well on your right. That made me realize why the physical strength requirements was higher for the gunner/driver than for the dismounts, even though we where “just sitting in a seat”.

@robertsolomielke5134 Ай бұрын

@@tetsu2sweden Thank you for reply, as we need more service people to give their thoughts on the aspects of being there. My service was in 3 -PPCLI , as a cadet from a small town, which was more likely to survive in a post-nuclear war scenario . The TOW was brand new then , and the 3 man team means 6-8 cadets since we really were kids, and TY to uncle Regen , NATO had the tools to effectively burn Soviet armor. The APC of the time for us was the MOWAG- LAV in the 6x6 version, amphibious , with the Cadilac -gage, 1 man turret, 1 Browning .50 cal +a Browning .30 cal. so no wrestling with a 27 Kg (58 lb.)magazine. I was not an armored troop, but had some play time on the LAV. I learned later all the 6x6 versions went to Africa as defense aid, inc. the 76 mm fire support version....the most heavily armed model at that time. The PBV3022 would be a better Vagon in all terms, but for speed/stealth as the wheeled LAV was a hot rod with 80 kph. easy on roads.

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@cwf_media9200 Ай бұрын

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@cyberarchitect9280 Ай бұрын

Those names man.....if I wouldn't know the Swedish I I would thought you just performed an insane rap song. I loved the video so much. I'm curious to see their performance in Ukraine

@wiktorberski9272 Ай бұрын

Really interesting vehicle. And in fact the whole family of vehicles

@arvypolanco Ай бұрын

From what I understand, the 302's intended tactic was to charge a position and support the infantry alongside them. Looking at its design, it makes sense that the turret is placed so forward, its position, combined with the frontal angle of the armor, allows it to fire downwards into a trench from relatively up close.

@johanmetreus1268 Ай бұрын

no, almost all Swedish vehicles has good gun depression due to the Swedish terrain, mostly hills that often are covered by forest With the infantry dismounted the pbv 302 stays behind the group, providing fire support. When part of an armoured attack, the mounted infantry protects the vehicle through the hatches and provides support to the tanks.

@Cyruz66 Ай бұрын

The American 113 have done well in Ukraine .The Swedish PBV 302 is from same eara but its more protected than 113 so why not send it to Ukraine

@arvypolanco Ай бұрын

Despite the tanks initial mixed success, its game-changing potential was quickly understood. So too it is for drones today. We are in the experimentation phase, figuring out which tactics and strategies work. However the war in Ukraine turns out, the lessons learned from it will influence warfare for the next 100 years.

@HJJ135 Ай бұрын

In the war we see assaults by Humvees and motorbikes maybe speed is more important in this war. However if you want to move in deep Ukrainian mud a tracked vehicle is the only option.

@EkaZZ Ай бұрын

Old Swedish equipment was built diffrent. There's a reason why it was used for so long. Very reliable, simple to repair often not in need of special parts or fragile electronics.

@angmori172 Ай бұрын

Considering the problems with medevac in near-peer battles, I think battlefield taxis and medevac will be it's best role

@robertsolomielke5134 Ай бұрын

Yes, TY Sweden. These in clumps can be great for ambulance, supply, mail, anything to and from the frontline, but not on it please. Like MT-LB 's need tracks for bad weather, and no roads.

@kentnilsson465 Ай бұрын

Its not an IFV, more like an upgraded APC. Compared to the M-113, I would say this is better, better armour, mobility and weapons. Its also pretty easy to keep working if you follow the maintenance schedule( have no idea how it compares to the M-113 in this regard). Its not an IFV but maybe it could be used in an assault role if accompanied by proper IFVs. As for the UAV thing, they will have their place but for every effective weapon comes a countermeasure and Im sure that there will be one in 5 years for UAVs as well, at least when it comes to the kamikaze drones. Armoured vehicles will be fitted with weapons and radars against them in just a few years. Recon drones are another matter as well as the large UAVs with ATGW like the MQ-1/3s

@xman7211 Ай бұрын

Sweden 🇸🇪⭐👍💪👊

@HibikiKano Ай бұрын

These are way better than any van Ukraine uses in some areas to evacuate people or drive critical supplies around. If Ukraine accepts them, then I am sure they found a role for them. They accepted the antiquated M55s tanks, and found a role for them. They took the vastly under armoured Valuk/Pandur 2 and even the M80a BVP. They didn't take them because they are great, but because they had a use for them. Would it be better if Ukraine has just 1 system for each role, of course. But this is what is available. Some is amazing, some is quite dated. But Russia has the same problems, with their systmes spanning from WW2 trucks to the latest and greatest Russia can still produce.

@Peter-up9yw Ай бұрын

Agree with your comment and have supported it. Also, many of these machines are relatively easy to source parts for (Volvo-Penta (Pbv 302) and Detroit V series (M113) engines) and also easier to work on than some of the later more sophisticated machines.

@HibikiKano Ай бұрын

@@Peter-up9yw exactly. The US also kept their Humvees after the JLTVs were adopted. They just gave them less intensive roles. Slovenia donated their Humvees to Ukraine, because they dont need that many of those support vehicles of that class after JLTVs came.

@Peter-up9yw Ай бұрын

@@HibikiKano 👍

@apathtrampledbydeer8446 Ай бұрын

Definately better than nothing. The M113's have been useful for the Ukranians and both sides use BMP1's that are almost as old as the PBV's. I've only seen the PBV's close by when I did my conscriptions service, but I've read that it is much beloved by their crews. The modern battlefield is not what we thought it would be like as the use of drones has changed everything, like you mentioned. There are no wonder weapons and no clear winning tactics.

@pelleban Ай бұрын

I did my military service in one. It is meant as transport of troops protecting from small arms fire and has 20 mm cannon vs infantry. It has that job to do and does it well. People play to much war thunder.

@michaelberger6699 29 күн бұрын

DAMN!! These are perfect for last mile logistics!!!!

@stephen9869 Ай бұрын

Just add additional armour and a cage maybe?

@squiggles5640 Ай бұрын

despite the slightly larger gun this is just an m113 with a swedish accent a far cry from an ifv it will serve well as a battle taxi, not a frontline slugger

@74Darkman Ай бұрын

Which is the whole purpose of an APC.

@bombardierboerboels Ай бұрын

I would have one in the barn make a good back up vehicle for bug out

@pickinthatbanjo Ай бұрын

It's much better than a BRDM, it's marginally better than an M113. Ukraine uses both so having a better vehicle than either would be accepted I'd imagine.

@ruriksukhoi8514 Ай бұрын

Protects infantry from sharpnel and small arms fire. Nothing more needed.

@joonahautala8196 Ай бұрын

It's still going to provide more mobility and protection than using Honda, so it's a plus.

@thomashorstedt3059 14 күн бұрын

i think they will be used as APC instead of pickups. they will come to use in winter time. Perfect in snow and mudd..

@KauppaKomissaari Ай бұрын

Today im waiting to see some field mods

@zentran2690 Ай бұрын

I can't believe I never ever have seen this AFV in my life.

@89volvowithlazers Ай бұрын

They look like they would be really solid supply/ammo carriers. They shld be in Warno with W Ger units or in Regiments or maybe Wargame or shld be

@sibbolo9204 Ай бұрын

easy could match and be superior to BTR BMP2 IFv... plus could be usefull as second line all terrain helper. So great add to Ukraine army inventory.

@Erik_Taurus Ай бұрын

Does anyone know if the Arsenalen - Swedish Tank Museum (Sveriges försvarsfordonsmuseum) PBV 302 Vehicle number 204442 belong to the same regiment as the PBV 302 shown at 3:54 with vehicle number 204499 ?

@tottorookokkoroo5318 Ай бұрын

Kinda strange to citicise pbv 302 for being outdated when both sides are using tons of vehicles as old and with comparable features on the front lines and have used since the start of the war. Seems to me that its roughly equivalent to bmp-2.

@mattiasdahlstrom2024 Ай бұрын

As long as it runs - which can be an issue with old vehicles.

@davidcronfalk8389 Ай бұрын

@@mattiasdahlstrom2024 Its basically a tractor, runs well, works hard and is actually quite simple to maintain. I did my military service on this in 2000-2001.

@nattygsbord Ай бұрын

Given that the russian BMPs lacks gun depression would I say that this one is prolly better

@smidefix8147 20 күн бұрын

if the pbvs can save some lives geting soldiers from A to B its a win. will they be any "good" in service? depends on when and where and how they will be used i guess,.

@jsundb02 26 күн бұрын

Well done pronouncing the Swedish vehicle names!!!

@BraindeadCRY Ай бұрын

If its better protected and has better offroad ability than a van then it has a place in the fight.

@patrickganote7231 Ай бұрын

Old APCs like the PVB 302 and the M113s sent by the United States and other NATO nations although outdated are still extremely useful for casualty evac and transport of soldiers and supplies to the front line

@Peter-up9yw Ай бұрын

Most certainly better than ruZZian "Scooby Doo vans" and motor-cycles with side-cars.

@suntiger745 27 күн бұрын

I suspect the Pbv302 will serve in the same role the donated M113s do; transport and medevac between forward positions and the frontlines. It's not meant to attack anything, just being able to bite back if something attacks it while it's doing transport duty.

@scepticalwalker3984 Ай бұрын

Better armor than the BMP 1-2

@M.M.83-U Ай бұрын

As an APC it's still fine.

@angmori172 Ай бұрын

Your Swedish pronunciations are impressive

@Nick-rs5if 16 күн бұрын

I can see the 302 making for an excellent drone carrier. 😮

@samolofsson2401 Ай бұрын

It's better then nothing it can move in mud unlike Pick up and vans it's protected against small arms up to 12.7mm on the sides, every vehicle in Ukrain is vulnerable to drones but i rather be in the PBV then a unarmoured vehicle

@wst8340 Ай бұрын

As long it goes in reverse,its perfect.

@Erik_123 Ай бұрын

Any sense on how many will be donated?

@aandersson650 Ай бұрын

200 are in storage and the goal was to donate the whole inventory. Some are old UN service vehicles and most if not all have stood in storage for 20+ years. Some will likely be saved for museums so expect 100+

@Erik_123 Ай бұрын

@@aandersson650 Thank you! 100 is a helpful amount

@maghambor Ай бұрын

It's not entirely clear just how many Sweden's got, but the ballpark figure seems to be 180-200 roughly. Given that Russia is using weapons from the same era, this contribution isn't anything to scoff at.

@Gibnetz Ай бұрын

They don`t use belts for the 20mm ammo annymore, they use box of 30 rounds 20 mm.

@soulsoulsoul634 Ай бұрын

even if they were all turned into ambulances and armored resupply they would still be usefull

@nietkees6906 Ай бұрын

I think the biggest problem would be finding ammo for its autocannon. It is an old caliber that is not produced anymore.

@kentnilsson465 Ай бұрын

I think thats a minor problem, I expect Sweden to have tons and tons of ammo since the cold war sitting in storage since they were never(almost) used in combat

@nietkees6906 Ай бұрын

@@kentnilsson465 I doubt it. Ammo expires and can be decomissioned.

@einar8019 Ай бұрын

@@nietkees6906 the swedish army still uses the same ammo in the sisu xa-203

@nietkees6906 Ай бұрын

@@einar8019 I didn’t know that. Thank you for sharing. That is good news.

@rangda_prime Ай бұрын

It's an excellent APC, not an IFV. It can protect against shrapnel, small arms fire and according to actual combat experience in former Yugoslavia also Russian made RPGs. No modern APC can survive tank gun fire or modern ATGMs. It's not worse than the BMP class vehicles used by both Russia and Ukraine in the ongoing conflict. I assume we will naturally refit the delivered vehicles with spall liners for crew and passenger survival, which is a vital part of armoured vehicles as we have seen, and especially important for Ukraine given its lower population. I think it will be useful. Not as useful as Bradleys and CV90s by far, but it is far better than no vehicles at all. If for nothing else it can run supplies, act as an ambulance and deliver troops to and from the line of engagement. Also, its good performance in mud means it will be more effective at these roles during the very muddy spring and autumn seasons in Ukraine. Everything in war adds up to produce actual combat power and it's not all about better guns and heavy armour. The Pbv 302 will add to Ukraine's combat power and I'm happy my country is supplying these along with the modern CV90.

@jan-olofharnvall8760 Ай бұрын

Are they being armed with the original 20 mm AKAN? (Automatic canon).

@lindahl01 Ай бұрын

Sort of. they are now fed from 30 round Magazines, not belts. And the ammunition is HE/AP so no need to change ammo between targets (In the old versions an AP round had to be fired from a mag so belts had to be disconnected when fighting armor.) The new ammo is better from another standpoint too. The original guns/ammo combo armed the projectiles less than a meter from the muzzle meaning that if you fired and there was a branch ahead, the round would go off over your own guys heads if you were unlucky.

@scepticalwalker3984 Ай бұрын

It is an APC, not an IFV. Sweden always used it as an APC.

@c-row66 Ай бұрын

Ukraine getting that VHS-era good stuff.

@tomtrick7051 21 күн бұрын

Better than russian Betamax 😂😂😂

@RundFyrkant 19 күн бұрын

Crude but effective 😊

@HayMaker-tv2dm 26 күн бұрын

Much better than the M113! Better protected, better mobility and to be honest in every single aspect, i think they will be a great hardware for the UAF. Its a good utilitary vehicle for troop manouver and supplying close to the front the UAF, and actually the PbV can sustain a hit from MG fire or mortar splinters even a KPV at 1000mt will not penetrate the PBV 302 and this baby can carry their own 20mm cannon or a .50 cal. Is a great utilitary vehicle, should have been a sucess for such a great iron. Europe needs to develop a new medium HVC cannon in the 15.3x110mm range calibre using the Hispano suiza 20x110mm cartridge neck down to accept a 15mm projectile, the PBV have a good cannon but Europe needs a better cannon then a .50cal Browning with more then 100 years, even Serbia have one of the best HMG the M87 the inspiration for the Russians produce the Kord 12.7mm HMG

@rantanplan178 Ай бұрын

Huhu Boxer can be destroyed too, so let's taxi in my old Lada. Great logic....

@petter5721 26 күн бұрын

PBV302 is an APC, not an IFV! It is possible to mount two machine-guns at the sides operated by the soldiers. Could be useful against drones.

@gurra63able Ай бұрын

As necessary medical transport close behind the front line or as a posting guard vehicle, it is perfectly fine, but otherwise no.

@well-blazeredman6187 Ай бұрын

What a diffucult Equipment Support job the Ukrainian G4 must have.

@hansericsson7058 Ай бұрын

I wouldnt recommend to use it in the hottest part or at the front, but as a casevac or battletaxi. Ok

@stephen9869 Ай бұрын

Wait for the comments from the games console generals 🙄

@richsmith7200 22 күн бұрын

Of course they're safe, they're Swedish. I miss my old Volvo...

@mnk9073 Ай бұрын

Having an IVF/APC is better than not having an IFV/APC but realistically they willl perform just like all the others from BMP-whatever to M113: Driven manned and commanded by the greenest of conscripts, poorly if at all maintained and sooner or later blown up by either mine or drone. It's a long lost cause, tho only variable is when they call it.