The term limit is not about not trusting the voters but about fearing people in power would rig the election to stay in power forever, but with just two terms, it’s not worth the risk.
@JackRileyD Жыл бұрын
Then elections should be more vigilant, and protected. It's wrong to deny the voice of the people because someone MIGHT start rigging elections. If the will of the people is ignored, then revolt against the rigger. You have this kind of corruption right now, but instead of the right one person, they just string along 20 people that suit them best.
@bobagorof Жыл бұрын
Two terms for the President, but not for the House or Congress...
@junheceta268 Жыл бұрын
As I recall, what finally galvanized the term limits initiative was FDR winning a fourth term when already seriously ill, leading him to make extremely poor decisions that benefited Stalin, and then later dying.
@clcortelyou Жыл бұрын
Term limits have brought more corruption to Michigan over the last thirty years because when you shove all the experienced legislators out of the government, bills get written by lobbyists and paid advocates who end up knowing the system better than the endless stream of newbies elected on the premise that outsiders with the money to pay for their campaigns are the best way to go.
@sokonek12 ай бұрын
@@bobagorofand I think we should repeal that. Think of how different things would be if Obama could have run for a third term
@kaicreech73364 жыл бұрын
"That was actually your mom, Josh." "Oh SHI-"
@rgwak6 жыл бұрын
3:14 I love how the speech audience cheers right after Josh hangs up.
@player125346 жыл бұрын
Ro G Sorkinism at it's best
@Nancy-xg9nc4 жыл бұрын
Magic.
@nfinn428 жыл бұрын
I love how Sam juices Josh up before the call. He knew exactly what Josh would do. Man I miss this show. It was the best show on politics there ever was.
@thepablorz7 жыл бұрын
It was one of the best shows on being a decent human being there ever was.
@nfinn427 жыл бұрын
Damn right!
@cwhoff2906 жыл бұрын
nfinn42 - I totally agree. The writing & acting were legendary. I'm a conservative & I still believe it was truly one of the best TV shows of all time.
@nahm00023 жыл бұрын
Try Newsroom
@UNIT294 Жыл бұрын
@nahm0002 Newsroom was epic too, as only Aaron Sorkin could do. West Wing, however, is truly a timeless masterpiece.
@MascotWP3 жыл бұрын
Campaign finance reform in American Politics. It's nice to indulge in a little fantasy story every now and again. Maybe they'll have dragons in the next season.
@bobojo373 жыл бұрын
My headcanon is that the reason the GOP Congress never screwed the Bartlet Administration badly is because the reformers he appointed did their job.
@lizziebkennedy75052 жыл бұрын
Someone’s got to lead and it ain’t the donkey or the elephant.
@lizziebkennedy75052 жыл бұрын
@@bobojo37 who wouldn’t have voted for Bartlet. Only the beltway GOP and the hill people and the latter ain’t registered.
@EmilioReyes_97 Жыл бұрын
"You asked me to buck him up" "Now I'm telling you to leave him alone" I think it was around this moment when I began to realize Josh was indeed, the Democrats WarDog. He's like an animal you gotta reign in and hype up once in a while when the game gets REALLY afoot. And the best part is that Josh knows he, he's proud of it...and loves every minute of it.
@tyranusfan7 жыл бұрын
I love how the Senator sounds more like a mobster than a senator. :)
@florian85996 жыл бұрын
And then gets owned on the phone - with just a few words. LOL!
@RetailRealEstate5 жыл бұрын
It's Belker from Hill Street Blues
@christelheadington11365 жыл бұрын
Nah,it's Belker's evil twin.
@conorcorrigan7655 жыл бұрын
All the Republicans on this show look like Sopranos characters...
@KikoJonesUSA5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, Tyranusfan.
@user-co9wi2lj2jАй бұрын
Every Sorkin's shows are an ideal version of a subject, here politics, like an utopia.
@michaelvidal19715 жыл бұрын
I note that Donna is the only assistant that bis always with her boss at these events. It is almost like she is a trusted adviser.
@conorcorrigan7655 жыл бұрын
Or because, you know, she's a lead character...
@paulwagner6885 жыл бұрын
Because Josh can't do a thing without Donna. It is known.
@AndreAFirenze5 жыл бұрын
as assistant to the Deputy Chief of Staff, she's the Deputy-Deputy Chief of Staff :-)
@woodyellen19994 жыл бұрын
1:07 = Carol CJ's assistant
@randymoffatt56344 жыл бұрын
Because the show was about the growth of two women, CJ and Donna Moss.
@yodaguy69565 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the directors cut of the other end of that phone call
@mc764 жыл бұрын
I could not take Bruce Weitz seriously in that role. I kept seeing him with fingerless gloves, a five-day growth, and a half smoked cigar.
@NT-fo3me4 жыл бұрын
And growling in some perp's face.
@r5t6y122 жыл бұрын
Whereas Matt Perry played a very convincing role as Joe Quincy.........former clerk to one the justices of the U. S. Supreme Court
@jeffchandler9683 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest moments for Lyman
@finalrestcelebritygravesin39202 жыл бұрын
'the call?' 'on the cell' lol looking back, it's kinda funny some of the writing. but that is where tech was at the time. but the BEST show ever on television. I miss TWW
@donkeyears4704 Жыл бұрын
as much as i love this show, and it's an all time great, i never understood his position against term limits. all elected officials need term limits to keep them from having the power of kings and queens. we need to extend term limits to all elected officials including the supreme court, senators, etc.
@cyndyturner85115 жыл бұрын
Belker is back hairball
@UNIT294 Жыл бұрын
*growling noises*
@briane57062 жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s Aaron Sorkin who should run for President as he imbued all of the virtues and vices of his West Wing characters.
@Egilhelmson Жыл бұрын
Yeah, we really need a coke fiend as President. You are confusing the writer with the contents of his scripts.
@AndreAFirenze6 жыл бұрын
Josh Lyman For President :-)
@johnobrien75625 жыл бұрын
He doesn't want to be the guy. He wants to be the guy the guy counts on.
@stainlesssteelfox15 жыл бұрын
@@johnobrien7562 Josh Lyman for Chief of Staff.
@BradyPostma4 жыл бұрын
Still, whoever Josh Lyman thinks is the guy, it'd be nice to have him on the ballot in November.
@michaelvidal19714 жыл бұрын
Surely you mean Donna Moss For President with Josh Lyman as Vice President.
@BradyPostma4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'd like to see Kate as President. But it'll never happen
@90Mriley16 жыл бұрын
Which episode is this please?
@nilsky956 жыл бұрын
90Mriley1 “Mandatory Minimums”. Season 1, episode 20.
@stevechance1504 жыл бұрын
We absolutely do need term limits.
@dustbinfilms3 жыл бұрын
We do. They are called elections.
@christopherweber94643 жыл бұрын
The founders knew what they were doing and it is true that you get the government you deserve. If the people of the nation continue to vote for incompetence, incompetence is what they shall have.
@SpydeyDan Жыл бұрын
Term limits don't change much. You just get a different face with the same policies and the same people pulling the strings. They project the illusion of change without providing anything of actual substance. If anything, term limits make it easier for corruption to fester, because they allow the deeper issues to be ignored. The only thing that can actually root out entrenched corruption in politics is an educated and engaged electorate. That's why both education and voting rights are things that are staunchly opposed by the corrupt.
@danwallach88262 ай бұрын
We need money reform. Only way we get is with a new Supreme Court. Not the one that approved Citizens United. The worst decision since Dred Scott, but before Dobbs.
@jimreily7538Ай бұрын
@@danwallach8826 Citizens United. One of the top 5 worst decisions, by one or the top 5 worst courts ever. The instability in modern US politics can largely be traced back to that disgraceful decision, as so much misery can be traced back to Dred Scott, the Taney Court and the Fugitive Slave Act.
@philiphughes95563 жыл бұрын
If there were term limits, then when a politician reached that limit, their name wouldn't be on a new election ballot... So, elections are not the same as term limits ..
@danielk57802 жыл бұрын
In Ancient Athens, the terms of members of the council of 500 that prepared the meetings of the ekklesia, were limited. If I remember correctly, someone could be reelected once, but not further. While that was no problem for the highly populated inner districts of athens-city, the outer districts with a much lower population density had troubles filling those positions, considering that they were not paid much for that and had to travel long distances, leaving them with less time for their actual work. That lead to a point where the council was dominated by the inner districts on an intellectual level and thus setting agendas that did not necessarily took into account the needs of the outer districts. This problem would be similar in the US if we were to introduce term limits for members of the US House or the US Senate. The intellectual independence of members of those democratic bodies would be diminished. There would be more new members who would have to "learn" the job. With very harsh term limits like in Athens, the legislature would have to figure out how to do their job at the beginning of every session. Another problem would be that the skill of drafting legislation would be handed over to lobbyists and staffers. Noone elected those people. So if you want term limits, something like 6 terms for the House and two term for the US Senate would be good, in order to make sure that those bodies can still function. However, the issues with term limits is that they tackle a problem created by a different issue. Gerrymandering made it possible for politician to chose their voters. Instead of introducing term limits that come with a lot of baggage and only somewhat solve the problem, banning partisan gerrymandering and creating a system that creates fair and competitive districts would be the superior solution. However, if you go that far, you might as well go full circle and create a completely new system that's more fair and better controllable by the people than the current one. But to use the words of Winston Churchill: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other systems we already tried."
@jimreily7538Ай бұрын
@@danielk5780I think the best system is direct democracy. Like jury duty, citizens would be paid to serve in large elected bodies not unlike those in Athens. As for drafting legislation - it's already written by advisors and lobbyists. The tea party Congress was full of witless cranks. Many remain. A representative democratic republic fails when it's representatives stop representing people and start representing those with money and power. You can't walk into your reps office and expect a meeting, or book one, though you should be able. A lobbyist from some big company can, any time and every time. Reformist legal scholars talk about overcomplicated codes, and they're right. The issues of term limits and writing laws would need to be addressed, as can other problems. Right now we're like gamblers losing money on the slot machines, throwing good money after bad and hoping for the big win. It won't come. Meanwhile, the price of education is exorbitant, leaving most people excluded from any school let alone the best ones. Most, almost all the problems in the current political system would be solved by direct democracy and simple legal language. Clearer laws. No pork. Fairness and equity, where people vote, instead of choose people to vote for them. Most people have no clue what their representatives do, day in and day out. They stump, canvass, get elected and especially in the Senate with its absurd seniority laws, they stay elected. 6 years turns into 60. How many senators retire ? Most seem to die in their position. Direct democracy can work, does work in various forms in other nations and should at least be considered, or trialled in some way. The notion that laws must be complex, arcane and obfuscatory has been too long accepted. As jury duty ensures citizens are engaged with the legal system, direct democracy would ideally do the same for the political system.
@sands7779 Жыл бұрын
For those against corporates and billionaires buying politicians and judges, ask your representative about HR1 act which had provisions on campaign finance reform and disclosures on dark money donated by corporates and billionaires via super pacs and 501c4 political advocacy nonprofits.
@gheller22612 ай бұрын
At the beginning of this scene, Jeb sounds like a Republican. I always laugh when politicians say that the voters are smart enough to make their own decisions. Of course we know that for most people that's not true.
@pauldockree9915 Жыл бұрын
Take a look at The Glad Summer book cover. Published 1951. Yes the young heroine is saying here comes that Ragamuffin Nicholas Harbourne to...anywho. she Joanne threw the heroes hat over that wall her wall and here comes her reward. Not straight reporting no salaciousness? I feel someone is sayin do you follow? Robert Shaw Richard Dreyfuss and Roy Schneide and JAWS JAWS JAWS not whose whose whose! Okay. Some subtext😊 the Glady summer. Indian Summers. Yeah. So far I have followed the script but who benefits? The pupils are not learning are they PUPILS not named IRIS Murdoch.
@lughildana4 жыл бұрын
Disagree with him on term limits honestly
@jamesstewart5564 жыл бұрын
"When the playing field is level and fair.." That's the part to focus on.
@lughildana4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesstewart556 it's never going to be fair. Even if money is taken out of the equation. Some people are born handsome, more charismatic, better manipulators. Life isn't fair and equitable, it never will be
@jamesstewart5564 жыл бұрын
@@lughildana Some people see a problem and quit immediately. I don't think Aaron Sorkin creates TV shows for that type of person, though.
@MascotWP3 жыл бұрын
Agree with this. Term limits are a guard rail against autocracy. The first thing a dictator for life in Latin America or Africa does is pass a constitutional ammendment removing term limits. Removing term limits is a big red flag. They may not be ideal, but the specter of autocracy must be fought with all the weapons we have, even blunt ones.
@jebprendergast1013 жыл бұрын
@@MascotWP Agreed, especially when you consider that most of our political leadership is in their 70s and 80s - an age when, if it was our mom or dad, we’d start to worry about their ability to even care for themselves.
@ReelThingFilms995 жыл бұрын
the funny and too great
@SLagonia Жыл бұрын
"When the process is fair..." It's not. That's why we need term limits. I voted for a senator I hated last election because the other party couldn't be bothered to put a better candidate up, and there's representatives like that all over the country.
@KyleMiddleton7 Жыл бұрын
Even if it did all work, why not also have term limits? Would we really be lost without the few hundred leaders in power now? Surely each and every year should bring new people ready to meet the challenge.
@stonecoldku4161 Жыл бұрын
"I get nervous around laws that fundamentally assume that Americans can't be trusted." Any NRA person would then ask, "Then why are you trying to take away our guns?"
@firstname43373 ай бұрын
YES ! exactly
@Dan2108712 ай бұрын
"I need to arm myself with the kind of weapon that only makes sense in a battlefield" is a manifestation of lack of trust in other Americans, in and of itself.
@AldousHuxleysCat Жыл бұрын
Term Limits Now!
@justinwellington64483 жыл бұрын
Centre spelt correctly? Thought this is an American show?
@jacklinton48853 жыл бұрын
Getting stuck up on American vs British spelling is just beating a dead horse...find a better joke (and I say that as a New Zealander who uses British spelling most of the time), but I was interested in why it used the British spelling here - I searched for the particular hotel and can't actually find a Sheraton Centre/Center Hotel DC - the main one that pops up is in Toronto, which would obviously use the British spelling. I wonder if the writers took the Canadian one and "moved" it to DC, or maybe there's an older one that google doesn't find as easily with some historical reason to use the British spelling. If it's just made up I would have expected the American spelling - particularly as Sheraton is an American company. Or maybe it was just a typo?
@justinwellington64483 жыл бұрын
@@jacklinton4885 standards always matter
@jacklinton48853 жыл бұрын
@@justinwellington6448 Sure, and the British standard says one thing while the American standard says another...the US has enough shit going on that you can look down on, taking issue with spelling just makes you look like a pompous high school student who just found out that different people speak different ways. Are you snobbish about accents as well? What about full on dialect changes?
@flyboy152 Жыл бұрын
Some places in the US like to be pretentious and use the Brit spelling.
@almostfm6 жыл бұрын
We've got to have limits on what kind of light bulbs people can buy, because we can't trust them to make the right choice.
@zedmarks6 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that a person's life is a lot more important than a light bulb, and being a judge is quite different from a guy browsing the electronics section of a Walmart.
6 жыл бұрын
That's exactly right. The dumb cocksuckers would still be using 150watt bulbs where 7 watts would do.
@ThorsteinKlingenberg5 жыл бұрын
And we do. That's why old wasteful bulbs are banned and energy saving LED ones are in.
@srkh89663 жыл бұрын
Think about the Civil Rights Act.
@DonaldMele4 жыл бұрын
I like this show a lot... Huge fan but they sometimes seem so rude for such articulate and educated people. In the real life, you don't talk to senators like that
@NT-fo3me4 жыл бұрын
You've had a lot of discussions with senators as a senior White House aide, have you? What makes you think that powerful and educated people can't be just as vulgar and smarmy as anybody else?
@brians48now3 жыл бұрын
In the real world do senators threaten senior White House personnel?
@yao0523 жыл бұрын
The senator was asking for it. All the Bartlett administration wanted to do was name 2 campaign finance reformers in the Federal Election Commission. Josh and Sam went to the Republicans to feel their temperature. The Republicans who control Congress in the show then threatened to pass legislation after legislation on controversial issues if Bartlett went ahead with the nominationa. (Flag burning, English as national language etc.etc.) How else were they proposed to respond?
@50srefugee4 жыл бұрын
"I get nervous around laws that fundamentally assume that Americans can't be trusted." And yet, Jed, you and your staff believe wholeheartedly in gun control, which at its roots is not about controlling guns--it's about controlling people.
@ryuhitsuya214 жыл бұрын
Certains and certain people. Or do you think grenade launchers should be commerically available just because the 2nd ammendment said you can join a militia if the other 12 colonies had any funny ideas
@50srefugee4 жыл бұрын
@@ryuhitsuya21 The second amendment forbids the government from interfering with a right the people are assumed to have. As to what constitutes "arms", that's another issue, but I'm willing, for the sake of discussion, to exclude crew-served weapons. And, just for you, grenade launchers, RPGs, and the like, allowed only with training and licensing. In exchange, jr. high and high schools will make militia classes a requirement for graduation, and actual enrollment in an organized state or local militia entitles you to the current standard issue Army assault rifle. (Constitution, Article I, section 8, clause 16.) Sure, semi-auto only, I guess--I''m open to compromise. For, as I say, the sake of discussion.
@satanclaus12854 жыл бұрын
@@50srefugee Hey Americans killing Americans what's not to like, win win as far as I'm concerned......
@annoyedbysignups4 жыл бұрын
Actually, Josh himself states he's actually ready to accept a lot of different positions on gun control as being "perfectly valid" in an earlier episode and we never see what Leo and Toby and the others think about gun control, actually. Also, you do realize that ALL laws are about controlling people, right? That's all a law does. It tells people what to do or not to do. That's why we have them. To control people. So try again. Actually, don't. I won't be responding.
@jcrodriguez63245 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how Republicans were portrayed as such villains in the first seasons lol. Good thing they moderated that after Sorkin.
@136jab4 жыл бұрын
not really, the shutdown arc was post Sorkin, and anyway if you don't want to be called a villain you shouldn't act like a cartoon version of one like the modern republicans are wont to do.
@slp19644 жыл бұрын
Ainsley Hayes and Cliff Calley were Sorkin Republicans, as were Joe Quincy and Jack Reese.
@khriss867 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I am liberal but the first two statements were garbage. Judges can't be trusted to give equal sentences for two reasons: statistically it has been shown that rich white defendants get better sentences overall, and the laws that are passed give worse treatment to minorities than they do to others, such as the difference in sentencing between cocaine and crack cocaine. Term limits are needed because the supreme court has basically said that it is legal for the state legislatures to create voting districts which eliminate the opposition. So democrat majorities can dilute the republican districts and republican majorities can dilute the democrat districts in their respective states. When term limits are eliminated it brings the threat of authoritarianism. If it wasn't a problem then we would not have had so many presidents that have been elected while losing the popular vote. Another good reason for term limits is because government officials hide their acts. They classify something horrible that has happened as top secret and the voting public never gets that information. How can it be a true democracy if the leaders hide their actions from the voters? Responses to this (if there are any) will probably be that "The West Wing" was a fictional show, but the truth is that real life politicians are out there defending judges that give unequal sentences as well as defending states that are disenfranchising voters by diluting their districts. Not to mention the politicians that classify information so it cannot be released to the public to be judged.
@davidweihe60522 ай бұрын
Perhaps you do not remember, but the higher sentences for Crack were largely proposed and strongly supported by the Black Leadership because they expected that it would reduce Black cocaine use, since Crack was believed to be the way that they consumed it. Perhaps a mistake, but not designed to increase Black incarceration, nor over white levels.