I'm in the exact same place as you, I use both webflow and wordpress depending on the needs of the project.

Awesome 👍

Both, easier than coding from scratch. Oxygen, Webflow & Elementor worth mastering and why not?!

Started yesterday, and I am amazed. Knowing the basics of CSS, HTML and classes structure, it is super easy to build with great semantic. The drawback is that the free version is poor, so I will have to spend a few bucks to build my first project there.

I have, it's okay but too limited for my taste. It's great for really simple and static websites though. @05:00 Re: Difficulty ====================== I disagree, the webflow editor was dirt simple for me, much simple than elemnator. It largely depends on your background. If you are a coder, you will have no issue with Webflow or Oxygen. @07:56 Re: Terrible Code ====================== All page builders will generate terrible code. The difference is a difference of degrees. They do save you time though. @08:50 Re: Costs ====================== The cost is not the only issue I have with Webflow's payment plans, it's all the limitations that comes with said plans, I mean you can get a basic WP site up and running for as low as 3 bucks MO (which is good enough for simple projects), it's just an unnecessary cost with not a whole lot . I do use and love Oxygen builder but I have no intentions of switching to Webflow, I actually understand the WP codebase well enough for me to able to customize it as I see fit. Also, there are many one click installers for WP at most hosts. So getting wordpress hosting is hassle free at this point. It's an ancient piece of software, so you will always find integration for it.

Hey dude, I'll release another skillshare course when I can. In the meantime if you leave me your email via the link in the description I'll send you an email with more details when I manage to release it 👍

Natively that's true. However with external tools like wized.com that is built specifically for Webflow, along with webflows api recently becoming a little more open, it's possible to do a lot more than you'd think. The cost is slightly subjective. Clients of a decent size just don't care about paying a little extra for managed hosting each month. But like you say, if you have the skill to make things yourself, it's probably not going to change the way you work. I use it largely because of how much faster I can develop sites using it 👍

Awesome 🙂 Thanks Tim 👍

Haha I don't mean to pick on dog walking businesses. I'd love that job. In terms of booking and payments this might be of some use to you university.webflow.com/integrations-type/calendars-and-scheduling. These are external integrations for booking. In terms of restaurants an OpenTable integration I'd imagine makes sense. Hope that helps dude, I'll do some videos on this kind of thing at some point 👍

yea i also want to build website for massage studio that consumer can booking massage and pay . but i don't know how to start .

Because WordPress is much much CHEAPER! And... Wordpress with a good page builder produces neat and tidy code as well and is much less of a steep learning curve.

Yeah their pricing has always been confusing. Basically if you’re creating Websites for clients, you as the developer will probably want the “Freelancer” workspace plan. This allows you to create the website on your account and when it’s complete you can transfer over to your client who will need a hosting plan. Which hosting plan they need will depend whether you’re using the Webflow CMS. If you need to do additional work on your clients site your client can allow you access by adding you to their account as a guest for free. Hope that helps 👍🏻

@@sam-harrison It helps a ton. Thank you very much.

Webflow allows you to create a blog via its CMS. The only reason against Webflow it’s CMS item limit which effectively means 10k blog articles maximum. However, you’d need to blog 10 times a week, every week for 20 years to hit that limit by which time the internet may look very different by then. Also you have the ability to export your blogs away in csv format if ever you wanted. However Wordpress is definitely the cheaper option on a budget. Hope that helps 👍🏻

Definitely 👍 the the free plan allows you two projects with a .io domain

Since there's no plugin ecosystem there's no vulnerability when it comes to plugins and you can use 2 factor authentication for logins. Webflow not being open source is a benefit when it comes to security. More details here if you're interested 👍 webflow.com/blog/webflow-builds-security-into-design

It has a form builder but that particular function isn't possible natively. Although likely possible using zapier 👍

Or Make

Webflow are currently working on the options for this and if watch their quarterly updates on youtube they go into this.

@@raikane3 Is there a recent video where they go into the GDPR topic?

It's an extremely complicated topic and only legal professionals can really help. Although GDPR laws are positive on paper in protecting user data, the implementation of these laws are terrible. The vast majority of websites on the Internet both webflow or wordpress are most likely not fully compliant. Even the use of Google fonts now have to be self hosted to be compliant which a vast number of websites won't have changed. One thing you can do is use an external form collection like formspark.io

Since, my use case would be the CRM with webflow, for my EU / German clients this is an absolute deal breaker. And since Webflow has been aware of this for years and obviously don't care, I put Weblow on the back burner which is sad. I just re-built my own website with the container feature of Elementor (still in alpha state, though) but I LOOOOOOOVE it! Maybe Webflow will surprise me some day in the 2030ies ;) with servers in the EU but until then, not an option.

It's a difficult one. I've seen some sources say it is gdpr compliant despite the us data centre and I've seen some say it's definitely not. The truth is so many websites are breaking the law in some small way. There are so many huge crm's that don't even have a EU data centre. It's a ridiculous implementation of what was a well intended law. Btw that elementor container might eventually come out of beta in the 2030s also haha 👍 But jokes aside I'd watch out since elementor updates are notorious for breaking sites especially if you're using something not released. Bricks builder is looking like they'll dethrone elementor at some point. I'm playing around with it at the moment, it's pretty good!

If you have experience with Oxygen you'll love Webflow dude. There will be times you'll run into certain limitations but there's a lot of extended functionality from developers such as @finsweet. Oxygen probably won't have the following it could have done sadly which is a huge shame. A lot of prominent oxygen users are eyeing up bricks builder. Also you're absolutely right the Webflow community is very supportive 👍

Thanks dude!

Hi Fredeline, it very much depends on what features the template has and how you plan on exporting it over to WordPress. You loose control of anything cms based but a static website will work fine and you don't need to continue paying for Webflow if you don't want to. Just be aware you're then only able to update it manually within WordPress and lose any webflow features 👍

Hey dude, this course specifically tackles developing a complete website with a blog and then going live with it. If you've taken the first two you may or may not need this one necessarily. But it does have some updated methods in how to use Webflow since the tool has had some new features since that course was created 👍

My advice would be to take a look at Webflow templates and try and recreate them for practice. Also webflow has brilliant tuition videos for free. I also have released a course that gives you a process of how to work with Webflow too just incase you were interested 👍

@@sam-harrison Thank you sam

​​​@@sam-harrisonThat's just badly biased advice bro. 😢

In what way?

What kinda stupid tutorials have you been following till now?

Hey Manny, you can, but.... I would double check the ecommerce plans before using webflow to make sure it's the right fit for you. In all honesty, Webflow ecommerce isn't as good as other solutions at the moment. It might be fine for you, but there are payment gateway limitations, product variant limitations due to cms item limits etc. Just be wary of this to make sure this isn't a problem for you. Shopify is hard to beat at the moment 👍

@@sam-harrison Sam You r the best, but I was leaning toward Elementor Cloud. What do you think?

Thanks dude 👍 I don't really use elementor tbh and if you like the look of Webflow, bricks builder might be a better option. But I'm sure any of the main page builders that make use of woocommerce will get the job done for you 👍

Well I guess I have to mention I've just released a comprehensive course on how to use webflow lol flowlibrary.io/webflow-mastery-course 👍 just in case you're interested in learning more!

You're right, forget everything I said. Wix for the win lol

My point is that you're not locked into the platform. So yeaaa...it is true 😉

Are the things I’m saying in this video untrue? If so which parts? Also, I love bricks builder for Wordpress and currently planning a course for that too 😊

​@@sam-harrisonthere was the part regarding price. I felt that to be very biased as you mentioned that even though WebFlow is much more expensive than Wordpress, you can get higher paying clients etc... this part was very biased. In fact, I felt your whole video was very biased to WebFlow. I'm a 22 years enterprise architect of cross platform mobile and previously web, SQL DBA and back office and now micro services developer. I've also been CTO of several companies. There are also some other untruths too, like learning WebFlow is easier. Not it's not. And I'm a full OOPL developer. I can code anyone backwards. The last time I looked at WebFlow, all I could see was the tie in, because even if you decide to export your site away from WebFlow, you'll be left with just static code and a database that doesn't hook up to it. With wordpress, it you decide to stop using a particular theme or switch themes, you'll still have all your code and content hooked up. So it's a no for Web Flow for me and yeah, sorry, although going into your video open minded, the impression and opinions you gave were not unbiased.