💯Look at Brandon Routh

@@Bulletsandblockbusters 😮😮😮 yeah you’re right. Never a leading man again but solid bit parts on TV and Scott Pilgrim.

He’s lucky to get that in this hashtag me too era.

Kinda like Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen.

I always wanted to know what exactly they had in mind and to see any footage they had cause if im not mistaken they already had alot of footage :/

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Your 100% right. They obviously had done preplanning with the marvel movies and it worked. Why didn’t they do that with Star Wars? They wanted a quick money grab IMHO

I don't think Star Wars needs to be planned that meticulously. You just need talented people telling stories they're passionate about. My worst nightmare is Star Wars becoming Marvel and getting stale after 5 years. You have to respect Kathleen Kennedy's willingness to take chances on projects like Andor, Acolyte, and the Filoniverse. Solo rocked, she could have kept making A Star Wars Stories

Counterpoint: Skyfall and Spectre, Shin Godzilla, The Prisoner of Azkaban, and yes, even The Lego Movie.

Hell yes! This is the movie I wanted!

Just read the Han Solo trilogy. It pretty much tells how he got into the empire, met chewie, and got the millennium falcon.

Seeing as how that’s the essence of Solo’s canonical backstory, that would’ve been LOADS better than what we got.

@@ab5olut3zero95 thanks for the compliment.

Anthony Ingruber was the popular fan casting for Solo. Supposedly he auditioned, but didn't get the part.

Disney specifically said at the time they didn't want someone who would do a Harrison Ford impersonation

he did get to play Harrison in Age of Adeline.

💯! Ingruber would have absolutely made us feel like we were actually watching a young Han Solo.

​@Brian Yassem Which shows how dumb they are. It would have been a hell of a lot easier to accept Ingruber as Han than Alden. And wasn't Glover doing a Billy Dee impression?

Saddening thing to know they were responsible for the best stuff in the film and not Howard. I fucking miss them

Agreed. Who cares to see any of that.

@@Bulletsandblockbusters I'd like to see some of it, just for fan service. But it was too much in one movie. I'd honestly have been fine if the Falcon wasn't even in the first movie, if this was supposed to be a trilogy.

I'd like to see the Legends story on how Chewbacca and Han met

And how he became Solo, yet how he got it was the dumbest thing ever

I have said this many times... If not for Last Jedi, I think the Solo film would have done fine. Do I think Solo is a master piece, no, but it was enjoyable. However, I think Last Jedi was such a massive waste of a film that it turned off far too many fans, and as a result they did not give Solo the chance that it deserved.

yes, and 4 months after Jedi closed was too early. They should have held it until Christmas, just like Rogue 1.

I agree. I know that is why *I* didn't see Solo in the theater.

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Yeah, Disney’s biggest sin with Star Wars is trying to turn it into a constant money printer just like they’ve been doing with the marvel trash that’s been pumped out day after day since endgame. A brand new Star Wars movie 4 months after the last one?? We used to go years in between Star Wars trilogy movies and decades between trilogies. Combine that with the absolute mess that was the movie that immediately preceded it and Solo was set up for failure before it ever released. Which is infuriating because I find it better than any of the sequel trilogy, and Rogue One is one of my favorites of any Star Wars movie, so ditching the entire Star Wars Story movie promise as a result is just tragic.

I would still like to see a version of their take. For sure. Would also like to see the David Ayer cut of Suicide Squad.

Cause that's what we need, more comedy? Good forbid keep a movie serious and adult.

​@@4Everlast But that's not what Star Wars is about Star Wars is meant to be a whole family movie - and I don't mean just "family friendly" as in it's okay for kids to watch, I mean it should be a unique experience for every age and maturity level It has to be funny and light and exciting to keep kids and teens engaged but also have overtones that you only catch as an adult and make it still interesting for them So yes, Star Wars has to be funny

@@samstromberg5593 100% and let's stop sheltering kids from death and such ugly, sad parts of the human experience.

@@4Everlast Really can't tell if that was sarcastic or not but either way I think you're right - people die, this is reality, and kids do need to know that. But there's no reason why you can't have death in a comedic film. Star Wars is one of the funniest film universes out there and people die in it all the time

Agree, I dont understand the hate, it COULD have been so much better quite easiliy, but at least it wasnt really BAD, like most Star Wars products have been. I just wish it would stop, there have now been more bad Star Wars productions than good ones, and its starting to tarnish the original trilogy.

I actually thought Alden Ehrenreich played Han Solo better than Harrison Ford ever did

@@Stratoszero >starting to tarnish the original trilogy. Since 1999.

I just watched this film for the first time 3 days ago and i couldn't agree more. I know people were really hard on Alden's performance, Some even wishing the studio had just done a CG de-aged Harrison Ford. And while I'm sure that would've been cool to see i don't think it would've really added much. Alden not only looked like Ford but sounded like him too. He did a really good job. Just wish the movie was better.

I couldn't make it through it, I tried 3 times and solo is my favorite character. Good on you though.

i agree, rogue one and solo were the only ones i have the same love as i do the originals. I was pissed when they cut plans to use qira and maul in future. kk should take a boat ride into a mine field.

It was definitely the best, with rogue one as a close second. This movie was betrayed. Popular KZfaqrs were paid to review bomb this movie and convinced everyone to boycott this movie, yet everyone still went to see the rise of Skywalker and the last Jedi. We could have had more great movies like this, but instead the fandom relies on their favorite streamers opinions, instead of forming their own

@@entertainmentgaming8738 This movie sucks because it’s an auteurless piece of shit that fucked over one of the greatest filmmaking duos of all time. When you hire Lord & Miller to direct a film, when you see their track record, you let them do their thing. End of story.

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I enjoyed some of them in Solo but I cared about the characters a lot more in Rogue One personally, even with some of them not getting enough screentime, and was more affected by how things played out.

Lord & Miller were fired. Their vision was destroyed and watered down. There is nothing worth defending about that.

I really really wanted Lord & Miller back in the director’s chair, especially after their firing from Solo. It’ll be a bit of a relief to see them back.

There was a lot of improvisation on the set of the original Star Wars. The actors kept changing Lucas' terrible lines, I doubt it would have worked without them.

@@mishynaofficial i'M OuT oF It 4 a LiTtle wHile eVEryboDY gEtz dEluSIonS Of GRanDeUr Yeah if that acting and line was in the prequels you'd bitch till you'd figure out you're still a virgin Should we go over more stupid lines and acting in the first three?

My friend, Han solo is a memorable character because of Harrison Ford's amazing improvization

I feel so bad reading this. Lord & Miller are amazing filmmakers and their films have been major inspirations. I’ve been starving to see another film directed by them again.

Good point and agreed!

Yep, they pretty much threw in the origin story of every iconic Han Solo thing. His blaster. Knowing Lando. Getting the Falcon. Meeting Chewie. Getting his wardrobe. How he got famous for the Kessel Run. I guess in retrospect it's good all that was in there, because we aren't going to get any more movies.

@@franciscodanconia4324- His name, his dice....

@@franciscodanconia4324 And Red Letter Media predicted a majority of this before the movie was even released.

No, the biggest misstep was fucking over one of the greatest filmmaking duos of all time

Would've been so much better as a series.

Yeah because the Disney+ Star Wars series are so much better than their films! /s Disney SW films I score 4/10. Disney+ SW series I score 2/10. Rather have the films.

ooooorrrr it should have been a Lord & Miller movie.

All movies they directed are some of the best films of the 21st century. The SpiderVerse movies are also great. It pisses me off they’re never given the treatment Zack Snyder had.

KK wasn't looking for extra takes, she was looking for extra coverage, which L&M weren't getting.

Lord and Miller did the same crap on their Spiderverse movies, so when you combine them and Kennedy you get a disaster.

Not doing extra coverage is good, actually. Look at the works of Park Chan-wook, some of the best visual storytelling in all of cinema.

That would change nothing compared to Lord & Miller being fired.

I wish Lawrence Kasdan wasn’t so apprehensive about defending his script

that does make me think the sequels could have been better - maybe getting all the fan service out of the way meant films 2 and 3 would have the real story - Maul, Xixor, Vader, qira... that sounds like it could have been cool

Define Woke

@@mttylerdurden9 Woke= Cultural Marxism. A woke person is someone who has been indoctrinated by Marxist ideologies. Also referred to as a "useful idiot". Step one of the "Four steps for Communist ideological subversion". (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985) Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance. Communism and Religion Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. *To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”* Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, *structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.* *“[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system,* when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. *For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more.* They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power-obviously they get offended-they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”

This is somewhat mentioned. Aldenreich was an accomplished actor by this point and needed no coaching to know HOW to act... As was well reported at that time is what he sought was help in finding a way to meld the off script/off the wall improv technique of L&M with the need to find a characterization of Ford/Han at a much younger age so fans would most definitely experience a younger Han Solo not just some random actor ignoring the iconic but recreating the role his way. He literally went out of his way to find a way to better create a young Solo based on the character in SW4/5/6...and has spent years often being lambasted for it.

Bingo

Thanks!!!

Thanks!!!

Lucasfilm did the same, which is why the prequels were such crap. For instance, I read interviews with some of the MANY writers hired to work on Indy 4's script (what became Crystal Skull) and Lucasfilm was described as a creative black hole where everyone was more concerned with pleasing their bosses than making good art. A truly bad experience for all involved.

I think Howard’s

@@Bulletsandblockbusters no pay off in the end

He was thrown off rogue one in post production and the film was recut with new scenes shot

@@Bulletsandblockbusters oh what I didn't realise that. Out of all the non Lucas films Rogue One felt like it could have been made alongside the original trilogy. It's just a really good film

If they were to boycott Solo, they should have done it for Lord & Miller and not because they wanted to call death towards one of the most misunderstood blockbuster directors next to Sam Mendes and The Wachowski Sisters.

We should bankrupt major studios

I totally respect that and love that you dug it!

Orrrrrr, you could just go watch Project Hail Mary.............or watch any Lord & Miller movie.

I’ve always found the picture so dark and muddy. I can’t tell what I’m even looking at half the time.

​@@Bulletsandblockbusters I didn't have that problem in the theater, but most certainly do watching it at home,...or on an airliner.

Same! I never saw it in theatres 😬

Craft and execution matter. Lord & Miller are masters of those very things and Howard isn’t. A bad idea executed well matters more than a good idea executed poorly.

The Marvel-ization of most action movies has been excruciating. Cheesy, sitcom-level one-liners and tons of snarky, immature dialogue that makes the adult characters all seem like teenagers and that completely kills any build-up of tension. That and the unfocused scripts and absolutely bloated run-times.

@@derkeheath5172 Except Lord & Miller are one of the greatest filmmaking duos of all time and their movies are anything but Marvel--zation. Cram the hell up and watch real movies.

None of that matters compared to firing Lord & Miller.

My theory is that Chewy tried to pull Han’s arms and legs off in some kind of temper tantrum and it ended up stretching him to 6'2

LMAO

I'd think a young Solo WOULD be a pretty happy dude - an unabashed scoundrel enjoying what he does. It would only be later in life that it would weigh him down.

Who ever said Han wasn't a happy guy? In ANH he seemed to be having a lot of fun chasing those troopers, and had a pretty big grin on his face when he saved Luke in the end. To name but a few.

@@lookingforwookiecopilot he looked pretty bad in the film. Like a fan boy who was thrilled to be in a star wars film.

@@crakatoot5480 Hmm,...not really, but if that's how you saw him, then its too bad.

@@lookingforwookiecopilot I don’t know, an orphan that grew up in abject poverty on a plant controlled by criminals, I don’t think he’d be so happy go lucky.

I found the cinematography very dark and muddy. Some of the darker scenes it was hard to tell what I was looking at.

@@Bulletsandblockbusters yep that’s what I was aiming at , entirely agree

Shame he not only wrote a bad script but became so close-minded over refusing to let it grow and work as a film. Lord & Miller were in the right. Solo fucking sucks.

I didn't know they wrote Morbius.

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Lol, you just described the prequel trilogy.

Han Solo had an interesting backstory in Legends that I would’ve like to see in film form. I still like Solo: a Star Wars movie, but the execution and focus was pretty poor.

@@lookingforwookiecopilotabsolutely not true lol

@@Yeeyeeenation Nope, its true. Back in the 80's and 90's everyone wanted more Han, Luke, and, Leia, not the origin story of a side character and the villain.

All the more reason to do it in table reads or rehearsals.

22 Jump Street is one of the greatest comedy films ever made so I would have let them cook.

maybe you should wait for project hail mary instead

100%

Firing Phil Lord & Chris Miller is more than a valid reason for me to hate this movie. Fuck Star Wars, just wait for Project Hail Mary instead.

SW culture has lost so much

I hate it because it’s a thought-cancelling auteurless piece of shit that. Firing Lord & Miller was the worst thing to ever happen in the history of cinema.