Hi Guys, couple of points to clarify - the Q Acoustics 3030i are £329 not £299 so the fact the Diamond 12.1 have better overall soundstage clarity is very cool right - hence the comment. Secondly to better explain the Wharfedale speaker line in case I caused any confusion - its Elysian Top EVO Middle and then Diamond - but with Linton and Denton being more of a specialist speaker. Hope that helps if I confused anyone - sorry if I did :) If you would like to know more come and see my website review www.pursuitperfectsystem.com/wharfedale-diamond-12-1-stand-mount-speaker-review/
@WHo-vf1oz2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 12.2 and love it! Thats a huge compliment as my current stable has Kef LS50, Focal chora 816, sonus faber cremona auditor. All at far higher price points. I bought it because it can give me something my other speakers cannot. A warm and relaxed sound that is tonally well balanced and not too exagerated. Sure it can’t match the accuracy and speed of my other speakers but the warm sound can keep me in bliss and listen far longer (and fall asleep on the sofa). What suprised me the most is that the sacrifices in speed, accuracy and top end air is fairly small so am really pleasantly suprised how good budget speakers are these days!.
@nikandbdog8 ай бұрын
I just bought these and I am blown away. They provide the exact sound I was looking for. Warm and smooth.
@hclandscapes3 жыл бұрын
Seems like Warfedale are producing great speakers right now at really great prices too
@michaelwhitaker19723 жыл бұрын
I love the Wharfedale sound, especially at the cost.
@paulreal5698 Жыл бұрын
Coming from NHT Superones, the NHT were positively natural sounding which I enjoy. I just got these 12.1’s and they are a step above. The Diamonds’ high frequency is much “airier” and smoother with no fatigue or harshness. Bass is punchy for being smaller drivers. They sound so much livelier. For those of you wondering, just get the Diamonds. Will not disappoint.
@therealchickentender3 жыл бұрын
Nice summary... My only complaint (and it is not of PPS necessarily at all) is that it seem each time a new Diamond speaker is introduced it is *always* the XX.1 version that receives scores of reviews. I've always preferred the larger .2 versions but they never seem to get any press whatsoever. Would hugely appreciate if you could get your hands on a pair of those to compare.
@agaskew3 жыл бұрын
Good old Diamonds. In the 80s you could buy a "portable" system in a flight case: Sony Discman, Naim Nait amp and Diamonds. My first pair were Wharfedale Active Diamonds, I loved them.
@ThecrosseyedTexan Жыл бұрын
My set will be here on Thursday! I am 56 years old and I've always wanted to own a set of wharf tales and I finally got them. These will be for my desktop system which is all I have room for right now but I'm very excited
@ThecrosseyedTexan Жыл бұрын
Oh and greetings from the state of Texas!
@diggerant2 жыл бұрын
Just running in my new Wharfedale diamond 12.1's and they're sounding amazing off my 60w Naim nait 5si and a dirt cheap $29 DVD player until my cd transport and dac arrives. Blown away. Better than the B+W 686's I had and even nicer than the Monitor Audio silver s2,s although slightly less detailed hi's than the MA's overall amazing speakers and lovely looking too.
@PursuitPerfectSystem2 жыл бұрын
Nice speakers congrats
@zulkefliibrahim579210 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I just bought it. Diamond 12.1 with SMSL A300 and SMSL SU1.👍😊
@iariag13 жыл бұрын
Wharfaedale have come in leaps and bounds lately, nothing like the old ones that to me looked cheap, great little speakers and great price
@polkiju73 жыл бұрын
The Rank Corporation (aptly named) destroyed a venerable pioneering company. Driven, like many speaker manufacturers, in pursuit of unsustainable profits, they pandered to acoustic tastes in the US that best served top 40 music and rock. Nothing wrong with either genre but it brought about declining efficiency and nuance while requiring ever more watts to feed them. Hence an entire generation of Americans and others I assume who conflated the mere mention of triple and quadruple digit wattage with a well designed amp. I run my speakers (all Wharfedale 1950s/1960’s drivers) off 3watts. Couldn’t be happier. Oh, I have a pair of BIC Venturi Formula 4’s pulled from the trash that I can drive to ear shattering levels when needed. ;)
@Gary_M3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see they got rid of the foam surrounds on the woofer from the 11 series but I wish they would have kept the down-firing port.
@drazenbabich3 жыл бұрын
Those foam surrounds aren't the same material used in 60es and 70es. Everyone's learned a lesson from history, including driver makers. Unfortunately the push back and the negative responses from the great unwashed made Wharfedale pull back on foam surrounds even though they're sonically a step above the rubber. Sad but true.
@drazenbabich3 жыл бұрын
@AB CD No they're not. They proved it in the lab too, not just by the listener's ear. Plenty of it being written on this topic over the recent years. There isn't only Wharfedale that moved over the years to the downward firing port, right up to their flagships. You must have ended up with a dud, sorry it made you feel like that.
@Synthematix14 күн бұрын
Wharfedale are awesome, been buying them for over 35 years
@EsotericArctos10 ай бұрын
Watching this 2 years later, I wouldn't say Karl was "someone new". Maybe new to Wharfedale, but he was with Q Acoustic previously having designed the Q Acoustics 3020i and 3030i. I still love the Wharfedale Diamond series though. They are very impressive for their price point. I would probably compare the diamond 12.1 to the 3020i. That said, the 12.1 and the 12.2 have similar performance characteristics, just with a better bass extension on the 12.2, but that is expected with the bigger woofer/mid driver on the 12.2. The 12.2 is very nicely organised and has great imaging, like the 12.1.
@philjagdon67748 ай бұрын
Can you tells me please if you are happy with QA3020i than WD 12.1 thanks
@joentell3 жыл бұрын
I was hesitant to review these because the specs were underwhelming compared to the 11.2. But since you said these are excellent, maybe they're pulling a BMW and underrating their specs
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I didnt look at the specs Joe I put them in place and pressed play and went from there. Then when I checked the specs after things dont always add up like rated bass extension. Which could explain a few things I experienced.
@jaismohamad14973 жыл бұрын
I've got the floor standers. With vacuum tubes they sound great.
@Beathoven0072 жыл бұрын
I have the smaller Diamond 12.0 connected to the Arylic A50+ and in the room I use them they sound at their most addicting with a +1 bump in bass and +3 in treble for any accoustic performance. Truly incredible solid speakers that sound bigger than they are and deliver enjoyment. I also own the Wharfedale Evo 4.2, which has a bit more openess in the midrange (play some upright bass and there is just an extra detailed layer that most bookshelves don't craft out). But apart from that I could live with the diamonds.
@prs26 Жыл бұрын
what type of music u listen to ?
@ramondelgado6778 Жыл бұрын
Have you tried the Diamond 12.0 on a better, bigger amplifier? They scale up so very well!
@warrenraye11263 жыл бұрын
Another great review, thanks! The Diamond range always seems to offer excellent value and performance. I've got some Diamond 9.1s from 10ish years ago and they're still great - no idea who the speaker designer was back then.
@RanTausi3 жыл бұрын
Hi , Thanks for the review ! I wonder how they compare to the 12.2 model ?
@lungupetrisor36063 жыл бұрын
How do these compare to the previous generations? 11.1/11.2 and 220/225.
@leeh47222 жыл бұрын
Got myself a pair of these yesterday out of curiosity really. ( they will be replacing some Dali Zenzor 1’s in the bedroom if they sound ok in there ) I’ve been on a budget speaker journey since lockdown, trying to find the perfect speakers for the sitting room. Tried Zenzor 1’s , Zenzor 3, BW 606 , Kef 350, RP500, Triangle BR03 and finally decided the Triangle BR02 was best for me in that room. The first impression of 12.1’s out of the box is the bass! Wow…much tighter and lower than the triangle. Haven’t yet had time to compare anything else yet
@jezmink7 ай бұрын
If you can listen to Ottmar Liebert CD Luna Negra XL Little Wing, track (The Girl from Ipanema) the sound of the guitar strings resonating thru the Diamond 12.1 is amazing.
@frankmchale28773 жыл бұрын
Today I was going to pull the trigger on a pair of B&W 606s, but a last minute look at some reviews, the thing that bothered me was that they all mentioned that the treble and top end may cause listening fatigue. As someone who struggles listening to mp3s and online digital music in general For any length of time, I’ve started to doubt the 606s. I love the warmth of vinyl and mainly buy and listen to old and used albums on a retro 80s system ( rebel revolver turntable, Rotel amp, old pair of misson speakers). Started to look at a new set of speakers with a budget of up to £500, but I feel the Wharfdale diamond 12.1 maybe an option for me, despite being below my initial budget. What would be everyone’s recommendations, considerations? I plan on updating my system gradually, starting with my speakers. Might be worth pointing out that my music room is a tiny box room with about 5ft between me and the speakers!! 🙏
@ramondelgado67783 жыл бұрын
Same here. My ears are prone to be fatigued from high-end frequencies. I listed to the B & W 600 and 700 series and for my ears, they were just too bright. I heard the Wharfdale Diamond 225 recently, and I was floored. I think they are quite possibly the best sounding bookshelf speaker I've heard under $1,000. Also, similar to the B & W's, listened to the Focal Chora 706 and felt underwhelmed as it seemed cold and very bright. I'm probably going to purchase Wharfdale 225's or maybe these 12.1's if they ever come to the U.S.
@LB-rq2ds2 жыл бұрын
I just buy 12,2, its a fantastisk speaker, much Better than my old q Acoustics 2050i. The first Day The treble sounds terrible but after som Days its very nice and smooth. And in Denmark only $317 now
@xsamitt3 жыл бұрын
Picked up the lintons..........Best set of speakers we have ever had.They would be a deal at 3 times the cost!!!
@maxspurs3 жыл бұрын
I was expecting a much more detail review on how they sound compared to the other versions(Diamond 11).
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to dissapoint but to be honest there is no mention anyhwre of that comparison and I have never listened to the diamond 11 so I couldn't make that comparison even if I wanted to
@Kukkema7 ай бұрын
What budget amp would match well with the diamonds?
@lgude Жыл бұрын
Have the Diamond 4s and I really like them, so the latest version is very attractive. Thank you. I prefer clarity and good ‘organisation’ too.
@Saul_Goodman_Criminal_Lawyer2 жыл бұрын
Compared to the Diamond 11.1, is it really an upgrade or is it worth the upgrade? Thanks!
@mrvik972 жыл бұрын
Well, im going to get the 12.0 in couple of days, as i see from everyone probably among the best budget hifi speakers. Good review, cheers
@Audioloon3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping all of us in the Wharfedale loop :) As a previous owner of the Diamond 9.1, I used to prefer them over the Usher S520's, Nola Mini's, and Energy Connoisseur C1's I also owned during the same time period. Now I own a pair of Wharfedale D320's (which I purchased due to being inspired by your video of them on the Bristol hi-fi event). It's so perplexing to me that any speaker manufacturer produce so many lines of "affordable and entry level" speakers to choose from. Is there really that much difference in each speaker line to justify and claim a distinct and improved audiophile listening experience? I wonder if the D series is simply the scrap heap or audio leftovers for Wharfedale? I do enjoy my D320's though.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I have just been discussing this as what I didn't explain correctly is how things are organised with the speakers - so Elysian Top is obvious then EVO then Diamond - where I got it wrong is for me because the sound was so good from the Diamond 12.1 I sat it in the middle of pack just below the Linton / Denton and EVO's but in the middle. That is how much impression they made on me man, def not scrap hear far far from it
@philjagdon67748 ай бұрын
Hello just wanted to know if you bought the D12.1 as you already have the d320. I'm thinking of buying d320 as it fits my budget. Can you give me an advice between the two if you bought the 11.2. I'm buying this soon. Thanks
@andreasr66323 ай бұрын
What speaker set would you suggest between the Wharfedale 12.1, Dali Spektor 2, Acoustic Energy 100 Mkii and Mission LX2 ?
@d2kno3 жыл бұрын
For an extra £50 i think the 12.2 maybe the ones to go for, same as with the old 220 vs 225. I had 220’s for a while and always regretted not getting the 225’s.
@MAudiophile3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's how I feel about the 12.1 and such. Too much compromise in every aspect. I wonder why they sent 12.1 instead of 12.2.
@johndaddabbo93833 жыл бұрын
@@MAudiophile Well that's simple actually... They were obviously confident in 12.1's overall sound quality and therefore Hit the Audience that simply cannot afford anything more (or even the 12.1 is a stretch) with the 12.1's and with such a good review those who can afford the 12.2s will surely upgrade. Had the review been for the 12.2s there would have been a few folks not even watching due to the cost, as well as those who did watch having to 'wonder' IF the cheaper 12.1s could possibly be as good and to what level of Bass and other aspects would be lost. So not good. Whereas all folks so impressed by the 12.1 with the cash for the 12.2s won't hesitate to get 12.2s (no questions asked). So a little Sales & Marketing 101 that not all manufacturers Think to employ (or they simply choose not to for whatever reason. Although one reason being that their smaller speaker in the line is in fact much lacking, which is often the case, but obviously not in the case of the 12.1s).
@nareshnarasimhan97743 жыл бұрын
@@johndaddabbo9383 Nice observation
@tawaunwilliams70022 жыл бұрын
The ".1" is always the initial star attraction its been this way since the 7 series...but it doesn't mean its the best tho....
@sdrtcacgnrjrc Жыл бұрын
I can currently get the Denton 80th even a little cheaper than the 12.2's Am torn... unfortunately have to order online, nowhere anywhere near here I could listen to them
@joergwittenberg21782 жыл бұрын
Hi, interesting review 👍I'm a big fan of wharfedale speakers, like this brand and the knowledge of building such fantastic speakers. Thanks 👌😉
@Lucidconch3 жыл бұрын
Hi, fantastic review. I'm hoping to get the 12.3 soon, hopefully they're as good as you make the 12.1 speakers sound! I'd just like to know whether Wharfedale sponsored this video or not? Thanks.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
No they did send them to me for this review though I didnt buy them, and they went back after. I have created a sound demo video to back up and support everything I said about them in the video - I always do this as I think it helps with authenticity. KZfaq has blocked a few of them after they have been live for months sometimes due to the music that is used in them. I can't control this sadly and I can't repeat the demo as I don't have the speakers anymore. I also might be looking at the 12.3 soon but it won't be for a while
@njp2k9143 жыл бұрын
I was set on getting the elac Debut 6.2’s later this month but il definitely have a look at these too now!!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I think that is a good idea man :)
@richardpeters21933 жыл бұрын
Seriously not a fan of the 6.2's, did not like the treble. Go back and listen to his 10 speaker shootout last month. Probably can't go wrong with a few of those. PSB Alpha P5 is a good entry level speaker.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
@@richardpeters2193 Sound demo for these coming tomorrow all being well :)
@richardpeters21933 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem not the old Debut 6.2's I assume? I'm interested in Dynaudio Evoke 30, and Dali Rubicon 5's. As my dealer says there are 60,000 speaker companies in the world. You have to pick a lane and go down it. So few stores to demo I pick a person I like to work with and follow their advice unless I see something better. I admit I try to stay out of China. I also try not to support online only direct sales because more of that and everyone will close up. Then on top of everything there is the wife... "What's wrong with the Bose radio on top of the refrigerator?"
@njp2k9143 жыл бұрын
I got the 6.2’s and I love them so far!! I also picked up an old pair of wharfedale Denton 2’s which were being scrapped for free which will go well in my upstairs system :)
@geraldoram24532 ай бұрын
I wonder how the Diamond 9.1 (which I love) compares with the 12.1s.
@riccitone3 жыл бұрын
These seem really well put together, and what a really well put together review to compliment them. My only concern, if their behavior will be diminished at any substantial ratio by lesser equipment. I would think they'd still sound great with a respectable integrated, but you're using some super serious front end here! Would be nice to know how they'd pair with more mid fi stuff. Thanks!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Hi John I think there is always a relationship between speakers end result and the gear before them, however certain speakers instantly make you feel getting the right system is critical these are not that type of sounding speaker.
@riccitone3 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I think you had alluded to that on a certain level, but thank you for clarifying that directly. Would LOVE these for an office system.
@ProjectOverseer3 жыл бұрын
Seriously good review, Terry.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris man
@DJJASProductions3 жыл бұрын
Great Review! I am looking for speakers for watching Netflix so vocal dialogue in tv shows and movies is the of the most important aspects. Do you recommend this speaker or one of the others you have reviewed? Seemed mixed on the Klipsch 600m.
@DomRivers673 жыл бұрын
Pop them with the matching Diamond SC150 sub, it's only £150 right now....that elevates them wonderfully
@EA-582 жыл бұрын
Great review.
@alextsibanoulis122 Жыл бұрын
All right ! ...and now what's is a budget amplifier in the 200-400euro category that could make the most out of them ??
@ivanluhi2 жыл бұрын
How's the sound off axis? Looking for these or 12.2 (or KEF Q350) but I like to sit all over the couch, not just in a "sweet spot".
@philmaddock48893 жыл бұрын
Very engaging and got my interest. This may be a stupid question. I've owned a pair of Wharfedale Diamonds (black, number unknown) for 30 years, maybe more. Sadly been stored in the loft /garage and generally not looked after although they always delivered for me. Recently 'rescued' they still sound fantastic with clarity, plenty of bass and a great rich sound (to my ears anyway). What difference will I notice between these and the 12.1's? I want to upgrade but in tier 4 it's obviously difficult to hear them in person.Thanks!
@jamesbrotherton54872 жыл бұрын
If you can replace the capacitors in your speakers they would sound much better. They do get old. No way to tell how they would compare without listening.
@marcosr23 жыл бұрын
Great review, man What changes between this 12.1 and the Wharfedale Diamond 10.2? What is the best?
@CinemaDemocratica Жыл бұрын
Edit: No sooner had I published this comment, than you spoke directly to the challenge of carrying off a driver-specific comparison when the manufacturers are only sending a finite number of review specimens -- sorry. If the choice of a comp for a speaker under review comes down to price-appropriate vs same driver-size, personally I'd vote for same driver-size. In my experience, at least, it's much easier to critically contrast two speakers that both have the same bass driver size, than it is to critically contrast two speakers that cost the same but have differently sized bass drivers. So, what I'm saying, I think the Q Acoustics 3020i would have been a more informative comp here, rather than the 3030i, despite the price difference.
@andrewtamblyn21913 жыл бұрын
Great review Terry, Which speakers are easier to drive the 12.1 or the 3030i ? 'll be using a small Arylic A50 amp/streamer Thanks JB
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
The 3030i may give the illusion of being easier to drive because of the bigger sound but I dont think they are. I turned the wharfedale up slightly more but that was more me being greedy I think. I think I would pick the speaker more on the type of sound I want rather than which is easier to drive. Hope that comes across in the right way :)
@andrewtamblyn21913 жыл бұрын
Thanks Terry, Yeh I was just a bit worried the little AMP might struggle if paired with the wrong speakers but they both seem to be rated around 88db so will probably go with the wharfdales Thanks!
@tbonet8593 жыл бұрын
An important question: Are these new Wharfedale Diamond 12.1 series forgiving of older not-so-perfect recordings (i.e. 60's / 70's Classic Rock, older Pearl Jam, The Ramones, Alice In Chains, UFO....etc); allowing the the spirit and soul of the songs, without ruining the experience? Thank you for your review
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
pretty much yes
@tbonet8593 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thank you. Your response and video review is much appreciated. It is important to a multitude of music lovers & musicians, to have a system which is forgiving enough ( not sharply analytical in it's presentation of the music), to convey musical justice to lesser recordings. Realistically, we all love such a wide variety of music and genres. I can't imagine anyone only interested in listening to the top 20 highest quality recordings of all time. I believe it is a much more helpful real world representation for reviewers to play a variety of " quality diverse " recordings and types of music. Thanks again!!
@invisiblekid992 ай бұрын
Just thinking if these will be suitable for near field listening with my PC? Either these or the 3020i and the 3030 are just a touch too deep in size Hmmmmmm. Powering with Fosi V3 monos and my Burson Soloist GT headphone amp as a pre amp. Slightly overkill for the price of the speakers and amps but it’s damn fine pre amp.
@johndaddabbo93833 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more! The #1 turn off for me is when a speaker starts SMURRING. Man I hate when a speaker does that :)
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Smurring might be a new thing - I remember friends at UNI inventing "sminking" - smoking and drinking. sminking is cooler though right haha :)
@moshejong3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Awesome review, glad for sharing. I have a question you might be able to help me out with. I currently own a pair of the Diamond 220 series in a 2.0 configuration. I'm looking to make a 3.1 system in a different room. Would you recommend sticking with the 220 and getting the appropiate center channel along with it, or do you think there's a big jump between the 220 and the new 12 series to warrant an upgrade and going with 12 series instead? Thanks!
@Plastpackad3 жыл бұрын
Pardon me for jumping in. I would say a small and audiophile subwoofer would be a great upgrade for the D220. I have a the D225 and have hard time finding any better sounding speaker below £1k. One big difference between the new and old Dimonds are the base port. I think the downwards port is better but propably more expensive to produce. You can widen the space between the baseplate and cabinet to open up the sound on old Dimonds. And try bi-wiring - did a great boost on mine. Cheers.
@snakedude613 жыл бұрын
It looks like they went back to the 220 and 225 styling. Just modernized a bit. With a different port design and more Chrome style trim rings. I kind of wish I would have waited I just bought the 225 a few weeks ago. I still think the 11.2 looks better than both. I wonder if they'll be going on sale.
@BobJJ9999 Жыл бұрын
Just bought these, sensational bang for buck
@PursuitPerfectSystem Жыл бұрын
oh yes
@marekjanoszek29193 жыл бұрын
I love this speakers. I'm missing the sound test video.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I created one and it was watched about 10,000 times then KZfaq blocked it for a song that I used in it - I am sorry I did make it and it was out there bloody impressive as well
@geoemm3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your reviews, can you please review Focal 906.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I am considering another stand mount speaker group test at a different price point so we will see :)
@geoemm3 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks..
@geraldoram24532 ай бұрын
Would they be an upgrade on the Dali Spektor 2s?
@jameswheeler76793 жыл бұрын
Great video I've never had the experience of listening to these speakers how do they compare to Klipsch?
@nc34193 жыл бұрын
Does this speaker present a flatter or 3D like soundstage depth? Also, does tonality change much off axis? The Diamond 225 changes alot moving out of the sweet spot. Any impressions to share?
@geraldoram2453 Жыл бұрын
How do you think the Dali Spektor 2s compare with the Warfdales. The Dalis are £189 at present on Amazon. Would love your input into the comparison. Cheers.
@RP-ms7lu Жыл бұрын
Very accurate review. Your analysis of vocal is very informative. I think female singers should sound lovely and natural. BUT IT IS CHINESE COMPANY, so i am out.
@mingz50043 жыл бұрын
for Q Acoustics 3030i , Diamond 12.2, Elac UB52, Which one is the best for listening to classical music? Thanks
@jaytorr67013 жыл бұрын
The 12.1 is better. Wider sound stage and better separation, and instruments like strings sounds more natural. I have the 3030i, had more of a presence and bigger sound, but for classical music I would prefer the 12.1
@andrewforsythe72403 жыл бұрын
So far I still like the Cabasse Antigua 170, not the prettiest but they look good with grills on, especially the oak cabinets. But not the easiest to find. I am not old and not young, think I need the brighter treble though, Ha !
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I get that totally, can be a room acoustics thing too, it works in my room with all the treatment. I am pretty sure the cabasee website shows a dealer in London if you are UK based. It would also be worth demoing the Klipsch and EVO 4.2 if you can because then you get different takes on it and in a more normal rooms acoustics it will be a little different too :)
@andrewforsythe72403 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yes RP 600m on list. I am in Germany. Actually a site in France have the Cabasse in black for 399euro, good price. RP 600m, 466 euro, Amazon.de Actually using ELAC B6,2 now, budget speakers, bought them in a hurry while setting up here, however treble is a bit muted for me, otherwise sound good with sub. Cheers !!
@CovertOperative3 жыл бұрын
Diamond Vs Evo - Terry - which is the more analytical (detail retrieval ) and faster (speed/dynamics/transient) speaker?
@franciscoortiz69803 жыл бұрын
Nice video. You lucky fellow! The diamond 12 series not available in USA yet. The diamond 11.2 are one of my favorite bang for buck speakers out there, so I imagine these will be even better.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
They are literally brand new out so they will be available soon in the US I am sure
@drazenbabich3 жыл бұрын
Francisco, I'd be really surprised if these 12s beat your 11.2s in any shape or form. I also own the 11.2. These 12s are the stripped down 11 series, at best. I am one of those who wouldn't fall for the marketing spiel types of "the best Diamond yet" :) Cheers.
@AbsoluteFidelity3 жыл бұрын
@@drazenbabich just because you own an 11 doesnt mean the 12 is inferior. Ive heard the 12.0, 12.1 and 12.2 compared to the 11.1 and 11.2 and nearly in all ways the 12 is an improvement. Many that have actually heard both share this same sentiment. But if you insist that what you own is superior, more power to you.
@drazenbabich3 жыл бұрын
@@AbsoluteFidelity Yuo need to do your "test" again buddy. This time try to take your "new is better" blinkers off. Many of us also tested 11s vs 12s and concluded 11s haven't been matched yet in Diamond range. So what gives. To each his own.
@AbsoluteFidelity3 жыл бұрын
@@drazenbabich you need to stop being sour grapes about newer products after the ones you own. Newer is not always better but the 12s are definitely an improvement over the 11s sonically. But you can keep standin in your corner all day, one man's toilet is another man's bowl.
@andrewforsythe72403 жыл бұрын
It is confusing but at least you are cutting through the confusion, thanks.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
What is confusing my review or choosing the right speaker?? I hope not my review sorry if it is
@andrewforsythe72403 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem NO no, your reviews are perfectly clear. I mean you are making it easier for me at least to under the difference between the speakers. So you are making it easier to pick the right speaker. Very thorough reviews, Thank you !!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewforsythe7240 Hi Thanks I am my own biggest critic never totally happy with the way my videos come out so hoped I wasn't giving out wrong messages as well. Thanks very much for the feedback
@andymcbain54413 жыл бұрын
Easy going but engaging sounds good to me!!!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Agreed :)
@SurajKumar-AskMe3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Thanks for the review. But I would have preferred a more detailed comparison with the Evo 4.2! why? - Cause while the Audiophile in me is inclined more towards buying the Evo 4.2 , the pragmatic in me wants me to just settle for the Diamond 12.1!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I would suggest checking out my EVO 4.2 review then Suraj
@AromaFrank3 жыл бұрын
How do you compare the 12.2 vs 3030i ?
@angelllacuna88893 жыл бұрын
could you review the Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 comparing it with the Diamond 12.1 ?
@RanTausi3 жыл бұрын
I am also delighted to know !, I am torn between 12.2 to Klipsch RP600M
@HansProbs3 жыл бұрын
@@RanTausi 12.2 wins against rp600m no contest
@sanonmars3 жыл бұрын
@@HansProbs That is a bit surprising. In what respect? Midrange, Treble or Bass?
@HansProbs3 жыл бұрын
@@sanonmars in all the respects plus soundstage/imaging. Treble on klipsch is fun! but its enhanced and not natural sounding. There is a dip in the klipschs midrange around crossover point that is its major flaw compared to full mids on wharfedales. Bass on rp600m isnt as punchy as wharfies, especially at lower volumes
@sanonmars3 жыл бұрын
@@HansProbs Thats great.👍Midrange is important but ignored I think. I recently got Klipsch RP450c used for dialogues clarity (upgraded from Wharfedale D 220C). Have Wharfedale D220 LC. My friend was selling Klipsch R62 II at good price ( approx 700US $- new is double price in India). But I did not go for it. He upgraded to SVS Ultra towers used. He said he is getting great midrange now which was lacking earlier. I am looking for 3 way towers, even used. Which would be great upto 1000$ ? Would prefer 8 ohm, at least 87 db sensitivity. Looking for SVS prine towers.
@richardcorfield99262 жыл бұрын
How do they compare to the Q 3020i or Concept 20?
@joaquininfante7213 жыл бұрын
I'm considering Wharfedale 11.3 Tower Speakers. Are they as good as the Diamond 12.1?
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
No idea I know the diamond 12 is a new designed speaker but I havent heard the 11 range to know sorryb
@DavidStewart773 жыл бұрын
I've got the old wharfedale dx1 hcp and 1 of the surround speakers has broken. Would these be a good upgrade for the front left and right for the surround sound setup and improve the stereo? I run them with a Yamaha RX-V675 receiver., cheers
@coy98982 жыл бұрын
For home theatre would u recommend Diamond tower or Evo bookshelf? Thanks
@Panslapper3 жыл бұрын
Is there a better option for dance music in this price range? I have a Denon M41 without speakers at the moment and looking to pair up.
@6643bear Жыл бұрын
I wonder how these compares to b&w 602s3 thanks
@twilomix3 жыл бұрын
Bet these will be great for my PC 🖥
@newpark3 жыл бұрын
What order would you rank these? Diamond 12.1 or klipsch 600m or elac debut reference. 🤔
@paulo19013 жыл бұрын
Hey Terry! Nice review, thanks. Do you think the Cambridge Audio AXR100 would make a good pairing? If not, any suggestions? Take care!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I am sorry Paulo I havent heard the axr100 to know mate sorry about that
@paulo19013 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem No problem, man> Thanks anyway. Any suggestions on amps?
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
@@paulo1901 I think the nature of the 12.1 being easy going they will work well with loads. Maybe a faster sounding one but that's true of all speakers :)
@paulo19013 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Got it! Thanks, man. I'm guessing the Diamond 12.2 will be it for me. I hope it gets into the US before Xmas!
@stevec35263 жыл бұрын
My question is this: Is the Diamond 12.1 a good near field desk speaker?
@dynster3 жыл бұрын
Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 or Triangle borea br02 + sub for watching TV and listening internet radio??
@whocares31323 жыл бұрын
How is male voice? Does male voice mixes up with bass? and how does 250 to 450 hz sound? Natural?
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I found them to be extremely balanced sounding as I mentioned that is the bit that leaps out at you - its a smooth clean and clear overall very engaging speaker to listen to. Sound Demo should be up tomorrow all being well
@VeryImportantPepe3 жыл бұрын
Too bad thouse of us outside the UK can only get them at much higher prices :(
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Normally its the other way around we pay more in the UK - will still be worth it though
@CarvalhoCaldeira3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious to know how they compare with the previous generation. How much they improved.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people have asked about that, I am sorry I really dont know
@TheDjsura2 жыл бұрын
Wharfedale DIAMOND 12.1 or Q Acoustics Concept 20?
@user-vy8jn9mc6g3 жыл бұрын
What about multiple distorted guitars (any sort of metal or post-rock) in a busy mix? My Wharfedale 230 are not that bad with in this kind of music but paper/poly cones bring some natural compression to that material. I play guitar and start to think that lossy paper/poly cones are better suited for rock music, they play it less clinical although they might be less detailed.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Hi, that is a very hard question for to me to answer because you are going to listening for different things in music to me I feel from what you have said, however complex music is not a problem for the Diamond 12.1 as I mentioned they sound clean clear and organised all the time from my listening to them, that was one of the things that stood out to me that I liked and really appreciated
@user-vy8jn9mc6g3 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Well it looks like the BBC dip will make them easy sounding at least ) Thanks for the reply!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
@@user-vy8jn9mc6g I found them def easy listening but also engaging as well really nice balance
@chandreshgarg88082 жыл бұрын
Wharfedale diamond 12.3 , which avr Denon AVC3700 Or Yamaha RX A4A
@markstubbs19733 жыл бұрын
Are tannoy Mercury m3 speakers any good please be honest
@bpalpha2 жыл бұрын
What happened to Canada, eh? You folks ever get PSB's or Paradigms? Wharfedale's are great and attractive.
@PursuitPerfectSystem2 жыл бұрын
I am based in England
@ctr2893 жыл бұрын
do they come with a port plug?
@Panslapper3 жыл бұрын
I like the sound of these but with a frequency of 65Hz to 20kHz I am left wondering just how much bass these can truly give to most genre of electronic music especially considering the 220s have a lower frequency 56hz thus producing deeper bass...
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
You want bigger speakers for dance music, spend more get bigger ones
@Panslapper3 жыл бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks for the reply but I am limited to the Denon M41 at present so could you recommend something...maybe with a 6inch bass cone and not even the latest on the market...otherwise I think i will have to settle for the 3020i to stay in budget. Thankyou.
@AbsoluteFidelity3 жыл бұрын
@@Panslapper Diamond 12.2 if you insist on a bookshelf or 12.4 if you have the space for floorstanders. There is always the Evo line if your budget is higher. And get a sub. Dance music is nothing without a sub, even with speakers that have a 6 inch woofer.
@M_Yur Жыл бұрын
How much far a they from 10.1?
@ashleybarrett7137 Жыл бұрын
Can I get a track id that you used in this video?
@temp77743 жыл бұрын
How about a desktop setup with class D amp?
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I dont see why not, they have the right form factor but I haven't tried it to know for sure
@carlregandotCOdotUK3 жыл бұрын
Great review, im looking to buy these to use with a Rega Planar 1 turntable. What amplifier would you recommend to work well with these speakers? Thanks
@riteshsuthar70573 жыл бұрын
You consider the rega io?
@gman52182 жыл бұрын
Rega brio matches well
@gianlucabassi88532 ай бұрын
Warm sound in speakers means less definition. Better having a warm sounding High current amp and Harder speakers. Never loved Qacoustic...Will never love Diamonds. I had Dentons..silky and warm.. fantastic speakers but I sold them because they don't match my HiFi philisophy. Neutral speakers+punchy amps.
@PursuitPerfectSystem2 ай бұрын
It can mean less definition or it can mean a good amount of bass those are totally different things. You can have warm and detailed no problem just not for entry level prices as normally there is too much trade off
@johnwheat51992 жыл бұрын
Has there ever been a consistently better "Bang for your bucks" speaker than The Diamond range...in history???
@aiofilms3 жыл бұрын
How do you compare the the Denton 85 Anniversary and the Diamond 12.2? Other people are welcome to chip in, thank you all.
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Sorry haven't heard either
@joeybernal3 жыл бұрын
do you think these would pair well with a vintage pioneer sx-980?
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
I think they will pair well with most amps that are half decent in terms of sound quality