Too many idiotic F bombs. Immature. Thumbs DOWN!

I just want another Terminator horror movie like the first one.

The Terminator: Resistance game is the Terminator 3 we needed

Norman Reedus could be fantastic adult Connor.

Bale was a great Conner. Yelchin was a great teenage Reece. Hated that Anton died so young...

Honestly Salvation isn't as bad as most people make it out to be. It had introduced some great concepts and if it had been executed better, could've opened up the Terminator franchise to whole new world.

"Pop Culture is Cancerous" are the wisest words I've heard on this platform

Edward just looking like he looks in real life is an excellent idea. If done right it could ride the realistic wave hard.

"James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron." - James Cameron

Edward Furlong playing Connor. Imagine how relevant the scene with him drinking a beer on the bridge would seem. He would be playing himself. Plus Connor was a junky in the beginning.

Edward Furlong should have been a reclusive hacker in hiding but still with his cool vibe like in T2 "Easy money" and the movie should have been about trying to find him with Sarah and the T-800 then building him back up. Even if he was in the background, bringing down Legion remotely. His current appearance would be perfect because John Connor would probably have PTSD, drug and alcohol problems after the events of T2 and coming to terms with his life. Add in Robert Patrick in a T-1000 origins role, Michael Biehn, de-aged flashbacks and the Future War and you have a great premise for a true T3 but it would have to be directed by Cameron for it to be remotely decent.

Eddie should go workout with Arnold for 3 months, then he'd be right to return as John Connor.

I feel really bad for Edward furlong

The franchise should have ended with Terminator 2. Just like Aliens & Predator 2. Guys like James Cameron & Guillermo Del Toro when they make a sequel, finish, you cant beat them. Although I agree that Salvation is underrated, it just needed that James Cameron look. The 80s Cameron is gone, he wants to do more sequels to Avatar that no body asked for. "Did I ever tell you my favorite color is blue?" - James Cameron...oops I mean Sutter Cane.

John Connor: knows weapons, knows how to hack, knows how to hide from authorities, and many more skills to defeat Skynet. Dani Ramos: what does she know again?

The saga should have keep the story of Terminator Salvation, reboots only screwed everything

Norman Reedus was active back in 2003, that would've been killer if they gotten him to play John Connor, and maybe even Salvation.

I would have loved Edward Furlong to have returned. I don't think hes nearly as out of shape as people joke about, though they could interweave abit of his personal life in it. He got depressed after the events of T2 due to being hyped as the Savior and now being a nobody. That could explain the body shape and drug use. Now hes faced with a new threat.

The deleted ending scene for T2 shows john with his now daughter and old Sarah at a playground... They should of have continued the story from there or left it at that

If Edward Furlong was to be in a hypothetical T3 film, a messed John Connor-who-gets-his-act-together would have been the way forward.

I loved the way the war in the future looked in t1, t2 and the universal studios 3d thing.

Dark Fate is literally the Sonic Forces of the Terminator franchise. A new entry that just crams in a bunch of elements from the previous entries without knowing what made those elements so good, and what we’re left with is a soulless, mediocre mess that’s not even interesting enough to be even held in infamous like the other disasters(Sonic 06=Genisys).

If salvation was rated R it could have been super badass. Even at pg13 salvation is the best one out of the movies after T2.

It's okay, we got Terminator Resistance on Steam, PS4, and Xbox One. Made by the fans for the fans. There's also a fan game called Tech-com 2029.

T2, like Return of the Jedi, ended so perfectly that any sequel idea is doomed for failure

T3 Shoudlve been T3: Future Soldier or T3: The Futures Past (something of that nature) , and been strictly a Kyle Reese future war origin story, show us HIS childhood and teen years and focus on the future war from his perspective as he fights for survival , they could show us when he got that picture of sarah and when he started developing feelings for a woman from a different time, they could show us his epic battles against large amounts of roaming T800s and the depression fighting a never ending war for survival would cause. I mean there is just so many interesting things u can do with that playbook. The perfect ending too could be a battle weary scarred up Kyle Reese kneeling down in the time machine while John Connor tells him that his very existence relies on him and he must succeed or all will be lost, something like that is what the franchise needed not just another same ol "terminator sent back in time to kill someone" copy and paste story.

There should never be a Terminator 3.2 ended things perfectly.

Terminator salvation was good. Not perfect but better than everything after t2

rip to the young kyle reese in t4 who is the one in only anton yelchin

My respect for James Cameron ended after 10mins of dark fate. When that scene of John/ a young Eddie being assassinated took place I couldn’t believe he would have put his name to it in any shape or form. He allowed an icon in a character and tbh no matter what people say he allowed an icon of a child actor in Eddie Furlong to be discarded like trash after both of the above were the focal point for the best sequel ever created. I’ll never forgive him for giving his blessing to that and I’m sorry but if anyone thinks he didn’t have influence on what was going on in dark fate then your mad. He had moved on from terminator a long long time ago and he didn’t stop for a second and consider the fans of the original generation of Terminator movies at all. Any future Cameron movies?? I’ll pass thanks. Go back to deep sea diving.

I like how the TX didn't go after John Connor first, she went after the younger selves of all of his lieutenants in the future.

The Furlong bait & switch set the Tone for Dark Fate from the start. Massive disappointment. They basically "ignored" the other installments by merging them all together. You guys are very likely spot on about the script & the "treatment" process. Check the Matrix vs Sophia Stewart case study for the crumb trail of receipts.

I just want Sarah Connor Chronicles back. Even if was just a 10 episode rap up.

James Cameron: Terminator Genysis is a great continuation to the series. Also James Cameron: I've never seen any of those sequels.

That 3D ride at universal studios should've been T3

Your take on how Eddie was drug addicted and all that, then has to straighten out would have been so much better than what we have now. It’s actually genius. I like it. But would of should of could of. EDIT: I’m sure Eddie Furlong could get into shape for the role as well. It happens all the time.

T2 wasn’t Eddie Furlongs only role. He was in American History X and that came out 7 years after T2.

The fact that *Norman Reedus* wasnt cast to play adult John Conner is Mind Boggling

Was so blown away by T2. Difficult to improve on perfection. Say what u will about JC, very hard for a new director to come after him

That would be hard to do well, but interesting the whole Millitary Thriller, right at the point where skynet is "born" and judgement day about to happen.

Linda Hamilton was a babe back in the day

Lmao " Time for men to get scared GRACE the movie " I lost it at that part 😂😂

The next terminator should be Terminator: Too late. Where arnie just rocks up 5 mins too late and everyone is dead and he is just like "AHHHW SSHHEIITTT"

Man. I have been missing out on some delicious content. Love going through your back catalogue of videos!

You could of had one in the future, and the premise is to get Kyle Reece to the time machine. That way it makes the complete loop. Make it in the style and the weight of Rogue One. A rag tag team trying to get Reese there, see how both sides of the resistance and Skynet. You could have humans voluntarily working for Skynet, you could see terminators being operated by humans trying to get intel, different factions within each side. It could work.

Connor is a messiah figure, fully flushing him out as an adult character takes away from that mystique, he's a symbol of hope and power and strength after Judgement day. I appreciate that its interesting to explore the actual person versus what he represents, but the strength of the first 2 films was providing snippets of info and letting you as a viewer run wild with them, the flashback scenes incredibly vivid and portrays the emotion of the future, but as a full movie I feel it would lose much of the horror, wonder that these scenes evoke

Just imagine a Terminator moive set after the end of skynet in the future, humanity rebuilding and maybe some lost terminators or something.

There is absolutely no reason to make a T3, it amazes me nobody ever sees what T2 in my eyes is really about; A machine and a boy having a platonic relationship. The most beautiful line in the movie "I know now why you cry, But it's something I can never do." The Terminator feels pain because he has to leave John because he loves him but his existence threatens John and humanity. The machine created to destroy humanity has gained humanity.

FOR JAAAAAAAHN!

I like the idea John Connor becomes a mechanic with a shop and then they see something on the news and like go “oh shit”. Carl can be a t800 that gets accidentally teleported too high up on cliff or someshit, bonked hard and rebooted in learning mode. Finds out skynet is no more and no point of it. Bam.

We need a movie that builds up to Kyle reese's life and how he lost everything and what he went through alone before meeting up with John connor and how he became a Resistance fighter and got the rank of Sgt. Salvation was the shit because that was the beginning of the future war, and it was grimmy and also fuckin perfect cause this was actually a film how the terminators and the T_800 were getting built and how skynet was getting started along with the resistance and how they were studying humans for infiltration units and how the resistance were studying about terminators and how to stop them and last but not least how they started off with weapons. before the actual laser rifles and shit. Christian bale as john connor was the shit and young kyle reese just everything including john connors wife and etc. But they had to fuckin kill it with dark fate like get the fuck out of here with that.

My T3 idea was instead of one guy, one terminator, whatever being sent back, instead, Skynet sends an entire army and just starts taking over everything, and then, the resistance army comes back with Future John Conner who works with Present John Conner and present forces and the whole movie is like a big battle war for the present world, and during this, Present John figures out why the future still happened and the big reveal is that Sarah had gone mental and did something little thing that caused Skynet to be created and they have to kill her, go back in time and kill her young version. I don't know. Great video, Cord.

john getting his shit together after seeing the new terminator 30 years later would have been an EPIC story line !!!!!

Could "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" be considered a Terminator 3?

Salvation was the true sequel. Great movie, definitely overlooked! Could of lead to dope ass sequels with Bale as John Connor

Norman Reedus as John Connor, Dan Stevens (Legion) as Kyle Reese, Hillary Swank (I Am Mother) as Sarah Connor, Schwarzenegger (one of John's soldier's that gets captured or a scientist enslaved by SkyNet/ same thing with Robert Patrick) - showing the skin factories, the evolution of the T-800's and the backstory of how they started getting produced on the assembly line after the first war, etc. I always wanted to know how the machines were able to "rise out of the ashes" of the nukes and also how the humans were able to survive the nuclear fallout, etc.

I would have liked if they had incorporated the idea from the deleted ending of T2. John Conor is a top guy in the government, a peace time leader, who has to step up to the new threat.

An actual good movie where Linda Hamilton and Arnold are hunting down Terminators.

3:45 that is the movie i was hoping for. It would have truly caught the essence of T2. A truly dark and emotional film that definitly would have Grabbed you. You can even keep the new leader story in there because his destiny did change. Maybe John and new girl fall in love and he pulls a Kyle Reese and She becomes pregnant and the cycle starts over. Maybe Arnold could have been human in this because his machine should not technically exist anymore. Even John dying i feel could have been accepted but not in the way they did. it was like a well fuck you. He could've given his life and then start the new chapter. I mean hell John could have thrown a thumbs up as he was falling off something with a smile. Meanwhile Sarah Conner is also maybe settled but estranged with her son. but she keeps up with the signs and watches the news and maybe sees a potential orb spot that has been sanctioned off. She convinces John that it might be happening again but its not their war this time.

I like the idea of the 3rd movie story being inside the base before Skynet gets activated. If they "needed" a terminator, they could have one back as a sleeper guarding and ensuring that Skynet gets developed, after Cyberdine was blown up in T2. Some military scientists start to realize that something is off with this new AI and in trying to shut it down to investigate, people start dying in a scenario similar to "The Thing".

Present day Edward Furlong looks like he smells like Cheetos, incense and BO.

It’s funny you mention exactly what I thought about furlong who could have been introduced as a mess who needed to clean up just like in his real life.

Cameron said he had the idea to kill john

Imagine a Terminator 3 directed by Cameron - with Christian Bale as John Connor!

If you guys ever notice in T2, the old John Connor at beginning of film, looks just like a 2019 Josh Brolin

The ONLY TRUE sequel to T2 in my opinion, was Terminator 2: 3D Across Time! ;D

Salvation is wayyyy UNDERRATED. Great cast $$$ Great setting $$$ Good writing $$$ T1 T2 T Salvation The rest are Reeee

3 should have been the future war movie we all wanted. The narration at the start could have explained that Sarah and John, still unsure about whether they actually stopped Skynet, went off grid and trained regardless. The timeline goes as is established in the first two movies and Skynet went online in 1997. This leads us into the last days of the war where the movie begins and we follow John and Kyle as they plan to destroy the defense grid. We see Kyle and the reprogrammed T-800 from the second movie going into the TDU and the loop is completed. Everything that happened in the three movies was meant to happen and there's no changing it. The movie ends with John reflecting on the realization of this fact, knowing how it will play out over and over again for an eternity. Then we could have a spin off, 'Terminator Story' which is about Sarah and John living off grid and trying to stay out of sight. It would give us a proper send off for Sarah and it would end with the news that Skynet has gone rogue. A prequel to the third movie.

The concept of a John Connor mimicking Edwards real life could work and honestly would be such a real logical conclusion to a teenager who thought he would be this leader who no longer is. Imagine the headspace that would leave a young kid/teen in. You could really develop a story about John. Imagine we just follow him, no terminator comes but judgement day happens but once it does terminators are sent back in time at the start. We don’t have the long build to future war, instead it happens now. John now has to juxtapose what his past was, his current present and what his future should be.

They should have kept John Connor in the movie dealing with alcohol and stress with the new characters as a support cast .

I think that with all the little flaws in the SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES, that was the actual good follow up on the John Connor development after T2. You see how his reunion with Sarah is and both living together, with her still having PTSD about the events of the 1st and 2nd film and her role as a mother to a child that was a juvenile delinquent burdened with the responsibility of a global resistance leader. His psychological status as he tries to have a normal life with a mother that also was traumatized and obsessed. Lena Heady as a good actress may have not been my choice of Sarah because she played her mostly as a badass instead of a mentally and emotionally damaged forced badass. A theme that James Cameron used as an approached to also Ellen Ripley in ALIENS and a lot of fans tend to get confused because of all the gun shooting. Like Ripley, Sarah's moment of realizing that even in the high weapons training she obtained is that she was in fact NOT a soldier, but more like a damaged survivor that got a bit crazed. With all the tough exterior, she was still a soft and fragile person, that waitress in the diner we see her in the 1st movie, Ripley in ALIENS clearly states when she is being asked to go to the doomed colony of LV426 and told that she will go with the Marines as protection and she responds "Then you don't need me, I'm not a Soldier". The SCCs misses that in the characterization of Sarah Connor, BUT they hit it perfectly on John Connor himself after the events of T2 especially in the 1st episode and the pilot where he cries yelling to his mom that he never wanted to be a messiah figure and asks his mom to make the events stop. As the series progresses you see him becoming rebellious and in a way completely selfish, but then he changes slowly to understand his purpose, there is growth and I believe in the psychological aspects of all of these characters with new ones thrown in and new events there are more and better fortifying progressions...to me the only weak link in the characterization that NEEDED to be corrected was Sarah Connor herself and hence TERMINATOR THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES may have been the best sequel to T2 IMHO objectively and subjectively with all its flaws.

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Guys you are so right. Super analysis and movie theory. Additionally, Furlong seems to be a really good guy who might have needed this boost.

Terminator 3 for me should have been the future war

My version of T3: use Deepfake software to bring back everyone during the T2 era. Nothing changes after the events of T2 because cyberdyne finds the T800 arm that was left behind. The nukes are launched on August 9th 1997 and John Connor still wins the war and sends Kyle back in time to close the loop.

I love all these terminator videos!

It should’ve been in the future with Eddie Furlong. He could be depressed and drinking a lot (due to the pressure of being a leader) which would explain Eddie not looking as good as he used to. The plot could be about why the events of the second movie didn’t end the war. Why did it still happen. Eddie sitting in a bunker drinking alcohol and thinking, “what happened. Why didn’t it work”

Here's a carzy thought Hollywood sould do when a franchise seems done how about just end that said franchise you had an ending to T2 that closed off it all but no money needs to be made

Terminator salvation is greater than ever since woke fate.

6:27 "Time for men to get scared." Grace: the Movie LMAO 🤣

This yarn makes sence. Love the way they discuss the movie like waiting at a bus stop or some shit. Well done.

Has anyone else seen the alternate ending to 'T2: Judgement Day' at all? It's good. Sarah Connor grows old and gets drunk on the date of Judgement Day. John Connor becomes a US Senator and gets married and has a daugther, who for name's sake I like to imagine is called Kylie Connor, after the grandfather she never met. I've heard rumours that it's the ending James Cameron wanted to make that the actual ending but the studio pressured him to leave the movie open for a sequel... and sequel he didn't want to make... If you're interested in the alternate ending to 'T2: Judgement Day' and/or have never seen it, let me save you a google search:- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b92bpa-AqJ3cYWg.html

He also did a crow movie as well.

T2 - story has been told. But you could tell the story of how JC is fighting the machines and how they send Kyle back to 1984. That's a movie I'd like to see.

All they had to do was make a prequel revolving around Skynet and Kyle Reese during the war leading up to the events in the first movie similar to what Terminator: Dawn of Fate did. Then you have T1 and it ends with T2. Boom! There's your trilogy.

Awesome video! I 100% agree with you , they should have made films about the lead up to Kyle's life and the future war.

*It's just so sad John Connor was saved and turned out an overweight junkie. :(*

they should brought John Conner (furlong) back as a jaded directionless junkie(big stretch), not able to deal with his piontless mundane existence. And it could have been about him refinding a purpose, his salvation finally being who he was meant to be.

A thing I constantly spruik about T2 is the relationship between John and the T-800, the monologue where sarah says " It would never leave him, It would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die to protect him." and the obvious line of "I know why you cry but it is something I can never do" The Terminator learns humanity, it loves John and John loves him, this is powerful stuff, beautiful stuff. To bring Arnie back for any more movies is pissing on this story, to which it shows Arnie couldn't give a fuck about the character. I liked in Salvation the CG Arnie shows up, John should've paused a lot longer and then the scene proceeded but I like it, I liked the Pops Vs T-800 (hated the recasting of Bill Paxton) but it was a cool scene, little easter eggs like that are alright but I think you guys hit the nail on the head with the Art Imitating life thing, Make John Conner a fuck up, bring Eddie Furlong back as a mess he is. Make Genysis an Alternate Timeline that they closed off with the sacrificing of Sarah and Reese's lives. There was great material in all the films after T2 but it was always executed terribly and like I said: it shit on the Boy and The Machine Relationship tail.

*Terminator Dark Fate was total garbage* *The only thing they can do to redeem the series is make it a multiverse*

They killed him off twice - he became a Terminator, and now he's dead.

When cyberdyne was blown up, the future that the T800 warns about can never be. Kyle Reese warns about the time from which the T800 was not used to build skynet.

It's not just that pop culture killed this franchise its that they know it did and they're still doing it

T3 shouldn't be so underappreciated, it's not so brilliant as T2, but it's still better than all following movies. I like it, it's following the original Terminator theme. And the Terminator storyline shouldn't be taken so seriously, it's an action flick based on Schwarzenegger's charisma, not science fiction.

Not-so-popular opinion: nobody ever needed a *second* Terminator-movie in the first place.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HONEST ABOUT TERMINATOR SALVATION! I always liked it. By the way James Cameron's OFFICIAL Terminator 3 idea from the 1990s was Skynet sends their entire army through time and a bunch of TechCom soldiers come to fight with John and Sarah

If only if only great vid guys

Justin Bieber made this movie flop all by himself. It's a SHE? Ohhhh.

The perfect terminator 3 would’ve been the memory sequences Reese has in “The terminator” of the dark gritty future with that sick ass synth playing in the background

I wish my friends and I had these kinds of conversations.