Same.

How is the low end extension on the 12.2 ?

Erin, I have an old pair of Polks that have exactly that crossover dip. Might just be crossover design carelessness or insufficient bandwidth of drivers on a 2-way ? Idk..

Would you let me know what amplifier you used with 12.2?

​@@shipsahoy1793 The 12.2 has a better bass extension but the midbass is soft. I will change them. They are lovely for jazz, blues but not for rock.

Hey, let me know what you think. They’re very different Speakers, but both are pretty good in their own right. I’ll be curious what you wind up thinking about the comparison between them. 👍

@ErinsAudioCorner ok, so only two days in on the wharfedale diamond 12.2, and I will say that I'm very happy them. Compared to the klipsch rp600m II, these sound much warmer and not shrill on the treble as I experienced with the klipsch. I don't think I'll go back to klipsch for vinyl listening, for surround in my theater room? The klispch will do just fine. I'm not an audiophile by any means, but I know what I like to hear in my speakers, and the wharfedale gives that to me. Well balanced, smooth, is the word I would use to describe them. My listening room is in my finished basement, 11 feet wide, 15 feet long, and 7 feet high. Running my sl1200MK2, denon pma-600ne intigrated amp and a nagaoka mp-110 cartridge.

My results show the hump with both my NFS BNC mic and my Earthworks M23 (which I use for my NF MTON measurements) I went to look at Amir’s data. I noticed his contour plot shows the mic wasn’t placed at the center of the tweeter (it looks offset by about 5 degrees). Maybe that’s what’s causing the difference. Also his NF driver measurements shows a mild peak at the tweeter around 11kHz. Not sure what else would cause his results to differ. But that’s what I see. Looks like his vertical is a bit off dead on-axis as well. 🤷‍♂️

Have you seen that he bought Epos, and is designing a new line of Epos speakers? As for the discrepancy in measurements, it's the same on the Elac B6.2. They are very similar below 10khz on both the on axis and EIR curves, but Amir shows them rolling off quickly above 10khz, while Erin doesn't show them rolling off until around 15khz. I trust Erin more.

@@DougMen1 slight difference in mic they use? Maybe Amir uses midway between drivers as axis? But drivers they also have tolerances, but this seems to be more of a measurement related issue.

Yeah, I tent agree with you, slight dip makes a lot of material more listenable, especially on female vocals, since most microphones used today are on the bright side of neutral.

Can't agree more with you, 12.1 has been a dead horse beaten by so many reviewers. This review just confirms other reviews, no new information is provided.

@@swllz No new info. Ok, right, everyone else used a Klippel and combined objective data to back up subjective!? You even watch?

No experience with them. If someone wants to loan me a pair to review, I’d be happy to.

It’s $150 more here in the US. I’d be happy to review them if you want to arrange a pair to be sent to me, though. :)

Hi Mike. Which Focal did you end up with? Was it the 936K2?

@@DougMen1 Hey DM 👍 I got (in the end) the Focal Aria 936 K2s. They came in via a customer of the dealer with some minor chip-damage at one speaker. Negotiated a fair price and via spot-repair like new. Only one caveat and that's the yellow cones (not my thing), but the fronts conceal it perfectly 😄

Hi mate. How you getting on with the 12.2's. I swapped out the brass link plates. Made a slight improvement. Might want to give it a go😊

According to an above comment, the designer indeed calls it a BBC dip.

The BBC dip is awful anywhere. I prefer the sound of my iPad in that regard.

I would like to see the Polk on Klippel, since there is so much talk about the R series. XTZ - this is new to me. As for Focal, most likely it will have the Focal house sound, 'brightish' kind of tuning due to inverted metal tweeter dome.

I don't think overrated is the correct word. They have a certain sound signature that's important for people to be aware of, but it's not inherently a negative.

Mine is xtz 99.25. Love it but need space to sound good.

@@johankamarudin5155 I own the older version 99.26.

Ha! I called them earlier to price match Amazon (I bought these from CF last month). After some back and forth they agreed. They must’ve changed the price after that. Y’all are welcome! 😂😂

@@ErinsAudioCorner I just saw it today on their website

i got my 225's for 200 dollar new, wondering if Wharfedale cant make a winner budget speaker, 12.1 should cost no more than 200 dollar.

May be pandemic inflation is over, all speakers increased price from 2020 to 2021 and 2022 even if they are exactly same speakers. The house prices are coming down already.

Yep, a LOT of European speakers (and amps) cost a LOT more in the US than there- B&W, Focal, everything from IAG (Wharfedale, Mission, Quad, Audiolab), Monitor Audio, and more. The exceptions are KEF and Elac, which are only slightly higher here in the US. The worst are B&W, Monitor Audio, and Focal, which cost 2x here what they cost over there

I think it would be OK as a surround speaker.

@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks

What issues do you have with the 12.3/12.4?

i had same experience with that speaker, but i did not notice it when i bought it, it was all rose tinted glasses back then. now i had a chance to experience more speakers and it like you said, i hope speaker at that price point has improved.

@@sudd3660 I owned to MANY speakers in that price range: Elac b6.2, Infinity r162, and Micca rb42. The only two I kept for a long time were the jbl stage a130 and the emotiva b1+. Those are the only two that don't have any blaring audible problems and have enough liveliness in the mids and highs to make pop/rock/rap music sound exciting without it being too piercing in the highs. You must use a sub with those two because neither has anywhere near enough bass. I recommend small subs like 8inch because they fill in the midbass better than bigger ones. I listen mostly on a desktop btw. I want to try active DSP speakers next because I read that they're superior to passives. PA speakers are the absolute best for energetic music though.

​@@anaxa4883 i am from nearfield setup also, and i have had some active and powered speakers, they sound really good but all of them had hiss noise. would not call them superior even if they had no hiss, the benefit is the dsp parametric eq you can apply. i just went for a minidsp shd studio, i use it for preamp/volume control, room correction, main and subwoofer crossover. then from that into dac's and power amps. now i have real-time dsp i can adjust, complete with time delay. way beyond any powered subwoofer can do.

@@anaxa4883 DSP can do cool things. But it can also makes things alot worse. Many Bluetooth speakers that make absolutely horrid use of it. Like limiting output/volume to try and prevent clipping when it's not necessary. Ultimately leads to having less control over your own purchases. Think of any active/powered speaker as a Smartspeaker. 😉

I’ve emailed them but didn’t get a reply. If you want to reach out to them on my behalf feel free.

@@ErinsAudioCorner Triangle's speakers are known for being inaccurate. They probably want nothing to do with you 😁

I’d like to see a review of the Diamond 220 or/and the Diamond 225. Interested in the Klippel measurements and how they relate to what Erin is hearing. I’m still saving for the Wharfedale Lintons. I always liked the sound of Wharfedale speakers. I remember hearing the original Lintons and being blown away.

@@normanham6142 the 220 has been klippeled on ASR

@@AbsoluteFidelity Thanks Mark. I’ll check it out. 👍🏼

I don’t particularly recall thinking they seemed smaller than a 5” midwoofer. But I see how someone could.

If you want to cover the cost of 12.2’s and send them to me, I’ll review them. As for your metric of 3dB, that’s not factual. You can’t simply assume larger means higher sensitivity.

@@ErinsAudioCorner From all reviews I have read, all single 5.25 woofer bookshelf speakers have limited output, no ifs, buts ands. All single 6.5 woofer bookshelf speakers from the same speaker line have at least 3 db more output. No replacement for displacement, no body has yet to break that rule.

@@swllz That’s a separate topic from what you just said about speakers with 6.5 inch drivers having 3dB higher sensitivity. That comment is patently incorrect. The size of the driver has absolutely nothing to do with it sensitivity. For example, all 8 inch drivers do not have the same sensitivity just as all 5 inch drivers do not have the same sensitivity. Period. 👍

I have A LOT of experience with popular passive bookshelves and the Kali lp6v2 probably can't be beat by a passive setup in its pricerange. Active DSP'ed crossovers like in the Kali's are superior to passive crossovers. The additional DSP gives the Kali more bass than nearly any passive in its cabinet/driver size. I have personally never heard the Kali's, but anyone with a lot of knowledge of passive vs active bookshelf speakers will tell you the same. Just look at the measurements. One problem is that if you want to add a sub at some point, I have no idea how easy that is with the Kali's - but adding a sub and fine tuning your high-pass is easy with passives.

Kind of what I was thinking and appreciate the feedback! Guessing you'd probably have to spend at least double to get the performance of something like a Kali LP6 and even then would be a challenge for a passive. Where passives when easily is in aesthetics though the Kali LP6, especially in white, is a pretty nice looking speaker. Passives also much more easily integrate with TVs and home theaters with receiver acting as volume control and surround processor. Receivers with preouts are disappearing quickly or very expensive. I think there's a need for more TV friendly/soundbar connections such as optical in powered monitors and I think Kali is considering just that-looking forward to it if they do! I still think there's space in the market for a nice looking speaker like a Monitor Audio, Kef or Jamo but with the internal dsp and power of a powered studio monitor. I know Kef has the LS50 but it's 4 times the price of the Kalis. Fluance and Klipsch have some offerings too but they're not true Studio monitor style dsp and bi-amping, though they are convenient with remote volume controls. Headphone and aux outs on TVs are rare in some cases. So basically waiting for someone to produce a Kali LP6 with optical input, remote control for volume, bass and treble and maybe a slightly nicer cabinet (though already pretty nice and modern looking) for around $500ish. I think Kali will end up doing it but for now there is nothing.

@@st.thomas5802 Just as Erin recommended the Kali LP-6 V2 and IN-5/8 V2, I do as well. I've heard them all and currently own & use the IN-8V2. I'm pretty sure that all of them are available in white or black now, too. The price/performance ratio and entry level pricing of the LP-6 V2 is nearly impossible to beat with comparably priced passive bookshelves, especially considering you don't need a separate amplifier to power them. To take advantage of your HDTV's digital optical output, and to have a Remote with Volume Control for the powered studio monitors, add the tiny but very high performance Topping E30 II DAC/preamp. $149 on Amazon (use Erin's Affiliate Links). It will also provide system versatility as it has a USB input for direct computer audio, as well as both Toslink Optical and Coaxial digital inputs. The RCA preamp outputs will easily connect to the LP-6 V2 or IN-5/8 V2 with standard RCA interconnects. If you would also like the addition of a physical Volume Knob (in addition to the included remote), plus wireless Bluetooth 5.0 input with LDAC/Apt-X/Apt-X HD, and a very capable Headphone Amplifier, pay $50 more and get the Topping DX3 PRO+. Both are available in silver or black. If you can save a bit longer or have the immediate budget for the more expensive IN-5 V2, the extra expense is worth it over the LP-6 V2. But IMPO, even though I own the IN-8V2, they offer very minimal performance advantages over the IN-5V2. You'd be better off adding a separate subwoofer to the IN-5V2 or LP-6V2. Simply utilize "Y" RCA adapter cables from the Topping preamp outputs to split the signal to the main monitors and to the subwoofer/subwoofer amp inputs. HTH!

Yes. Very similar, if I recall correctly.

KEF R3 are definitely going to have better overall sound but they will definitely not go as low in bass as Lintons simply because Lintons' woofer is soo much larger. But you can add a subwoofer later (or maybe you already have one) to R3 which will take care of the bass. This will add even more to already higher price of R3 but this is the road to really good sound quality. And it's not that R3s do not have the bass, it's just not going to be as low as with Lintons which actually really improves the overall impression of the sound when you have lower bass - you don't necessarily hear those super low frequencies but they add weight and realism to what you hear. Not that Lintons can go as low as any entry level subwoofer on the other hand. I'd say get R3 if you have the money but if you have any chance to listen to at least one of your options before you buy definitely do it.

One more thing: radiation pattern of Lintons is noticeably wider which means you'll get wider soundstage with them going quite a bit outside the actual speakers which is a fun effect but as the radiation pattern is quite uneven you won't get much of "disappearing" effect when you don't hear the sound going from speakers but rather just existing in the air in front of you. The wider soundstage comes at a price: localization of instruments in space is less precise and also the soundstage is more shallow. If you listen to less complex music like classic rock or pop or electronic dance music wider soundstage could be a lot of fun but if you like music with a lot going on at the same time (symphonic classical, big band jazz, complex ambient, art/prog rock, some more complex funk/soul/RnB like late Prince or Curtis Mayfield) you could need the soundstage precision of R3 to better hear the interaction of all these many sounds in such recordings).

@@AntonMochalin thanks for your reply man.its quite complicated i will go with tour chooice.plz let me know wich one you choose if you have these 2 option and let the subwoofer out of equation.

@@naveenthakur9303 TBH I don't know because Lintons measurements are good and they are so much cheaper. If I couldn't listen to both before buying to see which are better to my taste I would get KEF R3. For a bookshelf they still have a lot of bass and so many people like them and they will sound good with more or less any music. R3s are I think a safer bet overall, both R3s and Lintons require a good amp (because of impedance drops) and with a good amp R3s will sound very good.

A lot of European speakers cost a lot more here than over there, not just Wharfedale, but all the other IAG brands (Mission, Quad, and their electronics from Quad and Audiolab too), B&W, Monitor Audio, Q Acoustics, and several others. The worst is Focal, and Monitor Audio, which cost twice or more here what they do over there. The Aria 906 is about $1000 US there, and is $2200 here. Their least expensive speaker, the Chora 806, which is about $565 US there, is $1000 here. The Monitor Audio Bronze 50 is about $260 US at Richer Sounds, and are $575 here, while the Bronze 100 are $305 there and $725 here. The exceptions are Elac, Dali, and KEF, which are only slightly higher here.

@@DougMen1 It's probably related with government taxes or audio industry has something specials. I do not see the reason for that. There are all made in China. The shipping cost difference from China to UAS vs Europe is very minimal, does not justify for the difference in price. iphone are made in China and prices are not much different between USA vs Europe.

what 12.1 was sealed, i wonder if that would have helped with the compresion. but then maybe at this price point 5" woofers can not do much.

Some of us like sound that brushes gently against our ears(musicality?),but then some like the sound of a power saw cutting through granite.As with everything this is very subjective.I have the 12.2 and every time I listen to my system(Arcam Alpha 8 amp,Alpha 7 cd player),it amazes me with the beautiful harmonic textures.6 hours later,no listening fatigue.Take care.

We have different definitions of muted apparently. Klipsch sounds like the way you should go

@@CADClicker um no klipsh are to hot there are plenty of brands/speakers in the middle and I've owned both

I drive my diamond 12.1’s with a Vintage Kenwood KR4400. Sounds incredible. The bright sound from vintage Japanese receivers pairs well with these “laid back” speakers.

I would try a doctor!

@@Lusifa666 go to lol sir