do a video on why nietzsche admired islam and moorish culture of andalus (muslim spain) despite islam being also one of the abrahamic semetic religions, nobody seems to talk about this and i think it would be very interesting.

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Can you do a video on " The birth of tragedy". I think it's Nietzsche's most underrated book even if it's one of the most important analysis in history on the greek world.

@@almawlanietzsche Nietzsche's hierarchy of religions from top to bottom : - Buddhism - Judaism - Catholicism - Protestantism - Islam Islam is the most despicable religion according to Nietzsche.

@@miyamotomasao3636 source ? trust me bro ? lol have you ever read the antichrist ? specifically chapter 59 and 60 ? in both nietzsche was praising islam and moresque/mourish culture of andalus stating that its a much better alternative to christianity, he even said that its closer to him and speaks to his instincts more than greek culture does. even tho its a strict monotheist religion, nietzsche saw in islam some life affirming characteristic, and he said word for word in the antichrist at the end of chapter 59: islam has all the right in the world to feel disgusted by christianity, because islam depends on the existence of real men as an neccessary condition for its existence. ( contrary to chrsitianity which needs weak and life denying men for it to stay relevent and dominant ) however he also critisized muhammed for using the same manipulating tactics that paul used to controll the masses and that is the idea of an afterlife judgement day that leads to hell or paradise. islam is definitly at the top with judaism if not at the firt rank for nietzsche, and i'm very confused why you've put buddhism at the top, nietzsche clearly stated that buddhism is a religion of decay and nihilist one although he admired the honesty that it has towards its weakness, because atleast it doesn't make weakness a virtue like christianity does. so here is how i would put it : islam>judaism>buddhism>catholicism>protestantism.

Fun fact: Greek intellectuals actually fought in wars. Socrates for example fought in Potidea (small town in northern Greece) along side Alcibiades. Plato, Xenophon, Thucydides etc... all these people were Soldiers and Scholars.

@@aarengraves9962 when was plato a soldier? can't find information about it

search harder. He fought in Potidea and other places. @@KurtGodel-po3zl

Except he didn’t say that

Are calling the narrator of this video a coward?

What you’re saying here is misleading. Thucydides never calculates the number of Greeks who fought in the Trojan War by assessing the political, economic, and military strength of each state that contributed to the war effort at the time. He explicitly says (at section 1.10) that he came to these numbers simply by copying what Homer says in his Catalogue of Ships found in book 2 of the Iliad… How can this be considered a “scientific” approach?

@@theancienthistoryguy402 Also, the reason Homer is still popular to this day is that people read him knowing that the God's are just metaphors for our own human nature. I think Stephen Fry has talked about this, as have others.

Aye it was my understanding that the spiritual war of antiquity *IS* the political amd philosophical war, and often a more sensible conveyance of the attitudes involved.

@@theancienthistoryguy402 He relied on the only source available. More generally, the point is he was the first historian to conduct analysis of events as utterly removed from theology, mysticism and spiritualism. Anything that was not verified in the material (to some degree, at least) is ignored or outright rejected. He was the first "real-world" historian.

@@myhatmygandhi6217 They symobolise aspects of nature, like apollo the sun for example. I think people read it more for artistic reasons than historical.

When I first saw his channel, I was ready to point out what I imagined would be huge inaccuracies (due to my past experience with Nietzsche pop philosophy videos on YT) but I was surprised by how well nuanced and well presented his videos were. He really does a good job of explaining Nietzsche. However, and I think he’ll agree with this, the best way to take in Nietzsche is to read him :) No substitute for the hard work of actually reading folks!!

Check out the channel 'The Ark' here on KZfaq, it's great

Pop psychology channels are like what fast food is to cuisine. It isn't really food. It isn't really philosophy.

@Anand Ramaswamy Dr Sadler is great. Also Overthink and Fiction Beast!

​​@@anantsharma7955 renowned translator and Nietzche scholar Walter Kaufman has some lectures that were recorded here on KZfaq. If you're not going to read Nietzsche, I would listen to it for free on librevox. Any youtube videos aren't going to be suitable replacements for taking a class, just as showing up to a class isn't suitable replacement for reading the works in that class. At least in Nietzsche case. Good luck.

Aren't you mixing two stories here? I'm sure there was such a case, but the new decision actually reached the island in question in time. The Greek world may indeed have been shocked and pivoted as you say, but I still think you're mixing two different cases.

@@stephannaro2113 I will check this. I am as now pretty sure the recall was too late.

@@stephannaro2113 Having check this, you are correct. I had confused or conflated the expedition to Melos with the expedition to Lesbos. The recall ship was sent to Lesbos and got there in time to prevent the sort of massacre that did occur on Melos. All the sources I have checked do support the claim that the Greek world was repelled by the Athenian massacre and enslavement of the population of Melos, and that undermined their trust in Athens. A similar situation occurred during WWII when the British attacked the French base at Mers al Kaber. They did this to show that they were not about to surrender and would stop at nothing to protect themselves. This course of action is debated. I think that it was a bad mistake, alienating the French that made operation Torch and other operations more difficult, and supplied the Nazis with a propaganda coup.

@@tonygumbrell22 Thanks for checking - good to know my memory didn't deceive me. The attack on the French Navy is indeed an interesting, modern, parallel that I didn't really know about. (I'm sure I've heard about it, but only as a fact.)

You are confusing the Mytilian debate, where Athenians did change their mind about slaughtering citizens of Mytilene, with the Melian Dialogue, where Athenians had no change of heart and did in fact kill all male adults of Melos and enslaved all the women and children. These two events are often confused.

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@@jamesbarlow6423 He was an pre-Hellenic Athenian bullfighter whose name was said to bring good luck, abundant olive harvest, and fertility.

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@@ElliotBrownJingles lol,,,,,

you can't read ... don't gotta cover it up

Please do

might do some of us good to START reading it all

@@thucydides7849 Chad Thucydides.

i googled tacitus and it seems that he was primarily a historian; does he delve into philosophy too?

@@arcade5765 His history is cognizant of human nature, foible, folly, failing, and strength, and his Latin is sometimes subtle. He puts this speech into the mouth of a British chieftain telling his people what to expect from the Romans. On the obverse of Roman coins of that period was the slogan (translated) "Bringers of Peace" Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant. They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace. Note American coins might say "Bringers of Democracy" They put a Burger King in downtown Kabul and a Coca-Cola bottling plant in the suburbs; Democracy appellant.

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Those that don't utilize brute power reveal their weakness, and it's no wonder they usually end up dead. (Or at least so insignificant that they may as well be)

And he never actually had any brute power to utilize, so there's that. His mom and his sister ran his affairs for their own profit after his mental breakdown left him a quivering mess, living in his mother's house.

@@KevinJohnson-cv2no that exactly what sparta used against Athens to win the war (brut force and machiavelism) but you argumented that they vassalize themself the perses , this arguments is from the weak , what moral standard you utilise the attack sparta strategy ?

@@tylerdurden1911 ur analysis related to Sparta is weak

@tylerdurden1911 In life you win some, and ya loose some. Any warrior likes it that way. Only slaves want everyone to be at the top of the mountain and live forever.

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Read his The Birth of Tragedy Out of the Spirit of Music (Die Geburt der Tragödie aus dem Geiste der Musik) Nietzsche discusses the history of the tragic form and introduces an intellectual dichotomy between the Dionysian and the Apollonian (very loosely: reality as disordered and undifferentiated by forms versus reality as ordered and differentiated by forms). Nietzsche claims life always involves a struggle between these two elements, each battling for control over the existence of humanity. Wikipedia

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That's a good point. Athens might have used this reasoning because eventhough it would be easy for Athens to conquer Melos, the optimal way to win a war is without having to fight, so they tried to convince Melos that they would be somehow merciful in this scenario. And Melos on the hand, tried to appeal to morality as they were the weaker. It's like a recurring pattern, the weaker uses morality as a mean to attain more power, since they almost never have another alternative. It's just human nature.

The key is that IT DOESN'T MATTER. The Melians themselves almost go down this line of thought in the dialogue, to which the Athenians basically say "If you're here to worry about hypothetical future scenarios, instead of doing what is in the best interest of your state RIGHT NOW; we're done here" and the Melians bunny-hop to another line of logic. Might nullifies all rebuttals and "what-ifs". Logically speaking, though, it would not make sense to waste the resources subjugating a vassal state that has already willingly subjugated itself; the Athenians would have no reason to slaughter the Melians had they surrendered.

@@KevinJohnson-cv2no It does matter, choosing to ignore long-term consequences seems quite self-serving for the athenians. "Just don't think about it." If they just immediately dismiss what-if scenarios, that means they can't counter that, which is quite indicative that the what if scenario was their objective in the first place. Athenians should have tried to lie better. In summary, not thinking about long-term consequences, what if scenarios and believing the narrative your enemy is spinning is quite the suicidal move.

@@pinarppanrapir9489 Lol, I think you are failing to understand the gravitas of the Melians' situation. "Choosing to ignore long-term consequences" The Athenians are positing the fact that *THERE IS NO* long-term for the Melians if they refuse; for *ANY REASON* at all. They posit that *IT DOES NOT MATTER* what fantastic delusions you have about how we may treat you in the future; because the reality of the situation is that if you reject us RIGHT NOW, we will wipe you from existence *RIGHT NOW.* You cannot afford to worry about "Oh, but what if we accept then they mistreat us in the future?" Because the reality is the fact that if you refuse in the present, you will be erased HERE & NOW. Either accept, or there IS NO FUTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Hence, like I said, The Athenians make it profoundly obvious that it makes no sense to worry about fantastical delusions of the future when the fact of the matter is your very existence is being put to the sword as we speak. To make it even more clear to you, what would meet the Melians should they say "We refuse due to the possibility of mistreatment in the future."? Utter annihilation in the present. That is all. Thus, the futility of worrying about future scenarios instead of doing what is in your best interest to literally preserve your existence *RIGHT NOW* is utterly stupid. "If you accept, you may be mistreated sometime in the future? Okay...? Well while you're worrying about those far off scenarios, just know that if you refuse *NOW* you'll be annihilated *as we speak* LOL. So choose." - The Athenians

@@KevinJohnson-cv2no for all the praising of Thucydides as a scientific realistic historian, he did indulge in a considerable amount of license regarding the speeches he "records". This he admits himself.

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This piece of writing strives more for the appearance of profundity than for clarity; so much so that the actual point it is making stands as nothing more than the medium through which an attempt at the imitation of Nietzsche's style may be carried out. Do not begrudge my words, writer, for we are all guilty of this sin, including myself. Speak only if you have something to say, speak only because you have a thought, and let it be something of substance. Finally, use only as few words as are necessary to express the point. If you do this then your own unique style will emerge, and you will have no choice as to its form. All this ofcourse is a consequence of the danger of reading: that the more we read the less we think and the more we consume others the more we swallow ourselves.

@@jackbicknell4711 Well I read Thucydides in Greek, so I earned the right to say what I think. I wasn't attempting to copy Nietzsche, as I don't think his prose style is that great. And there is a point to what I'm saying so please read again.

@@bennettbullock9690 I have read it and do not understand the main point you are trying to make, because as far as I can tell, it is lacking one. You speak of an undercurrent of love and bitterness; of Thuycidides as cold and scientific; of Herodotus as a "starstruck adoptee," whatever that means; of T the tragedian breaking Greek, whatever that means and Homer being related to Herodotus as Thuycidides to Euripides. How are these points related and what is the chief point you are trying to make? Genuine question, not trying to attack you.

@@jackbicknell4711 Ok, so I read your comments more carefully, and will try to be more generous in my response. Apologies for the curtness of my previous replies. * Herodotus was given citizenship by Athens later in his life, but never seemed to be able to view Athens realistically. His Eastern characters are much more nuanced and complex, because he grew up in Ionia, adjacent to the Neo-Hittite civilizations and eventually Persia. This is what I mean by "starstruck adoptee". Thucydides, by contrast, was an insider. He loved Athens for what it almost achieved, but then watched it unravel, and he himself was exiled in the process - after Amphipolis. "spurned lover". * "Breaking Greek" meaning that, compared to Herodotus, Thucydides' Greek is incredibly difficult, obtuse, and not very fluid. I believe this was a conscious choice on his part, as the Ancient Greeks put a lot of thought into their style and what it communicated. In this vein, Herodotus copies Homer. His prose is a melodious, regular alternation of long and short syllables, with the most dramatic passages ending in a curt interruption of short syllables, much like Homer's dactylic hexameter. My comparison of Thucydides to Euripides reflects Euripides' radical style - alternating between the poetic and the vernacular - but also to his violent, traumatic aesthetic. Bad things in Euripides don't appear in a clear, ordered moral universe the way they do in, say, Sophocles. They just seem to pop up out of nowhere, very much like in Thucydides. * In terms of both language and content, Thucydides is highly tragic. This is not in agreement with the fashionable portrayal of Thucydides as some kind of social scientist. He is narrating a story of a civilization that places too much faith in its own ability to cleverly plan ahead - the main example being Pericles' packing the rural population into the city, making perfect conditions for a plague. * Nietzche (who I would never imitate, as I think his prose is horrible) wanted a value system grounded not in eternal abstractions, but in experience. In a way, tragedy does the same thing, by tearing down people's assumptions and forcing them to experience something far more horrific. I believe this is why Nietzche put so much thought into Greek tragedy. And why Thucydides, as a fundamentally tragic writier, would appeal to him.

@@bennettbullock9690 Halicarnassus was a city in Caria, not Ionia. It was founded by Dorians. I must say in regards to your analysis that there is no way to have an attempt to answer your take on two of the greatest Greeks. Euripides was a brother more of Socrates than Thucydides.

All the more ironic too since, for all the brutality the real world has, consequences for actions and acting out of ideals are part of the real world too, as you so poignantly pointed out. As another commenter elsewhere pointed out, right after the events at Melos, Athens would also lose a battle with Sicily, a Greek colony, largely because of its ruthlessness. People who act out of a might makes right tend to end up very lonely.

Aristotle was ethno-centric. He casually promoted the superiority of the Greek race. He had conservative views and contributed to logic, criticism, rhetoric, physics, biology, psychology, mathematics, metaphysics, ethics, and politics.

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Spoken like a true last man

No no. The mistake is thinking that all fighting is on the battlefield. Let them in. Accept "subjugation" and then undermine them from within. The Strong are not strong all the time. Even the strongest man needs to sleep.

​@@epsiloncore9772In hindsight and on an objective standpoint. You are the stronger one at that point in time (you're awake, they're asleep). So Might Does make right. Interesting take btw.

You're bringing out a very good point, or perhaps I see a point you don't necessarily intend to suggest. And if we are meant to read between the lines... The funeral oration is full of praise for virtue and bravery. This is recognized as an important part of what makes Athens strong. But when it suits Athens, they claim that the strong do what they can. Except that the "strong" are acting like idiots to the extent they undermine their own strength. Part of Syracusan resolve to resist is their knowledge of what happened to Milos. They don't want to accept the slavery that "strong Athens" offers them. One could say, and perhaps Thucydides says, that the values of Milos won. Athens was blinded by it's might makes right attitude. If Thucydides is arguing against the old gods like Zeus etc, then he's arguing FOR the importance of the power of trust and fellowship and virtue lived and expressed without reference to the old gods. Athens lost because they were acting like the kind of dicks unable to see that the same values that make them strong and cohesive internally are the values that engender trust anywhere. And Thucydides is a classic because if one knows how to look, one can see might makes right playing out disastrously for the faux-virtuous new Athens.

@@jamesdewane1642 you make many good points. Consider the way Sparta treated Tegea. After Sparta prevailed over the Tegeans, they created the Peloponnesian League which Sparta dominated but didn't conquer. This i think was the inspiration for the Latin League. It held together for two hundred years and was vital in the repulse of the Persian invasion.

Same here buddy, Melos hoping for a helping hand from God or the Spartans is just what Ukraine is doing, or more precisely, the man-child president Zelensky, he is responsible for this unnecessary blood shed.

@@hashimmajid7905 Oh please, it's pretty obvious that Putin and not Zelensky is responsible for this war since Putin's the one who decided to invade with BS pretexts. This war started in 2014, long before Zelensky was elected president. Also, while I don't know much about ancient Greek history, it seems to me like the situation today is very different than the one in ancient Greece described in this video. It seems like a lot of powerful western countries have decided that it's in their interest to weaken and punish Russia for their invasion by assisting Ukraine for a variety of reasons, one of them being that there's no guarantee that Russia will stop at Ukraine. These nations have already provided weapons and economic assistance to Ukraine and imposed tough sanctions intended to ruin the Russian economy so it seems like Ukraine hoping for assistance from allies turned out to not be a completely unrealistic hope.

@@hashimmajid7905 Lmfao its completely the other way around. Russia should have accepted the Western victory in the Cold War and their own demotion to local power, yet they still grasp at the dream that they'll rebuild the USSR's sphere of influence.

You're going to die anyway, get out there.

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It’s the difference between the classical (c=k) and medieval (c=s) pronunciation. Compare See-zur to Kaisar

@@WeltgeistYT thank you for clarifying 🙂

not everyone (including me) as bright as you think bro, better to outline the points for me again than to repeat the whole video just after I finish it. also I don't see any repetitiveness in mentioning the important points that connects the different parts of the video.

@@hashimmajid7905 Well, he did show and read the entirety of Nietzsche's quote about 'the unutterable' THREE times.

Alcibiades And Socrates, Painted By François André Vincent (c. 1746-1816)

It's actually called Alciabiades being taught by Socrates

@@puppetmaskerr tnx!

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My favorite translation is by Judith Norman. She is extremely readable her word selection is helpful to understand Nietzsche.