That's exactly what it is; ignorance. Coupled with a stubborn, willful refusal to even look at what the actual costs a National Healthcare system would be, and a very bad taste left in their mouths by the failed ACA (Obamacare). I'm sorry. Obama's heart may have been in the right place, but that attempt at compromise is nothing but a mess, and people are afraid we'd be going from the frying pay into the fire. We could have a successful and workable National Healthcare system, but unfortunately the Bozos we have running the government are not capable of writing the necessary legislation.

"the governement shouldn't have to provide individual... They need to get a job, they need to get a job that has health insurance..." Yes, pure ignorance. They don't seem to understand paying taxes will benefit them and their families aswell! They just don't want "poor people" to have an easy life. A lot of people seem to think that the only reason people don't work is because they are lazy and immoral somehow. So any job that, still needs to be done by the way, doesn't have health insurance - noone should just do? And they should get a well paying job, not a low paying one - so who is going to do the low salary jobs then? We can't all be lawyers and engineers, Karen! Someone has to clean our facilites, serve our food and do the dishes! And maybe we should pay them a salary they can live off of because they deserve at least that?! Some Americans just have me so frustrated! Also; hi neighbour 🇧🇻✨🇸🇪

​@@scotthullinger4684 Damn! What is it with people tossing word salads today? You talk about socialism, but I honestly don't think you know what socialism is. Whatever it is that people in California are running away from, it's not socialism. The only other point you tried to make that I'm going to address (I'm really not going to weed my way through that hot mess you posted. Wish you'd learn to make paragraph breaks) is housing costs. I live in Michigan. Our house is a two story, 3 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath on almost 4 acres. The house is just under 2,000 square feet. It has a 2 car, attached garage and 2 out buildings. We have mature trees and landscaping, 1/2 acre fenced for our dogs, and a wood lot. And we live in a good school district, less than 10 miles from a metropolitan area of over 350,000 people, a major public university as well as a private liberal arts college and a community colleges. It also has a campus of Davenport University. And our house's appraisal is less than $300,000. There are LOTS of "ordinary houses" for less than $200,000 in the area. Affordable enough for you? One last thing; I'm pretty sure you have no idea what the actual numbers are, or what tax increases would be. You're just parroting what most opponents of universal healthcare like to toss out to scare people, because they don't have a clue, either.

@@scotthullinger4684 Where did I say "Capitalism bad. Socialism/Communism good?" You don't even know what Socialism and Communism are, so perhaps you should table that portion of your argument, because it just makes you look foolish. Where did I say I love Michigan? Beloved? I think not. The weather sucks, and the people remind me too much of people like you. And you attempt to needle me by insulting the governor fell a little wide of the mark. Did you forget that a lot of us don't like her much? And while you call her an idiot, let me remind you that she is governor of a state while you........? What is your major accomplishment again? And where did I say I was in support of the Universal Healthcare proposed by Democrats? I'm pretty sure I did not. I just said I'm in favor of a universal healthcare system of some sort that works. So, let me ask you two questions; Why are you in favor of keeping a healthcare system that doesn't work, and leaves some people without medical care? And I'm not talking about indigent people, because they can get Medicaid. I'm talking about hard working people who are paying over $1,000/month for an insurance plan with a $12,000 deductible, leaving them with a policy they can't afford to use. And why do you think you're proving anything by lying, making false assumptions, and trying to take me to task for things I never said? I'm not chasing your red herrings any farther, sweetie. Like all dead fish, they stink.

@@scotthullinger4684 If I want to complain about Michigan's weather, I will. I do not need your permission. So get bent. The topic under discussion is Universal Healthcare. Stay on topic or pound sand, "cause I'm not chasing anymore of your stinking dead fish. And if you want me to read your posts, LEARN TO MAKE PARAGRAPH BREAKS!

the difference is: British people pay a lot of taxes for the NHS - while Americans pay a lot of taxes for expensive military hardware ... and additionally a lot of money for health insurances and for medical treatments. On average, Americans pay each year more than twice as much money per person for "healthcare " than residents of any European country.

@@tobyk.4911 Let's not forget the best bit. We don't have to fill in tax returns in the UK. It's taken from our wages before we even get them, so, another headache we don't get. PAYE. Something the Americans could never do. Why? Corrupt politicians and lobbyists.

Enjoy your 40% tax rate while the USA pays ~15% for same pay rate. Have a great day. Maybe after you go back to school you can pass 10 year old math class next time.

@@w8stral Thanks for demonstrating to the world your complete ignorance of the subject in hand. Tell me, Mr America...how many people in the US lose their homes every year due to medical bills? ( yes, I already know the answer). How many refuse to see the doctor even when their quite ill, because they can't afford it? You really don't get it, do you simpleton? People who pay 40% tax HAVE to be earning at least 100,000 pounds a year and the Tax is Proportional! Most millionaires, billionaires and Multi-National Corporations PAY NOTHING IN TAX. So...Socialism...don't make me f***ing laugh. NOBODY, rich or poverty-stricken Por, EVER Worries about falling ill in Europe. Even Cancer: its covered. AMERICA HAS SOCIALISM -But its For Corporations and Multi-Nationals!! Companies are almost forced to provide Health Insurance for its workers! That's a massive increase in overheads to business in America! You Pay Taxes...But your all still getting screwed. IF you're unfortunate enough to get cancer and need treatment for the next four years....that 15% tax bill of yours ain't gonna be worth squat when you have to find $2 Million to pay for your Chemo and Radiotherapy....but hey...if you're happy with being ripped off, good on you: seems most Americans enjoy being selfish assholes, glad I don't have to live there to 'enjoy' what passes for a health service....

@@swannvictor1388 Give you a hint, for taxes, bankruptcy, etc there is ALWAYS a medical exemption throughout the USA... Oh ignorant one. Quoting the completely made up democratic talking points from "nerd wallet" who even admitted they "estimated" from..... thin air... their statistics. Then you have fools at the Guardian requoting Democrat talking points here in the USA who were quoting someone making it up out of thin air... Bravo!.... And there is a vast multitude of charity organizations who pay for young people's Chemo etc and are covered under medicaid but not fully. Old farts who have 80% of EVERY dollar in medical bills are covered by Medicare. The only people in the USA who are not covered by socialized health care are the working age population who choose to work and tourists. Your basic ignorance of the USA is pretty amazing. The only thing I will easily concede is emergency care for tourists should be covered by medicaid/medicare.

Yes but Bono is avoiding his taxes as much as he can

Not a good analogy using Bono!

Jeez guys, it's just a song lyric, and don't fall for the ad hominem logical fallacy.

It ruins your point when you quote the words of a bellend.

right & they set bound on the idea that the goverment should not provide any services for the people like wtf, goverment is there to serve the people not the other way around

Someone needs to tell some people that yes, it means a slight increase in taxes, but against that it means no payment for private health insurance premiums. For most people that's probably going to mean a minimum net gain of at least $500 a month.

If you don't have a social safety net, you end up with a subculture of thieving smackheads that bring misery to society. For a functional society, you have to help people that need help, unless you want to start putting them in camps. I'm pretty sure this is what all that Christianity stuff was _supposed to be about_

But but but if you are SUPER rich you gonna pay for the poor people who paid less taxes than you, AND YOU ARE OK WITH THAT?

@@eloisecole3579 yes.

@@eloisecole3579 might be surprising to you as not supporting your narrative : even our richies ask for more taxation as they know : if they take care of their workforce - the workforce will be fitter to produce more goods - raising the income of their factories... something known outside of the US ...

An unfortunate truth.

This 100%

Actually there is no "system", it's just private companies. With your idea, you could also say car insurances are made to finance body shops. That's not the case, that's more a side effect. An isurance company is made to be profitable by itself. Not more not less - as any other company. They are not there to make the hospitals rich -not even a little bit. As any inurance, they will try to cover as little as possible.

Wealthcare, not healthcare

@@holger_p It actually depends, the original idea behind mutual insurance was just that. Mutual aid. I had a colleague who worked for a re-insurance company. I didn't really know what that was so when I asked him he told me you had to understand the origins of mutual insurance companies. Originally in your little town out on the plains or woods or whatever, you had a fire, and your house burns down, it's devastating to you. The idea was you form an agreement with your neighbors, if your barn burns down, I'll bring my tools and a wagon of lumber, others will do the same and we build you a new barn. As time goes on it becomes more convenient for all of us to pay a bit of money into a pot and when someone's barn or house burns down, we'll pay someone to build you a new one. The idea behind re-insurance companies is that if something big, like a big tornado or windstorm comes through and takes out most of the buildings in town, we don't have the funds in our local pot to rebuild so essentially re-insurance is an insurance company for insurance companies and spreads the risk over a every bigger area to reduce the chance of a single incident bringing down the whole system.

Don’t call it tax then but “society contribution”..

Man, health insurance is mandatory in my country, but 1400 is about what I pay for a year! We do actually have to pay up to 400 more out of pocket (and some care is exempt from that). I'm young and healthy so I'm mostly paying for other people to receive care so far, but I'm sure my time will come. We all get old after all...

@@hennobrandsma4755 They'll hate that even more as that implies assisting others and that's part of the thing they hate most, if you look at the likes of the lady with glasses in the video, the idea that a low-income person might benefit from what I am going to wager is her husband's tax dollars sickens her more than any hospital-related illness.

Because they are Thick

@@jimmunro4649 They are not smart people...

that also applies to braincells apparently :)

the air is free, she should stop breathin wwith this logic

And their mental health and the state of their brain cells... 😑

Welcome to the American dream.

Isn't America supposedly "the land of the free"? So I guess it's not worth having Americans at all (which in certain aspects might actually apply but in others very much does not).

Same in Germany, i got sick, my appendix popped up and my doctor didnt realize it at first.. he sent me to another doctor to do ultrasound but they couldnt see anything so i was sent to another doctor for an computer tomography.. I rushed into hospital and got my appendix removed on the same day.. however, i woke up and had some breathing issues, so i had to stay in ICU for 3 days. In total i was 8 days in hospital and it costs me exactly 80 Euro... 10 Euro per day for the hospital.. i am really glad for our social healthcare system!

My wife and I had a very similar situation to the first part. She was pregnant with twins and went into labor 8 weeks early. She required an emergency C-section, and spent 1 week in the hospital in recovery. Our babies spent almost two months in the NICU. We were both fast-food employees, with no access to health insurance. Our total hospital bill came up to $1.27 million dollars. At that point, I was making $15,000 a year.

@@yerghaizverot6441 holy Moly, you will need more than one life to pay this back

@@yerghaizverot6441 Jesus. I knew that it would be expensive but I never really dared imagine how expensive. Thanks for your story. I hope all of you are doing OK even with that high amount of debt.

@@yerghaizverot6441 Wow! 😮 My wife and I were in almost the exact same situation except we were living in the UK (Edinburgh). My twin daughters were 9 weeks premature and ended up spending two and a half months in the NNU (with the first week in NICU). The whole thing cost us nothing, except for the parking and even then they gave us a special pass for £3/day that let us come and go at any time. They also cared for my wife for free as she had to recover from having HELPP syndrome that caused the emergency C-section in the first place. I was able to sleep in the private room with her for 9 days after the birth. During those months my wife developed mastitis which was treated at a different hospital which had a specialist breast clinic. That was obviously free too. I really hope the US can change. The most encouraging thing in this video is the young people all seemed intelligent and frankly more aware than the older people on the video. Let’s hope it bodes well for the future.

in germany, health is a right and not a priviledge. next week i will start my second hospital stay (for the third surgery) this year, and everything associated with it from doctors to nurses, x-rays, ct, mrt, other specialized tests is free, except for the hospital stay which is only 10€ per day, and even that is capped to 30 days or 300€ per year. for doctors and prescriptions i pay nothing, but (outside of hospital where it is free) only a copay of 10% for the prescription drugs themselves, which also has a low cap of 5€ and a high cap of 10€ for each (even if it would be something that costs 1000+ €). thus for me it ends up at 17.50€ every 100 days or

@@Anson_AKB You forgot that we Germans can go to *any* doctor and *any* hospital we want, not like in the U.S., where the insurance tell you where to go and where not. Who has more freedom now?

@@hape3862 yes, and going into more details about any subject causes walls of text :-) usually, everybody has his own _"Hausarzt"_ (a general doctor who is specialized "for everything" and additionally can have other specializations too) to talk to first (to have one doctor who already knows you, has all your data and history, and to avoid doing unnecessary unhelpful visits to random doctors or hospitals), but you can select this _"Hausarzt"_ and other doctors yourself and also switch to another one (if necessary, and usually at most once per quarter). there are a few exceptions where you go directly to a specialist (afaik, this is for those specializations which are obvious: dentist, gynecologist, "eye doctor"). for all "simple problems" you go to him to get treatment directly, and for specific more difficult problems you will get a "prescription" from him to go to another doctor or hospital who are specialized for xxx, this can be a specific one that the doctor can recommend because of eg special equipment (like having X-rays, MRT, CT, etc), or you select that other doctor yourself (with that "forwarding prescription" saying "for further treatment of xxx" or "for assisting in doing yyy"). for further checks or treatment after this, you always also will be "forwarded" to the next one (again: to avoid unhelpful choices that only would cost money without giving results), but only depending on their equipment and abilities/specialization and your choice, and not because of the insurance companies wishes. at most and only for unusual treatments or very costly checks (like one "nuclear CT" that costs 1800€, which probably would be 10k$+ in the USA?), you will be asked to formally get the insurance to sign the "forwarding prescription", but (at least for me) that always was immediately and automatically granted. in emergencies (after an accident or when you fall ill while your _"Hausarzt"_ is not available) you can go to any hospital's ER or call a central phone number to send a doctor for first treatment and/or for such a "forwarding prescription". if you call 112 (the nationwide phone number for firefighters and also ambulance) they will send an ambulance, do a first quick evaluation, first help (stop bleedings, whatever) and then transport you to the nearest hospital that is suited (eg specialized in specific surgery, stroke treatment, etc) and has free capacity at that time to start treatment immediately. but not asking the insurance first, and without any worry to you since transport and any hospital is free of charge for you anyway. btw: since it's free, i usually have no idea about prices of treatments i got or hospital costs (except for those 10€ per day, max 300€ per year). but from my mother who has private insurance (pay first yourself, and later get it back from the insurance) i know that eg a normal ride with the ambulance in our town costs 75€ which is nowhere near the 1000$ of the usa. other costs: getting a prescription ~3€, with additional ~5€ for "consultation" and ~25€ for "travel time up to 5km" when the doctor visits her. Besides getting this back, i think that these entire costs would still be less than the copay or deduction in the usa !?

@@Anson_AKB tiny correction, the hospital copayment is 28 days 280€ capped per year.

"Getting the meds from drugstore 5€, sometimes if two meds 10€ max" No, you can also have one med that cost you 10 EUR. 5 EUR is minimum you have to pay, 10 EUR is maxium. All amounts between are 10% of the price of the med.

I am amazed at people considering they don’t have to take care of their owns.

I know right, even the Australian, (socialist), system is much better than what that shithole American mess is!

@@frederic4844 So what happens to your son or daughter that is born with a congenital heart disease, and needs surgery. Oh I forgot, it's user pays in the USA?🙄

@@Anth1963 Probably, you misread my answer, which was not that clear, I admit. I belong to a country who takes care of its owns via medicare, what is beyond me is why would any country refuse to do the same.

@@Anth1963 Healthcare in Australia is pretty good but Australia is not a welfare state so how can you call the health system socialist?We are imposted a percentage of our pay to have this privilege, and all my family have paid tax all our lives, but we are still ahead--Listen to that spun out guy--I had to turn him off!

@@scotthullinger4684 The NHS is there for all whether rich or poor, I know you struggle to get your head around social health care and how it works, based on your previous comments, but it definitely is more effective across Europe.

The USA is the only country who has this awful healthcare where human are only sees as profits ,in all the world health is an absolute inalienable right so as you know here it's simple if u are sick you go to the doctor

@@scotthullinger4684 selfish ness at all point

@@kevinbarnbrook4728 in France it's social security

@@MrApocalyptica83 similar to UK

She was lying all the time.

Dear Mr. Walsh, just read your comment and hope that you have recovered from your operation. Pancreatic cancer is nothing to sneeze off and I sincerely hope you are on your way to getting well again. Wish you luck and good health in the future!

I will man any barricade to protect the NHS. I am pleased you are getting world class treatment and wish you the best on your journey to recovery

Wishing you all the very best for a speedy and safe recovery. I also love the NHS, it has looked after me and my son so many times. God bless our wonderful NHS and the fantastic staff who work in it.

so you dont pay taxes??? it is costing you, and me. because America's high prices are whats covering the difference for those oligarch ran companies to cut yalls prices

@@chriskeel3096 Of course I pay taxes at 20% but so do Americans, the difference is Americans have to pay extortionate health costs on top of there taxes we in the UK don't.

Presumably she refuses to travel on the 'free' roads...

Originally the Fire Service was private. It as run by the Insurance Company's. Each Insurance Company had it own Fire Department(s). If your house caught fire and you had insurance they would fight the fire. If you did not have insurance a fire department (sometimes several fire departments) would sit by and watch your house burn down and would only fight it if there was a danger of the fire spreading to a house they did insure. You could not get them to fight the fire if you were not a client under any circumstances. Even offering money would not help. Their logic was that if you knew you could get them to fight the fire without being a paying customer, why would you join their company. Capitalism: ain't it a hoot! Even though so many say they hate Socialism, government run Fire Departments (and Police) IS Socialism.

we do, through taxation for those services. or do you really think its free????

@@chriskeel3096 Take a step back to where this began. Many other countries provide health care for all through taxation. This was US citizens speaking out against that system. Of course it's not free. Just free of avoiding seeking medical assistance because of financial hardship. Health care for all isn't a pipedream. It's a reality here and in many other nations. The US system is what it is and will be for the foreseeable future. Vive la difference.

@Петро Ґ You are a very funny and uninformed person. Who funds Fire Departments? Tax Payers - silly. That means they are government run. Just like library's, community recreation centres, social programs, etc..Rather then making up comparisons that make no sense , perhaps you should try thinking things through before typing comedy material. Plus, it is apparent you have no idea what socialism is. You seem to have the very American conservative attitude that socialism is only things you don't agree with.

It costs me $1500 a year for Medicare and Ambulance Insurance. ($1400 + $100)

A British Citizen / Resident can have private health insurance & still use the NHS. They can actually have the best of both worlds. Fact.

I live in Canada and my mom has been in the hospital since March 9. I watch videos of how much medical care costs in the US and just think if we lived there we'd be bankrupt by now. God bless my homeland.

@@cunningdeb3129 Sounds about right. God bless Canada & all other countries with a proper healthcare system that benefits the population & not the insurance companies.

@@maudeboggins9834 if you think about it, insurences companies are just legal ponzy piramids

@@gabrielbattais4185 Not really. If you pay in & need a claim you generally get the payment that has been my experience anyway. Perhaps you have been shafted. Sorry about that.

36c in every tax $goes to defence spending, in a country which is too big to defeat.

And yet I pay less than 1/3 the amount of taxes in the US and have excellent health insurance. In the UK, I would be in the 45% tax bracket, in the US - I paid less than 10% (federal and local income taxes combined). If I paid the full price of my insurance (instead of employer subsidized) - I would still be paying less than UK taxes. Yes, we do have deductibles ($7 med, $20 DR, $50 hospital) but my out of pocket limit for a year is $1500. And on top of that - my health insurance actually pays me bonuses for routine checkups, eye exams, dentist, etc. Assuming nothing catastrophic comes up this year and I have to pay an $1500 out of pocket limit then I will have actually earned more money from health insurance than I paid.

@@bigdog8008 my husband is American and I see his tax forms. This sounds like a lie.

@@bigdog8008Like any system the US healthcare system works ok for some people, but it is also worth noting the US has the worse outcomes of ANY developed nation-whether you have insurance or not. Similarly with the tax bracket- very few people earn a great deal over £126,000 in the UK which is when the 45% kicks in, for income over that level only .

@@lauraholland347 Worst outcome? I assume cancer survivability counts as these worst incomes. Such as breast cancer survival - US at 88.6%, UK at 81.7%, Stomach cancer survival - US = 29.1%, UK = 18.5%, Lung cancer survival - US = 18.7%, UK = 9.6%, Prostate cancer survival - US = 97.2%, UK = 83.2%. How about treatment of such items as kidney stones. Quite painful yet our UK had a wait as long as 3-6 months but is now proud to have the wait down to just 6 weeks. My wait time for treatment - next day for lithotripsy. Recent Bloomberg report "More than 7 million patients are now waiting for treatments, with more than 350,000 left waiting longer than 52 weeks." And you said the US has the worst outcome. Obviously you are clueless or gullible enough to believe everything you see on the internet. Similarly for the tax bracket in the UK - 45% above £126,000. I'm well above that amount, last year's income taxes = 8.9%.

Many years ago a friend and I spoke to an old British guy whilst on a sailing holiday in Greece. We helped him moor his small yacht up in a place called Sivota on the Island of Levkas. We were chatting away over a couple of beers and it turned out that he was a fair bit older than us, 20 years-odd older than me and 10 years older than Pete. We asked him what it was like living in Greece at his age (he was 73-odd in 2001). He said no problem, he paid a small amount for National Health Insurance and got complete health coverage. In fact he needed a cataract operation on one of his eyes, he asked how long he'd have to wait and was told "any time you want it". He was going into hospital the next day, no cost, no wait, no problem.

well i believe this is the cost when you are a WAR machine :)

Very sad that people don't support curing people of their illness and would rather see their young men die for wars of nothing. I would believe that they're that stupid but they're not they just don't have the integrity to admit that they're slaves.

I don't get how that isn't talked about more or measured against each other. All these "but muh freedom, uuuh taxes uuuh." people apparently don't mind when the taxes go to war, but healthcare for everyone? Naah, dats Satan talking.

@@Kaspisify Yeah it would collapse the racial social darwinist buffer preventing upward mobility so no.

Sad part is that America is a country that could easily afford both but chooses not to.

lol much greener!

@@NateLawson And less flammable, we had a very wet summer!

@@dutchman7623 almost to wet

@@dutchman7623 Mind sharing? We've had the most severe droughts in recorded history for 3 years straight in Germany ^^

@@MellonVegan The Dutch government and waterboards are negotiating with Belgium and Germany to retain rain water. If there is a lot of rain, they should assign areas that can overflow without causing damage. Now they are releasing all the water as quickly as possible, causing problems in our border regions like Roermond and Valkenburg where the waterways can not manage the enormous amount of water at once. It would be very beneficial for both countries as well because the floods of last summer where the result of lack of management. Because of our water management there were no problems downstream.

Dense yes. That's not even exaggeration.

@@LifeOnHoth i'd say that qualifies as an understatement.

The best part is that the NHS isn't even the best option out there and (from what I've heard) has quite a few issues itself, yet is still massively preferable to the shit show that is the American healthcare system.

No they are not on par with 3rd world countries....we malaysian have cheap health care....

She is freaking nuts. She should be charged for the air she is breathing. Disgusting.

Sweden adapted a lot of the german system short after as first nation to do so.

Because US Americans always confuse social democracy and socialism, they have no idea how the system works in Europe. They have an example of this right on their doorstep in Canada. But brainwashing works. It's amazing how well the US lobby has brainwashed people into thinking that any government regulation is evil. Instead you let poor people die because they can't afford treatment. It's such an anti-social system. Disgusting!

The funny thing is that the German Social Security System was meant to fight Socialists and it worked. After it's implementation the Socialists lost a lot of ground with the people. Turns out, if you can go to the Doctor when you need to, don't loose your home when you loose your job and have a guaranteed pension there was little more what most low-level and moderate Socialists want, making the hardcore Socialists that want to topple the state seem unreasonable. Kinda like the scene in 'Life of Brian' about "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

@@grayscribe1342 It didn't curb votes for the socialists. Their share of the vote increased steadily up to the outbreak of WWI.

@@gerdforster883 It wasn't the votes they feared. They feared violent uprisings and a possible revolution. Also, if I remember it right, they instituted a legal limit to one socialist party, not something people usually would just take. In those regards it worked.

OMG that is just disgusting. How can they even think that charging someone THAT MUCH is in anyway right! I don't mean to offend, but if you knew how bad it is over there in the US, then why on earth would you even move there in the first place? Aaaah

@@danielwhyatt3278 That is my thought also pretty silly move she made .

Would someone tell the us wives club that UK paramedics are very well qualified and that not everysoldier can be a general in her worlds eye view of society ,these people are bigots and will not reason it out despite

@@davidshattock9522 to be a paramedic (ambulance crew) in the UK is a 3 year degree course with a 4th year of on the job mentoring. Not sure how that compares to the US

The US system is overloaded layers of administration related to advertising, billing, insurance processing, share holders. Be interesting to calculate what % of the customer dollar actually gets spent on patient care.

Yeah but I feel like he's one of the people that go "I have cancer so I'm going to stab someone"

@@adammcfall5133 what? I have seen a few seasons of breaking bad, and dont see what u see... nor do i see it outside of breaking bad. What people go "oh i have cancer let me kill someone"? I never heard of that

It's not a joke. It is a truism. And while you consider that, consider how many people's lives were ruined by all that meth that Walt cooked up. How many users went to jail? How many marriages broke up? How many crimes were committed so addicts could get the cash to buy more meth?

@@thomasjamison2050 It was a drama, not a documentary....

@@tompiper9276 It was a drama based on things that happen in life. The things I cited are all social costs of meth and are widely documented in reality. Pretending it is just fantasy is a fool's idyll.

Absolutely. As you would know, whenever anyone, usually some twit in the media) dares suggest we should scrap Medicare, the overwhelming response is 'we are not America forget it'. Says it all really.

Anything "Socialism" adjacent is villainized. Social Welfare systems are villainized. Everything that isn't run by private companies can't be good. Conservative media brainwashes 46% of the country into believing that those private companies will somehow decide to care about people more than their profits. It's sad, ignorant and only getting worse.

As a New Zealander there are a lot of things I don't like about Australia 😋 but I know that when I visit, If I have an accident I can still go to a hospital and get treated. I'll probably get landed with a bill as a non-citizen but I know it won't be a ridiculous amount like the US, like I've never been concerned enough to bother to check before I go. There is no way that I would ever go to the US before trying to work out what I would do in the case of an accident!

Under Medicare I've had two MRIs, around seven CAT scans, I've had abdominal surgery, am awaiting neurosurgery to remove a brain cyst and am having my gallbladder removed before Christmas, I have fibromyalgia, FND and CPSTD and I'm being treated for all those conditions - I am very grateful for our healthcare system in Australia

@@aaronchang9317 in germany we buy a travelling health insurance when we travel abroad.we dont have to worry about any costs,no matter where we travel.we are even brought back home,if medical treatment is not possible there.

Us is all about me me me ,sometimes you have to help others, how can you bleat about my country my country when you are tellingfellow Americans you can just die, hipocritical just doesn't begin to describe ,why hate your fellow citizens that much call yourself patriots I don't think so,greed does not require this much discussion as that sums up point of your argument we all have in life emergency situations like having a stroke then finding you have cancer,try telling that person your self interested view because you just have

TO be really fair, it is not zero because you everyday pay it in your taxes. But indeed the amortized cost is MUCH smaller than in USA. Healthcare is one of the few things that makes total sense to spread the cost by all population (national defense is another )

Everyone pay we bit more tax we talking dam all same in NZ cost is nothing we bit more tax or pay huge Bill like USA

@@jimmunro4649 Not disputing that it is much easier that way. .. just that the word FREE is not really exact... the correct word is the cost is amortized.

@@tiagodagostini nobody in the UK has every needed to worry about the cost of the treatment due to being ill in hospital. Nobody has got into massive debt due to a NHS hospital bill. The amount we pay in tax and National Insurance is much less than Americans pay, if they buy medical insurance.

in my opinion, we should invite canada becoming part of the EU...

I’m from the UK and we pay slightly more taxes for healthcare, BUT we pay no private insurance. In 2019 the US government spent US$1.2 trillion on healthcare, with a population of 330 million, that is $3600 per citizen. In 2019 the UK government spent US$295 billion on healthcare, with a population of 67 million, that is $4400 per person. BUT the US also spends $2.6 trillion on private healthcare insurance, which is over $7800 per person. Making it a total of $11,400 per person in the US vs. $4400 in the UK. But even paying more in the US there are still nearly 30 million uninsured people in the US.

And the US only ranks the 18th country with the best healthcare, far behind both the UK and Canada.

Canada's healthcare system may not be perfect (what healthcare system is), but it is vastly superior to a for profit healthcare system.

@@luigipiuattivo3316 why do you hate Canada?

Its actually 2% in Australia.

From New Zealand. A friend who has cerebral palsy needed a ligament moved from her leg to her arm. That's pretty specialised work, so the Dr she got is the same one who operated on the All Blacks for whatever ludicrous amounts of money they pay him. But she got him free through the public system. I have absolutely no idea about how much of my tax goes to healthcare. Happy to pay more if we cover more things. Part of me does think we should stop being as nice to Australians who get sick until they reciprocate in kind, but a bigger part of me is happy to take the high road! 😛

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but she probably don't *personally* know them, so it's a other peoples problem, not hers.

@@noahluppe i am pretty sure she does, even though they themself might not have told it.

@@HafdirTasare fair.

"What about people who are afraid of the cost of, say an Ambulance." "Ok that happens all the time because we have so many americans that dont wanna go into debt".......her next answer..."If it's free, it's not worth having"........stupid is as stupid does.....

'Murika the best...

I mean, we always complain about waits (I'm Irish so we have the HSE and I live in England at the moment) but the waits for actual problems are nothing, a week tops to get cancer scans, 2-3 weeks for major heart surgery, etc and then you have waits for smaller things like physio and dental ops that aren't emergencies but for all our complaining, we never would want it to be the US way. If we want private healthcare, it's entirely accessible with money, just like the US but even my friends who pay private will go public for a lot of things.

Yeah, the only people who hate socialized medicine are Americans. Yet they've never had it. And it's so funny how they "don't want the government making health decisions for me", which the government doesn't do, standards of care are set by the medical community based on the latest evidence. Yet those same people are quite happy to have insurance companies make their health care decisions.

@@nhugh23 Thats a lie, the problem with nationalised systems is people are willing to lie on their behalf. I'd prefer a properly private way, which is not what the US is btw....

@@Durram258 What's a lie? Come on, elaborate. My father got a cat scan within 2 weeks of his cancer diagnosis JUST THIS MONTH. My MIL got hers within the same timeframe and she went Private pre-Covid. My uncle had his heart surgery done within a month of his being told he needed it, 21 days after he got his diagnosis. It's not lies. If you want me to list failings of the HSE, I most certainly can. - The saturation of middle management and pencil pushers in the offices taking up the vast majority of HSE funding. - The "Centres of Excellent" meaning that fewer hospitals are open to A&E and other vital services leading to long waits for non-Emergencies in A&E, especially in Limerick general. - The stupidly long waiting list for non-essential services such as Speech therapy for children, my son waiting 18 months. These failings do not negate the positives and the positives do not negate the failings. Cuba has a fully socialised healthcare system and it's one of the finest in the world. Other EU nations have socialised healthcare and do it better than us. It's our usual "Jobs for the lads" and "Tax to fund TD lifestyles" that make the socialised tax rates, American type services that we Irish are suffering. Ireland has a private healthcare option, use that if you want it because that's what private care would be. Where does private healthcare properly, because I don't know of a country that does as I would be very interested to read how it would be done right. I am not joking, I would love to know a privately done one done correctly.

@@nhugh23 But all the positives you talk about are easily achievable through a private system, except the result would be even better...did you seriously just say Cubas system is one of the best in the world? okay trolling much? No country has a proper free market system, because the governments of the world will not allow it, takes away too much of their power. Everything else that's dealt with privately runs better, more efficiently, with better quality and results and gets cheaper over time, fact. There's no reason this also wouldn't apply to healthcare. As i said, the reason its never properly allowed to be done, is because the governments of the world are always trying to expand the state so they can have more direct influence, make people more dependant on them etc, they dont want free citizens.

most of them do some of them just DONT WANNA know ... u see the lady learns and then goes like "whe nits free its not worth having" ... u cant help such people they are basicly brainwashed in america best rest trash thinking even if america dropped out of every top10 list of all good stuff to hvae long ago xD

It must be worse and we are the #1 is so deeply engraved in their brain that they do not draw any of this conclusions. Even when FOX News is saying the USA is the most expensive.

@@DaxRaider People are being fed with the usual "commie" scare. The USA had universal healthcare etc. FDR made it happen when he was pressured by the communist and socialist parties, along with the unions. Ofc most of the leading capitalists and rightwingers didn't want to pay for the development of the society. And they have managed to turn back the reforms of the 30's. They have simply bought their influence over the media and politics to feed people the narrative they want. No wonder people have strange ideas that even goes against their own well being and civil rights.

There is not one universal healthcare system with. Every country has its own version with more or less private institutions included in them. It wouldn't be surprising if all answers were correct for a specific country with uhc.

@@DaxRaider She is most definitely a prime example of a brainwashed fool, when she makes that statement you can see her brain whirring away through her eyes, not thinking about and considering what's been said but simply going back to a time someone told her exactly that.

Same experience here in Italy. 0$ costs.

This!! And on top of all that the insurance companies can just say that they're not going to pay for any treatment they don't think necessary. If you pay for healthcare in taxes it's the doctors taking care of you who decide what's necessary. In all the countries with socialised healthcare the emphasis is on prevention, because the cheapest option for the government is to keep people as healthy as possible.

Because middle class & upper class pay to much taxes in Australia. Gst , duties, excise taxes is theft

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She is one cancer diagnosis away from collecting soda cans in a shopping trolley, and she can't see it.

Well Americans must fight for themselves, police themselves, build thier own roads. That's just a republican reactionary attitude. America does have things setup for the welfare of its country, army, polic, roads just not Health care, because as a business were doing fine thankyou very much.

With a single word more it would sound to communistic, just like: national health initiative. But maybe they would like: national health defense

@@Zaubernudel ? Hello is there anyone in there? Chap chap neighbour. If you are seriously hung up on words making it too communistic, whilst holding the ten commandments. Explain yourself

It is interesting that the US seems to have no problem with a 'socialized' military, paid out of tax dollars, which is huge, immensely expensive and generally idle but cannot support a 'socialized' health care which would be used all the time, irrespective of the ability to pay, and based solely on need.

Re your last paragraph, and particularly the last sentence. Watch the movie "The Manchurian Candidate" with Frank Sinatra about Communist brain-washing techniques during the era of the Korean War. A popular expression nowadays is, "it was done on an industrial scale". The Communists applied these techniques to individuals whereas US Governments have applied this, very successfully, to a complete population!

well of course the upper class was against it. what a national health care system does is make EVERYONE EQUAL! you pay the same percentage of what you earn and you both get equal treatment, it doesn't matter if you are a garbage man or the CEO of a top 100 company. This my friend, is the true meaning of equality! It doesn`t matter if you are an immigrant, a citizen, a teacher, or an McD worker, we all get the same treatment!

@@vicu_negru that, and if everyone gets it at a flat rate, you can't profiteer. There's no huge upsell, no thousand-dollar ambulance rides, no huge mark-ups. Nobody getting rich off'f it, so nobody bribing politicians.

@@vicu_negru Grow up. People in decent jobs have PRIVATE healthcare. We dont use the NHS.

Good luck with fighting the cancer. Damn disease. Im lucky too, to not worry about the costs in Denmark

good luck to you! my mom had open heart surgery 3 years ago in Romania. again with expensive meds that she needs to take all the time, our only worry was finding the best doctor and getting an appointment with him, worrying about money was never on the table. because the total cost for 1 month in the hospital was 0!

The moment their constitution was set in stone, mental modernisation stopped. Me Me Me !

As someone who has had very few healthcare issues I have no problem with my taxes (although I don't live in the UK) being spent on people like you. You need that healthcare. What are we meant to do? Just let you suffer?!? I just don't understand that mindset. Even from a selfish point of view, that could be me tomorrow, or someone that I love and care about.

@@aaronchang9317 Thank you for your kind words, it's a pity not all people share your sentiments.

@@grahamwalker6395 It's not just kindness, it's recognition that any of us could be in a similar situation at any time. After 60 years' good health, my brother got cancer. 6 months of intensive chemo and hospital stays, scans etc. He's now in the clear thank NHS!!! Cost, of course, £0.

This is why its called socialised medicine Graham, I am lucky, I have not needed much treatment from our wonderful NHS but I absolutely have never minded paying National Insurance contributions all of my working life to support someone like yourself. Tomorrow maybe different, I may need it to save my life, and to not worry that it would bankrupt me to need medical assistance is a great comfort. In the USA it seems that socialism is a dirty word when it actually translates as, "Hey, let's help each other to have a better life"

Some people even move to europe for treatment.

It's stuff like this that makes me wonder how anyone could think that a privately owned, profit-driven insurance company is actually interested in providing its customers with the service they paid for. Insurance companies make money by denying claims, not authorizing them. I challenge anyone to name me a single, other industry outside of insurance where the business model is to deny service to as many paying customers as possible. It can't be done; insurance is a scam, and unless the profit motive is removed, it always will be.

@@DirtPoorWargamer The solution to it is really simple as well. Take a responsibility of determining a claim away from the insurance company and instead give it to a third party. Alternatively set up a simple court similar to many countrys small claims courts specifically for contesting denied insurance claims with no cost to use, even if you loose and very large fines to insurers who falsly deny claims.

Hope she wasn't it too much pain and difficulties on flight, that sounds quite scary to be that much in need of treatment.

@@jenniedarling3710 she was not too bad mainly headaches but she needed immediate tests and scans to rule out hidden consequences and they would have been horrendously expensive.

Actually I'm 71 and have gone though most of what you have. *Plus* I was born prematurely and not expected to last the first week of life! Over the decades of my varied career(s), I've paid a crapload of income tax and national insurance. These days I can relax, knowing that the NHS will keep me as healthy(!) as it can despite my _death wish_ lifestyle!

So, not only can they not afford their own health care, they must leech off another nation's system. Sad, really

Not living in Australia, neither have I been in such a situation, but I am happy to pay extra tax so that people who need it can benefit from it.

The best part of all, is that Australia has a similar GRP per cápita than USA, but the cost of the total healtcare expensiture per cápita, is a half. You don't pay more taxes, you save money at the same time you keep healthier.

For my Aussie warbride mom one night in cottage hospital Santa Barbara California (my hometown where I was born) in the cardiac care ward on observation cost $25,000. 2006. I said twenty five thousand dollars. She was there a few nights maybe even five nights. She had to be on charity medical which is embarrassing and takes away your dignity. When she died they took the cost out of the sale of her house. If any politicians in Australia want to do things the American way, you must complain loudly and often!!!!!!!! If you want 900,000 preventable Covid deaths, just copy us. The USA is not a country to envy or copy!!!!!!! PS the time she was in the hospital they just observed her. She read a book that calmed her down from yelling bloody murder at the nurses. The abandoned by Paul galico.

Mostly from National Insurance. Did you know that when you reach retirement age, even if you don’t retire, you no longer pay NI? But your employer continues to pay their bit.

My 36 year old son. Developed kidney failure due to a virus. After intensive care, home dialysis and two transplants he’s doing well and is back at work full time. He also has a new baby, born by Caesarean section. All this treatment , all the meds, all the dialysis equipment and the operations were free to him. In Britain we all pay into the NHS through taxes, but when health issues arise there’s no worry about costs and no debt afterwards. I give thanks every day.

@@alanaw27 I had a bike accident about 10 years ago, ambulance got me to the hospital, they checked me, X-rayed my jaw because i had an open wound there and then treated all my injuries. Few ours later I was out with 0€ in cost. My niece fell from great hight when she was very little. The rescue coordination center send an ambulance and an emergency rescue helicopter with an emergency doctor on bord. they took care of her at the scene, took her in with the ambulance, the doctor accompanying her. Today she is a happy and healthy little girl. The cost was 0€ My mum had to fight cancer over several years, full treadment, specialists, a team that would visit her at home to help her, lots and lots of expensive medication. Around 50€ a year for the medicine. Hello from Germany

Yeah, after their 2nd civil war it might be a good place to live there.

@@llothar68 yeah, in a thousand years, when the radiation has come down to safe levels.

@@llothar68 yeah, in a thousand years, when the radiation has come down to safe levels.

@@llothar68 Not if the Republicans, owning most of the guns, will win.

We are a Republic not a democracy.

they only cost money in England. prescriptions are completely free in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland for ALL medicines

You are right. To keep up with the annual 4.5 % increase in cost for medical staff , equipment and drugs the budget should have raised each year by this amount in the last decade. But it has only been raised by not even 1 and a half percent. This doesn't even covers inflation.

Some of the right wing rags have been trying their hardest to build support for privatisation. Also successive governments have tried to run it down in order to justify opening it up to predatory US corps.

@@tSp289 Very much this. The US companies will do whatever they can to grt their claws on it. People here in the UK grnerally don't realise what they'll be sleepwalking into if they aren't too careful. Already anti-NHS groups are stalking social media.

im pretty sure they must have asked a loaded question to get only 77% while you have some idiots who will not support anything, but are almost a 1/4 of the people against it I do not know a single person in real life who is against it i suspect its more like 90%+ for

@@darkzim3872 there’s always a ‘neutral’ category too. I suspect that’s most of the remainder. People who think it’s got too many problems, even if they support the idea of it.

same for me i am happy to live in Ontario Canada, yes we pay tax but we get back one way to another ,last spring a got cataract surgery in both eyes ,the bill was 0 i challenge the US to do better--

That is INCREDIBLY DISTURBING.

And I'm pretty sure she lied on the first question.

@@JacobBax In Europe ambulances are healthcare. Refusing an ambulance because of the costs is refusing healthcare because of the costs, so her first answer is a lie.

@@gobinajager7832 In Australia each State has its own ambulance system but you can subscribe to your States one for around $50 per annum for a single or $100 for a whole family. A friend of mine was glad he was insured when his child needed a helicopter ambulance trip due to an anaphylactic episode. It would have cost $15,000.

@@ianmontgomery7534 good, sounds like a voluntary state insurance for all health transport.

@@ianmontgomery7534 As a Norwegian - we see a lot of ambulance helicopter use, rescue sea helicopters, specialized sea rescue ships and even medical lear jets flying people home from abroad. Doesn't cost the patient a dime - if it would...I can't imagine the "bill" you could get (imagine a rescue boat with a crew of, maybe 5, including doctors, rescue divers, etc. being out for two days...)

oh my gosh! I hope you are doing ok! That fall sounds terrifying.

It's spelled "copay" but pronounced "extortion". We Yanks have funny ways of spelling things. 😉

I think "co-pay" is roughly equivalent to "excess" on our car or house insurance - it's not exactly the same but the overall concept that you (as the insurance purchaser) pay the first part of a valid covered claim seems similar. There's usually an overall annual limit on "co-payments" which is different from "excess payments", but otherwise both address that critical aspect of any profitable insurance market - i.e. making sure that the insurance company doesn't actually live up to its obligations and pay out money to cover your costs. Incidentally the term co-pay is very obviously a nice cosy invention by the marketing team, with its implication that you and the insurance company are co-operating and cosily working together to cover the cost - although you are paying it all.

Exactly. Not only do they save 67%, but every single person in the country is covered, they have complete coverage, and their outcomes are better. People are just so stupid.

Ditto

it boggles my mind. if you're paying higher taxes but you're getting "free" healthcare, how is that any worse than paying for healthcare and taxes?

@@Shard3432 Michael, unboggle your mind. It is Americans who call it “free health care”…it is Americans who call it “socialised medicine”. How can there be so many clueless people in one country? It is a national insurance policy…you pay premiums you can afford (the amount is progressive according to your income) but the benefits are strictly according to need. You don’t have to pay anything up front and then claim it back(what happens in some other civilised countries) and the benefits are unlimited. We reckon that we win either way: either we pay our national insurance contribution for 40 years but never get ill …..so THATS LUCKY…..or we develop p chronic illness in our 40s and get medical care for the rest of our lives(.Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, MS, cancer, chromic heart disease etc etc etc):And that’s lucky. I read somewhere that illness was the primary cause of mortgage default in the land of the free…..you easily end up broke, homeless and still sick.,

@@Shard3432 people in the UK pay 1/3 as much for healthcare as people in the US. They have complete coverage. They get better outcomes, and every single person in the country is covered. If you don't see how that is better than our system you are absolutely stupid.

Nor anywhere else, in the rest of Europe theres sevices similar to the NHS. Its unbelievable that Americans don´t see the benefits of having a socialised health service ...