Shanahan, Keefe, Marner and Tavares. Gone.

I think you saw without Austin Matthews the Leafs were actually playing like a team. When he's in the lineup its like the TeenWolf scene where this one individual does everything and the rest of the team hands the ball over to that one guy and his self glorification reigns supreme. That is the problem with the Leafs, they are not a team, Nylander, Marner, they are a group of individuals that can do great things one at a time. They will never go far with so many individuals on that team.

Frankie s clueless when it comes to what makes a captain. Top goal scorer doesnt mean you have leadership skills

As a Detroit Lions fan, the reason we were mediocre for 65 years was owners doing the same thing and expecting different results. It finally took a new owner to come and clean house from a front office perspective, hire the right coach, hire the right GM and completely change the culture to start seeing new levels of success. Not saying you need to sell the team, but the owner needs to make some drastic changes in order to set this thing straight.

The fans were paying $2,200 for a pair of lower bowl tickets, in round 1. They’re suckers and will keep coming to games. Why would MLSE ever want to change?

I think the new CEO for the Leafs should fire Brendan Shanahan and then make Brad Treliving both GM and president. Because they say this new CEO is going to be more hands on with not just the Leafs, but also the Raptors and Toronto FC. So I figure Shanahan would have less of a roll now in between the GM and the new CEO. So just make Treliving president and get rid of Shanahan.

The Sharks weren't able to get over the hump either, but at least they got to the finals once

Only change happening is a coaching change. Team hasn’t hit rock bottom yet and fans enjoy the regular season entertainment. You might to see some changes if they ever miss the playoffs entirely. It’s just not a serious hockey organization.

last 3 regular seasons ive watched a total of 15-20 games because the refuse to make the proper changes. this team has given me 0 reasons to give af about them

The Leafs need an All-Stat goalie below average goaltending has been their a chilies for 10 years now

Bruins fan here.......Yes give Matthews the 'C' and let him captain this hockey team forever. His (Non-Existent) leadership skills dont scare me and neither does his game come playoff time.

Matthews plays for personal milestones, has 1 goal in his last 10 playoff games, and Corrado wants to give him the captaincy? Delusional. I would keep Matthews over Marner, but Matthews is not captain material.

1 series win in 8 years is such a tragedy with all the talent on this team

What needs to change is......leaf fans stop buying tickets to support a team that doesn't give a SHIT ABOUT THEIR FANS.

Down 3 games to 1 has a 12.5 % chance of coming back and beating the odds...it was over after game 4 as far as i was concerned

Solid point, how could doing anything be worse

Marner has to go. Been saying it for over 5 years. Glad you turtles finally caught on.

Matthews wasn't injured, seemed like he was just... recovering from a rough night out

The better question is, what *doesn't* need to change? The offense that they're spending two thirds of their cap on almost never puts up more than 2 goals a game in the playoffs. The defense, minus Reilly and Brodie (who might be gone in the offseason due to being a UFA), is paid scraps. The goalies aren't anything special, aside from maybe Woll (who is still very young). The Shanaplan has failed. Keefe has been outcoached almost every series. At this point, accept that next year is going to be another wasted season, then blow it up once Tavares and Marner's contracts are up. Matthews, Nylander, and Reilly just signed massive extensions so they're not going anywhere for at least four years, but everyone else should be considered expendable.

It was obvious 4 years ago at least that this leadership/star group will not implement the winning grinding culture on any roster you build around to win a cup. I mean even if they made it past the first round more often, no way in hell they lead you to 4 series wins against good teams. Who is the big culture-forming guy on the leafs? Healthy scratched Reaves?

Making Matthews captain is not the solution. Clearly we need a solid goaltender.

Marner will get you a lot of results in the regular season, when the ice is wide open and he can skate fast. But once the playoffs start and teams stack the blue line, he plays dump the puck and gets slapped around like a feather in front of a fan. Offer him up and get either draft picks or get a real goalie that can install confidence to allow the defenders to be free. The Leafs have always had a trustworthy goalie that made other teams have respect, Potvin and Cujo for example. Morgan Reilly is an All Star and should fetch something useful by offloading him. Tavares shouldn't wear the C, lacks the fire needed to set an attitude come playoff time, even regular season he was missing in stretches. If we could offload him, great, but his contract was the boneheaded decision of some Penguin guy. Keefe is a nice guy but he is way too soft of a coach and gets dumbfounded when put under a microscope. This is not leadership. He doesn't develop the youth talent and he doesn't hold men accountable when necessary. Just see how the Bruins manager talked about Pasta needing to step it up and in Game 7, he was all over the place even before he scored in overtime. Sometimes people need to face the truth and man up. Props to the Leafs for taking it to 7 games, that was talent and grit. And at last, for some fans who bring about so much negativity by saying things like "I want to ditch this team" or "I regret rooting for this team", calm down. This team has a bunch of great young guys and a generational talent in Auston Matthews. Though lost, I am grateful for these Leafs when compared to what was before Matthews came. a few changes and this team is competing for Cups, like the Pens, Caps, and Lightning.

Giving Matthews the C is a joke. He is a huge part of the problem as well. Zero heart in the playoffs. He doesn't hate to lose and it shows.

I didn't realize 2024-2004 was 8 years, 1 playoff series with in 20 years, not 8 Frankie...

One playoffs series win in 8 years? You mean 20 years

I thought the microphone behind him was a glass of wine for a minute. I wouldn’t blame guy after that game 7 🤣

Best player does not mean best leader.

Shanahan needs to go, Keefe did his best but ultimately needs will also need to go. Marner should not only be traded but should never be allowed in Toronto again.

Matthews might be their best player, but the Leafs play more like a team when he's out of the lineup for some reason. Games 5 and 6 are two perfect recent examples. Either they are all waiting for him to do something, or they all adopt his (seemingly) passive mindset which just doesn't set the right tone. But what do I know.

Why do people keep harping on Marner but not Nylander? Marner: 50 pts in 57 playoff games Nylander: 43 pts in 54 playoff games Meanwhile Nylander looked unplugged when Pastrnak scored on Saturday. Marner’s more physical than Nylander, and guess who’s setting up Matthews/Nylander most the time?

Yes! Here we go! The fallout, I always look forward to this!

The C has nothing to do with this. Best player isn’t always captain. Marner, Shanahan needs to go.

One of the nice things about being older is that at least I was alive for a Leafs Stanley Cup.

Too much salary tied up in too few players. Depth suffers.

TURN UP THE VOLUME TSN

Still waiting to find out what was the sickness or injury that Matthews had?

Tavares should be bought out of his contact and if he was a TRUE Captain/leader commited to winning with the Leafs he should sign for less like a home town discount similar to what Crosby did to keep their core when they were winning which in turn will leave some cap space to accuire some depth instead of being front loaded and always depending on Matthews and Nylander to score all the goals

As good as Frankie Corrado was at playing hockey, he is going to be known as one of the best hockey commentators of this era!

Changing the C isnt going to bring a cup to TO.

"William Nylander has been the best playoff performer for this team". Could you make the bar a little lower? No. Not possible.

Unfortunately the last GM that suggested that Marner should be traded was fired by Shanny but now is it possible that even Brendan is out of a job since he is the ultimate authority in Toronto??

The Core Four have to be changed. Matthews and Nylander showed their stuff these playoffs. Taveres played well but was well good enough. Marner just doesn't to show up enough of the times in the playoffs....certainly not enough when they were without Nylander or even Matthews. Bertuzzi and Domi showed their stuff these playoffs, as did Knies. Edmundson and McCabe showed they belong with their play. Reilly was okay. Woll was lights out best goalie. But too much $ tied up in the Core Four to keep trying for another "wait until next year" approach. Ultimately it is not about regular season records but playoff results. So what changes need to be made? Despite their no-trade clauses new homes need to be found for Marner and Taveres. Free up some $ for some better defensemen & for true first string goalie (and maybe not Markstrom) while Woll is backup. Make Matthews Captain. Use Marner and Taveres to get some of missing pieces in trades. Use saved $ to resign Domi and Bertuzzi....and definitely keep Edmundson and McCabe....bye bye to Giordano and Brodie. Let Treliving do some magic and add his fingerprints to this team....add grit.....get a new coach as Keefe hasn't gotten them there in too many tries.....and maybe Shanny your time is up and so is your 'plan'.

They need to bring in those X factor depth guys and a 1A defenseman. One of the core 4 needs to be sacraficed to get that done. Sorry Mitch.

Don't need a rebuild. They just need to learn to play playoff hockey, kinda like they did in games 5,6,7. Something changed in those games and it was for the better. Playoff hockey is all about ground and pound, dump and chase, check and forecheck, commitment and sacrifice all in a relentless and unwavering manner. A really really really good netminder is handy too :) JMHO as a couch potato hockey fan. I could be wrong.

Y'A BLEW IT!

1967: Last Time the Leafs won the Cup and the last time the Leafs were in a Cup Final.

Matthews is not producing in playoffs. No one is mentionning that. Matthews team... Maybe that is the issue. What really matters are playoffs. 70 goals means nothing if you can produce when it matters.

As long as Toronto media keeps relentlessly blowing smoke up golden boy Matthews' a**, this team will never take the next step.

So many changes need to be made from the coaching staff to upper management and lastly the core four should be split up.

I’m not a leaf’s fan, but say Woll started this series. They prob wouldn’t have been down 3-1. From objective opinion, they have a very good roster. Couple tweaks, not an overhaul.

TSN, where do you find these guys from? Both Marner and Tavares have no trade in their contracts for another year. They're not going anywhere. Matthews is only good during the season. Matthews during the playoffs only had 1 goal. For a guy who had 60+ goals for the season, only having 1 goal post season is horrible.

I still want information on the "injuries" they sustained. Liars lie

The more i think about it the more i believe this falls on coaching and management. I think Matthews making such a hard push for 70 goals really drained him and now in hindsight they should have sat certin players to heal up for the playoffs once they clinched at 75 games because look at the series: Nylander misses the first couple of games and then Matthews sits and even when he came back you could tell he wasn't 100% the team was never in a healthy spot all series long. So yeah i think the team mangement needed to step in and sit the banged up guys to rest up for a playoff run but instead opted for the regular season accolades and it came back to bite them in the end. Basically Keefe and Shanahan all got to go then push hard on buying out Tavares hoping he commits to a 1 year deal for less money on the cap and try and fill out the roster with better depth IF they want to make actual push for a cup. the way the team in structured now is way to top heavy 4 guys (Matthews, Nylander, Mariner, Tavares) taking up way to much cap space causing lack of depth/role players.

Salary cap league forget about any changes except for the coach

stop giving away the no trade clause

Scoring has been tough in the playoff and Keefe sits Robertson in game 7! He forgets Robertson has the highest scoring rate only behind Matthews.

His name was Bill Barilko

Fire Shan-plan Fire Keefe & entire coaching staff. Make Treliving President & Gm have him hire as coach either Quenville or Berube. Do w.e it takes to trade Marner, Tavares, Reilly, Liligren, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Holmberg all soft players. Reason i say trade Reilly too is bc he has been a loser here for almost ten years you can't win with losers year after year. Matthews & Nylander have been losers too but they've committed to them long-term now so they're staying.

Tough job to fix the Leafs. 1. To move Tavares, you'd probably need to eat some of his salary and give up a draft pick. You won't get much for him. 2. Can't see getting much for Marner with a year left on his deal, a history of poor playoff performance, and his asking price will probably be $12-13 million/year. 3. Nylander could be moved for a good return but he's the only one of the big 4 that has shown some gumption in the playoffs. The boldest move would be to move Matthews. You'd get a ton for him and likely be able to quickly rebuild but I don't think they'll do that. So, I expect Keefe to be gone and Shanahan to be given one more year to get this team moving in the right direction. Once this core group lost to The Blue Jackets in 2020 and blew that series against Montreal in 2021, it was clearly evident that this core could not get it done come playoff time. But the great regular seasons made Shanahan and Dubas buy into the hype of this team. I'm surprised that Shanahan has put up with this for as long as he has. He is one of grittiest and toughest players in NHL history, played on gritty teams in Detroit, and was coached by some tough old school men in Bowman and Babcock. Yet, he's allowed softness to permeate his Leafs teams for the last decade.

The captaincy will change and the coaching will change. The core will remain intact.

Woll is the guy.

Change nothing and keep the team growing, perhaps few changes minimal

The biggest change that needs to happen is the coach. Keefe is not utilizing the players in the most effective way, and this was demonstrated in how he changed the lines in Game 4 and then had their worst game of the entire series. The level of effort and intensity finally got to where it needed to be in Games 5-7, but they should have been playing that way from Game 1.

I think you're really overestimating. How much of a difference it makes if Auston Matthews is captain VS Tavares

Definitely Marner is the bait to get a good defense man and also Samsonov in exchange for Jonathan Quick. And Reaves for Michael Bunting😂

Will they sell every ticket they can print? Drive TV HNIC ratings and sports radio listeners? The most profitable team in the NHL has no problem they can see. So why change anything?

They played very well as a team without Matthews instead of a team playing to pad Matthews goal stats. Explore a trade involving Matthews and a legit goalie. You will be looking at a serious cup contender

As long as the team is making money, nothing is going to change.

the contracts will make any change difficult , but the leafs are not a cup contender ! if the fans want a run and gun regular season and a playoff flameout next year then this is your team , but if fans want to build a solid contender serious change is required !

Management should not need "a little time" to figure out what to do about this team. They knew before the series ended. They could have committed to it over one beer post-game Sat. night. Now, do they have the stones to do it???

It’s hard to win in the nhl. People want change but the best change should be in net and maybe coaching and a new visionary.

#1 change should be the coach.

“Past the point of insanity” describes it perfectly. Start with the exit of Shanahan, Keefe and Marner. Two new goaltenders. And keep going . . .

Speaking for all other fanbases, please do nothing. Run it back 100%!

Morgan Rielly is the true captain I said it before Tavares arrived.

Don’t worry everyone, Tree will bring in Darryl Sutter, most likely will sign lucic and the Richie brothers. A Markstrom trade will be happening also.

I think "the guy who struggles in the playoffs" will thrive outside the Toronto market where he's not subjected to the constant psychological barrage and scrutiny of media and fans that is probably contributing to his lack of production or confidence. It was highly unfortunate he got burned for the OT goal, and his complete lack of attempt to stuff the puck into a wide open net was symptomatic of a need for change.

The chances of Marner and Reilly making team Canada just fell off I hope.

Now for some ancient history…. Keep in mind: the season after the Oilers traded 99, the Oilers won themselves another Cup. Gretzky had 149 points in 87-88.

Losing to Montreal was not insane. Carey Price and Shea Weber were the reason the Leafs lost.

I'm a VGK fan from the States, but from what I'm hearing, the Toronto Maple Leafs are the Dallas Cowboys of the NHL. Leafs: no playoff series wins in 8 years Cowboys: No NFC championship game appearances in 28 years.

You can move Tavares closer to deadline as his cap space would be easier for a team to retain his salary. He tries but is ineffective

It wouldn't surprise anyone if they ran this back again

Thumbs up if the owners should sell the team?

I can't believe they didn't make changes after losing the Columbus series. One of them needed to go as an example to the rest and as a way to rebalance the line up. They have waited too long. Rielly and Marner have NMC no move contracts. The team has zero leverage. Changing the captain is meaningless. They paid Tavares too much and then paid Matthews more twice. San Jose Sharks did it???? They never won. LA changed Captains in 2016. They haven't won a playoff series since. The Captaincy is meaningless.

Where Matthews and Marner are concerned...they haven't shown any bit of competitive heart "in the playoffs" during their tenure in Leafs Nation. Nylander is the only one of the core who has come into the playoffs of late and tried to produce. Tavares needs to go as does Marner. OR a good cut in their contracts along with a good scolding be given them in order that they are clear on what it means to play in Toronto, let alone in the NHL. Shanahan needs to be held accountable for the fiasco that he helped to facilitate in Leaf Nation. Like the TSN guy is saying this should have been dealt with years ago...who opted to leave things alone...Shanny. So...bye-bye, Shanahan!!! You're voted off the island. Cya!!! When Dubas went...he shouldn't have been alone, Shanahan should have been let go with him. The honourable thing would have had him resign, but...enough said, he figured pointing fingers was easier. This season is no different...Keefe's gone. And regarding the future Captancy...Matthews simply doesn't deserve it. You have got to be KIDDING TSN...Nylander should be given the Captain's 'C' as he produces regular season and beyond, unlike Matthews! The problem that we've been experiencing the last decade (almost) or simply put (since the onset of the core being the core) has been that two of the core play simply for regular season accolades/awards and have brought very, very little to the playoffs, and the third has just been getting slower and slower as well as finding it difficult to be creative year in and year out, again, of late. It's as if during the 1st round series they come to the conclusion that, well, they had an exceptional season thus far...this is awefully hard and quite taxing...and that is where they give up. No HEART is what I call it which they lack. Leaving Nylander to pull the team then...year after year in theplayoffs. To all you (now) bitter fans in Leaf Nation reading this...you know I'm right. That's why it hurts to read and acknowledge and admit that what I've written is actually the truth, the blunt truth at that, too. Shanahan is quite the comedian because what he helped create here in Toronto has been one BIG joke...indeed.

Change the “Jersey”!!!!…. The fans will believe it’s a different team.

NOTHING NEEDS TO CHANGE. COME ON, THEIR A GREAT TALENTED TEAM .GREAT SEASON EVERY YEAR.

ALL FOUR need to go.

One: the clip they showed the 3 stooges arguing? Nylander was mic’d up for likely a Netflix show, because the very next day at practice Nylander and Marner were sitting beside each other Laughing. Two: this team was never built for playoffs. Dubas built this team to be a puck possession team, which has proven not to work in the Cycling Playoffs. Three: Dubas had the chance Fall of 2018 to get an actual #1 D Man which he failed to do and resigned Nylander when the Leafs were Top 5 in scoring in the NHL. Four: trade Marner with a No Move clause? That would be Money in Money out. If there’s a #1 D man out there @$11 mill per that team won’t trade him. Five: before Any player personnel moves are made the Management MUST change, that being Coach and President. I’d see what George McPhee wanted and pay him a boat lode to come in as President(he built Vegas into a Perennial great team). The Coach is a no brainer. I’d fire Any coach that Dubas hired. There’s Quenville, Barube and a couple more out there to get.

Nylander is the true captain of this team.

How is there not a talk about Matthews being the obvious weak link?. They WON BOTH GAMES without him

Best player doesn’t equal captain

The core 4 and upper management but nothing will happen

Leafs needs to fire Brendan Shanahan and Sheldon Keefe!

Build the defence, everyone goes.

In a perfect world a great choice would be Matthew Knies for Captain he is the future he plays with heart & he showed he has jam to be here for the longhaul. It wont happen bc he's too young & in the shadow of the other Matthews but my vote for Captain would be Knies... Knies belongs on the top line going into next season. See what the kid has playing with either Matthews or Nylander for a full season give Knies top PP time too he has potential to get even better if he has the proper linemates. If Knies plays with secondary players he isn't or wont be as good he has to be given the opportunity to shine on all the top lines & PP. Knies showed me lots this playoffs that he is a core member of the team for years to follow.

Drastic pay cuts for Marner/Tavares if they want to stay. We need cap space! Need a goalie, need upgrades on D core

Use this as a take the C button

I do find it peculiar how the Leafs won two games without Matthews; I think he's a bigger reason than most give credit for for the Leafs loss. Personaly... would offer Florida Matthews for Tkachuk, one for one.. Instant cultural change