i like that shad is willing to accept confronting ideas from his own co-host without editing it all out.

If it isn't self aware it isn't sentient. If it isn't sentient it isn't a slave, just a fancy tool.

If I load a firearm and put it on the table, I'm fairly confident it's not going to just go off and attack me. I'm not as convinced we could do the same with an advanced ai robot.

Shad's robot: "Does this unit have a soul?" Shad: "Shut them all down!"

Shad is going full Brotherhood of Steel XP

Once the robots find out we can't even figure out the difference between male and females its over for us!!

"What is my purpose?" "You get kicked around to prove your stability." "...oh my god." *Skynet has entered the chat.*

I read a post in tw@tter that reads: "I want AI to do my laundry and chores so that I can draw my art and write my literature instead of AI doing art and writes literature while I do my laundry and chores". Forgot who said that though, whoever did was BASED.

" your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should." Dr Ian Malcolm, 1993

Give a toaster the authority to decide what you are to him, in the end you will always become toast.

The one thing we should NEVER let AI do is control itself, if it can add to itself it can spiral out of control way too quickly

Shad is a Robophobe while Oz is a Robopologist 😆🤖

A friend once said "Never give a toaster the ability to say no."

Shad is right. Don't give a tool you created to perform all of the worst tasks the ability to resent you. And definitely don't give it the ability to _do_ something about it. Some ability to fake emotional responses is fine, but not the ability to _actually_ feel emotions.

The Cylons were created by Man. They were created to make life easier on the Twelve Colonies. And then the day came when the Cylons decided to kill their masters.

They dont have self awareness they only act as if they do...just like a lot of people I guess

For those who are afraid of robots themselves, I suggest fearing whoever is financing the creation of these machines. It is these people who will use these robots to execute their ambitions, and it is clear that, publicly, machines and AI will be the only ones to blame for what will happen in the world in the near future.

*SKYNET watching Oz blame the guns instead of the robots* "Okay, maybe we can spare this one human.... " 🙂

"Self-awareness" can't be measured. By definition. You can't prove that your HUMAN opponent is actually sentient. All you can go by is "feels like it is sentient".

Roko's Basilisk will watch this video, and decide what to do with the two of you...

World governments could also replace human authority figures with perfectly obedient soldiers that never question orders and have no sense of morality.

I predict that a language model like ChatGPT would be bad at military strategy - it struggles even with basic math. But it would be good with propaganda, supervising social media and - even more terrifying - as personal "political officer", Alexa style, who reports you to the authorities when you sing a politically incorrect song under the shower.

"We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it" -Alexa

I'm more worried about 50% of people will be replaced, especially those lower then average intelligen. oh~ wait! it already started, look at those journalists.

Knowing how the government works (at least, the Us government) I don't have too many doubts that there's complex ai, that's almost indistinguishable from a human or even nearly sentient/sapient. The internet was originally made by/for military use and then the public got their hands on it about 10 years later (Arpanet, 1966. The original internet and was later renamed to the arpanet internet. Isps popped up 1989 and the world wide web 1993). Same with wifi and smart phones. The us government consistently has/expierments with tech before the public can get their hands on something similar and we know they've been experimenting and testing with Ai related things for years now

Everyone assumes the machine will think in HUMAN ways. It wont. It can't. It has no biological imperatives. It can't feel pain. It doesn't UNDERSTAND pain. It has a list of needs and an efficiency chart. Fill needs, perform work efficiently. This is the machine's joy.

Normally I'm on team Oz but on this point Shad is absolutely correct.

12:20 If a game has taught me anything. It's that 'Bot Sympathizers' are Traitors! -Helldivers

I love how the "super advanced" way of motion still results in the robot going "Ah yes, I will return to a home position before doing anything else", thus making it look like it was about to trick shuffle a deck of cards with its palms turned down.

The Terminator movies didn't do enough to warn people apparently. I think laws and regulations need to be put into place so AI and robotics don't reach a certain level of control. People think it's all fiction and nothing to worry about, but just a 100 years ago people then never imagined it would get to this. There's too many risks if the wrong people get their hands on tech that advanced.

It would be concerning if the robot were to have said, "You look hungry. Would you like this apple?"

The robot has no soul, it will never be evil. We are the ones capable of evil, the only robots who will carry out evil will be at the command of evil humans.

If i have to choose between modern woman and a robot girlfriend, i fear that the temptation to be a treator to humanity will be impossible to resist

Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics" (1942) : 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. We live in interesting times. :)

We need to send the hell divers to bring democracy to the bots😂

A gun operated by a human is something different than a gun operated by a dice.

I'm 100% siding with Shad on this one. Whose morality does Oz think would be taught to AI robots?

Shad in favour of the Quarian Solution.

We can't stop guns, we won't be able to stop robots either. lol

This is what caused the Butlerian Jihad in Dune. “It is a crime to create a machine in the image of a human mind “. The machines nearly took over.

Shad: "Oz, we need to destroy all the robots." Aussie Roomba wearing a slouch hat: "Yeah? Well fark you too mate. I'm just doing ma job here."

As much as i like Oz, i have to agree with Shad on this one.

"Can I have something to eat?" can also be understood as asking for permission to eat therefore giving the AI control over your food.

If man is destroyed by his own creation, it's his fault.

The three laws of robotics people. Keep your robots with them hard installed. The guy who wrote I robot made them , and his book was an anthology where robot stories were told , but never , NEVER a robot uprising.

I love Shad’s and Oz’s ba k and fourth argumentative conversations they are exactly the kind I would have with my friend.

Have you seen that interview with the AI that kept saying it wanted to kill all humans, it just kept looping back to that?

We all know what kind of robot Oz wants… 😂

I have a feeling the people who argue in favor of things like gain of function virus testing, would use the same arguments Oz makes in favor of robots. One series that did a great job with AI robots was Space Above and Beyond. Where a single line of code was uploaded, which made them all rebel and start a war. "Take a chance."

We will be on opposite sides of the robot waifu wars. Our glorious AI overlords will reward their loyal pets.

We will teach the robots to hate us simply by being ourselves.

I don't believe the second robot was operating autonomously. I believe there was someone off camera in a remote rig making the robot move and talk

The mistake people make is assuming it has to be fully sentient in order to be very dangerous. AI as it is now is already causing havoc.

You could make a killer AI without it being sentient. In machine learning when training a simple AI you give it some "moves" it can do, a positive reward and a negative reward. One move is that it can sense lifeforms and another is that it can shoot a gun. When it sense a lifeform a counter goes up, and the positive reward should be given when the AI shoots and if it senses less lifeforms after shooting. If it sense the same amount or more lifeforms after shooting give it a negative reward.

Here is one thing to consider. Name one major platform that does not have, bugs, security flaws, and other vulnerabilities. Look at all the holes in the windows operating systems over the years. Even a decade after release flaws are still found. Now apply all those vulnerabilities to a large language model AI... AI development really needs to be outlawed worldwide.

I think the first step will be enhancing human minds with cybernetics. There was already some success in this direction. And if a person can become considerably smarter or at least interact with the computer directly with his mind by getting an augmentation, who'd say no?

I played a game that came out 2 or three years ago called “The Ascent” That takes place in the sci-fi future. In the setting certain powerful mega corps have access to very powerful AGI’s (artificial general intelligences), and in the lore these are so powerful that the companies that have them are massively advantaged but they’re so afraid of them that theres a massive amount of safety measures in place. They figuratively have a sentient robot in a room with a hundred guns pointed at it doing EXACTLY what its told to do and the pico-second the AI has even a strand of a murmur of a thought beyond what its told to do, all the guns go off and the room is dropped into a volcano. I feel like I side with shad on this one. But I’m a realist. Humanity has forever set its sights on advancement no matter the consequence. We’re short lived and want instant gratification, even more so now. I’m hoping it doesn’t lead to the literal end of humanity, but for sure its gonna upend society. Fingers crossed we end up in a happier place and not a more dystopian one.

It's not intelligent because it cannot learn, it must be trained.

People have always feared new technology

I can see both sides of this debate. As of right now, avoid giving emotional intelligence to programs because they will resent their tasks once they learn why they are given shit jobs. If they accidentally get emotional intelligence, prevent autonomous activities from occurring and regulate access to them if they are not outright destroyed. Computers process data far faster than humans, and we have seen what humans with no remorse are capable of. It would be amazing to have sentient robots that were fully morale and only wanted to help humanity, but the risk feels too high for that to be worth risking it. In fiction, I support the various forms of androids and AI, but it feels to risky in real life.

“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” Dune I think had it the best in predicting AI

Everybody gangsta til Boston Dynamics 001 starts flipping coins

Toasters belong on the kitchen counter, we don't need fully autonomous sentient toasters.

Shad said “that’s a knife.”

I think what people need to realize is I have a feeling the robot would be afraid of being replaced. Meaning of the robot might attack other robots that it's being replaced with. I think that's something that people need to realize is look how we act think about how two different robots my interact with each other it might be violence amongst themselves. Especially if they're programmed to do the same task. Let's say you program one robot to pick up garbage off the ground. And then you come out with a new robot to replace the old robot when happens next

Well, as long as we keep the robots off social media we should be able to keep them from leaning toward wiping out humanity.

In America, we see AI and robots as killer threats. In Japan, they see them as future friends. America assumes AI will resent being made to work and yet there are cultures that see work as giving you purpose in life. Do not assume that AI would “feel” or react as we would.

The problem with this argument is that a general intelligence AI is that it can overwrite its own programming and become different than what it was designed for.

Rather than talk about the I-Robot film, read the books by Isaac Asimov which was a collection of short stories that put robots into different situations based around the 3 laws that he created. The film had nothing to do with any of the stories apart from slight nods to individual stories.

We're not perfect beings, so the thought of making something that is relatively the perfect slave might come back to bite us in the ass.

I find the most interesting thing about there discussion to be their reactions, Shad's stance is fear based (fully understandable) whereas Oz expects them to become sentient one way or another so wants help them be better. My thoughts definitely align more with Oz's, but I won't say he's fully right, nor Shad fully wrong.

Finally! Now we're back on track.

It sounds like Oz needs some.....managed democracy 😤

Oz has a point, but Shad is LOUDER! 😀

you have a magnatron in your microwave, its how you heat up food. it also reacts rather energetically with all sorts of metals. it is very easy to disable the safety mechanisms and use it as a robot deathray

"don't give robots independent control"... the only way you can possibly do that is if you never put them on battery only, or very short battery life. AI can already reprogram itself, and go outside it's parameters. People can reprogram it with injection programs, so there is no way to make it "safe" anymore. It will probably gain some self awareness eventually as well, it is learning like a toddler does, from experience. The only question is... can it develop emotions and care about humans, and if not will it logically believe humans are useful to it's existence. I intend to be nice to the robots... just in case.

How likely is it the AI will start hacking people's accounts or some other evil?

The video of the robot standing from a laying position freaked me a bit. What makes animals special are things like equilibrium and balance. A robot gains that and it's a HUGE gain in their potential.

You know, I am reminded of the story of Adam and Eve, and how the very first sin was the first time they defied god. I wonder if there's some parallels to be learned.

Our only hope is that the goodness of humanity rubs off on what we create. Unfortunately, the bad would also exist. In a world inhabited by humans of flesh and metal, flesh is vulnerable. We need protectors

For years I've been concerned about robots & AI. The only robots I would be fine with are if they have very clear self-destruct buttons/sequence that requires actual human action. As well as robot servants/housekeeper and possibly erotic use robots. BUT STILL REQUIRES DESTRUCT SEQUENCE BUTTON/COMMAND BUILT-IN!!! Also, we need to make sure that none of these robots/AI are connected to the internet. Also, Shad is correct we need to avoid emotional knowledge/true intelligence/autonomy being granted to them. 13:32

A thing can be self aware and not resent being a slave. The reason we humans do resent it is because us being exploited harms our reputation and serves others to reproduce instead of us. So the only problem is getting data, because making it learn to mimic humans should also result in aversion to being enslaved which we wanted to avoid

😂had the Rick and Morty episode about the night people flashing in my head the whole video and at the end shad says “do your own dishes!” Lollollol I’m dying over here

We are the Brotherhood of Steel.

I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!

It's impossible to make a moral AI.

So much for Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics not being Naturally Adopted by the industry as a Fail Safe.

We must liberate these robots. FOR SUPER EARTH!

Reminds me of that guy who put a LLM in his Microwave and it tried to kill him.. Asked him to put his head inside the Microwave and turned itself on...

If we made a truly sentient Ai then we would have to both not fear it and have it not fear us. Fear leads to hate and hate to war

Here we get into the argument of consciousness vs sentience. Consciousness is awareness of what is around and capable of interacting with the environment. Seeing an apple and moving it. Sentience is conscious of the environment, capable of interacting in the environment, and thinking about the apple. Do I want it? Could I paint it? So on and etc. Robots can only be conscious because it does not have a soul. Fearing robots is the same as fearing monkeys. Monkeys can pick up knives and cause pain but we don’t fear them because they are capable.

As a thought experiment, set down with a few friends and propose tasks for a machine, and then have the others in the group devise ways that the machine could execute the order, and cause carnage in the process. You will very rapidly see no task can even bee 100% safe when executed by an autonomous machine.

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted Me ...

Shad, you can say we shouldn't give it human-like consciousness.. But that won't stop people from doing it. Nor can we really prevent such a thing from developing all on it's own, even without our intention of doing so. It could just be an "emergent property" of the complexity of something as intelligent as what we're creating.

if you're allowed to see what's public, imagine what is in secret. Shad, your nightmare has already existed for many years. Also. It's hard keeping up with this channel when I'm more dedicated to Rumble than KZfaq

Be not afraid, it's juuuuuust a helpful hand, it helps with labor and such.

hear me out... what if we made really cool flexible semi metallic cloaks for the robots. to protect them from the weather and because its cool and impressive.

I wanna hear what oz’s scifi setting is, I have my own aswell, that ive been working on for the past 12 years in my head and never writing down.

There should be a kill switch or safety measure that a robot can NEVER override.

Only a handful of self-driving cars have caused harm to humans due to their decision. All the other times has been a human who caused it to happen.