I meant 22 years, not 32 lol fixed now

We've all been there. When I look back now on how many sites we did for low costs and services that we gave for free, it makes your gut churn, because it's a lot of potential value.

22 years. You are a legend sir!

Similar here Big Doug! Took a few years off web designing but started mid 90s.

Similar boat but on the systems architecture / maint / troubleshooting / networking / cloud/ general consulting side. I can't code, but I'm working in changing that 😂. I think my official job title is Systems Engineer, failing that, Solutions Engineer. Anyway. I've made the same mistake man.. On the bright side, we saw the light sooner than later... We have a duty to share that info. Don't beat yourself up about it / don't try get a semi accurate idea of how much was left per deal/quarter/y.. It's material, and it was simply due to not having X experiance / knowledge. You've probably broke even on whatever losses there were, without even knowing about it :) Rather focus that energy on being mindful of thinking and stick to your Check List + update it weekly / as you work on a project. I helped a friend increase his labour rates by about 30% , with 2-3wks notice to his clients. (IT consulting/support/maint/network design/etc). He was simply charging too little for the quality of his work. None of his clients left, I've become mindful of it. I also charge 50% of the 1y savings & 25% of the 2nd year. I might do 50 and 50 due to increased overall risk on my part.. This is semi passive income to a degree, but it lets them know you have faith in your work, and will be around to get that 2nd paycheck in 2y time. It's not perfect, but what is... 2I can save a client on X business grade product. 5y back I saw I could move a brand new client to their own hosting (volume) plan and aswell as making paper notes as I work on a project (using the updated notes from the previous project)

Absolutely, and if even if they cut back on any items, then you still get what you wanted for the items they did select and it makes (I hope) your task easier.

Indeed, you have to account for the Taxes. We have the client pay for their own licenses, so there is no obligation for us to maintain them. Geography, working methods/lifestyle/overheads all play a part.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Exactly! They always gasp when you tell them the price as if they expected a website to be built for $50

Well done! Once you gain the confidence to ask, you will slowly increase your return.

A very good point

Thanks Henk. Always adjust the prices to reflect your area/niche.

A good point. I do try to factor in extra time or I make clear how much time the website should take and if that time extends due to their content etc or issues then the cost may go up.

No problem 👍

They can pay for it themselves so that all renewal costs are on their plate

Awesome. This might help you more: websquadron.co.uk/how-to-start-a-web-design-business/

Indeed, the time to research keywords is included as well; see this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fZtddpaGt5vNm4k.html

We have out set price and the analogy I'll make is that some Engineers would charge a full hour just for turning on a switch. Even with a blueprint, and extra time to muddle through other plugins and settings, PS that time can include adding images, cropping, scaling etc. and future proofs for any unforeseen costs too. It saves me giving away time for free.

That could be a good way yes. And you can even set it to use a % for the payment to be made as well.

Thank you 😊

We did a big Rank Math video a while ago and the last 20 mins of that covered the SEO of our home page. Also we did a SEMRUSH video too.

We just put on hold when needed but will charge extra if it wasn’t scheduled or wasn’t reasonable to be delayed. A project like this would take about 6 days. We built 3 directory websites in 8 days so it’s mainly around the prep, content ready, plan of presentation

SEMRUSH for keywords.

Not used that

Yup

I think I mentioned it in the video (I think) and that would be a separate cost as in this example - the client had all of their content ready,

@@websquadron Yeah you did, it was just a bit easy to miss. For me that is the number 1 thing I need to make clear to clients. Often they just assume you will do it otherwise :)

@@wpeasy Very - very true!

It's a starting point, and the price will go up when more effort is required :)

Alternate Hosting means another type of hosting as they currently used Wix, and we would need to move them elsewhere.

You could advertise as a site that you built and reach out to people that are inside of that niche, and show what you can. But it's so painful when this happens.

I know!!!! Hehe :)

Tricky because the Fiverr market don’t want breakdowns unless you package it that way so package 1 v package 2 v package 3 and that’s where you define the extras

@@websquadron thank you, I’m going to do just that

Yup. We also ask them to add us to their account so we have permission to set up the connections, etc.

Discovery Calls cost £120 per hour.

@@websquadron Definitely! Got it!

I am based in the Philippines, but all our clients are in Australia and New Zealand. Those figures are a little heavier than what we charge, but our overheads are lower. We quote on a paid for time basis of 200 AUD (110.00 GBP) per hour. BTW, Charging these rates, have as much work as we care to take on.

@@barryscottormoc Totally understand that. A bit of pushback I would give is that it's always easier to bring the price down (if needed) than to increase it. And, in general, if you're dealing with clients in geo areas that can afford it (ie. US, GB, AUS, etc.), I feel you should charge as much as you can. Just my perspective from having undercharged for the past 3 years.

It’s a 6 day project and based on the average UK market works out fine.

It's just example prices not based on a specific geographical location.