That's what I been saying to people If nintendo isn't saying/doing anything, then there no reason to yell at clouds

Totally agree, not to mention on how Nintendo has more than a decade to evolve the franchise and strike the PC market. Now they missed their chance.

I don't think it's about shutting down Palworld, but rather about specific desings. Not All pals pull from pokemon, some are original, and until the game released, not every pal was out there to be analyzed. Unlike a C&D when fangames straight up use nintendo IP, a litigation process - especially one that deals with plagiarism - probably has nintendo now consulting with multiple IP lawyers and consultants to asses on a 1:1 pokemon design to pal design basis, how strong of a case they would have. Not saying that it would happen but also saying that there's plenty of reason why nothing was done until release. Listen to the Kit & Krysta video on the subject, they used to work with PR within nintendo and they give some great insider knowledge on how they operate

Normally I’d agree but if they DID steal character models, you wouldn’t be able to prove that until after the game launched. I think The Pokemon Company (not Nintendo because contrary to popular belief I don’t think they’d be the ones filing legal action here) thought this game fly under the radar as ‘just another cheap knock off’ and even now I think they’d rather not draw attention to it. They probably expect this will all blow over and people will have forgotten about it in six months. It’ll be interesting to see what happens either way.

People's response to Nintendo's press release makes me laugh. "We're looking into it" is something companies and politicians say until everyone has moved on to some other issue and have stopped bothering them about "it".

100% - absurdity is at its core. Noah touches on it in his interview mentioning the moment the trailer changed tone and showed the AK-47 assembly line.

​@@A16ZGAMES yea reminds me of the bear scene from Baldur's Gate 3 in that respect

the way catching a person is a consequence of the mechanics and a choice on the part of the player really makes it funny more than anything. its surprisingly organic

Accessibility >

@@A16ZGAMES Accessibility and making easy to people to play with each other is the key to video game as once said the creator of Doom

@@A16ZGAMES Accessibility without patronize their audience like most studios absolutely obsessed with making it a core focus at the expense of player engagement and challenge. Clearly not everything has to be some groundbreaking, genre-defining, revolutionary xyz to be successful, sometimes you just gotta provide what an audience *actually wants* .

Scarlet/Violet sold 24 million copies. I think thats a sales record. Third highest selling pokemon game.

Yeah, plus he compares to a cover band or an impersonator but when has a cover band been better than the original? Or better yet, when have they released new songs in the same style to good reception because the original artist kept letting their fans down and wouldn't do it themselves?

When your angle is this game is a knockoff that means you don't understand what is happening. This game offers more than what the "original" does so how does it become a knockoff? Is In and Out a knockoff of McDonald's? More 19M have been playing Palworld and they haven't been out a month. What kind of mere knockoff gets these kinds of player base? Lol.

Gaming industry veterans having lost touch with what the audience *actually* values and is interested in? *Nooooo* how could that possibly be a thing?! I swear, you either get activists for some entirely unrelated political cause, or people desperate to "elevate the industry" powered solely on the updraft of their own farts. It's embarrassing to see how salty people are over some rando gaining financial success by just saying, "Fine, I'll do it myself."

The CEO of pocket pair has been pretty open about not having a creative vision. However, I would disagree with him. I was thinking the other day that Palworld is exactly the kind of game a little kid would make if you asked them to make their dream game. They would just smash all their favorite games together so that they would have one thing that had everything they loved. It's a seemingly immature vision but it is a vision, and honestly one that the industry is severely lacking these days. So many games these days feel like they work out the monetization of the game before they work out how to make the game fun. Palworld decided to throw everything they liked into a blender and then tweak it until all its systems fit together, then they threw it out at a budget price with no microtransactions. Their primary concern was making the game fun, rather than being original or finding ways to make a feedback loop that nickles and dimes their customers. The question now is how much will they commit to the game? If they continue to support it I can see it being a billion dollar franchise. If they don't. well... I'll still say I got my moneys worth. Though I think I would be disappointed. The game is a lot of fun but I think its also impossible to play it without seeing the potential for it to be even better.

@@happygimly6061 This exactly, have also mentioned elsewhere how uncanny it is from schoolyard "what ifs" about making a game. Cheering them on for actually bloody making it work with such a modest budget and initially way-in-over-their-heads development team.

Also play Palworld too. It's good fun as well.

Beautiful list want to add Monster Crown for its monster fusion creating 45000~ combos

One more good addition on the list is shin megami tensei.

Except none of tose are fun AT ALL. maybe Ni no kuni, but eh... nowhere near Palworld.

@@TreesPlease42I honestly don't have a good excuse as to how or why I forgot to mention SMT. Love me some of that too.

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Articunoscope @@A16ZGAMES

I think pikachu would like the desert eagle.

Magicarp with a shank

Good for you who are enjoying the game, but that is not creative vision, is finding a market opportunity and being quite ruthless in grabbing other people's creative vision to fill it. I'm sure they did make a fun game, props to them, but this is not creative, just cunning.

Yeah but maybe that’s part of what the Pokémon fanbase wants. If there’s a type of game you like and a franchise fits into it you don’t really want the franchise to try to reinvent itself just to please fans that don’t like that genre. Take Final Fantasy for example: after 10 they basically started trying to reinvent what had been a stellar turn based RPG into an action RPG because they thought that’s what the American demographic wanted and classic Final Fantasy fans are pissed because we haven’t had a good Final Fantasy in over a decade. Sure each game feels different, but is that a good thing when it’s a bad kind of different? On the other hand Dragon Quest uses more or less the same battle system it always has and is more popular than ever because it scratches that turn based demographic that Final Fantasy abandoned.

Exactly, and it’s not copying the genre tropes that skeptics take issue with, it’s the blatant “legally distinct” approach to design, almost across the board. If this game featured fully original character designs I think there’d be no controversy whatsoever, BUT let’s be real, this was a calculated decision. They KNEW pursuing copypasta designs would take care of their marketing in and of itself, and the tried and tested survival/crafting tropes would keep people hooked (speaking as someone who they work on lol). I don’t plan on touching this game for multiple reasons, I don’t begrudge people enjoying a product made to be a product, I REALLY wish GameFreak/The Pokemon Company would step up their game… but I do not like the precedent that rewarding this kind of design sets.

I don’t begrudge people enjoying a product made to be a product, I REALLY wish GameFreak/The Pokemon Company would step up their game… but I do not like the precedent that rewarding this kind of soulless, blatant copypasta design sets, ESPECIALLY with genAI banging on the doors of every creative industry. A couple years from now and so much could go to shit because people follow this game’s example but make use of even more legally/morally questionable tactics. Guess we’ll see.

@@D3stinySm4sher Direhowl looks just like Tiger from Monster Rancher, as well as Ranga from That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime... and every other hyped-up wolf-type in anime. Same with the Penguins and most of the rest, because they're based on real-world animals. It wasn't soulless, they wanted to make a fun game that people would just enjoy, rather than attempting to tell people what they want. Even if we look at Pal Spheres, SO many other ways this has been done in monster-tamer games. Spheres, Balls, Cards, Mystery Discs, Sigils, they've all been done in anime, manga, and video games. There is literally no way for them to make a monster-taming game without leaning into one of those territories. But they DID innovate, giving a vast open world, adding in elements of survival akin to ARK, fun ways of traversal like the Glider a la Breath of the Wild and a few other games that used gliders. And ALL of these games generally base their monster on real-world creatures or mythical ones. They ALSO allow the capture of humans, which is a bit of a first. Also, no insane laundry list of guys just standing around in the tall grass waiting for you to get in eyeline before challenging you to a Pal Battle. The idea of getting raided, being able to PROPERLY use your Pokemon outside of combat to build up your bases. You don't really buy Spheres in the game, you craft them yourself, and can eventually automate the process by finding better blueprints, and upgrading spheres as you go. Dragons? We've done pretty much everything you can do with dragons, so whatever they designed was, again, going to hit something. Cities Skylines was born out of SimCity dropping the ball, and dropping it hard. NO ONE gave them crap for it. Basically EVERY FPS game is built off of Quake, and the Unreal Tournament engine. It's not that they ripped off Pokemon, it's that Pokemon is so ubiquitous, and holding over 1000+ creatures, so there was never going to be a world where they didn't get compared to Pokemon.

Pokemon has and currently does make great games. Arceus. Scarlet.

I always thought Direhowl looked more like Tiger from Monster Rancher.

pals looking better than all pokémon is a hot take

I came to see adding new pals, recipes and materials. No need for new zones land is already big enough to explore.

​@@serpentblader0957i agree i hope they use the current map they have and really make it nice and full of content/pals before adding more areas. Right now even though the map is really big theres not really many points of interest other than randomly scattered pals, the occasional cave, a lifmunk or a skill tree

That's stupid

Enshrouded is an amazing game.

To be fair BOTW was held back still, and struggled to keep a stable 30 fps, but I get your point. Pokémon games seem to be less of a focus for Nintendo when compared to Zelda

@@apersonontheinternet8354 . But BOTW was one of the First game released on this new hardware , struggeling was normal. Pokemon had no excuse. They just tried to make a game in One year which resulted in a unpolished mess.

Yeah true, but is it enough to make a lawsuit. That's what I wanna know.

​@@serpentblader0957doubt superficial things like similar hairstyles is enough to fly in court

@@kdeas10 I mean it depends how many similarities would fly in court. As in how many of there design are copies to consider to making a lawsuit. The end of the day the this a legal case that we have not control over.

If only mainline Pokemon games aren't exclusively to Nintendo hardware, then yes.

@@channe3049 Then make it a spin-off.

That too will restrict by the hardware 😢... in the future maybe​@@PlebNC

I was disappointed the copied models bit was swept aside so quickly in this video because to me, that’s the entire issue I have with the game. I mean, yea, it’s a soulless cash-grab but a ton of those exist, it is what it is, consumers gonna consume. But given the quickly approaching genAI storm at the shores of creative industries, I feel endorsing and defending this kind of behavior is… not great? Especially if the models were indeed stolen (which we don’t know but, hoo boi is it worth investigating).

@@D3stinySm4sher yeah I tend to stop short of saying plagiarism or stolen assets but - as a 3D modeler - the odds of MULTIPLE assets overlapping THAT MUCH with other existing assets is just… too much. Once or twice is a coincidence but this much is a pattern. And anyone saying “ah but it’s slightly different, ah look at the topology”, if they know *anything* about 3D pipeline for games they’d know that you often remesh when sculpting or adding to an existing mesh, to merge it all together, and towards the end you tend to retopologize the whole thing to make it more performant, and then bake the details down into normal maps. The only way the meshes would be identical is if they had only recolored these things