Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 review (with Klipsch RP600M, B&W 607 S2, Monitor Bronze 100 comparo)
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3 жыл бұрынSteve gets down with the all-new Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 stand mount! More info here, www.wharfedaleusa.com/collect...
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Decware Zen Triode
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@MrPINKFL0YD 5 ай бұрын
We need more reviewers like Steve! He obviously loces music first and the hifi is a vehicle to bring the music out. Too many put the equipment first and the music is an accessory to them. 🎉
@rojona 3 жыл бұрын
There's no need Steve to make your channel better. Just keep on doing what you've been doing for many years-bringing practicality and common sense to the world of audiophilia. Have a happy and healthy 2021.
@smokeyrivers 2 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of 12.2s, Elac Debut 2.0 6.2's on the cheaper flank, and a pair of Polk R200's on the higher end all lined up in my listening room right now. The clock is ticking on which ones to keep vs. return. When I am almost ready to send back the Wharfedales, I hear a track with which these speakers truly shine. Percussion. Synth. Acoustic Guitar. Piano. Bass. Male Voices. It comes down to this for me: It's a very special speaker for rhythmic music, country music and male acoustic music. It excels at reproducing TV and soundtracks. Not airy enough on the high end for jazz or classical for my tastes. It sounds "limited" in the 8k+ range, in the electronic sense. But when bombs are dropping or Law And Order is going "duh-dung", the 12.2s are in their zone. I think I'll keep them.
@foolgold9464 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I have been considering your short list and you have helped me out here!
@CM-dw3gh Жыл бұрын
@@foolgold9464 did you get the 12.2's? Alpha audio wrote a really poor account on them about distortion at not very high db's.put me off a bit
@phrtao 3 жыл бұрын
Takes me back over 30 years. Wharfedale Diamonds were my first speakers that I owned
@johnsimmons5056 3 жыл бұрын
"Ribbed Driver Enhances Listening Pleasure"......best line ever in one of your videos.
@jonathansturm4163 3 жыл бұрын
That tickled me too :-)
@maxjasmine 3 жыл бұрын
Listed on the Trojan package.
@1mctous 3 жыл бұрын
But is it still effective?
@drazenbabich 3 жыл бұрын
@GeneralCurtis3LeMay We were discussing enhanced ribbed driver pleasure here and you went all serious and technical on us....lol.
@carlosbauza1139 3 жыл бұрын
Ribbed for pleasure is advertised, also, for one anti-conception device.
@robertbuchholz8447 3 жыл бұрын
I'm always getting new music recommendations from Steve - thanks. Great review of the 12.2.
@francescotenti193 3 жыл бұрын
Once again, great review! Lots of choices in the 5-700sh price range, too bad it has become almost impossible to find a store for direct listening and comparison and then choose the best for our ears. I truly miss the "old days"!
@BP-nj6fi 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting you mention the weight. I recently picked up a pair of Klipsch 600-M online based mainly on your reviews. I was swapping out a set of 5.25 Polk RT bookshelfs. The Polks are built like a tank. I was worried about my purchase when the larger Klipsch were lighter. Well, weight isn’t everything. No comparison in the sound. Thanks Steve. I enjoy your channel and appreciate your willingness to serve the entry level audio enthusiast. I can certainly afford the higher end stuff, but I’m very happy in the value sweet spot.
@chrishyde7798 3 жыл бұрын
As you are doing this video and mentioning Grado, in listening to the vid with my Grado SR 125e's. Thank you for all of your work making great content!
@dwymer86 3 жыл бұрын
My first "big boy" speakers were the diamond 8s some 18 years ago. Ran those for 6 or 7 years, they were a decent introduction to higher- end audio.
@jwbrook 2 жыл бұрын
Love your style, Steve. You’re right… There is no such thing as perfect sound as it is extremely subjective. I also very much appreciate that you mention some of the artists you use in your listening process. And, dude… You referenced Leo Kottke and Eraserhead in one review. Kind of makes you feel like an old friend. Keep up the great work.
@Darrylizer1 3 жыл бұрын
Good review as usual Steve. Here's to 2021! I have to say the Joe The Cop episode was pretty amazing. Wow what a system!
@Aswaguespack 3 жыл бұрын
Holiday Shirts add ommph to this Morning’s Presentation. I’m not sure what has jolted me into full awakening this morning, my large mug of Java or the Shirt. I leaning heavily towards the shirt. Excellent morning presentation. These comparisons are very valuable to provide a good starting place for investigating speakers. Too bad that the audio stores with listening rooms are very rare these days. We have lots to look forward to in 2021 most of which is to bury 2020 deep and move forward in hope. Seasons Greetings Steve & Mrs Steve.
@Epokha 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve! Happy new year
@docdeens4030 3 жыл бұрын
Great review as always...don't go changing too much. Happy New Year!
@Mjay1320 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the really good video, you have such a nice way of explaining :) I ordered a pair 12.2 for 310€ today, can't wait to try them out.
@spandel100 2 жыл бұрын
How were they?Also ordered a pair.
@jorgeolafsen4991 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks SteveO. Your a great blend like a warm fire and a cold beer.
@carlosbauza1139 3 жыл бұрын
So, the Wharfedale has a definite character! It is well balanced!
@mikecoffee100 3 жыл бұрын
Look forward to 2021 with Steve
@lynnpoole7830 3 жыл бұрын
Steve , thanks for the heads up regarding the French radio FIP. So much eclectic, fantastic music! Thanks.
@HareDeLune 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! I also just checked it out today. Great radio station.
@mehmetcamat4458 3 жыл бұрын
From your explanation I would go for 12.2 cause you said it I like neutral unforced and good midrange
@jarnojokiharju2589 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve (and everyone else following this amazing channel)! I would love to hear a bit more about how the 12.2s compare with the Bronze 100s. I'm torn between the two (in my region 12.2s go for €375 - Bronze 100s for €450), and no place to directly compare them here up North at the Arctic Circle. :) Thanks and keep up the fine work, sir!
@maestro0428 3 жыл бұрын
Another day, another video! Thanks Steve!
@paulwg2112 3 жыл бұрын
Great! This was the equivalent of a UK reviewer reviewing non-UK speakers. Thanks Steve!
@riccitone 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for comparing though some great acoustic performances. Identifying those differences -in this way- is so telling and informative. Happy Holidays to you guys 🙏🏼
@joriszsz95 3 жыл бұрын
I had the 11.2. I found the sound really warm and sweet. Made me want to listen to them all day. However, they were really hard to place in my room, but not sure if it was the speaker or my room ;). Probably both.
@ThomasSielaff 3 жыл бұрын
Been watching Steve for quite some time now, and as they say in Brooklyn: "What's not to like?" Love this channel!
@HareDeLune 3 жыл бұрын
Well said indeed!
@corkydukeII5898 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad Steve isn't on the beefier side, so we can call him 'Gluttenberg' : )
@richardburnett8595 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve thanks for your reviews I got this number 12. 2 I'm 52 it's a good time to buy audio speakers 6th set all good 👍
@williamgreer4958 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 230 speakers in the summer. They sound a lot like what you said about the 12.2 speakers. I have always loved the more laid back "British" sound and have a Cambridge Audio integrated amp as well. I really like what you say about equipment not being the best as there is no such thing. It is all about what you enjoy the most.
@Atilakus 2 жыл бұрын
I have 12.2 with Cambridge ARX100. Seems that this combo works awesome. If you like mid range for the reason mentioned in the video. You will love the sound they produce
@odwatchguy 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review and comparison to some really nice speakers. I am getting back into audio after years away and this is exactly what I was looking for.
@thetravelingkites 3 жыл бұрын
Me too, Tony. What other components are you considering? I am looking into new receiver and speakers to start.
@odwatchguy 3 жыл бұрын
@@thetravelingkites My brother in law knew that I was missing sounds and gave me his Denon AVR X1200W when he upgraded. My Old system was based around Cornwall ll's and all separates.
@thetravelingkites 3 жыл бұрын
@@odwatchguy Nice. I had a Technics system. The only piece that I still have is a pair of Sound Dynamics 12S speakers, stored in my shed for now. I got them out this year to see if they still worked and they were great! I think that is the moment that sparked my interest to get back into it. Thanks for your reply.
@odwatchguy 3 жыл бұрын
@@thetravelingkites At 65 my hearing can't discern near what this level has to offer. Too many times at the front of live rock concerts.
@thetravelingkites 3 жыл бұрын
@@odwatchguy Yes. Me too. 62 years with concerts and 15 years in a steel mill. Wish I could filter out the ringing. 🤨
@normandyflores554 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year Steve🎉 more power to your channel! Cheers🥂
@DougMen1 3 жыл бұрын
B&W's strong suit has always been the crisp and airy highs that Monitor Audio and Wharfedale don't have. That being said, the Monitor Audio Bronzes I had were very good at disappearing and leaving me listening to the music instead of the sound.
@myself61607 3 жыл бұрын
By coincidence I listened yesterday to John Darko’s interview with the designer of these speakers. 2020 celebrated one hundred years of recorded blues music without which I probably would not have been an audiophile.
@prabinpaudel5572 3 жыл бұрын
Steve you should review harmonicdyne zeus.. I know you'll fall in love with it. 😁
@donaldchamble6897 3 жыл бұрын
Happy holidays Steve and Ms gutenberg
@WHo-vf1oz 2 жыл бұрын
Posted this on another channel hope it helps folks out: i just bought a 12.2 and love it! Thats a huge compliment as my current stable has Kef LS50, Focal chora 816, sonus faber cremona auditor. All at far higher price points. I bought it because it can give me something my other speakers cannot. A warm and relaxed sound that is tonally well balanced and not too exagerated. Sure it can’t match the accuracy and speed of my other speakers but the warm sound can keep me in bliss and listen far longer (and fall asleep on the sofa). What suprised me the most is that the sacrifices in speed, accuracy and top end air is fairly small so am really pleasantly suprised how good budget speakers are these days!.
@hector7878 2 жыл бұрын
Hi !! May I ask you with what amp you have paired the 12.2 , Im thinking to buy a pair and use them with a NAD 356bee , just not sure if would be enough power to make them sing , do you think could be a good match ?
@WHo-vf1oz 2 жыл бұрын
@@hector7878 of the bunch 12.2 its not a difficult speaker to drive but will take on some of the characteristics of your amp i have no experience with NAD
@hector7878 2 жыл бұрын
@@WHo-vf1oz okey good , thank you for respond me 😉
@tothemax324 3 жыл бұрын
Seen Leo Kottke live at the Perth concert hall, his national steel playing real smooth man
@jonathansturm4163 3 жыл бұрын
Saw him play in Australia many years ago. He put a finger behind the nut of his 12-string and bent all 12 strings. Every guitarist in the audience sighed in unison. I also saw his mentor John Fahey when he made his live at the bottom of the world gig over 40 years ago and Richard Gilewitz’s reprise of that event. I very much enjoy the American Primitive guitar style.
@1mctous 3 жыл бұрын
J. Gordon Holt would be pleased. He often said, "get the midrange right."
@francisdelacruz6439 3 жыл бұрын
Happy Holidays 😙
@Uncompletedrecall 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy and agree with your penchant to remind us that a product is not necessarily "better" but different and that we should choose based on liking that different sound. Cheers!
@mattbrooking2146 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your channel and many others only been watching a few months! In that time I’ve upgraded speaker cables and Amplifier 😂 Question for anyone! WHY DOES MUSIC SEEM TO SOUND BETTER AT NIGHT TIME!! 🤔🤔🤔
@hmrowland6114 3 жыл бұрын
I have a new pair of Wharfedale Evo 4.2...I'm sold on the Wharf! Amazing jazz speaker. Steve how does D12.2 compare to D12.1? Many reviewers love them.
@bobvickers4469 6 ай бұрын
Love your reviews.
@brianmorecombe2726 Жыл бұрын
I`m pretty new to the audio appreciation society after getting a couple ive shitty record players i`ve invested in a new music centre and upgraded it.Speaker wise,i started with Wharfedale Diamond 9.1, 75w then went upmarket and got the B&W he`s got in the vid.I played the same record and recorded with each set of spaekers the same tune on my smart phone.B&W has the more real sound,more cleaner but i was blown away how good the Wharfedale was in comparison.Maybe the differences were more because of the positions of each speakers..
@eshwar1276 3 жыл бұрын
Great take! In the end, which ones did you go to?
@ENGBriseB Жыл бұрын
Amazing speakers the 12 series.
@jimomertz 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, a David Lynch fan! Don’t forget his masterpiece work Mulholland Drive.
@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 жыл бұрын
I still don't know what the hell is going on in Mulholland drive, I think I've watched it 6 times 🤔
@drazenbabich 3 жыл бұрын
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Did you fall asleep at the key moment all 6 times? :-)
@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 жыл бұрын
@@drazenbabich Nup
@drazenbabich 3 жыл бұрын
@@crazyprayingmantis5596Sorry to hear. The movie isn't that difficult to understand ans certainly doesn't require more than 6 times viewing to get the plot.
@-MarkWinston- 3 жыл бұрын
Wharfedales are THE BEST when it comes to making lush sweet relaxed sounding speakers. Wharfedales also are not really suitable for people that cant hear well in the higher spectrum but perfect for people with 'normal' hearing.
@MrHubb1 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. Im trying to decide between these and the B&Ws. I live in an apartment and I listen to mostly heavy rock, classic rock and some pop . At the moment I have a JBL extreme 2 but I hate having all the sound in one speaker and no sound stage and the sound is either full of bass and too little trebble or too much which is why I want to go back to an old school set up like I had in the 90s . I want physical volume and treble and bass knobs and speakers that can be separated and are flexible so I can turn them up when the neighbors are out and not disturb people if everyone is home. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you.
@bizyz 3 жыл бұрын
you need to review the tower version of this new series.
@Gnofg 3 жыл бұрын
If you listen to much youtube music FX sound is a subscription service that uncompresses the youtube music. I tested all the different sound enhancers out there and this was the best. I had a lifetime license but I moved to the subscription version. Light processing is the best setting. As most of you know there is no better service than youtube for "live" recordings. I have been to at least 250 concerts dating back to 1966. I saw almost everyone. I saw Cream I passed up "Band of Gypsy's at the Fillmore East. due to a snowstorm on New Year's day in NYC. I was at the closing weekend at the Fillmore with the Allman's and I saw Led Zeppelin's second tour of the U.S at the Singer Bowl. To me live music is the magic.
@martinbroomhead2646 4 ай бұрын
I live in Manchester England and love your channel.
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@mikeshaddock7772 3 жыл бұрын
Any chance you could do more amps. I have my speakers but need more info on different amps
@jackdanyal4329 7 ай бұрын
I just ordered a brand new pair of diamonds 12.2 for 300 euros, B&W 607 S2 costs 340 euros per 1 speaker :)
@user-vy8jn9mc6g 3 жыл бұрын
A nice thing about mellow speakers is that they just play. Don't draw attention to themselves. You start to truly appreciate them when you trade them for something more analytical and annoying )
@user-vy8jn9mc6g 3 жыл бұрын
@GeneralCurtis3LeMay I don't really believe in the sound of "British construction". A thing is a thing, it can be assembled in Mars and it still will sound the same. The brand belongs to IAG. And measurements proof that they know what they are doing. For now I use Wharfedale 230 and I'd call them a speaker where middle frequencies are it's bread and butter. British sound is basically "good sound". Maybe also "mellow sound" cause of the well known "BBC dip".
@user-vy8jn9mc6g 3 жыл бұрын
@GeneralCurtis3LeMay Do you realize that there is such a thing as technology? I have lots of things that is made in China, a really high-tech stuff. Like optics, processors etc. It doesn't matter where stuff is made, if technologically they are made to the same tolerances and QC. I'm perfectly fine with Chinese made products, I have a problem with Chinese tyranny but that is a different story... Lots of manufacturers have Chinese factories nowadays, BW and KEF are perfect examples of high-tech mechanical stuff. And China is not what it was used to be, it's starting to be a technological pioneer, for example my Godox strobes are IMO better than European and American offerings, so are DJI drones. Even Tesla is building a plant there, and they say that Chinese engineers will make their own Teslas. Your thoughts are dated IMO.
@user-vy8jn9mc6g 3 жыл бұрын
@GeneralCurtis3LeMay I say what I think. Being friendly is not my top priority. I try not to be rude but what I'm doing on this page is not your business. You can start your own channel and then say who can speak there and who can not. I don't care about all that Soviet goodies BS, that's from another era, from a fake era by the way, and being Russian I can say that 99.99% of soviet goods were horrible with QC, they are not even close to my Wharfedales that I partly disassembled and I was amazed by how good they are made inside for that price. I've had some famous Soviet speakers and they are as bad as it gets. They sound horrible and they are ridiculously bad in terms of craftsmanship. As I've said, British sound is just an acronym kinda for a good sound basically and the famous BBC dip is part of it. Take care!
@Victorius-ua 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-vy8jn9mc6g so, do you think they are good for the price?
@user-vy8jn9mc6g 3 жыл бұрын
@@Victorius-ua I don't know yet, but I plan to test them somewhere later. I think that Carl Gustav Fink (the designer of this model) was also a creator of popular Q acoustics range, and Wharfedales are know for their cabinet construction and budget hifi, so they might be good.
@ago3241 3 жыл бұрын
How do these compare to older Wharfdale Diamond 225 or PSB Alpha P5 or Triangle BR03?
@BurtWicks 3 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to compare the efforts of Joe the Cop with Ken the Soundman. They both made customer speakers, for custom rooms, and designed and built custom turntables.
@ryanwilliamson7657 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think the 600m is still your personal favorite speaker in this price range 2 years later?
@fletchermunson6225 3 жыл бұрын
Good review. Sound like my kind of speaker. You cant compare everything, but It would be interesting to compare it to the Triangle Borea BRO2 at the same price. I Just hooked a pair up to my TV along with their C1 center channel and those pesky foreign film sound tracks just got a lot more understandable. Nothing worse than a foreign film with overdubbed english.
@edwardandrade4390 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I just got a used a Blue Aura what speaker do you recommend in a budget. The small desk ones i got with it are busted. The model is the V40.
@Drackleyrva 3 жыл бұрын
It's great that 'rich' sounding speakers (and components) are getting more affordable for the average audiophile.
@peterfitton4529 2 жыл бұрын
Does anybody have any opinions on whether these are a significant step up in sound quality from the Diamond 12.1s? In the UK these 12.2s are only £50 more expensive. Also, for a small room would the 12.1s possibly be more suitable? Thanks.
@devarsiratdas1425 2 жыл бұрын
Hallo how do the 12.2 compare with the 220? I can't find any reviews on this? Would it be a big improvement ? Many thanks
@sander3505 3 жыл бұрын
How do they compare to the q3030i?
@tonydeniro284 3 жыл бұрын
The diamond 225's were the best imo...3 reviewers agreed in stereophile, and it won the budget component of the year award in both sterephile and absolute sound. Plus, you can now still buy them for only $299, down from $449! That would be my choice over these more recent 12.2's....
@-MarkWinston- Жыл бұрын
Price aside, the 225s has nothing against the 12s, objectively and subjectively. Ex owner of both.
@doomsday247 Жыл бұрын
@@-MarkWinston- The 225s is objectively and subjectively no different from the 12s except the price?
@-MarkWinston- Жыл бұрын
@@doomsday247 there are full spins of the 12.1 and and the 220. Objectively, the 12 is a better measuring speaker, flat as a baby's bottom with a baked in 'BBC Dip'. Subjectively, the 12 pulls ahead even further, from clarity to soundstage width to bass. The 12 is just a way more resolute speaker. Ex owner of the 12.2 and 225 here.
@craigleslie7615 Жыл бұрын
Great shirt - therefore I respect his opinion straight up.
@user-hp5kg5pg7c 3 жыл бұрын
I found two 8.2, older. Are they actually good?
@ChillburgerXZ 3 жыл бұрын
How do you feel these compare to the ELAC DBR62, Steve?
@BabeTheAstrologer 3 жыл бұрын
Is this the best one?
@DaveKingMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I used to own a pair Ohm C2 speakers that I loved. What would be a comparable replacement for them these days? I have Polk T-60’s now and don’t really like them. Thanks.
@postaudio 3 жыл бұрын
I own refurbished C2s now with new tweeters and super tweeters from Ohm. Very happy. I lined the inside of them with GR Research acoustic foam board and they tightened up considerably in a great way. I also just bought JBL 570s. At jbl on sale for less than half price, and I think they sound great. Top middle and bottom.
@Music-4all 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Steve, How you rank these 3 Bookshelf Speakers - Klipsch RP600M, Wharfedale 12.2 & Polk Reserve 200? Thank you in advance!
@geraldoram2453 Жыл бұрын
Would like to know people’s preferences of these and the Dali Spektor 2s.
@donaldspaulding6973 Жыл бұрын
Accuracy is what I look for. A good speaker will accurately make a crappy recording sound crappy and great recording sound great. Which bookshelf under a grand is the most accurate? BTW- I listen mostly to classical and jazz.
@henrikmolinmail 3 жыл бұрын
Would you try testning a pair of Mission QX-2..?
@rjzlwop3153 3 жыл бұрын
Good evening sir how do you feel about the 12.2 versus V, KLH bookshelf speaker you just reviewed a couple of days ago
@K03sport Жыл бұрын
how much power did they get? everyone says what amp/avr they used, but never gives the RMS of said device. I always have to go look it up and find the info (sometimes). The flat cables are interesting too. for someone like me with a lowly Marantz NR1610 (slim, 50w/ch), will I get similar performance?
@shipsahoy1793 Жыл бұрын
What did you think of the 12.2 compared to an Elac in the same price range?
@FlyGuy457 3 жыл бұрын
Wharfedale Diamond versus Elac Unifi 2.0 ?
@ewanderric4679 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, why don't you take a look at some cabasse speakers?
@philhaha4243 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve love the channel.just got myself the whafedales 220 was on a budget for only £130 uk.what are your thoughts..or should I have saved up a bit more..replacing my mordaunt m10 shorts...
@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 жыл бұрын
I think the 220s are one of the best bang for buck speakers around, they sound great
@themastroiannis 3 жыл бұрын
Had the 220s for a while and found them unrefined and muddy for my taste. highs were extremely rolled off.
@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 жыл бұрын
@@themastroiannis Did you expect refinement for the price?
@marijanbrkic4875 3 жыл бұрын
@@themastroiannis Yes, the Diamond 225's were much better imo. I haven't listened that new 12 series yet.
@jorgenavas6704 4 ай бұрын
Hello! Which integrated amplifier do you recommend? Marantz pm6007 or Denon pma600ne to get started in audiophilia? and watch movies? greetings from Argentina!
@edwardlewandowski 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Diamond 8 surround 7.2 system with 8.4's as the front that I use as 2-channel stereo to listen to music. You nailed the description. Wharfedale Diamond's have a specific sound that is very, very, very British. The highs are clean but not pronounced. The lows are full and tight. The mids are like buttah. This is the deal with British loudspeakers. They might not be for everyone but if you are going after the high production value type sound grounded in the BBC they could be for you. Wharfedale Diamond's have always been an extremely high value. You really do get an awful lot for your money.
@ugzz 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like something to look out for! So questions for you (if you even see this).. I have the ELAC debut b6 speakers. And I really like them, but here's the thing, I have a setup that requires an elevated speaker to provide all my bass, and I can't have a subwoofer. Do you have any recommendations for a set of speakers in the sub $500 range that are capable enough to overcome not having a sub, but still sound full, and adequately low?
@haroldbriones6510 3 жыл бұрын
I know your question is for steve, but if you dont mind getting answers from other people, i would suggest cambridge sirocco s30, I have experiences with b6, ls50, some pioneers and psb, but if your looking for sub500, i strongly suggest those speaker, you might not like the looks and the brand and specilly the year it was built but soundwise, I think thats what your looking for specially for base/bass! And if your room s not so big.Cheers!
@ugzz 3 жыл бұрын
@@haroldbriones6510 Glad to have anyone comment, thanks! I'll keep an eye and ear open for sure. Since i'm "fine" with the elacs, i'll probably mull over a replacement decision for a while and see if I can actually get an ear to anything, which is tougher in this whole pandemic thing. Luckily, i'm not in a hurry :)
@RasheedKhan-he6xx 3 жыл бұрын
Steve thank you, I'm seriously considering these for a new tiny home. There's an interesting connection - they are designed by Karl-Heinze Fink who recently stepped in to finish the last job his friend Ken Ishiwata started but died before completing. This was going to be a special edition Rotel A11 and CD11 series that KI was putting heart and soul into after mysteriously parting ways with Marantz. He got as far as approving prototypes apart from some minor changes he thought they still needed. Then he died. Now the series has been named Tribute (A11 Tribute and CD11 Tribute) with a Japanese character placed on the front that translated means something like 'respect' or maybe 'reverence'. It's kind of a shame on Marantz as far as I'm concerned that after he gave them 40 years its Rotel that is honouring him this way. Anyway, I don't know if you're a big Marantz or Ishiwata fan? Can't recall any reviews on your channel but in any case I really hope you get the Rotels in for a run. This is epoch endings stuff and part of that KI legacy is that they kept it affordable, very much like these speakers.
@jonathansturm4163 3 жыл бұрын
When the preamp section of my RA 975 started to fail, I purchased the A11 and use that for its pre and to drive my tweeters. The 100+W in the RA 975 drive my woofers. I’m more than happy with this combo and especially pleased with the cost!
@karl-heinzfink5930 3 жыл бұрын
In fact, I was using the 12.2. a lot during the sessions with A11 and CD11. It was with a heavy heart, as we did this for Ken. He was so happy to restart with new projects after he had to leave from MARANTZ. If you have a chance, give it a try and listen to it in a set.
@RasheedKhan-he6xx 3 жыл бұрын
@@karl-heinzfink5930 Hard to find a higher recommendation than that. And its really cool that you are here taking part in the conversation! Grusse aus Berlin!
@karl-heinzfink5930 3 жыл бұрын
@@RasheedKhan-he6xx, there are a few KZfaq channels I regularly watch and one of them, Steve Guttenberg is doing.
@CC-bg8gf 3 жыл бұрын
@@karl-heinzfink5930 Thanks for your insight, Mr. Fink. I have the Rotel A12 and I’m looking forward to have a listen to the 12.2s when the Hi-Fi stores in my area (Montréal, Canada) start carrying this new Wharfedale line. If you don’t mind me asking, was your team responsible for all aspects of the 12.2 design (drivers, cabinet, cross-over, etc.) or just some specific part of it?
@silkhead44 3 жыл бұрын
so they're buttery?
@gage4375 Жыл бұрын
Wich one is better for female vocal
@AllboroLCD 3 жыл бұрын
DId you attempt to Bi-Amp or Bi-wire these bad boys brotha? I am most curious as to the perf differeance. BTW, factory tour vids are the absolute best! Tour more factories when life is safe again, I know you wanna do rogue audio in PA, Rogers High Fidelity is also fairly close upstate in Warwick NY, The Mac factory in binghamton has been done before but be still cool to have you do it.
@maureenwassermann767 3 жыл бұрын
I think Rogers moved out of Warwick, NY. I see new address out of state.
@AllboroLCD 3 жыл бұрын
@@maureenwassermann767 Ahh damn.... really?
@dynster 3 жыл бұрын
Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 or Triangle borea br02 + sub for watching TV and listening internet radio??
@ShutterLifeCaptures 3 жыл бұрын
I have been looking for this info as well but honestly probably going to go borea br02. There's a couple of reviews regarding the br02 being good for home theater setup and especially for music. Plus I like the looks of the br02 better.
@MakerManu 4 ай бұрын
I Live in Tucuman Argentina and love your channel. Short question everything is expensive here 12.2 vs psb XB (used like new almost half of the price)?? only one bullet.
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac 4 ай бұрын
I never did that comparison so I couldn't say. But if you've heard the PSB speaker and liked it, do it! No sense wondering about is something else better, especially if you've never heard it!
@jonathanmoore8886 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how these sound matched with Cambridge audio gear.
@williamgreer4958 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Cambridge Audio amp with Wharfedale Diamond 230 speakers and it sounds great!
@dayfornight88 3 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to find incredible deal floor model totem acoustic dreamcatcher book self speakers... only paid $169.cnd these are giant killers
@LeoRousseau 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! I've always wanted a Totem, but I can't afford new and can't seem to find a good deal like you ran into.
@robertstern368 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve. I'm looking for wire bookcases like the one behind you. Can you post where you bought this? Thanks
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac 3 жыл бұрын
Metro shelving
@paulo1901 3 жыл бұрын
I got two of those in my basement. Got them from Homedepot.
@derrick8064 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve. Is there a bookshelf speaker that offers the sweetness and full body of the 12.2 and the energy and excitement of the 600m with the spatial and airiness of 607?
@b.borrelli8688 3 жыл бұрын
@derrick long Reccomend you look at the Emotiva B1+
@derrick8064 3 жыл бұрын
@@b.borrelli8688 Thanks. I will do some research on them.
@AromaFrank 3 жыл бұрын
@@derrick8064 I have the b1+ and it’s definitely not a full body sound it’s kind of tin’ish in the midrange. It has very clear highs and a punchy bass.
@sgtgonzo5076 Жыл бұрын
'ribbed driver increaes listening pleasure!' lmao
@franciscoortiz6980 3 жыл бұрын
pretty much agree with you. To me the Wharfedale 12.2 is neutral speaker and a great bargain for $500/pair. Kinda like a bargain studio monitor. (I still prefer my B&W 606s2 for 900/pair)
@Hotflop2011 3 жыл бұрын
You know what everyone want to see. Klf with amp review
@jeffbriggs7022 3 жыл бұрын
If I didnt know those are Amps......think Guttenbergs were into power step aerobics
@MrAhuraMazda 3 жыл бұрын
Steve Guttenberg is the real Eraserhead
@bizyz 3 жыл бұрын
what do these puppies sound like bi amped?
@avianoeducationcenter6667 3 жыл бұрын
Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 vs 12.2 ! What are the differences in sound?
@ryousuketakahashi5038 3 жыл бұрын
The 11.2 Sounds much better in every way [ bass extension, midrange, diamond-like highs ]. The Diamond 11.2's are more stylish than the new series and better made. The 11.2 are the best standmount speakers under 1.400 € . You won't need a subwoofer. Bass extension as low as 40 Hz, tight and deep.
@ryousuketakahashi5038 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, very good. But if you can.. Buy the Wharfedale EVO 4.1 ... They cost a little much more but they sound DIVINE. They sound better than 3.000 or 4.000 $ speakers. Today i received mine. The EVO 4.1 are the best. When you listen to them you just feel every emotion. The same music on the evo 4.1 sound 10 times better than Diamond 11.2 . It's worth every Penny.
@rosswarren436 2 жыл бұрын
11.2 is more artificially bloated in the lower mid-bass...The 12.2 is more neutral. As others have mentioned it is like Wharfedale followed ELAC in toning down their "bloat" from the Debut to the Debut 2.0. Now, some might like that bloat. (Many have). And it might be fine in certain rooms. YMMV. As always it depends on what you like and maybe whether you are going to pair them with a dedicated sub-woofer. A coworker of mine got the 11.2 when they were on the fire sale and is using them in a small office in his house without a sub and he is very happy.
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