WEN Sharpener Review & User Guide | Tormek Knock-Off
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Күн бұрынThis is a detailed review of the WEN Wet Stone Sharpening System! The WEN sharpener will provide you with extremely sharp working edges for all your edged tools and knives at a fraction of the price of a Tormek (It's basically a Tormek knock-off). However, there are some drawbacks so make sure to watch this video before making a purchase!
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✅Products Mentioned (Note some of these go in and out of stock on Amazon.. Just be patient and they'll come back):
WEN Water Cooled Sharpener (Link 1) - amzn.to/3vIWSRP
WEN Jig Kit - amzn.to/423Jd3I
Tormek TT-50 Dressing Tool - amzn.to/2pdaRx6
Tormek new KJ--45 Knife Jig - amzn.to/3SmZDRE
Tormek SP-650 Stone Grader - amzn.to/365YVOu
✅Other Similar Sharpeners (These machines were not reviewed in this video, however, the techniques shown could be applied to these units):
Grizzly Sharpener - amzn.to/2MNZrco
Triton Sharpener - amzn.to/32PAYsv
Tormek Sharpener - amzn.to/2qLuUTY
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Camera - Panasonic G7 - amzn.to/2SD8ekG
Microphone - Takstar - amzn.to/36euYLP
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@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
What sharpening system do yall use?! - (BTW, I apologize for my watermark being so large in the top left corner... I messed that up in editing.)
@esnyd 4 жыл бұрын
I use stones, apex, mdf system, 2x72, etc. I seem to use the belt grinder the most these days, then use my wheels for touch up. I really like these tormek systems though and will look into the wen. Thanks Brother.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Eric Snyder I’ve heard good things about mdf wheels!
@jaykees5424 4 жыл бұрын
I use Record Power WG250 wet system. Tormek T-8 is too expensive, even though it might be best in the market.. Tormek T-4 is too small for butchering knives. Gap between stone and leather wheel is too narrow.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
@@jaykees5424 Very nice! Yeah.... Tormek is pretty darn proud of their product. Seems like the price is worth it if you're a professional sharpener maybe.
@capnmatt41 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, first time seeing the Wen. I have a Tormek and won't switch but good to know the other options for people who want to try but not drop all the dough.
@everydaybladesinc 3 жыл бұрын
Probably the best review of a product I’ve ever seen on KZfaq. Not only informative but you didn’t just trash the product when you had an issue. You showed an easy fix. Great job brother.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that! I'm still using this guy. It's not perfect, but it can get a blade pretty darn sharp!
@amishplumber4251 4 жыл бұрын
I own the WEN sharpening system and I like your modifications. I make knives and I’m able to get a really nice edge on my knives with it. I put a baking pan under mine and it takes care of all the water mess.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah, that's a good idea. Thanks for watching.
@davidemillerjr 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video. Thought I would throw this out there to help with one of the complaints of your system. Put the Wen in a cookie sheet, drilled a hole in one of the corners and put the hole over the bench so water goes into 5 gal pail waiting below. Helps quite a bit. Again great videos.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea sir! I found that I don't get the table wet if I don't over fill the water holder... Sounds obvious, but I was over filling before. Now it's become a non issue. Have a great weekend!
@tedgreen1232 4 жыл бұрын
Tormek has videos on how to use a wet stone sharpener. They set up the knife holding jig different. Imagine a line from the beginning cutting blade edge (next to handle of the knife) to the blade point. Now set your jig in the middle of blade but angled to match the line described above. Seemed very effective in keeping the correct blade angle, even at the curve just by lifting the handle. Hard to describe , hope this helps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Good tips and info Ted! Thanks for the comment.
@multifunctionalcompositesa3067 7 ай бұрын
Thank you, I've had my Wen for almost two years and wish I had seen this before Jan 2024. I figured out the attachments etc on my own and your advice is completely on the mark. 😊
@RedBeardOps 7 ай бұрын
Cheers sir!
@diredesire 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for the informative review. I appreciate the workarounds and the layman's explanations and calling out critical accessories. This will save me a ton of time down the road.
@RedBeardOps 27 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@stoneblue1795 4 жыл бұрын
Well done friend. It's clear you are committed to fully digesting this sport/hobby. It's rewarding to just watch someone reach such levels of excellence, certainly.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey JP, I really appreciate that. It's a great craft for sure! Happy you liked the video.
@esnyd 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a good video. If you're on the fence or struggling with getting consistent edge bevels, follow this guide and buy a similar system.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Eric Snyder thanks sir. I still use this sharpener. I do have some issues keeping it clean when I don’t have a sharpening notch, but that could be user error. Glad you liked it!
@bawrytr 2 жыл бұрын
Even if it doesn't freeze, if you leave the wheel in the water for long periods of time, the water will affect the wheel and it will get out of balance. Just take the tray off the machine and let the wheel dry out as evenly as possible.
@ShevillMathers 4 жыл бұрын
My GMC version came with all the fittings, nothing else to buy, less than $100 Australian, very low cost and with practise, performs very well over many years and well worth the low price. 👍🇦🇺🔭
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Shevill Mathers very cool! Sounds like a hell of a deal!
@jawbaw6471 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Keeton, I learned to grind an edge without using a guide. Edges are excellent.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Good to know! Thanks for sharing. I may need to try this out.
@RoarIsaksen1959 Жыл бұрын
I have several stones for my Tormek machine. It is necessary to mount the stone in exactly the same position as when it was centered with the diamond turning tool. I use to make sure that the writing on the side of the stone is completely horizontal and facing the right way every time i tighten the nut holding the stone. If I put the stone upside down, for example, it will be thrown up and down in rotation due to the tiny clearance around the axle
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Good tip!
@LarryDMitchell 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I just purchased a WEN off of CL from a guy who used it once! Got a great deal so now I need to use it. Came across your channel while surfing about the WEN and you answered all my questions, including the towels underneath the unit. I would have never thought of that. Since I'm stuck at home that will give me some time to watch some of your other videos. Thanks
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Cool deal sir! I will stay that I was over filling the water tray. If you keep the water level below the line I don't have any spillage. Cheers
@conradaquino1406 4 жыл бұрын
Great info, especially the mod. Another hack for the stone grader... A regular coarse/fine aluminum oxide combo sharpening stone does the same job at 1/2 the price (or more) of the Tormek stone.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@DarkArtsDeepDive 4 жыл бұрын
Does it have to be a particular grit? Will 150/240 work? Thanks for any help
@UncleSarkis 3 жыл бұрын
@@DarkArtsDeepDive that's very course considering the wheel is already at 220, then you grade to 1000 then strop.
@ricksparozic3920 4 жыл бұрын
Loving all your videos dude. Super informative and great camera quality. Came across your shop tour last night and I've been binge watching since. Keep up the great videos!!
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, thanks for your comment! Much appreciated.
@NRiggiKnives 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and demo. The reference material in the links is interesting. I do "set" my initial edge on the grinder on very low speed with a 220 ceramic. I then strop. That is my standard working edge for any knife that goes out of my shop If someone wants a more refined edge, I use the KME. I also do the edge roll test with a brass rod. I have only once had an edge that deformed under that testing.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Cool deal! It was the first time I'd thought about (when reading Larrin's work). Figured it gave me an excuse to buy a new tool!
@braddblk 2 жыл бұрын
Something I had on hand is a bread tray from a bakery. It has a lip of about 1/2" and it is a couple of feet square and made of fiberglass, water contained!
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Brad!
@labrat7357 4 жыл бұрын
I have had two Tormek machines an old 2000 and a T7 . the 2000 motor started alternating between forward and reverse when started (someone sugested that might just be a faulty start capacitor) around the same time the the drive rubber/friction drive packed it in and would no longer drive the unit, the second wheel was down to well under 180mm diameter. So I lashed out and got a T7 plus all the jig sets on offer except the drill sharpener , shaper blade sharpener jig and planner blade sharpener jig. The best choice I have ever made. I have used a jet and a schepach knock off and they were both inferior to the Tormek by a big margin. I'm presently looking for an excuse to buy the T8, but my wife is being unreasonable.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, your last sentence there has me cracking up! I agree, everything I've seen points to the Tormek being an excellent machine!
@ffbrn 4 жыл бұрын
Good information! You can use a baking tray or plastic tub or some kind of a container to place the sharpener in, that will make the water mess manageable.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
That is a great idea! I may need to do that!
@jeffstanley4593 4 жыл бұрын
You can sharpen with the wheel turning away from the edge to nearly eliminate the water mess. You can do that on the Tormek anyway, don't know about the WEN. I have the Tormek and that is a major major problem with it. I don't even sharpen knives on it anymore, it was that bad. Kitchen knives are done very well on the Chefs Edge Trizor XV. Interesting to note that you have to use Tormek tools on the WEN.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
That's true. I have tried that method, but I like how the bur is smaller when sharpening towards yourself. For sure Tormek items are of a higher quality and perform their task very well. They supplement the WEN sharpener well. The truing and dressing tool is a must.
@e.t.preppin7084 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to own one. About 35 years ago I worked with a Scottish boat carpenter who had a delta wet wheel. That thing was awesome for sharpening our chisels and block plane blades. I was fairly new to carpentry back then but remember being impressed by the tool. For the last 5 years or so I’ve been looking for something like that wheel. I bought one from Harbor Freight but it was junk. I’m pleased with my when tools so I’ll probably buy this. Couldn’t you just free hand your drop points or any knife for that matter rather than using the tool arm ? I use the edge pro professional model for all my sharpening except my convex grinds in which case I use my edgewright system. Basically sandpaper on a semi soft rubber strip block and sharpen by hand similar to stropping followed by actual stropping with a series of compounds. 👍 thanks J
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
You could go free hand for sure! I bet that would take a little practice. With the laser guide it would be easier. If you want the cadillac get the tormek... but if you want a cheap option this thing will do! Thanks for watching!
@e.t.preppin7084 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll probably go low budget because I will probably be using the Wen for very specific projects. My whole attitude is apt to change because I have never sharpened a knife on a wet stone(wheel). I’ll see and let you know. Thanks for the review
@kevinwilkinson1510 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for taking the time to present a detailed review. My particular interest in something like this is for sharpening an American style scythe blade.
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@AereForst 4 жыл бұрын
That laser hack is brilliant. You should patent it then sell it to Wen or Tormek
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! Glad you liked it!
@kirkbrooks9447 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the early 80's I worked in a big hardware/tool supply store (Pre-Box store days) and we had a few Wen products. Their drills and sanders and such were garbage but they had a pretty good electric chainsaw and they had a wet sharpener that was very good. It had a horizontal wet wheel and a vertical wheel. No strop. It had a water tank on back as well. You could sharpen 12" planer blades for the big contractor grade power planers on that thing and get a really good result pretty quickly. The horizontal jig had a bit of learning curve to it but after that it was nice to have around. Plus you could buy it for under $50 I think. I'd like to find one now.
@carlb401 3 жыл бұрын
Delta also make those or used to ( 23-710), also makita make a single stone version which can be bought in the USA.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kirk, I can't say they're the best quality, but sometimes the price is right. This sharpener is still going strong for me.
@kirkbrooks9447 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlb401 After the hardware store I was a service supervisor for Makita. It was a good product but was way overpriced imo. Plus a bit tricky to set up for planer blade sharpening.
@kirkbrooks9447 3 жыл бұрын
@@RedBeardOps Can't argue with results!!
@jefferyeverly9431 4 жыл бұрын
JKeetonKnives has it do on karambits , recurves, etc.... for me thats one hardest knives to sharpen is my karambits that I make.... thanks AWESOME REVIEW. thinking of getting one :)
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
I bet it would be difficult for sure to do a recurve. I haven't tried one. I have seen a guy on youtube somewhere demonstrating how to with a tormek. It seems difficult to master but doable. Thanks for the praise on the review and thanks for watching!
@rickhall5399 4 жыл бұрын
The problem I have with the tour mock or the grizzly wet water wheel is that it creates a hollow ground cutting edge which will not last as long as a convex cutting edge or a flat ground cutting edge for that matter if you use a belt grinder you just need to put a cool mist on it when your sharpening and go at low speeds
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Man, I thought the same when I first investigated buying one. Then I drew out the actual dimensions in CAD to get an idea of "how hollow" the grind is. On a 10" I can tell you that it's extremely negligible. Check this out - www.dropbox.com/s/k2v8yik2ocfn8em/WENWheel.jpg?dl=0
@rickhall5399 4 жыл бұрын
Red Beard Ops Yeah I read that Article as well I always do a convex even though it’s small I would put it up against any knife with a hollow ground or flat ground edge as far as longevity this comes from lessons with Mike Quesenberry who was taught by Tim Hancock I also saw that you referenced Nick Wheeler he was also taught by Tim Hancock to do that type of an edge.
@jjholl3826 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid👍 love the pivot pin idea!! Such a simple fix dude!! 🤙🏼
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It makes it way better for hunters like that. Still takes a little practice... all of our kitchen knives are sharp now! LOL
@Asmuk 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, this was the most useful video I watched for a long time. Thanks, mate. Good idea on the laser as well.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@robertmunguia250 2 жыл бұрын
I’m looking at the kit now and it must have been upgraded because it does not have the black knobs anymore. Look good in the picture. Knife jig.
@joshlong1397 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for comparing the tormek and wen knife jig accessories, that's what I was looking for!
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you got something out of this one Josh!
@jasonmills9158 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. VERY well done, and pointed out some things about the system I hadn’t considered.
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@richardleslie410 2 жыл бұрын
I could not afford the Tormak machine so I bought this one. I think it has potential but I couldn't get repeatable results. As you mentioned the castings are not precise. after I trued the cutting wheel and set the reference bar to the height for a cut I noticed the bar was no longer level with the cutting wheel. There is a great deal of tolerance in the bushings meaning the guide bar could be as much as 3/8" out from left to right. frustration caused me to shelf the item for now.
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that Richard. I still use this guy. It takes a fiddling with before getting it set the way I want. I found that when I adjust the bar I like putting even pressure down on both "legs" before tightening it. Otherwise it will tilt a little.
@richardleslie410 2 жыл бұрын
@@RedBeardOps Maybe I'll give it another try,
@Zerostar369 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review and tutorial. I just picked this one up and you have helped a ton already getting me going with it.
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@jackdotzman2908 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice vid and your review is very well done. Appreciate your thoughts and explaining what you liked and disliked. Thanks for taking the time. From Missouri
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Cheers Jack!
@s.steele2806 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review of this sharpening system. Thanks so much for sharing.🤘
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@briantabor7906 4 жыл бұрын
All your videos have great info. Just bought a Tormek, ouch. Gonna give that pivot mod a shot.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Brian! Thank you! Tormek makes a hell of a machine man. I doubt you'll be disappointed! The Pivot mod is still going strong for me!
@watermain48 4 жыл бұрын
That was a fine review. Got you a new sub.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill, glad you got something out of this one. Cheer sir!
@libertyordeath1287 4 жыл бұрын
Nice review. Just ordered one a couple days ago. I wanted the tormek and almost ordered the t-4 but people say that you can't do longer knives. I ordered the tormek accessories with it, small knife holder, stone truing tool, stone grader and angle finder. I figure if the wen turns out to be a dud I will eventually bite the bullet and get a t-8 and still have the tools for it which in this case was the biggest expense.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
That was my thoughts as well! You can also return it for free via Amazon if you hate it out of the box.
@hardlyb 4 жыл бұрын
I think I would prefer to freehand rather than try to use something to hold the blade, but the truing attachment seems like something anyone would need. Do you think I'm kidding myself about being able to hold the blade at the right angle on the wheel? I've been satisfied with the edge I get with a whetstone, and this just seems easier since I don't need to move the knife back and forth or add water (at the cost of getting water and grit all over my face and clothes). Also, I saw a video where a professional knife sharpener rate the Wen, and liked it enough to recommend it (and use it as a secondary wheel), and he said the $3 two-sided stone from Harbor Freight worked fine for conditioning the Wen. In fact, he wasn't sure the much more expensive Tormek stone was any better,
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
I've sharpened free hand with this system and it does work pretty well. Did better than I thought. Thanks for your thoughts! Have a great weekend! Cheers
@denniscraven8438 4 жыл бұрын
Great review. Thanks for doing it!
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
@ronjones4069 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent vide. Thank you, I now feel like an expert!! It is a huge help for me.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron, glad you enjoyed it!
@ThekiBoran 3 жыл бұрын
Have you seen Knife Grinders channel?
@AMBOSS_Silesia 4 жыл бұрын
I have Tormek T8. For two reasons- first is quality and precision. It is really well made piece of a tool with a 7 years guarantee. And as a proffesional I just have to have good tool to serve. And second reason- Tormek has all the patents. Any other tool is just a copy. Some worse, some better but still copies. As an industrial designer with a degree and proffesional blacksmith I just respect copyrights. Just imagine- you work on something for let's say a year or two, finally you develop it and put it into production and some asshole just walks in and takes it. For free, without a license, without your permission. You get nothing. I can't change the world buy at least I can deny to support patent thieves.
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment
@RGRGJKK 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks useful vídeo. You gives us critical información about that wen slow bench grinder. Thanks again
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Thanks!
@thebigbang4474 3 жыл бұрын
Best video! Very informative and creative. Thanks Mr. Red Beard.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@ChristopherSalisburySalz 2 жыл бұрын
You could maybe put the sharpner in a long, wide, and shallowish container to catch the water slop.
@BretChilcott 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Anytime sir! Thanks for watching!
@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 4 жыл бұрын
great video! I do just about all of my sharpening on my 2x72 but have been considering some form of a wet wheel for a long time because it’s sometimes a PITA to get the belt to run flat enough at the edges so that I’m not putting that tiny bit of recurve at the choil.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hello sir! I'll say it's not perfect. I've done it both ways and currently have been liking the wheel. There's nothing wrong with a 2x72 edge though if you're careful and you set up for it. I do like having the guide so that my bevels are the same on both sides, but by hand you can get them pretty damn close on the grinder too!
@marcgosik273 3 жыл бұрын
In the current model (newer) jig kit, the screw(s) (like you replaced because it would contact the wheel when you flipped to the other side) are different. No plastic knob now. All metal and lower profile.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update marc. Good to know!
@budchestnut9303 2 жыл бұрын
Get a plant starter tray from your farm supply and position the machine in it to catch splash and water. Don't let too much water depth build up.
@CougarClan 2 жыл бұрын
Best one I've seen by far! TY!!!
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Thank you
@southronjr1570 4 жыл бұрын
I bought one of these 2 years ago and for its price point, it's worked good for me but the axle was severely out of round making both the stone and strop wobbled pretty bad. On the strop side, I was able to work around it but took a stone dressing tool to true up the stone. It still has a little wobble but nothing I can't work around. I freehand though and can work around it.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Good to know. I feel like with these cheap machines the truing and dresssing wheel is a necessity.
@Airik1111bibles 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool deal..I just bought a worksharp adjust and it works great BUT ...There are flaws that are done on purpose imho, just so they can release the next best version. AKA KEN ONION. They are definitely dumbing down their designs just enough to force feedback which they pre-planned to "fix". If I a simpleton can find instant flaws 5 minutes in I'm certain their designers didn't miss it.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Arik, yeah the knock offs aren't perfect for sure.
@deans67pala 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet vid brother! Simple and to the point.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@pittbullcustomleather6509 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the helpful review & tips. Much appreciated.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@RoarIsaksen1959 Жыл бұрын
It's all in the Tormek manual how to avoid the problem with the grinding angle towards the tip of the knife. You must push the knife handle a bit forward at the same time as jou lifting towards the tip of the knife. this will result in a more constant edge angle all the way to the tip of the knife. I guess you did the oposit that will make this worse.
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@Prixnup 3 жыл бұрын
The laser idea is a keen one 👍🏻👌🏻
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@thirdrail9295 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful. Thank you for putting this out.
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@patrickgrimes8964 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. Two thumbs up.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Patrick, glad you enjoyed this one!
@broken1965 4 жыл бұрын
Guys if you get bad out of round wheels you can try shimming it .005 shim stock or whatever leave the shim stock in the wheel hub if changing wheels then true the wheel imo
@666THUGNIFICENT666 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought this system after watching your great, in depth review. Problem is NOBODY has the accessory kit available rendering it useless... any advice would be appreciated.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dom, if you can't find the accessories I'm not sure what your options are until they come back in stock. Maybe the tormek accessories?
@Zamboni-0805 3 жыл бұрын
I think if you put les water in the reservoir it won't be as messy and get you all wet. The stone just needs to skim the water to stay cool.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Man, that is 100% right. I've later found that works well!
@mihaipopa9414 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video and instructions, thanks!
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@keatonskorner4547 4 жыл бұрын
This is crazy, I’m just starting building knives, have only made one. But can’t figure out how to sharpen it. I was looking at the WEN and clicked on your video. And then saw we had the same name!
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Small world! Thanks for commenting and watching, sir! Have a great day.
@randal1531 6 ай бұрын
If you use less water in your reservoir they are less messy
@nicholascurran4290 3 жыл бұрын
I use whetstones. 320, 2000, 6000, leather or newspaper to finish.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
That'll do it! Cheers Nicholas!
@awesomegod91 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing.
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! Cheers
@danielmiller2886 Жыл бұрын
Great info!
@henrykrahn6072 3 жыл бұрын
I placed mine in a boot tray to catch most of the water.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
I found I stopped having this issue when I didn't over fill the water
@bdormer1 4 жыл бұрын
Yep - there are options like the WEN. BUT.... nobody but TORMEK uses the motors they do or the stainless hardware or the one-piece zinc casting that everything references off of. In 6 months to a year, a WEN (or other knock-off) will be a doorstop because of this. Save your pennys and get a real Tormek (like a T3) and you will buy once-cry once - and not be sorry when you try to use it.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Yep not arguing that Tormek is a better unit. I'm about 6 months in now, so far so good. The knock-off is a good way to get into the wet stone platform. All the residual equipment would work on a Tormek if I ever want to upgrade. I didn't even know if I'd like the system when I bought it so justifying the Tormek was difficult for me. I'll ride it till it dies and will update if it does. 👍
@1pcfred 4 жыл бұрын
Tormek has better find ways to make their products more economical. Because what they charge is robbery. They've had plenty of time to figure it out now too.
@neilchristiansen1123 4 жыл бұрын
Tormak knows how to do it for less. They would used inferior material and designs assembled by slave labor in China without any support. They just choose not to. I have their T8 and it is a delight to use. I'm sure that you do quality work and should be rewarded for it to.
@1pcfred 4 жыл бұрын
@@neilchristiansen1123 I'm glad you're happy. I'm happy enough using traditional bench grinders myself. I get the grinds I need with them and they're a lot cheaper to get.
@neilchristiansen1123 4 жыл бұрын
@@1pcfred That is some mad skills controlling the heat and angle. Props to you.
@zapadeeboom 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if someone else has asked this already but why wouldn't you just flip the jig upside down so that the bolts are facing up instead of facing down.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Then you would have to take the knife in and out of the jig for each side. This way you only have to clamp it once. Cheers sir!
@dirkbaumann9398 4 жыл бұрын
I have been trying to get the same machine as you have and it is very difficult to find. I per sally prefer the model you have rather than the new model. The machine you have looks very similar to other brand names. Yesterday I looked at the Canadian tire website and in my opinion it looks identical to the old wen. So if anybody wants the similar model CT has them. My question is: Do you have any problems with the arms or the stone not being straight ? I like to thank you for your excellent video
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Cool deal sir, I know it comes in and out of stock at Amazon... Seems to take a while to get back in stock once it goes out of stock. When the arm is seated fully before tightening down I feel like you can make it very repeatable. To true the arm with the wheel you can use the tormek truing and dressing tool. Thanks for your comment sir.
@miguelmoreno6865 4 жыл бұрын
Dios bendito lo que habla este tío.
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
gracias Señor
@gregchapman2634 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the awesome review
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@chrisreeves8037 Жыл бұрын
Red, informative video and good job. A question have you heard of anyone sharpening drill bits on the outside face of the stone.
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, I have heard of this but never have done it. Sorry about that
@CHIBA280CRV 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job sir thanks
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@FullDottle 2 жыл бұрын
The truing tool is not compatible with the Wen system. When using it you're supposed to have the v groove supported by the positioning arm and on the Wen system doesn't allow this. This means you are solely using the locking screw on a round bar which will allow play in orientation. That won't allow an accurately trued wheel.
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
It did a pretty good job for me... I babied it. Been using this WEN sharpener for a while now with great results.
@nickshadow2622 3 жыл бұрын
Best tip: Don't let your stone freeze. I live with an unheated garage where things freeze. Off subject, don't let your latex paint freeze.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
For sure!
@PLATINIUM1943 4 жыл бұрын
Where I can by the new DIAMOND for the stone using ?
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hello sir. You can search for Tormek Diamond 10" wheels on amazon. I must say though, that I HAVE NOT TRIED THIS MYSELF.... so try at your own risk. I think it will work, but i'm not 100% sure. Verifying the appropriate size hole and axle would be a good idea.
@riboflavinz 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video and review! I love that it was short and to the point. Too many people try to get cute with these things. BTW what is that knife at the 10:51 mark? Looks cool.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Here is video of me making that knife - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLihp6WSzKjemas.html
@simplemanduke7128 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Sir. Just subscribed
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah! Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed it!
@jeffcarpenter1891 4 жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING !!!
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jeff, Glad you liked it!
@gradymcnutt2247 4 жыл бұрын
Good review thank you sir
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Grandy!
@Feathers147 11 ай бұрын
Keeping the curve edge of the blade near the laser line seems logical but I did notice the honing angle changes considerably, does this affect the sharpness or thickness of the the edge of the blade thus changing the durability?
@RedBeardOps 11 ай бұрын
If you have a variance in angle then the edge geometry will change. Which will change the effectiveness of cutting and durability
@mojimx1116 2 жыл бұрын
I’m confused when you were sharpening the way it was spinning your way from the way the water was coming off shouldn’t roll away from you when you’re sharpening
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
You can go either way. I like coming towards me. This reduces the size of the bur that needs to be removed.
@UncleSarkis 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if the rikon, jet and grizzly versions are actually out of the same factory wen is out of?
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Man I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised...
@oldrustycars 2 жыл бұрын
I saw your video and bought one. Got it yesterday, practicing on old knives. I have it sitting in an old half sheet baking pan to contain the water. I notice you have the wheel running towards the knife, Wen says have it going away from the knife. You opinion please? Thank you.
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
I like it coming towards the knife... seems to produce a smaller bur - Cheers sir!
@jamesbenic 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos have been a huge help to me, what angle do you set for sharpening hunting knives vs kitchen knives? Thanks
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Somewhere between 18 and 20 degrees for most of my knives. Cheers James
@John-xk7uo 4 жыл бұрын
Is everything still good to go with this machine today 2/18/20
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Yep - 100%
@John-xk7uo 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks
@Fairchild_forge 4 жыл бұрын
Quick question. How does one set specific angles for sharpening different styles of knives such as kitchen vs outdoor knives?
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle, this is what I use. Works great - amzn.to/39NLzbT
@Fairchild_forge 4 жыл бұрын
Red Beard Ops thanks man that's awesome!
@olechuga2 3 жыл бұрын
So if you purchased this WEN model as a cheaper alternative to a Tormek, then used Tormek accessories, --> where were "the savings" achieved on this "hodge-podge"?
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Oscar, the savings is found in not having to buy a $800+ dollar machine! So far this guy has performed pretty well for me. I can't complain.
@CagedSUPERMAN 2 жыл бұрын
Can you bring a freshly made knife to an edge with this? Because I leave a flat edge on the knives till I finish them.
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I use this to bring a 0.010'' flat edge to a knife edge
@FrenchieFrench1555 Жыл бұрын
I have a question about the Wen; it seems to me that when using the guide bar to sharpen chisels against the rotation of the wheel, the guide bar is too short on the left side. I cannot use about 3/8" to 1/2' of thew grinding wheel on the left side because the hand plane blade support falls off of the guide . Do I do something wrong? Thank you for your help.
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Hello sir, I've honestly never used it on anything other than knives. Sorry I don't have any advice for you.
@beanieweenie9543 3 жыл бұрын
What is the difference in the wen BG4270 for $125 and the wen 4270 for 275 and can’t find a difference in the description?
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Same machine, I think. Go with the cheaper link!
@titansfan2104 3 жыл бұрын
You said alot of people have balancing issues. If you let a grind wheel sit in water, it will load up on that side and cause balancing issues!!
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
For sure! Maybe that was their issue! Mine has been great. Still going strong.
@irvingnava3061 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, could you please tell me the measurements of the stone, I know that it is 250 mm in diameter, but what is the measurement of width and the measurement of the center of the axis
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Irving, the stone has a 1/2'' arbor hole and is 2'' wide.
@lsittmann 4 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel/video... & Tks Much...!!! Have had same model for several months & have done some of the more simpler modifications as shown after purchase.. On the OTHER: flexible really cool more elegant designs you put insert pics up on screen... Is their a place to procure/purchase??? Or were these Saturday mechanic foxfire remedies??? If so, then where might one acquire triangle aluminum stock THAT SIZE or the split shank washer with welded round stock doodad thingy??? (real names please)... Any other suggestions you may have would be even further help (more so) than you've so kindly provided already... Tks Again...
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Yes sir, I learned about those jigs here - www.tormek.com/forum/index.php?topic=3780.0
@bobjohnson8447 3 жыл бұрын
The truing tool no longer fits, I assume there were some design changes in one, the other, or both. Also, the Wen jig designs have changed to a lower profile nob. However, I just bought mine and haven't used it yet so we'll see if that issue still exists, but i suspect not as the nobs are very low profile now.
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know, sorry about that Bob
@luizdiaz5196 4 жыл бұрын
Great demo
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@robertmunguia250 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if those tormek reversible base work on the WEN? Oh is there any low profile thumb screws for that bolt that interferes when you flip it over? M6 1.0?
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure! Sorry about that
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